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(Public Radio International)   Can a white comic ventriloquist with a black man puppet make jokes about race on a TV show? Let's find out   (pri.org) divider line 70
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2014-04-25 07:54:08 AM  

maram500: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

Agreed--sort of. Why do people have a problem with him? He is actually pretty funny.


i've had the misfortune of seeing some of his performances on television and he is one of the worst "comedians" i've ever seen.  he's just awful.  i'd rather watch dane cook or larry the cable guy.  the "achmed" puppet has one joke, "look, it's a dead terrorist who says he'll kill you!"  that's the entire act and he milks it for like half an hour.  but i know people with otherwise good taste in stand-up who think dunham is hilarious and for the life of me i can't understand why.
 
2014-04-25 07:56:24 AM  

It's Me Bender: kling_klang_bed: "You know how you can solve all of South Africa's problems? Kill all the white people" -George Carlin

Wait, seriously?  All South Africa's problems? We're talking about people who never managed to invent writing, or the wheel, or not eating each other.  They just might have some problems that can't be blamed on whitey.


This just in: societies found in year-round warmth and sunshine surrounded by nature's bounty decided not to lock themselves inside all day scrawling at tablets like saddos. Also, cannibalism wasn't a thing in southern Africa. Maybe you're thinking of the Azande from central Africa who filed their teeth and were accused of cannibalism by other tribes, but for which we have no concrete evidence. Maybe you mean Europeans who for a time would grind up Egyptian mummies and ingest it, later replacing the mummies with fresh-killed slaves?
 
2014-04-25 08:00:51 AM  

maram500: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

Agreed--sort of. Why do people have a problem with him? He is actually pretty funny.


He had a funny skit, once.  Then he kept babbling away forever about nothing.
 
2014-04-25 08:02:03 AM  

maram500: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

Agreed--sort of. Why do people have a problem with him? He is actually pretty funny.


I enjoyed him when I was younger (I vaguely remember a routine with a duck that he was using on the late-night stand-up shows before he broke it big).  The jokes have always been a bit stale or straight-forward, but vaudeville was never about cutting-edge material.  When he played my local theater, he had to break out Bubba J as an encore.  The audience made his job easy; they knew the lines by heart.

A few years ago,  caught his most recent(?) TV special, the first one after the divorce.  His routine wasn't really funny anymore, he got bitter and angry and it bled through everything he did.  He'd become a real-life Walter.

/the interactions between Peanut and Jose are still funny
 
2014-04-25 08:08:07 AM  

Nix Nightbird: Danger Avoid Death: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

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Jeff and Sweet Daddy Dee? The weakest part of his act.

His whole act is weak. It's just Jeff making racist, bigoted, unpopular comments and "jokes" come from the mouth of a racist, stereotyping puppet, and then acting surprised and shocked at what the "puppet" said.

I loathe Jeff Dunham. He's a racist, unfunny piece of shiat who plays to the lowest common denominator. He's not even a very good ventriloquist. His lips move like crazy.


Show us on the dummy where the mean ventriloquist touched you.
 
2014-04-25 08:12:30 AM  

ciderczar: This just in: societies found in year-round warmth and sunshine surrounded by nature's bounty decided not to lock themselves inside all day scrawling at tablets like saddos.



Really? Egypt and Mesopotamia aren't warm and sunny?
It's the cultures that have abundant food and some free time that do invent invent writing.
 
2014-04-25 08:52:47 AM  

maram500: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

Agreed--sort of. Why do people have a problem with him? He is actually insanely hilarious! pretty funny.


ftfy
seriously
big fan!

and i have heard from a fellow airforce reservist a first hand account of dunham being a super nice guy in person...this guy was also a long-time policeman, sgt in his dept in a somewhat-small-town in arkansas...dunham was in town performing for a benefit, and the police chief put my buddy in charge of driving dunham around town, etc. dunham even ate dinner at the guy's house. guy said jeff was just as cool as could be.

i didn't know until i watched his bio channel piece that jeff is a longtime helicopter enthusiast (buys a kit, builds it, flies it, sells it, gets the next model), and even survived a crash before he was bigtime famous
 
2014-04-25 09:21:18 AM  
Or you can just make black jokes with a white puppet.
t.fod4.com

"Guilty!"
"Have you ever seen a black womans vagaina? It looks like a wallet. I keep expecting cash and credit cars to come falling out"

/'The pope wrote c*nt!'
//RIP
 
2014-04-25 10:09:56 AM  
Of course it's racist.  It's a white guy.
 
2014-04-25 10:52:30 AM  
Molefe said Koch's act certainly isn't old-school blackface, where the intent was to mock black people - in fact, Koch often makes white people the butt of the joke - but still, Molefe said, when a white man gets on stage with a black puppet, it can feel like mockery. "And you can't just let these things slide," he said.

