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(Click Orlando)   Two women get into Facebook argument, and one of them, a pregnant woman, decides to finish the argument in person. Little did she know the other woman was prepared to Stand Her Ground   (clickorlando.com) divider line 87
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2014-04-25 08:49:01 AM
Having anyone you could argue with seriously enough to lead to a fight as a Facebook friend is stupid.  Having hundreds of strangers, acquaintances and people you knew 10 years ago on your Facebook friends list is also stupid.  I have enough BS to sift through on my feed with my carefully-pruned 25 or so Facebook friends, so I can't even imagine how people with hundreds of "friends" manage.  Maybe that's why everyone spends so much bloody time staring at their smartphones?  Reading feeds is a full time job, and the average user probably neither knows nor likes the sources very much.
 
2014-04-25 08:50:28 AM
Internet fights are apparently some serious business.
 
2014-04-25 08:55:15 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there some actual REASON we want to keep Florida, or is it just that nobody's seriously looked into digging a trench between the rest of the US and that worthless piece of swampland? Because I'll start the Kickstarter campaign to blow the entire peninsula the hell off the map if anyone's at all interested.


Florida would have to work much harder to top the 2012 gunfight over who makes the best Kool Aid that took place in Illinois. Although nobody was killed in that one, just two bystanders shot.
 
2014-04-25 09:04:07 AM

fusillade762: Police said they have not found the weapon yet.

You'd think that would be one of the first things they'd ask about.


Of course they did, but the shooter also thought of getting rid of the gun before the cops got there.  Very simple, hand the gun to the nearest kid and tell them to run.  The kid will ditch it somewhere else for it to be found and used again.  It doesn't take a lot of guns to keep the violence going, since they have an unofficial gun sharing program.
 
2014-04-25 09:05:00 AM
Police said the other woman was in custody but has not yet been charged. Investigators said they would determine if the shooting was the result of self-defense.
"We're going to interview the suspect and see what her race is and whether she's darker than this paper bag. Not jumping to any conclusions at this point. We know she was here, she was involved in the shooting, but whether she's black, we don't know at this time," said Sgt. Paul.
 
2014-04-25 09:07:52 AM

NormallyTechnos: Wuu, free energy!

All we need to do is hook a couple state Republicans up to a generator, and ask them which is it? Stand your ground or attempted murder of an unborn fetus?



Actually, that's pretty easy. You are not "standing your ground" from fear of attack from an unborn child. What's the kid going to do, kick?  Personally, I suspect that the fact that the shot was to the abdomen will be viewed by the prosecuter as an attack on the baby, rather than an attack on the mother.  At best the defense can argue that the baby was an innocent bystander shot by accident.  Had the shooter shot her 'perceived threat'  in the head and the baby consequently died, I think the case might be viewed differently.

By the way, you score extra snark points for use of the word "fetus".  How old were you before your mother stopped thinking of you as an unviable tissue mass?
 
2014-04-25 09:11:21 AM

Lokkii: By the way, you score extra snark points for use of the word "fetus".


Yeah! Extra snark points for using the medically correct term! This is no place for being correct, Sir, this is the place for emotional table-pounding rhetoric!
 
2014-04-25 09:11:44 AM
Hmmm... According to another article the shooter has now been charged. The weapon going missing does make it difficult to believe "stand your ground" should apply.
 
2014-04-25 09:21:11 AM

accelerus: impressive list of every racist/misogynistic trope ever seen


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2014-04-25 09:34:17 AM

onyxruby: mongbiohazard: Maul555: When did it become illegal to defend yourself from violent pregnant biatches... this is the fault of the mother.... don't start physical altercations while preggerss... its not the shooters fault the crazy lady is pregnant... ect...

No no no, you see, stand your ground wasn't meant for black people to use to defend themselves...

It's been used by more black people much more than white.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-y o ur-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/


Go back to Stormfront! The women are the victims here, the criminal is what ever death merchant corporation made the Glock.  Now you're going to tell me they made an after tax profit!
 
2014-04-25 09:41:12 AM

NormallyTechnos: All we need to do is hook a couple state Republicans up to a generator, and ask them which is it? Stand your ground or attempted murder of an unborn fetus?


"Stand your ground" doesn't apply to black women.  There is precedent for that.
 
2014-04-25 09:42:37 AM

onyxruby: mongbiohazard: Maul555: When did it become illegal to defend yourself from violent pregnant biatches... this is the fault of the mother.... don't start physical altercations while preggerss... its not the shooters fault the crazy lady is pregnant... ect...

No no no, you see, stand your ground wasn't meant for black people to use to defend themselves...

It's been used by more black people much more than white.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-y o ur-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/


From your "article":
"Ten Hispanics have used the defense, seven of them successfully, according to the database, which included George Zimmerman as a "Stand Your Ground" defendant."

Zimmerman did not use the SYG law. He claimed ordinary common law self-defense. Your article's data is all suspect.
 
2014-04-25 09:43:15 AM
flondrix

"Stand your ground" doesn't apply to black women. There is precedent for that.

It's imaginary, but it's a precedent.
 
