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(Rolling Stone)   George R. R. Martin: The Rolling Stone interview. In which he talks about his New Jersey childhood, his conscientious-objector status during Vietnam, and what's the deal with Jaime and Cersei anyway   (rollingstone.com) divider line 151
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2014-04-25 08:49:26 AM  
George reminds me of Fox in the run up to the 2012 election trying to come up with increasingly narrow and unlikely paths for Romney to take the necessary electoral votes while refusing to acknowledge that the point of no return had already been crossed.

The show runners are shooting for seven seasons, maybe eight on the outside. That gives George three, maybe four years. Considering his pace of late, that's not even enough time to write one book, let alone finish the one he's on before starting the next.

Even if he trims it down and returns to a pace that is closer to his original publishing schedule, he has to publish TWoW in 2015 or there is literally 0 chance that he'll beat the show to the punch, and even that assumes the show takes that extra season (on top of the already mentioned doubling in his writing pace).

Really, it's just not going to happen.
 
2014-04-25 09:43:33 AM  
I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.
 
2014-04-25 09:44:53 AM  
I for one look forward to HBO, and god willing an editor or two, finishing this story in a coherent way.

Or at least starting to bring all the disparate threads together.
 
2014-04-25 10:00:30 AM  
Ok here's an ending.

Daenerys hops on Drogon and pushes him up to 88 mph, accidentally initiating the flux capacitor.  She travels back in time to her father's adolescence and Aerys, being a Targaryen, immediately wants to bone his daughter. (You're welcome George).   Dany successfully dodges his many advances while at the same time she builds a close friendship with him that helps build his self confidence.  Thanks to this new strength, Aerys beats up his bully, Tywin Lannister, at the Enchantment Under The Sea Tourney at Pike.  Standing his ground for the first time in his life.  Dany returns home on Drogon to find herself a princess in Westeros and she gets to get slammed by her brother Rhaegar every night (George, there's the icing for you).  All seems well until Viserys warps in on his time dragon warning her of a problem with her kids... To Be Continued...
 
2014-04-25 10:08:28 AM  

SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.


It isn't just about dying......How many good/great writers stayed good into their 70's?  Very few.   They lose that quality and just become another doddering old person that can't remember where they put their keys and go to the grocery store in a bathrobe.  I want him to finish the gawd damned stories before that happens.  D&D have talent for taking a story and putting it on screen, but we have no evidence that they can generate material on their own and I would rather not trust them to it.
 
2014-04-25 10:11:38 AM  
He seems like quite an interesting guy.

I've always wondered about people who claim the books are amoral or nihilistic - what would people like that think of something like The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, or The Black Company or literally anything Joe Abercrombie has ever written?

Bad things happen to good people in ASOIAF, but it's always clear that that we the reader aren't supposed to be happy about that. His heroes aren't going around raping and pillaging and having the story treat it like that's OK. It's really clear that he views war as a goddamn horrific thing that shouldn't be glorified or portrayed as honorable.
 
2014-04-25 10:16:30 AM  

SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.


I don't think there is any need for GRRM to write any more.  The showrunners are doing a good job of tightening up his plot lines, which only become more meandering with each book.  Having them finish off the series could very well be the ideal way to conclude this.

/as long as they can restrain themselves from writing more than just Podrick dick-jokes.
 
2014-04-25 10:17:42 AM  

SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.


I see it a different way.  It's less about 'can he finish it' and more about 'does he have any motivation to?'  GRRM is a celebrity now, and all evidence points to him loving it.  The instant his show and books are done, that celebrity ends, at least at its current intensity.  So he wants to enjoy it as much as possible while it lasts (all the interviews/appearances/etc he's done over the last three years).  And he wants to stretch it out as much as possible.  He'll finish the story only when he absolutely has to.  Or he'll hand over the story skeleton and have someone ghost write it to get it out roughly in the time that the last season airs.
 
2014-04-25 10:21:23 AM  

randomscribbles: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

I see it a different way.  It's less about 'can he finish it' and more about 'does he have any motivation to?'  GRRM is a celebrity now, and all evidence points to him loving it.  The instant his show and books are done, that celebrity ends, at least at its current intensity.  So he wants to enjoy it as much as possible while it lasts (all the interviews/appearances/etc he's done over the last three years).  And he wants to stretch it out as much as possible.  He'll finish the story only when he absolutely has to.  Or he'll hand over the story skeleton and have someone ghost write it to get it out roughly in the time that the last season airs.


Maybe he finished this whole series years ago and is merely sitting on it for the moment to get people riled up? No, that would be too awesome.
 