No, of course you can't.
 
2014-04-25 10:52:44 AM  

bungle_jr: maram500: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

Agreed--sort of. Why do people have a problem with him? He is actually insanely hilarious! pretty funny.

ftfy
seriously
big fan!



My daughter loves his act.  We've seen him in Fort Lauderdale at the BB&T Center and recently in Atlanta at the Phillips Arena.  Peanut and Jose the Jalapeno are the funniest bits in his act.
 
2014-04-25 11:40:13 AM  

Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.


The monsters and I loved him - and then we saw his live show. Still love Jeff the Guitar Guy, but Dunham is seriously racist, and even the monsters can see through it.

/But not the Bubbas in the audience. Sigh.
//Can't wait to move.
 
2014-04-25 11:52:56 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: kling_klang_bed:  just might have some problems that can't be blamed on whitey.

http://mrfarshtey.net/classes/imperialism_in_africa.pdf

Think you might wanna read up on African history a little bit there, bucko. Keep in mind a good deal of what Europe considers it's own ideas came from Africa, particularly the Moors.

Uh oh, an African Studies major wielding clip art!
Steel yourself, for space and time are his playthings.


*looking over what I said and seeing where I said I'm an African Studies major*

Apparently I missed that part. That or I made the mistake of having a battle of whits, armed with facts, against someone who can't be bothered with that sorta thing. That or someone armed with a spittoon and a shrine to Uncle Phil, whose mom fed him lead paint-flavored Pringles as a kid.

Then again I do have to fear a man who uses 'steel' as a verb, as if we still talk like we're in the 14th century.
 
2014-04-25 11:59:48 AM  

maram500: Agreed--sort of. Why do people have a problem with him? He is actually pretty funny.


Yes, stupid, tired, unoriginal stereotypes which reinforce our notions of privilege are always funny.

Eyeroll.
 
2014-04-25 12:21:29 PM  

bungle_jr: and i have heard from a fellow airforce reservist a first hand account of dunham being a super nice guy in person...this guy was also a long-time policeman, sgt in his dept in a somewhat-small-town in arkansas...dunham was in town performing for a benefit, and the police chief put my buddy in charge of driving dunham around town, etc. dunham even ate dinner at the guy's house. guy said jeff was just as cool as could be.


I can personally back that statement. I've caught his act for years, since before he hit it big. Even after he started to pick up a bit more attention, he was always the guy who stuck around outside with the fans and talked and signed autographs. Now that he's big, I hadn't caught his show in a while, and I of course expected that maybe since he's gotten bigger he's not the same guy.

Man, was I surprised when I worked one of his shows a couple months ago. He was even nicer than I remembered-- and incredibly generous. He bought a huge catering order of barbecue and then shared it with the staff. Jay-Z did something similar.
 
2014-04-25 12:34:00 PM  

Nix Nightbird: Danger Avoid Death: Smashed Hat: Oh thank God, I thought that was going to be something about Jeff Dunham.

[media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com image 480x360]

Jeff and Sweet Daddy Dee? The weakest part of his act.

His whole act is weak. It's just Jeff making racist, bigoted, unpopular comments and "jokes" come from the mouth of a racist, stereotyping puppet, and then acting surprised and shocked at what the "puppet" said.

I loathe Jeff Dunham. He's a racist, unfunny piece of shiat who plays to the lowest common denominator. He's not even a very good ventriloquist. His lips move like crazy.


Yeah, it's not a good idea point that out.

/I figured we didn't have enough "Dummies are creepy" in this thread.
 
2014-04-25 01:00:03 PM  
/done in 1
 
2014-04-25 01:00:44 PM  
America: (wipes away flop-sweat): Oh, thank God! It's South Africa! And no one has even mentioned Obama in this thread yet

OH, YOU'RE NO FUN ANY MORE!
 
2014-04-25 01:06:57 PM  

img.fark.net

Who are you calling BLACK, Paysano?

Guido, he's saying I am BLACK.

I'm not GUIDO, I'm MOSHE.

MOSHE? Where's GUIDO then?

Last I saw him he was out back having a toke ... I mean a smoke ... with Hashish .. er, Hassim.

You stupid Pine-head. You were supposed to be Guido.

Hey, no Woodism. My Mother was Maple.

What was your Father? A sap-ling?

No, he wasn't wood. Just Woody.

Veneer?

That really hurts.

 
2014-04-25 08:14:30 PM  
hmm mebbe it was you CAN'T run and shoot at the same time

i figgered i aughta build some links to the singing i was talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn2NmKRJQ14&t=2m43s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nSfmCruQD8&t=1m15s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUgBX-ew1Xs&t=2m40s
 
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