2014-04-25 09:44:54 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there some actual REASON we want to keep Florida, or is it just that nobody's seriously looked into digging a trench between the rest of the US and that worthless piece of swampland? Because I'll start the Kickstarter campaign to blow the entire peninsula the hell off the map if anyone's at all interested.


It's been attempted:
assets0.ordienetworks.com
 
2014-04-25 09:45:06 AM

Gyrfalcon: Is there some actual REASON we want to keep Florida, or is it just that nobody's seriously looked into digging a trench between the rest of the US and that worthless piece of swampland? Because I'll start the Kickstarter campaign to blow the entire peninsula the hell off the map if anyone's at all interested.


They tried.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Florida_Barge_Canal
 
2014-04-25 09:53:34 AM
I don't believe it, a woman who endangers her welfare check? Say it isn't so!
 
2014-04-25 10:09:06 AM
Good ol' FB
STILL comes for free
 
2014-04-25 10:10:08 AM

zimbomba63: Go back to Stormfront! The women are the victims here, the criminal is what ever death merchant corporation made the Glock.


Stormfront really? I wonder how non-white girlfriend and non-white roommate will go over? Do you think they would accept them or are you just talking out of your ass and making assumptions?

Theaetetus: Zimmerman did not use the SYG law. He claimed ordinary common law self-defense. Your article's data is all suspect.


I never said anything about Zimmerman. Here's another article from the Chicago Tribune that also backs up my claim:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-28/opinion/ct-oped-1029-g un s-20131029_1_ground-laws-blacks-ground-defense

I'll quote the noteworthy part for you:

"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense."
 
2014-04-25 10:19:28 AM

onyxruby: Theaetetus: Zimmerman did not use the SYG law. He claimed ordinary common law self-defense. Your article's data is all suspect.

I never said anything about Zimmerman.


You cited to an article that had provably false information about Zimmerman to support its conclusion. I think the implication is obvious.

Here's another article from the Chicago Tribune that also backs up my claim:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-28/opinion/ct-oped-1029-g un s-20131029_1_ground-laws-blacks-ground-defense

I'll quote the noteworthy part for you:

"Blacks make up 16.6 percent of Florida's population but account for 31 percent of the defendants invoking the stand your ground defense. Black defendants who invoke this statute are actually acquitted 8 percentage points more frequently than whites who use this very same defense."


Actually, your "another article" is really just an op-ed comment that cites to the same source as your  first article.
Hey, are you going to quote  me as backing up your claim since I've now quoted the article, too?
 
2014-04-25 10:20:11 AM

onyxruby: Stormfront really? I wonder how non-white girlfriend and non-white roommate will go over?


amptoons.com
 
2014-04-25 10:22:24 AM
'My son called me and I was very disturbed about this because this is not the way I was raised, and they (were) not raised like this,' Jordan told reporters. 'Somebody had to provoke my child ... to do what she (did). I don't know if she was trying to defend herself, or if they (were) trying to jump on my child, I can't say.'

Shouldn't the woman being shot be charged with endangering the life of her child, by confronting the woman and beginning a physical altercation?
I don't see how the woman who fired the shot should even be arrested.
 
2014-04-25 10:29:18 AM
Subby, you probably think stand your ground is inapplicable if someone is lying down.  Because you have sure shown your complete ignorance of it here.  Bravo.
 
2014-04-25 10:50:43 AM

Misconduc: I don't believe it, a woman who endangers her welfare check? Say it isn't so!


Welfare? What does this story have to do with welfare?
 
2014-04-25 11:00:27 AM
Colored people problems.
 
2014-04-25 11:06:52 AM
 
2014-04-25 11:10:13 AM
BullBearMS

• Whites who invoked the law were charged at the same rate as blacks.

• Whites who went to trial were convicted at the same rate as blacks.

• In mixed-race cases involving fatalities, the outcomes were similar. Four of the five blacks who killed a white went free; five of the six whites who killed a black went free.

• Overall, black defendants went free 66 percent of the time in fatal cases compared to 61 percent for white defendants - a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.


But the meme says that SYG is racist and unfair to black people. What weight do "data" and "facts" have in the face of internet outrage? Search your heart. Feel the answer. Conform.
 
2014-04-25 11:15:46 AM

Theaetetus: Actually, your "another article" is really just an op-ed comment that cites to the same source as your first article.
Hey, are you going to quote me as backing up your claim since I've now quoted the article, too?


You haven't quoted a single thing that refutes what I said. I also never said anything about Zimmerman, why do you keep bringing up Zimmerman? If you want the source for the daily caller info than go to it yourself:

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases

Theaetetus: onyxruby: Stormfront really? I wonder how non-white girlfriend and non-white roommate will go over?

[amptoons.com image 335x245]


Way to reach for the derp, you must be so proud of yourself!
 
2014-04-25 12:25:39 PM

onyxruby: Theaetetus: Actually, your "another article" is really just an op-ed comment that cites to the same source as your first article.
Hey, are you going to quote me as backing up your claim since I've now quoted the article, too?

