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2014-04-24 09:05:42 PM
No telling how bad the Bills might be without cheerleaders.

Seriously, they should have cheerleaders, witch doctors, spirit communicators, medicine men, snake charmers, and voodoo priests on the sidelines.
 
2014-04-25 12:21:40 AM
I would think that without cheerleaders, there would be a lot less sucking going on
 
2014-04-25 12:21:58 AM
But, whose brain did you give me that we put in the head of the quarterback?

I'm not sure.  But I think his name was Abbie, Abbie Normal or something.
 
2014-04-25 01:18:08 AM
As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.
 
2014-04-25 01:53:05 AM
Striking over four months before anyone would notice they're not on then job - that is some shrewd tactical mastery
 
2014-04-25 01:54:54 AM
I don't lose a lot of sleep over the low wages of NFL cheerleaders. For one, they know exactly what the deal is going in to it. Secondly, many if not most are paid escorts that pad their resumes for their services as a pro cheerleader.

/Been to more than a few cocktail parties with cheerleaders present
//Cheerleaders not nearly as pretty in person or up close
 
2014-04-25 02:08:11 AM
Wow, a bunch of vacuous ass-shakers won't be on the sidelines of something played on the field. If you paid for a ticket, the only way you can even see the cheerleaders on game day (except for Dallas' whores on parade), you probably ought to watch the game. In the case of the Bills, if it's so bad that you go for the cheerleaders to see them dressed in muumuus because it's -30 out there, you would enjoy it more if you stayed home.

/No cheerleaders for my favorite team
//Wouldn't even notice if there were
 
2014-04-25 03:21:14 AM

99.998er: I don't lose a lot of sleep over the low wages of NFL cheerleaders. For one, they know exactly what the deal is going in to it. Secondly, many if not most are paid escorts that pad their resumes for their services as a pro cheerleader.

/Been to more than a few cocktail parties with cheerleaders present
//Cheerleaders not nearly as pretty in person or up close


It's funny you say that. A guy I work with was a pretty big deal for Purdue(but didn't go pro) said he went to several parties his senior year that included cheerleaders from the Lions. He said they were charging $400/hour. I didn't believe him, but I guess he could be right... Let me find the nearest cash machine.
 
2014-04-25 06:45:31 AM
I'll need to see some video of this "jiggle test" before I know how I feel about this.
 
2014-04-25 07:22:34 AM
On the bright side, the Jills are now eligible to become members of the team, which could be an improvement.
 
2014-04-25 07:34:56 AM

MustardTiger: 99.998er: I don't lose a lot of sleep over the low wages of NFL cheerleaders. For one, they know exactly what the deal is going in to it. Secondly, many if not most are paid escorts that pad their resumes for their services as a pro cheerleader.

/Been to more than a few cocktail parties with cheerleaders present
//Cheerleaders not nearly as pretty in person or up close

It's funny you say that. A guy I work with was a pretty big deal for Purdue(but didn't go pro) said he went to several parties his senior year that included cheerleaders from the Lions. He said they were charging $400/hour. I didn't believe him, but I guess he could be right... Let me find the nearest cash machine.


... well, there's a lot of bad you can say about Penn State, but I guess you can't call their cheerleaders cheap.
 
2014-04-25 07:49:14 AM

MustardTiger: Let me find the nearest cash machine.


Does it dispense dollar bills?

T&A factor aside, I never got the reasoning behind cheerleaders for professional sports. It could be having something to watch other than the crap product on the field.
 
2014-04-25 07:50:44 AM

99.998er: I don't lose a lot of sleep over the low wages of NFL cheerleaders. For one, they know exactly what the deal is going in to it. Secondly, many if not most are paid escorts that pad their resumes for their services as a pro cheerleader.

/Been to more than a few cocktail parties with cheerleaders present
//Cheerleaders not nearly as pretty in person or up close


I'm continually amazed by the new lows sexists on Fark reach while talking about cheerleaders.
 
2014-04-25 08:12:36 AM
phamwaa:

T&A factor aside, I never got the reasoning behind cheerleaders for professional sports.

You mention the T&A factor, so you definitely get the reason for them.
 
2014-04-25 08:47:35 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Striking over four months before anyone would notice they're not on then job - that is some shrewd tactical mastery


Wow, you're dumb.
 
