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2014-04-25 09:33:31 AM  
Ugh, why...
 
2014-04-25 09:35:31 AM  
Two franchises well known for recoloring their products over and over joining up? This should be good.

And I say that as a fan and collector of both.
 
2014-04-25 09:49:00 AM  
So, Optimus Prime is Shinji's mom?
 
Skr
2014-04-25 09:57:20 AM  
I was going to say that Transformers was going to get all religiousy now, but it already jumped that gun a while ago.

Assholish dinobots were my favorite from T, and Ayanami Rei got me interesting in gals with short blue hair.
 
2014-04-25 10:11:34 AM  
Shinji yanking his pud over the unconcious body of Arcee?
 
2014-04-25 11:06:56 AM  
0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2014-04-25 11:12:28 AM  
But there was already an Evangelion - GI Joe - Transformers crossover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBl0-teqNlM
 
2014-04-25 11:34:48 AM  
Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.
 
2014-04-25 11:42:33 AM  

kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.


End of Evangelion I believe is what you are looking for.

The 3 movies that came out recently are a damn good retelling of the story.
 
2014-04-25 11:49:08 AM  

kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.


Sure.  The live action version directed by Guillermo del Toro was much easier to follow.

:-p
 
2014-04-25 12:05:27 PM  

kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.


They're 3/4 through the way of what may or may not be a more comprehensible version now. We'll find out within the next year or so if they manage it.
 
2014-04-25 12:06:27 PM  
Seeing that picture of Optimus in the article looking like the badass he should be, instead of Michael Bay's aborted fetus version of Optimus Prime, makes me long for a real Transformers movie sans douchebag director.
 
2014-04-25 12:07:17 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

They're 3/4 through the way of what may or may not be a more comprehensible version now. We'll find out within the next year or so if they manage it.


Looks like part 4 isn't due until 2015, which sucks.  I'm cautiously optimistic about how it will wrap things up.  The first two parts were a great retelling of the story and completely comprehensible.  Part 3 started going a little crazy.  I'm sure the final part will have plenty of the expected WTF that Eva is known for.
 
2014-04-25 01:05:27 PM  
If the Autobots don't all go full decepticon after watching kids mothers being killed to place their souls into giant robots to fight angels and decide "wow, the human race really is farked up" I'll be disappointed.
 
2014-04-25 01:44:21 PM  

kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364863/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Enjoy.  It's a beautiful story, with great music, really great art, and characters you don't want to beat with iron rods.  And it has a coherent ending.
 
2014-04-25 01:46:50 PM  
Let's finish movie #4 before moving on, shall we?
 
2014-04-25 01:53:34 PM  
I'm not seeing how the two story lines can even intertwine...
Yea there's pseudo religious overtones and robots and scientific voodoo in both. But an Eva would wreck a transformer, for five minutes anyway.

That's a long time getting your robotic Shiat pushed in.
 
2014-04-25 02:21:44 PM  
I get that EVA is kind of difficult to understand, but it's not  that bad.
The trick is to pay attention during the parts that aren't action sequences.

I know that might be difficult for some of you.
 
2014-04-25 02:25:37 PM  

Honest Bender: I get that EVA is kind of difficult to understand, but it's not  that bad.
The trick is to pay attention during the parts that aren't action sequences.

I know that might be difficult for some of you.


The last three or four episodes are a mess, no matter how you slice it.  The creator was literally going insane while he completed it, and it shows in the final product.  You can follow it, but that doesn't do much to fix the broken final composition.
 
2014-04-25 02:42:41 PM  
Neither Autobots nor Decepticons have AT-Fields.

What, exactly, would be their usefulness in such a conflagration?
 
2014-04-25 02:48:22 PM  

Aezetyr: The 3 movies that came out recently are a damn good retelling of the story.


Sort of.

The third movie turned me off completely. The time-jump, the un-aging of the characters, the yaoi nonsense -- it's just more of Anno farking with everybody. Again. I'm sick of his bullshiat. I will not watch the fourth one.


/Look, Shinji, I know you're going through a lot of heavy crap in your life, but: When everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, including your boyfriend Kaworu right beside you, is telling you not to pull the damn spears out... DON'T PULL THE GOD DAMN SPEARS OUT!

That's what I hated about this movie. Shinji was a bit thick-headed at times, but he was never this dumb.
 
2014-04-25 03:18:02 PM  

Ishkur: Neither Autobots nor Decepticons have AT-Fields.

What, exactly, would be their usefulness in such a conflagration?


Neither do any of the other mecha in Super Robot Wars.

But that doesn't stop Bright Noa from killing the Third Angel by ramming it with a battleship.
 
2014-04-25 03:33:42 PM  

Khellendros: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364863/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Enjoy.  It's a beautiful story, with great music, really great art, and characters you don't want to beat with iron rods.  And it has a coherent ending.


Ahh RahXephon.... Evangelion: Now with more EMO!

Aezetyr: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

End of Evangelion I believe is what you are looking for.

The 3 movies that came out recently are a damn good retelling of the story.


I'd be happy with Funimation finally releasing part 3 on Bluray/DVD here in the US.
 