You haven't quoted a single thing that refutes what I said. I also never said anything about Zimmerman, why do you keep bringing up Zimmerman? If you want the source for the daily caller info than go to it yourself:

http://www.tampabay.com/stand-your-ground-law/fatal-cases


First row, 6th from left - Trayvon Martin.
You keep citing sources to support your claim, all of which include Zimmerman as an example of use of a Stand Your Ground law. Zimmerman did not use SYG. Your sources are invalid.

Theaetetus: onyxruby: Stormfront really? I wonder how non-white girlfriend and non-white roommate will go over?

[amptoons.com image 335x245]

Way to reach for the derp, you must be so proud of yourself!


You're the one playing the "I totally have a black friend" card.
 
2014-04-25 12:45:40 PM

Theaetetus: onyxruby: Theaetetus:

You're the one playing the "I totally have a black friend" card.


I never said anything about black, like the original poster your assuming things. Are you ever going to try to actually refute anything with facts or logic? I say your just a troll who offers 5th grade insults every time someone proves you wrong or doesn't share your politics. You do it all the time to any poster you disagree with.
 
2014-04-25 12:50:25 PM

onyxruby: Theaetetus: onyxruby: Theaetetus:

You're the one playing the "I totally have a black friend" card.

I never said anything about black, like the original poster your assuming things.


I never said you did. I said you were playing that card, not that you invented the concept.

Are you ever going to try to actually refute anything with facts or logic? I say your just a troll who offers 5th grade insults every time someone proves you wrong or doesn't share your politics. You do it all the time to any poster you disagree with.

I already refuted the only bit of "evidence" you were relying on to support your argument. Since you have no other evidence, then your conclusion is unsupported - you haven't proven anything. Checkmate.
 
2014-04-25 12:53:35 PM

Theaetetus: I already refuted the only bit of "evidence" you were relying on to support your argument. Since you have no other evidence, then your conclusion is unsupported - you haven't proven anything. Checkmate.


I didn't play a card, I responded to one. Can't you read what people wrote instead of what you think they wrote? You didn't refute a damn thing. Where is your citation? Where is your evidence, your data? You haven't provided a single thing - and I have. The only one checkmated is you.
 
2014-04-25 01:06:43 PM

onyxruby: You haven't provided a single thing - and I have.

Theaetetus: I already refuted the only bit of "evidence" you were relying on to support your argument.


You haven't provided anything that I haven't shown to be bullshiat.
 
2014-04-25 01:48:56 PM

JasonOfOrillia: Wow, this is like Scylla and Charybdis for conservatives, stand your ground vs an unborn child.

Of course, a conservative Christian should be bound by Exodus 21:22.


Funny.  I was thinking this was an ethical dilemma for liberals.  Abortion by firearm.
 
2014-04-25 02:45:49 PM
FTFA: "Police said the dispute turned physical, and the other woman shot the pregnant woman, Local 6 sister station WJXT-TV reported. "

So can one assume that at least one of the protagonists was a sister?
 
2014-04-25 05:17:44 PM

Facetious_Speciest: a difference explained, in part, by the fact blacks were more likely to kill another black.


If black on black crime is punished 1% more harshly, that's because the system is racist against black criminals.

If white on white crime is punished more harshly, it's because the system is racist in favor of white victims.
 
2014-04-25 08:43:25 PM

Gyrfalcon: Is there some actual REASON we want to keep Florida, or is it just that nobody's seriously looked into digging a trench between the rest of the US and that worthless piece of swampland? Because I'll start the Kickstarter campaign to blow the entire peninsula the hell off the map if anyone's at all interested.


Yes, Gyrfalcon, there is a reason. If not for Florida, these people might live near you. Think of it as America's personal Australia.

Did anyone read the comments that followed?

/ Now they can name the kid Shooty McFacebook. LOL
//Florida resident
///I just SMH when I read this shiat
 
2014-04-26 08:04:21 AM

Tatterdemalian: Squilax: gulogulo: accelerus: nd of the month... tensions are high... at least until that government check arrives.

Why is this the assumption you are making or 'makes sense to you?' Can you explain? I didn't see anything in the article to indicate that either women were on welfare.

This was in the comments on TFA.

But you wouldn't have reposted it if you didn't agree with it. You had no reason to think it is worth sharing, and therefore no right to expose FARK liberals to this kind of thought process. I now have you farkied as "evil criminal psychopath neocon zionazi" in Cool Ranch Orange, and added you to my super-double-secret ignore list that guarantees that nobody who has ever replied to you will ever be able to taint my precious vital thought processes ever again.

/SHUN! SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
//OH GOD WHY WON'T THOSE FARKING CONSERVATIVES EVER BEHAVE LIKE THE STRAWMEN I KEEP PRETENDING THEY ARE I WOULD SUE THEM IN A HEARTBEAT I HAVE THE SPLC ON SPEED DIAL
///given my previous encounters with Poe's Law, I should mark this as "sarcasm"


Me? But I didn't doooo anything! I didn't even repost it! I just pointed out that it was in the... comments... I'll just sit over here wearing my Cool Ranch Orange (aren't they like green and blue??)...
 
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