2014-04-25 10:22:58 AM  
All I know is Fatty needs to stop yapping and start writing.   Those books just don't assemble themselves you know.
 
2014-04-25 10:25:01 AM  

AttawaYawattA: Ok here's an ending.

Daenerys hops on Drogon and pushes him up to 88 mph, accidentally initiating the flux capacitor.  She travels back in time [...]


I think you got some Pern in your GoT/BTTF mashup.
 
2014-04-25 10:25:28 AM  

Detinwolf: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

I don't think there is any need for GRRM to write any more.  The showrunners are doing a good job of tightening up his plot lines, which only become more meandering with each book.  Having them finish off the series could very well be the ideal way to conclude this.

/as long as they can restrain themselves from writing more than just Podrick dick-jokes.


I imagine there's someone at HBO who's ready to give him a nice pat on the back while manuevering him towards the door saying, "We got it from here, Georgie. Go home and play with your trains, or whatever you do."
 
2014-04-25 10:30:30 AM  

Detinwolf: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

I don't think there is any need for GRRM to write any more.  The showrunners are doing a good job of tightening up his plot lines, which only become more meandering with each book.  Having them finish off the series could very well be the ideal way to conclude this.

/as long as they can restrain themselves from writing more than just Podrick dick-jokes.


Um, I prefer the books to the show.  The first season they stuck pretty good to the stories, but they have started to get out of hand with their liberties.  Arya story is shiate right now compared to her story in the book, and so is Brans really.  They have tightened up Dany's story, but left a lot of good stuff out too.  I'd rather have him finish writing.
 
2014-04-25 10:35:19 AM  
Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work
 
2014-04-25 10:37:57 AM  

SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.


Forget HIS age. In 4 more seasons, the actor who plays Bran will be 20, the actress who plays Arya will be 21, and any credibility of the show maintaining a story of 'kids' will be utterly laughable. The show has no choice but to wrap soonish (3-5 seasons). He can dither on plot niceties into his 90s, if he lives that long.
 
2014-04-25 10:50:36 AM  

NicktheSmoker: Um, I prefer the books to the show.  The first season they stuck pretty good to the stories, but they have started to get out of hand with their liberties.  Arya story is shiate right now compared to her story in the book, and so is Brans really.  They have tightened up Dany's story, but left a lot of good stuff out too.  I'd rather have him finish writing.


I'm waiting for my wife to catch up on the show. I've read the books but not her, so I've only seen season 1. How are Arya and Bran different in the show? I found both of their stories very slow and Brans positively boring after the Winterfell disaster.

Not being snarky, I'd really like to know.
 
2014-04-25 10:53:11 AM  
It's fairly clear that Jamie as a character is intended to show the ugly, non-functional, hypocritical side of the traditions and beliefs that the establishment holds and builds its structures around.  His character shows the flaws in the establishments of: knighthood, honor vs. duty, birth-order-succession, succession by family rather than by capability, duty of lords to their lands/people, martial skill vs. political power, and several other core structures and beliefs held by the society that he throws back at it showing how it just doesn't work, doesn't make sense, and isn't worth holding on to.

The "relationship" with Cersei is more of the same.  The traditional societal belief that brother/sister schtupping is icky and wrong under religion, morals, and law is pretty firmly held.  But the Targaerians did that publicly and proudly for generations and where was the condemnation of that?  If you can't explain how one is OK but not the other, then you have to accept that your beliefs are either built on lies, or temper your condemnation of Jamie/Cersei.  Or just say "might makes right" in which case you've laid bare the truth of the matter - that all of these cultural/religious norms and laws and traditions are fake and only the sword matters.
 
2014-04-25 10:54:40 AM  
The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?
 
2014-04-25 10:57:33 AM  

Gunther: He seems like quite an interesting guy.

I've always wondered about people who claim the books are amoral or nihilistic - what would people like that think of something like The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, or The Black Company or literally anything Joe Abercrombie has ever written?

Bad things happen to good people in ASOIAF, but it's always clear that that we the reader aren't supposed to be happy about that. His heroes aren't going around raping and pillaging and having the story treat it like that's OK. It's really clear that he views war as a goddamn horrific thing that shouldn't be glorified or portrayed as honorable.


Yeah, I started the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant and couldn't even finish the first book.
 
2014-04-25 10:57:50 AM  

whistleridge: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

Forget HIS age. In 4 more seasons, the actor who plays Bran will be 20, the actress who plays Arya will be 21, and any credibility of the show maintaining a story of 'kids' will be utterly laughable. The show has no choice but to wrap soonish (3-5 seasons). He can dither on plot niceties into his 90s, if he lives that long.