2014-04-25 04:07:21 PM  

Geotpf: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

Sure.  The live action version directed by Guillermo del Toro was much easier to follow.

:-p


Really? That doesn't even make sense. Now, if the Bull gets his way and there is another Pacific Rim, with the Jaegers being partly or mostly biological like he has been talking about... yeah, the similarity would be hard to ignore.
 
2014-04-25 04:27:24 PM  

washington-babylon: Geotpf: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

Sure.  The live action version directed by Guillermo del Toro was much easier to follow.

:-p

Really? That doesn't even make sense. Now, if the Bull gets his way and there is another Pacific Rim, with the Jaegers being partly or mostly biological like he has been talking about... yeah, the similarity would be hard to ignore.


I think the joke there is that the Guillermo del Toro version never materialized... Therefore easier to understand.
 
2014-04-25 04:54:40 PM  

washington-babylon: Geotpf: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

Sure.  The live action version directed by Guillermo del Toro was much easier to follow.

:-p

Really? That doesn't even make sense. Now, if the Bull gets his way and there is another Pacific Rim, with the Jaegers being partly or mostly biological like he has been talking about... yeah, the similarity would be hard to ignore.


thatsthejoke.jpg
People blindly associate it with Eva or Gundam because they're the only mecha they know. If you wanted to call it a live action anything, it'd be a live action mix of Getter Robo and Mazinger Z with a little bit of Patlabor sprinkled on top.

/I yelled PILDER ON! when Gypsy Danger's head unit dropped down onto the body
//stand back, my neckbeard bites
///slashies come in 3's
 
2014-04-25 04:55:13 PM  

washington-babylon: Geotpf: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

Sure.  The live action version directed by Guillermo del Toro was much easier to follow.

:-p

Really? That doesn't even make sense. Now, if the Bull gets his way and there is another Pacific Rim, with the Jaegers being partly or mostly biological like he has been talking about... yeah, the similarity would be hard to ignore.


It's been at least a decade since I've seen Evangelion, but I know there was an episode (maybe number 13?) where Shinji and Asuka had to pilot one Evangelion together in sync, which is A. Very goofy and B. The exact same goofy plot point used in Pacific Rim.  That, and the general theme of giant robots versus giant monsters from nobody knows where, and there you go.
 
2014-04-25 05:17:33 PM  

MayoSlather: Seeing that picture of Optimus in the article looking like the badass he should be, instead of Michael Bay's aborted fetus version of Optimus Prime, makes me long for a real Transformers movie sans douchebag director.



We got 11 posts before some dickhead had to shoehorn his anti-Bay boner into the thread... pretty impressive.
 
2014-04-25 06:36:20 PM  

Khellendros: Honest Bender: I get that EVA is kind of difficult to understand, but it's not  that bad.
The trick is to pay attention during the parts that aren't action sequences.

I know that might be difficult for some of you.

The last three or four episodes are a mess, no matter how you slice it.  The creator was literally going insane while he completed it, and it shows in the final product.  You can follow it, but that doesn't do much to fix the broken final composition.


Gainax also ran out of money while they were completing the series and they had to scrap the original ending because it was too expensive to animate. They seem to do that a lot. GunBuster's last episode was in black-and-white FFS. I'm sort of expecting episode 4 of Rebuild of Evangelion to end 30 minutes in with a title card saying "please wait while we go through our couch cushions for some loose change to film another giant robot battle with."
 
2014-04-25 06:36:35 PM  
Just so long as it ends with Optimus Prime becoming God instead of Shinji, I have no problem with this. I mean, he's already massively qualified; he carries around a piece of Robot God in his chest.
 
2014-04-25 10:39:10 PM  
I'm going to be honest and "that guy:"
Evangelion is shiat.  It's always been shiat.  The only thing it has going for it that there's a few good character designs and cute chicks.  That's it.  The story is shiat.
 
2014-04-26 01:27:41 AM  
tgambitg:
Ahh RahXephon.... Evangelion: Now with more EMO!


You're kidding, right?  Shinji spends the entire series angsty, mopey, or indecisive.  Asuka is a raging biatch with mommy issues.  Misato barely hides her anger and daddy issues.  Could write a whole book about Gendo.  And they pretty much never get above that for more than a few minutes before going back to status quo.

At least in Rah they get some character development, even if they do slump back into the moping from time to time.

And that's really the difference between the two.  Eva is a story driven show with mecha.  You could pretty much replace most of the characters with random character archetypes and not much would change.  Rah is a character driven show that shoehorns the story in and occasionally adds a short mecha fight as an afterthought (even if it did end more comprehensible than Eva did).  If you replaced the characters the show would probably end up like crap.

Guess it is all in what you want.  Want mecha fights and some mindscrews?  Eva is for you (though that doesn't make the ending - even with the EoE - any better).  Want a nice character driven story that makes you care about who is in it?  Rah is the one you should be watching.  Though if you looked at story outlines, they do seem to be pretty much the same show plot device for plot device.
 