2014-04-25 09:01:14 AM

Lost Thought 00: 99.998er: I don't lose a lot of sleep over the low wages of NFL cheerleaders. For one, they know exactly what the deal is going in to it. Secondly, many if not most are paid escorts that pad their resumes for their services as a pro cheerleader.

/Been to more than a few cocktail parties with cheerleaders present
//Cheerleaders not nearly as pretty in person or up close

I'm continually amazed by the new lows sexists on Fark reach while talking about cheerleaders.


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2014-04-25 09:16:03 AM

Pot Pie Man: As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.


Difference between the Browns and the Bills:

When Cleveland lost its NFL team, the league gave them a new one a few years later to replace it.

If/when Buffalo eventually loses its NFL team, we ain't ever getting one back.  Think the NFL will ever put a new expansion team in Buffalo?  LOL.
 
2014-04-25 09:27:12 AM

Doc Daneeka: Pot Pie Man: As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.

Difference between the Browns and the Bills:

When Cleveland lost its NFL team, the league gave them a new one a few years later to replace it.

If/when Buffalo eventually loses its NFL team, we ain't ever getting one back.  Think the NFL will ever put a new expansion team in Buffalo?  LOL.


With Ralph Wilson gone - its just a matter of time before they move IMO
 
2014-04-25 09:58:37 AM

Objectesticle: Doc Daneeka: Pot Pie Man: As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.

Difference between the Browns and the Bills:

When Cleveland lost its NFL team, the league gave them a new one a few years later to replace it.

If/when Buffalo eventually loses its NFL team, we ain't ever getting one back.  Think the NFL will ever put a new expansion team in Buffalo?  LOL.

With Ralph Wilson gone - its just a matter of time before they move IMO


First off, Cheerleaders will probably disappear from all teams, it's not like the Bills are the first team to have something like this come up. Not only that they are basically volunteers anyway, and I doubt that a team is going to spend money on something that has little affect on the actual game.

Secondly, the Bills will not, and cannot move. Unlike the Browns, Ralph set it up so that the team could not be moved. The lease is rock solid for at least 7 years and no one is going to end up paying at a  minimum of 1.5x the team value, to buy them. 

Thirdly, besides Donald Trump, the Delaware North guys yesterday announced that they are in deep talks about buying the Bills as well, not to mention Terry Pegula and Tom Golisano (more Buffalo billionaires) that said they will buy the team if needed.

So no. You don't know what you are talking about, and they aren't going to move. The end.
 
2014-04-25 10:31:55 AM
Some of the grievances of the former Buffalo Bills cheerleaders who are suing the franchise for minimum wage violations and a host of other indignities:

"[T]he alleged exploitation was more than just unpaid labor. The Buffalo Jills allege that Stejon [Productions Corp]  and Citadel [Communications Co.] essentially ran a racket, forcing the women to buy calendars and other Bills-related items out of pocket and then sell them on their own time. They even imposed damages if they failed to sell their quotas, according to the suit. Each woman was required to buy 50 to 75 Buffalo Jills swimsuit calendars at $10 each and sell them. If she did not sell them, she was left in the red and "subject to further penalties at the discretion of defendants." The same went for Jills golf tournament tickets and gift baskets, which could cost each woman $590. Other out-of-pocket expenses included travel and hotel accommodations for the events they had to attend and $650 in uniform costs, the suit says.

That's not all. From exposure to sexual harassment to menstrual hygiene instructions, the alleged physical appearance rules paint a deeply disturbing picture of archaic, invasive, and manipulative requirements. According to the lawsuit, the Buffalo Jills were given a list of 17 rules governing "general hygiene and body maintenance." They included "how to properly wash 'intimate areas' and how often to change tampons."
 
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/24/it-s-buffalo-jills- vs -buffalo-bills-in-ex-cheerleaders-new-lawsuit.html?utm_source=feedburn er&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+thedailybeast%2Farticles+%28Th e+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles%29
 
2014-04-25 10:51:46 AM

phamwaa: MustardTiger: Let me find the nearest cash machine.

Does it dispense dollar bills?

T&A factor aside, I never got the reasoning behind cheerleaders for professional sports. It could be having something to watch other than the crap product on the field.


The exist primarily for marketing at external events.
 