You do realize that Daenerys is 13 in the books? One does not have to remain a child forever...also you can trade in for the newer model like they do in the E-Trade baby commercials every couple of months or whatever it is...
 
2014-04-25 10:58:58 AM  

NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work


Ew, no. I enjoy Sanderson's books a great deal, but this is the exact opposite of the type of story that he is good at writing.
 
2014-04-25 11:00:15 AM  

NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work


I like the idea, but I'd rather Sanderson concentrate on his own work and finish the Stormlight Archive rather than clean up George's mess.
 
2014-04-25 11:09:50 AM  
STFU AND FINISH THE BOOKS!
 
2014-04-25 11:10:29 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?


The world could use more draft-dodgers. Looking back, Vietnam was not a just war, and really wasn't worth fighting at all.

In other words, if there were more people who refused to fight, maybe the government would have rethought their decision to go to war in Vietnam.
 
2014-04-25 11:13:44 AM  

NicktheSmoker: Detinwolf: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

I don't think there is any need for GRRM to write any more.  The showrunners are doing a good job of tightening up his plot lines, which only become more meandering with each book.  Having them finish off the series could very well be the ideal way to conclude this.

/as long as they can restrain themselves from writing more than just Podrick dick-jokes.

Um, I prefer the books to the show.  The first season they stuck pretty good to the stories, but they have started to get out of hand with their liberties.  Arya story is shiate right now compared to her story in the book, and so is Brans really.  They have tightened up Dany's story, but left a lot of good stuff out too.  I'd rather have him finish writing.


I have to agree that they mishandled Arya's story.  She was far more badass at this point in the books, with a lot more context given for her training.

I might just be jaded from the Brienne World Tour in book 4.
 
2014-04-25 11:14:51 AM  
i feel like an algorithm could finish these stories.
 
2014-04-25 11:16:49 AM  

Delta1212: George reminds me of Fox in the run up to the 2012 election trying to come up with increasingly narrow and unlikely paths for Romney to take the necessary electoral votes while refusing to acknowledge that the point of no return had already been crossed.

The show runners are shooting for seven seasons, maybe eight on the outside. That gives George three, maybe four years. Considering his pace of late, that's not even enough time to write one book, let alone finish the one he's on before starting the next.

Even if he trims it down and returns to a pace that is closer to his original publishing schedule, he has to publish TWoW in 2015 or there is literally 0 chance that he'll beat the show to the punch, and even that assumes the show takes that extra season (on top of the already mentioned doubling in his writing pace).

Really, it's just not going to happen.


The books have now become secondary to the tv series. It won't be the end of the world if the TV series ends the story first - and by all accounts he's fully briefed the show on the broad strokes of the story.
 
2014-04-25 11:27:00 AM  
Just get used to the possibility that the books won't be finished.  That way, if they do turn up, it's an unexpected gift.

My latest dumbass theory is that GRRM is going to let the TV series finish, then provide an ending in the books that differs in some significant detail.  That seems like it would please his subversive nature.
 
2014-04-25 11:30:37 AM  

Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?

The world could use more draft-dodgers. Looking back, Vietnam was not a just war, and really wasn't worth fighting at all.

In other words, if there were more people who refused to fight, maybe the government would have rethought their decision to go to war in Vietnam.


Only if you think of it as a war against the Vietnamese.
 
2014-04-25 11:34:42 AM  
George RR Martin, stop giving interviews and get back to writing!

George R. R. Martin, please write, and write faster
You're not going to get any younger, you know
Winter is coming, I'm growing impatient
And you've still got two more damn books left to go
So write, George, write like the wind!
I curse the day that my friend ever loaned me
An old dog-eared paperback called Game of Thrones
How could I know that this seed would grow into
An addiction that held me, right down to my bones
Now, five books later, I lurk with the masses
Indignant, entitled, and waiting for word
That the great Bearded Glacier has finally published
Nine hundred more pages of crack for the nerds
Why does every new verse of your song
Keep taking you so goddamn long?
George R. R. Martin, please write, and write faster
please give us boiled leather, and sigils and steel
We need our allotment of incest and intrigue
And six page descriptions of every last meal
So write, George, write like the wind!
Lewis took five years to chronicle Narnia
Tolkien had twelve years, and Rowling took ten
Lucas spent nearly three decades on Star Wars
And we all know how that one turned out in the end
You're not our biatch, and you're not a machine
And we don't mean to dictate how you spend your days
But please, bear in mind, in the time that you've had,
William Shakespeare churned out thirty-five friggin' plays
And if you keep writing so slow
You'll hold up the HBO show
George R. R. Martin, please write, and write faster
'cause we won't stop whining until we're appeased
Crap out the chapters-and George, while you're at it
Stop killing our favorite characters, please
And write, George, write...like the wind!
(George R.R. Martin, please write, and write faster
Before you are dead, George, please write like the wind)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7lp3RhzfgI
 
2014-04-25 11:35:25 AM  
Weiner. Party.
 