2014-04-26 05:33:56 AM  

Khellendros: kroonermanblack: Did anyone ever do a version of Eva that was less garbled, AND had an actual ending? I still remember watching it and the credits roll, and I go '...what was that?' And I typically am fine with obtuse shiat. It simply, literally here, didn't parse for me.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364863/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Enjoy.  It's a beautiful story, with great music, really great art, and characters you don't want to beat with iron rods.  And it has a coherent ending.


I thought wanting to murder Shinji the entire time was part of the...fun of NGE.
 
2014-04-26 12:14:32 PM  

Uncle Pooky: MayoSlather: Seeing that picture of Optimus in the article looking like the badass he should be, instead of Michael Bay's aborted fetus version of Optimus Prime, makes me long for a real Transformers movie sans douchebag director.


We got 11 posts before some dickhead had to shoehorn his anti-Bay boner into the thread... pretty impressive.


So you have horrible taste in movies, and were so offended that I attacked a terrible director that you had to call me a dickhead. I see I touched a nerve.
 
2014-04-26 05:06:34 PM  

Honest Bender: I get that EVA is kind of difficult to understand, but it's not  that bad.
The trick is to pay attention during the parts that aren't action sequences.

I know that might be difficult for some of you.


Don't act superior because you like friggin' Evangelion, brah. Some of us even read books.

And no, even if you listen to the dialogue you don't actually understand it. I spent years of my life trying to understand Evangelion and the best I could come up with is "this is a metaphor for how much Japanese people, Hideaki Anno in particular, secretly hate their jobs."

You need secondary, tertiary and wiki material to even stand a chance or grasping the plot. For example, did you know just by watching that the Angels and the Lilim (us) are actually competing species both accidentally "seeded" to the same planet by an alien progenitor race?

Look it up.


Uncle Pooky: MayoSlather: Seeing that picture of Optimus in the article looking like the badass he should be, instead of Michael Bay's aborted fetus version of Optimus Prime, makes me long for a real Transformers movie sans douchebag director.

We got 11 posts before some dickhead had to shoehorn his anti-Bay boner into the thread... pretty impressive.


No, those movies really are shiat. They're knuckle-dragging, rah-rah-war-crimes, don't even think about thinking about them once they've over shiat. They're pretty and flashy and Optimus Prime is a pretty horrible being, but since there's humans around and he's mainly only horrible to other robots it's mainly overlooked. ...except for the part where he lets Earth get conquered and Chicago get destroyed so humanity would realize they "needed" him. HEROISM!
 
2014-04-26 05:24:09 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: Don't act superior because you like friggin' Evangelion, brah. Some of us even read books.


I read 2-3 books a week, bro.

And no, even if you listen to the dialogue you don't actually understand it.

Speak for yourself.

For example, did you know just by watching that the Angels and the Lilim (us) are actually competing species both accidentally "seeded" to the same planet by an alien progenitor race?

Duh.  What did you  think was going on?  Fruit of the tree of knowledge and fruit of the tree of life.
 
2014-04-26 06:11:05 PM  

Anonymous Bosch: For example, did you know just by watching that the Angels and the Lilim (us) are actually competing species both accidentally "seeded" to the same planet by an alien progenitor race?


I remember reading a manga or Bible or something of Eva, really helped explain things. The actual plot is: Billions of years ago an alien race was really into world-building, and they came up with two concepts for life: Many separate organisms, or one gigantic organism. They put the two concepts into separate eggs, a Black Egg (one organism) and a White Egg (many organisms), and seeded many worlds. There's only supposed to be one egg per world.

For some reason, Earth was accidentally implanted with both eggs. The White Egg landed in Japan (of course) and opened, seeding the planet with the diversity of life we see today (NERV is headquartered in the White Egg, which exists as a Geofront far beneath the surface). The Black Egg landed in Antarctica and laid dormant for billions of years.

The Katsuragi expedition found the Black Egg and opened it, which was probably a bad idea. The Angels represent different manifestations of the Black Egg's life concept -- different courses/possibilities that evolution can take for one organism -- and as per their programming, are attempting to unite all organisms into one which is why they keep attacking NERV. They are trying to get to the White Egg.

Most humans are trying to stop them while a specific few (namely, Gendo Ikari and Keel Lorenz though not all of SEELE) want the Angels to succeed but for different reasons. Gendo thinks it will re-unite him with his beloved wife while Keel simply wants to die (he is apparently the 'wandering jew' -- the immortal cursed with wandering the world forever, who is sick of life and believes the Angels can give him the peace and solace he's been craving for millenia).

NONE OF THIS IS IN THE GOD DAMN SHOW!! We are left guessing as to what's going on and yes, it almost requires reading fan fiction to explain some of the more convoluted motivations of the characters.

But at the same time, none of this backstory even matters. EVA was never just about mecha fighting aliens. There is a deep subtext to it, that it also reveals the insecurities, the angst, the existentialism and the despair that Japanese civilization won't admit to itself. It's not just a commentary on the anime industry, it's also about the post-war generation and the culture of achievement that it built up and feels simultaneously proud and ashamed of, because it can't understand why it does this anymore. Or even anything at all.

Anno is apparently a happier person and in a much better place now. And the redux movies are supposed to clean things up. But the characters are still as batshiat insane as ever.
 
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