2014-04-25 10:58:46 AM
phimuskapsi:

Secondly, the Bills will not, and cannot move. Unlike the Browns, Ralph set it up so that the team could not be moved. The lease is rock solid for at least 7 years and no one is going to end up paying at a  minimum of 1.5x the team value, to buy them.

Thirdly, besides Donald Trump, the Delaware North guys yesterday announced that they are in deep talks about buying the Bills as well, not to mention Terry Pegula and Tom Golisano (more Buffalo billionaires) that said they will buy the team if needed.

So no. You don't know what you are talking about, and they aren't going to move. The end.


I don't want the Bills to move either, but the situation is not as rock-solid as you would like to think it is.

Bills estimated value of ~$800 million + $400 million relocation penalty = $1.2 billion.  That's not that ridiculous, a team in LA might easily be worth $1.2 billion or more in the minds of buyers.  Hell, the Cowboys are valued at $2.1 billion, and several other teams (Redskins, Patriots, Texans, Giants, Jets, Eagles) are currently valued at more than $1.2 billion.  $400 million is not nearly the impediment that you think it is when we are talking about NFL franchises worth multiple billions.

Even if potential buyers don't want to pay the $400 million, seven years isn't really that long to wait.  If the Bills don't have a new downtown stadium under construction in 7 years time, I'd say it would be almost certain that they would move.

As for the potential local buyers:

-Trump is such a clown and media AW.  Who can tell how serious he is and why would anyone take his word at face value about anything.  And he has no real ties to Buffalo, so even if he does buy the team, why would you feel confident that he would want to keep it there long term?  Just because he says so now when talking to the Buffalo media?

-Jeremy Jacobs is Chairman of the NHL Board of Governors (the single most powerful NHL owner) and has said that he has no interest in selling the Bruins, which would be required to buy the Bills.  Also the Jacobs family has extensive gambling-related holdings, which is a no-no for NFL owners.

-Jim Kelly (and other former players) doesn't have nearly enough money to buy an NFL team.  Plus Jim has far more pressing matters to deal with at the moment.  Even if a large group of them could scrap together enough money, the NFL prefers dealing with single majority owners over large ownership groups.

-Tom Golisano is not going to get into a bidding war with anyone for the team.  He only bought the Sabres because he could buy them out of bankruptcy from the league at rock-bottom prices with no competition.  Golisano's real passion is baseball, not football or hockey.  He made a bid for the Dodgers a few years ago, and will likely try again for an MLB team.  Buying the Bills would prevent him from pursuing his dream of being an MLB owner, due to NFL rules.

-Pegula - maybe, but who knows.  His real passion is clearly hockey, and it seems he wants to focus on running the Sabres.  He could own both teams at the same time, but would he want to?
 
2014-04-25 11:34:58 AM
It's not a 'relocation penalty' it's the MINIMUM fine required AFTER going to court. So they would still have to go to court, get 24 of the 32 NFL teams to sign off on a move, etc. The fact of the matter is it would cost 1.2 Billion just to move. That doesn't include new stadium costs, new re-branding costs, etc. etc. etc. Really it'd probably be closer to $3b to move and setup the team.

That's why Erie County, the Bills, and the Governor of NY have founded a stadium group. However, many people (including the Bills) really just want mods done to The Ralph.

- Yep. He is selfish and wouldn't want to fly across the country, on top of that he is inexorably linked to NY already.
- Jacobs family is run by the FATHER, the Sons are considering leaving the ownership group of the Bruins to own the Bills. Gambling properties? So does Trump.
- Jim Kelly is working with Donald Trump's group.
- Yes he would.
- Terry is interested
 
2014-04-25 11:45:38 AM

MustardTiger: 99.998er: I don't lose a lot of sleep over the low wages of NFL cheerleaders. For one, they know exactly what the deal is going in to it. Secondly, many if not most are paid escorts that pad their resumes for their services as a pro cheerleader.

/Been to more than a few cocktail parties with cheerleaders present
//Cheerleaders not nearly as pretty in person or up close

It's funny you say that. A guy I work with was a pretty big deal for Purdue(but didn't go pro) said he went to several parties his senior year that included cheerleaders from the Lions. He said they were charging $400/hour. I didn't believe him, but I guess he could be right... Let me find the nearest cash machine.


They must have been from the BC Lions, because Detroit doesn't have cheerleaders.