2014-04-25 11:41:31 AM  

Pumpernickel bread: D&D have talent for taking a story and putting it on screen, but we have no evidence that they can generate material on their own and I would rather not trust them to it.


I don't think so. Game of Thrones is a trainwreck of a show. If I didn't already like the characters from the books, I doubt I'd watch it, and after last week's ep I'm not even sure I'll do that anymore. It is ham-handed, telegraphed, and entirely lacking in surprise or subtlety. What's worse they've taken some of the more interesting and murky characters -like Varys, Shay, and Littlefinger- and made them completely conventional archetypes; either heart-of-gold heroes or mustache-twirling villains. The show runners are dumb -you often get the sense they don't even understand what the story they're telling is about- lazy, and they don't particularly seems to like women very much which is a shame since 3/4th of the story's main characters are women. There was some interesting cinematography in the first few seasons and the casting is pretty good, but in my opinion D&D have botched the hell out of A Song of Ice and Fire with depressing regularity.
 
2014-04-25 11:42:04 AM  
I enjoy the books, and I enjoy the show.  The show has done a great job of simplifying story lines and streamlining characters.  The books are great for seeing the characters' thoughts and elaborating on plot points.  I don't see why I should have to prefer one to the other.  I completely believe that the tv show will finish up before the books, but I don't see that as a detriment.  It won't stop people from buying the books to see what happens.  But I don't see the show waiting on Martin to finish up the books first...too many people are contracted for now, and renegotiating so many contracts is difficult at best and impossible at worst.  HBO isn't going to wait on him.
 
2014-04-25 11:42:08 AM  
I love that the sicophants are starting to turn on him and realize that they're reading the literary version of 'Lost'.  Sure it is an interesting setting and premise to start off with, but in the end, with no coherent storyline to hold it all together, it just winds up a plodding turd.
 
2014-04-25 11:43:54 AM  

AttawaYawattA: Ok here's an ending.

Daenerys hops on Drogon and pushes him up to 88 mph, accidentally initiating the flux capacitor.  She travels back in time to her father's adolescence and Aerys, being a Targaryen, immediately wants to bone his daughter. (You're welcome George).   Dany successfully dodges his many advances while at the same time she builds a close friendship with him that helps build his self confidence.  Thanks to this new strength, Aerys beats up his bully, Tywin Lannister, at the Enchantment Under The Sea Tourney at Pike.  Standing his ground for the first time in his life.  Dany returns home on Drogon to find herself a princess in Westeros and she gets to get slammed by her brother Rhaegar every night (George, there's the icing for you).  All seems well until Viserys warps in on his time dragon warning her of a problem with her kids... To Be Continued...


Unless Rhaegar is reincarnated, he'll be "slamming" her as an ash dildo. He was cremated.

whistleridge: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

Forget HIS age. In 4 more seasons, the actor who plays Bran will be 20, the actress who plays Arya will be 21, and any credibility of the show maintaining a story of 'kids' will be utterly laughable. The show has no choice but to wrap soonish (3-5 seasons). He can dither on plot niceties into his 90s, if he lives that long.


They aged them 5 years for the show.
 
2014-04-25 11:44:25 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: randomscribbles: SmackLT: I know that a lot of people are worried that his general health and age make them scared he'll die before he ever finishes the series. A lot of people biatch about it, but in the interest of being proactive, maybe we could pitch in to buy him a treadmill or something. Hire him a nutritionist, maybe.

I see it a different way.  It's less about 'can he finish it' and more about 'does he have any motivation to?'  GRRM is a celebrity now, and all evidence points to him loving it.  The instant his show and books are done, that celebrity ends, at least at its current intensity.  So he wants to enjoy it as much as possible while it lasts (all the interviews/appearances/etc he's done over the last three years).  And he wants to stretch it out as much as possible.  He'll finish the story only when he absolutely has to.  Or he'll hand over the story skeleton and have someone ghost write it to get it out roughly in the time that the last season airs.

Maybe he finished this whole series years ago and is merely sitting on it for the moment to get people riled up? No, that would be too awesome.


