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2014-04-24 04:03:06 PM  
First you have men marrying other men. Then you have men marrying dogs. Then you have male dogs marrying other male dogs. Then you have dogs marrying steaks. Then your dog eats the steak and get arrested for domestic violence.

Don't allow your dog to be arrested for domestic violence. Vote Republican and keep love out of marriage.
 
2014-04-24 04:26:40 PM  
Dogs love, cats just plan how to kill and eat you...
 
2014-04-24 04:28:30 PM  
Stop lying to yourselves.(Stop bribing scientists too)
 
2014-04-24 04:40:15 PM  
FTFA:

Neurochemical research has shown that the hormone released when people are in love is released in animals in the same intimate circumstances.

Did they find this out when they were in their lab?
 
2014-04-24 04:54:17 PM  
My cats are capable of love

/they just don't think I'm worthy
 
2014-04-24 05:25:53 PM  
photos.imageevent.com

I know.
 
2014-04-24 05:34:09 PM  

LordZorch: Dogs love, cats just plan how to kill and eat you...


Cats love planning how to kill and eat you.
 
2014-04-24 05:36:18 PM  
FirstNationalBastard:
Did they find this out when they were in their lab?

Well played.

Any idiot that has watched an animal for a while knows they feel pain, they fear, they get excited, they get sad, of course they love too.

Humans are animals, we feel these things. Why shouldn't dogs and cats?
 
2014-04-24 05:36:58 PM  
I didn't need science to tell me my dogs love me...

/but cool study none the less!!
 
2014-04-24 05:38:13 PM  
Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?
 
2014-04-24 05:39:31 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: My cats are capable of love

/they just don't think I'm worthy


My wife's cat (who has lived in my home since my wife and I got married, so six years now) isn't capable of love. She makes up for it by being more than capable of seething hatred.
 
2014-04-24 05:40:41 PM  
8lbs of fluffy love.
i74.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-24 05:41:07 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-24 05:42:01 PM  

iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?


Oh HELL no.  One year- say 9 years ago, when we were decorating the christmas tree, my kids put a line of treats up the ladder to get the cat to climb the ladder.
Even now, if the ladder arrives in the house, she is climbing up it looking for treats.
 
2014-04-24 05:43:59 PM  

iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?


www.cristanwilliams.com
 
2014-04-24 05:46:31 PM  
Was nearly attacked by a dog today on the way to work. Was standing just outside the new neighbours place and this huge dog (looked like a Doberman mix of some type) charged me. Farging idiot neighbour with his hat on sideways comes strolling after it to get it under control. Dog runs away from him, circles around, and charges me again. I didn't eyeball it or try to run, but if it worked up the nerve to chomp me, I don't know howw that would have turned out.

In summary, fark dogs.
 
2014-04-24 05:49:08 PM  

gopher321: Was nearly attacked by a dog today on the way to work. Was standing just outside the new neighbours place and this huge dog (looked like a Doberman mix of some type) charged me. Farging idiot neighbour with his hat on sideways comes strolling after it to get it under control. Dog runs away from him, circles around, and charges me again. I didn't eyeball it or try to run, but if it worked up the nerve to chomp me, I don't know howw that would have turned out.

In summary, fark dogs.



That is a jerk ass owner issue, not a dog issue.
 
2014-04-24 06:06:31 PM  
Dogs are capable of unconditional love. Cats are like women - they only love someone who has no interest in them.

/dog person
//cats love me
 
2014-04-24 06:07:47 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: FTFA:

Neurochemical research has shown that the hormone released when people are in love is released in animals in the same intimate circumstances.

Did they find this out when they were in their lab?


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-24 06:09:38 PM  
2tru
 
2014-04-24 06:12:47 PM  
My dog loves me.
I am my cat's favorite slave.
 
2014-04-24 06:13:02 PM  

gopher321: Was nearly attacked by a dog today on the way to work. Was standing just outside the new neighbours place and this huge dog (looked like a Doberman mix of some type) charged me. Farging idiot neighbour with his hat on sideways comes strolling after it to get it under control. Dog runs away from him, circles around, and charges me again. I didn't eyeball it or try to run, but if it worked up the nerve to chomp me, I don't know howw that would have turned out.