The guy you work with who was a pretty big deal at Purdue probably wasn't that big of a deal either, is my guess.
 
2014-04-25 12:10:34 PM

dywed88: The exist primarily for marketing at external events.


People who think that NFL teams are focused simply on the product on the field are hilarious.
 
2014-04-25 12:11:18 PM

phimuskapsi: - Yep. He is selfish and wouldn't want to fly across the country, on top of that he is inexorably linked to NY already.


He's linked to NYC, not to Buffalo.  The distance thing is kind of a crock too - that doesn't make a difference to the sort that flies around in a private luxury jet.  Yeah, he says all the right things now to make himself popular with the public in Buffalo, but I wouldn't trust Trump as far as I could throw hime.  Donald Trump does whatever gets Donald Trump the most money and public attention - and owning an NFL team in Buffalo does not do those things.  Owning an NFL team in a larger media market probably would though.

phimuskapsi: - Jacobs family is run by the FATHER, the Sons are considering leaving the ownership group of the Bruins to own the Bills. Gambling properties? So does Trump.


Expressing a desire for the Bills remain in Buffalo is a completely different thing from stating interest in bidding for the team, which he did not do in your linked article.  Asked point-blank if they had any interest in buying the team, he refused to say.  You're reading that response as an affirmation?  The only thing we know for sure is that Jacobs Sr is not going to sell the Bruins.  Who knows how much of the family's fortune the sons hold?

phimuskapsi: - Jim Kelly is working with Donald Trump's group.


Kelly would be nothing more than a public face with a small minority share.  It doesn't make me think any more highly of Trump.

phimuskapsi: - Yes he would.


An interview from 2012.  "I have said that I would do what I could to participate, not a commitment, but I would certainly look at it because I realize how important this franchise is to this community, just like the Sabres...I would hate to see the Buffalo Bills leave Buffalo, so whatever I could do that was logical and realistic, I would participate."

That's pretty vague and open-ended, and about as far from a concrete interest in buying the team as you can get.  Anyone interview Golisano recently about it (since Ralph's passing)?

Again, I just don't see Golisano as the type who's going to get into a bidding war for the team.

phimuskapsi: - Terry is interested


"At this time, we remain committed and focused on the Buffalo Sabres organization," Sabres spokesman Michael Gilbert told  The News in a statement. "However, we are aware of the Buffalo Bills current ownership situation after the passing of Ralph Wilson. We believe that this region is a better place with the Bills here, and we would not want to see the team moved out of Buffalo."

Again, that is NOT an expression of interest in buying the team.  Saying that you'd rather not see the team moved and saying that you're interested in buying the team are TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.  I don't want to see the team moved - that doesn't make me a potential buyer.
 
2014-04-25 12:12:57 PM

IAmRight: dywed88: The exist primarily for marketing at external events.

People who think that NFL teams are focused simply on the product on the field are hilarious.


Well, in the Bills' case, they are clearly not focused on the product on the field.
 
2014-04-25 01:08:31 PM

phimuskapsi: Objectesticle: Doc Daneeka: Pot Pie Man: As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.

Difference between the Browns and the Bills:

When Cleveland lost its NFL team, the league gave them a new one a few years later to replace it.

If/when Buffalo eventually loses its NFL team, we ain't ever getting one back.  Think the NFL will ever put a new expansion team in Buffalo?  LOL.

With Ralph Wilson gone - its just a matter of time before they move IMO

First off, Cheerleaders will probably disappear from all teams, it's not like the Bills are the first team to have something like this come up. Not only that they are basically volunteers anyway, and I doubt that a team is going to spend money on something that has little affect on the actual game.

Secondly, the Bills will not, and cannot move. Unlike the Browns, Ralph set it up so that the team could not be moved. The lease is rock solid for at least 7 years and no one is going to end up paying at a  minimum of 1.5x the team value, to buy them. 

Thirdly, besides Donald Trump, the Delaware North guys yesterday announced that they are in deep talks about buying the Bills as well, not to mention Terry Pegula and Tom Golisano (more Buffalo billionaires) that said they will buy the team if needed.

So no. You don't know what you are talking about, and they aren't going to move. The end.


So, when the Bills move, which location would you prefer to see them go to...Toronto?  London?  LA?
 
2014-04-25 01:39:22 PM

TheOther: phimuskapsi: Objectesticle: Doc Daneeka: Pot Pie Man: As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.