I sincerely hope this is what he's doing. I envision him sitting in his house surrounded by completed manuscripts, reading through hate-threads and giggling like the world's fattest, most assholerish gremlin :)
 
2014-04-25 11:47:11 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?


Hey guys! What are you talking about?

inothernewz.com

rightweb.irc-online.org

eaglerising.com

latimesblogs.latimes.com

mittromneymormon.net
 
2014-04-25 11:48:19 AM  
This just in - incredibly lucrative HBO licensing aside GRRM has sold over 24 million copies of this series of books in north america alone. So you'll have to forgive him if he can't hear you over the sound of how much money he has. He'll get to the other books or he won't.
 
2014-04-25 11:48:39 AM  

NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work


I'm a fan of both authors but they really have nothing in common other than both working in fantasy. Sanderson's actually said at panels that he hasn't read the series despite loving GRRM's prose because it's too dark for him.
 
2014-04-25 11:51:03 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?


Because conscientious objection isn't "Draft dodging" and tended to be punished with either prison time or dangerous professions.  Draft dodging is what pro-war people do.
 
2014-04-25 11:55:03 AM  
One more thought:

It would actually be really awesome to reach a point in the show where I don't know what happens next...not that I haven't immensely enjoyed the show with foreknowledge- it would just be pretty neat to not know what'sgoing to happen every week.
 
2014-04-25 11:55:57 AM  
There is even the chance that the HBO series might arrive at key plot points before the books do, and though Martin once dismissed that possibility, he's now mindful of it. "I better get these books done," he tells me, on a drive through the streets of Santa Fe.

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH.
 
2014-04-25 11:58:11 AM  
who ?
 
2014-04-25 11:59:59 AM  

Moopy Mac: InterruptingQuirk: The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?

Hey guys! What are you talking about?

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You won't find me defending any of those politisuits either, for any reason.

And comparing one person's failings to another person's failings doesn't justify either person's failings.
 
2014-04-25 12:05:02 PM  

Gunther: NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work

I'm a fan of both authors but they really have nothing in common other than both working in fantasy. Sanderson's actually said at panels that he hasn't read the series despite loving GRRM's prose because it's too dark for him.


After all he did to Vin? Caladan?
 
2014-04-25 12:09:33 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Gunther: NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work

I'm a fan of both authors but they really have nothing in common other than both working in fantasy. Sanderson's actually said at panels that he hasn't read the series despite loving GRRM's prose because it's too dark for him.

After all he did to Vin? Caladan?


Who the hell are Vin and Caladan?`
 
2014-04-25 12:10:16 PM  

redmid17: Tricky Chicken: Gunther: NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work

I'm a fan of both authors but they really have nothing in common other than both working in fantasy. Sanderson's actually said at panels that he hasn't read the series despite loving GRRM's prose because it's too dark for him.

After all he did to Vin? Caladan?

Who the hell are Vin and is Caladan?`


FTFM
 
2014-04-25 12:11:03 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: The guy who is making big bucks telling stories of war is a draft dodger?


Considering that all the so-called "draft dodgers" were pardoned by presidents Ford and Carter, I'm going to have to say NO.  No, he isn't a draft dodger.

Also, a conscientious objector isn't a draft dodger in any sense.

Do you really need these things explained to you?  I ask because most people tend to learn these things in the 7th or 8th grade, and they're really not difficult concepts to understand.
 
2014-04-25 12:12:38 PM  

redmid17: redmid17: Tricky Chicken: Gunther: NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work

I'm a fan of both authors but they really have nothing in common other than both working in fantasy. Sanderson's actually said at panels that he hasn't read the series despite loving GRRM's prose because it's too dark for him.

After all he did to Vin? Caladan?

Who the hell are Vin and is Caladan?`

FTFM


A slave character in 'The Way of Kings'. Sanderson gave him a rough life and kept killing everybody he cared about in brutal ways. I thought that was a bit dark.  Not GRM dark, but still dark.
 
2014-04-25 12:14:28 PM  

Tricky Chicken: redmid17: redmid17: Tricky Chicken: Gunther: NOLAhd: Smother him with a pillow and give Sanderson some work

I'm a fan of both authors but they really have nothing in common other than both working in fantasy. Sanderson's actually said at panels that he hasn't read the series despite loving GRRM's prose because it's too dark for him.

After all he did to Vin? Caladan?

Who the hell are Vin and is Caladan?`

FTFM

A slave character in 'The Way of Kings'. Sanderson gave him a rough life and kept killing everybody he cared about in brutal ways. I thought that was a bit dark.  Not GRM dark, but still dark.


No Caladan is not a character in Way of Kings or the Word of Radiance.
 
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