Difference between the Browns and the Bills:

When Cleveland lost its NFL team, the league gave them a new one a few years later to replace it.

If/when Buffalo eventually loses its NFL team, we ain't ever getting one back.  Think the NFL will ever put a new expansion team in Buffalo?  LOL.

With Ralph Wilson gone - its just a matter of time before they move IMO

First off, Cheerleaders will probably disappear from all teams, it's not like the Bills are the first team to have something like this come up. Not only that they are basically volunteers anyway, and I doubt that a team is going to spend money on something that has little affect on the actual game.

Secondly, the Bills will not, and cannot move. Unlike the Browns, Ralph set it up so that the team could not be moved. The lease is rock solid for at least 7 years and no one is going to end up paying at a  minimum of 1.5x the team value, to buy them. 

Thirdly, besides Donald Trump, the Delaware North guys yesterday announced that they are in deep talks about buying the Bills as well, not to mention Terry Pegula and Tom Golisano (more Buffalo billionaires) that said they will buy the team if needed.

So no. You don't know what you are talking about, and they aren't going to move. The end.

So, when the Bills move, which location would you prefer to see them go to...Toronto?  London?  LA?


Honestly. I'd find another team if that did happen, but it won't.
 
2014-04-26 12:15:47 AM

TheOther: phimuskapsi: Objectesticle: Doc Daneeka: Pot Pie Man: As a hardcore Browns fan, I pretty much understand how shiatty being a Bills fan must be. I also know ridiculous scandals involving the front office make you want to hate the team even more, but yeah, you don't get to choose your family or your fooyball team.

Difference between the Browns and the Bills:

When Cleveland lost its NFL team, the league gave them a new one a few years later to replace it.

If/when Buffalo eventually loses its NFL team, we ain't ever getting one back.  Think the NFL will ever put a new expansion team in Buffalo?  LOL.

With Ralph Wilson gone - its just a matter of time before they move IMO

First off, Cheerleaders will probably disappear from all teams, it's not like the Bills are the first team to have something like this come up. Not only that they are basically volunteers anyway, and I doubt that a team is going to spend money on something that has little affect on the actual game.

Secondly, the Bills will not, and cannot move. Unlike the Browns, Ralph set it up so that the team could not be moved. The lease is rock solid for at least 7 years and no one is going to end up paying at a  minimum of 1.5x the team value, to buy them. 

Thirdly, besides Donald Trump, the Delaware North guys yesterday announced that they are in deep talks about buying the Bills as well, not to mention Terry Pegula and Tom Golisano (more Buffalo billionaires) that said they will buy the team if needed.

So no. You don't know what you are talking about, and they aren't going to move. The end.

So, when the Bills move, which location would you prefer to see them go to...Toronto?  London?  LA?


I would want Toronto primarily to keep it within the existing fanbase.

But it will never happen. The NFL isn't putting a team in Canada and Toronto isn't building an NFL stadium. The finances aren't there for the province and city to fund one and the outcry about betraying the Argos would put a big dent in public support.

London is not an option. There are far too many practical issues before even considering its chances at business success.

LA is the only one of the three worth considering.
 
2014-04-26 01:59:29 AM

dywed88: But it will never happen. The NFL isn't putting a team in Canada and Toronto isn't building an NFL stadium. The finances aren't there for the province and city to fund one and the outcry about betraying the Argos would put a big dent in public support.


On top of that lots of players wouldn't want to deal with the international tax issues, felons having issues crossing borders (or getting preferential treatment, which neither government would want), etc.

The stadium issues are another reason, but everyone seems to miss a few subtle factors.  Goodell is from Jamestown (just over an hours from Buffalo), knows the area, and the NFL is in pretty tight with NY State officials. (Their headquarters and nonprofit status is based in NY.)  Chuck Schumer has made it pretty clear he's not okay with the Bills leaving Buffalo, and the non-profit and antitrust rules the NFL plays by are more important than letting an owner move the team.

24 owners aren't going to support a plan that moves the Bills unless the state and US Senate sign off on it.
 
2014-04-26 02:02:55 AM
Oh, and I've heard the will could stipulate that they take less money for an owner who agrees to keep the team in Buffalo for X many years.  None of the public knows what exactly the will says as far as I know.
 
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