In summary, fark dogs.


Don't be tasty...
 
2014-04-24 06:15:09 PM  
Dogs are always Happy to see you when you come home. Cats just look at you like "Oh, it's just him." and go on about their business.
 
2014-04-24 06:16:35 PM  

gopher321: Was nearly attacked by a dog today on the way to work. Was standing just outside the new neighbours place and this huge dog (looked like a Doberman mix of some type) charged me. Farging idiot neighbour with his hat on sideways comes strolling after it to get it under control. Dog runs away from him, circles around, and charges me again. I didn't eyeball it or try to run, but if it worked up the nerve to chomp me, I don't know howw that would have turned out.

In summary, fark dogs.


you can either;

a. stop carrying a steak in your pocket.


b. i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-24 06:18:32 PM  

GRCooper: Dogs are capable of unconditional love. Cats are like women - they only love someone who has no interest in them.

/dog person
//cats love me


Cats love you when they want something from you. When it's feeding time, they're all over you. After they've eaten, they're nowhere to be found.
 
2014-04-24 06:25:20 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: GRCooper: Dogs are capable of unconditional love. Cats are like women - they only love someone who has no interest in them.

/dog person
//cats love me

Cats love you when they want something from you. When it's feeding time, they're all over you. After they've eaten, they're nowhere to be found.


My cat loves me, and she knows she can't hide when I want to love her. No, she can't hide..
 
2014-04-24 06:35:50 PM  
BadReligion:
That is a jerk ass owner issue, not a dog issue.

It's both by the point the dog starts chasing and pouncing people.

Bad owners ruin dogs to the point where nobody wants to rehabilitate them.

/Has a buddy with an incontinent dog because he refuses to discipline her.
//He refuses to be a pack leader so she shiats and pisses all over his house.
///I don't think she'll ever be house broken at this point.
 
2014-04-24 06:35:56 PM  

GRCooper: Dogs are capable of unconditional love. Cats are like women - they only love someone who has no interest in them.

/dog person
//cats love me


I have the same "problem" - the cat that is supposedly scared of everyone and hides whenever company comes over invariably ends up purring in my lap 30 seconds after I sit down.

/cats can't be trusted
 
2014-04-24 06:43:48 PM  

strangeluck: Danger Avoid Death: GRCooper: Dogs are capable of unconditional love. Cats are like women - they only love someone who has no interest in them.

/dog person
//cats love me

Cats love you when they want something from you. When it's feeding time, they're all over you. After they've eaten, they're nowhere to be found.

My cat loves me, and she knows she can't hide when I want to love her. No, she can't hide..


I definitely get the feeding time 'love' (which starts three hours beforehand if I'm home) but my cat is currently perched on my lap and purring for no reason other than he wants to be there. His 'brother' is a little shiat and only wants attention maybe once a day besides feeding times, and at that point look out, because he's probably damaging furniture to make sure you know it.

But my cat... my cat is very sweet. Except when he feels like also being a little shiat.
 
2014-04-24 06:48:17 PM  

fluffy2097: BadReligion:
That is a jerk ass owner issue, not a dog issue.

It's both by the point the dog starts chasing and pouncing people.

Bad owners ruin dogs to the point where nobody wants to rehabilitate them.

/Has a buddy with an incontinent dog because he refuses to discipline her.
//He refuses to be a pack leader so she shiats and pisses all over his house.
///I don't think she'll ever be house broken at this point.


Incontinence is a physical issue.  Not being house broken is a training issue.  You can't discipline away incontinence.  That's abuse.
 
2014-04-24 06:58:41 PM  
i527.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-24 07:03:32 PM  

mybabysmomma: You can't discipline away incontinence


She is not housebroken.

I say she is incontinent, only because she pees and shiats wherever she feels like it, not because she cannot control it.
 
2014-04-24 07:04:39 PM  

fluffy2097: Any idiot that has watched an animal for a while knows they feel pain, they fear, they get excited, they get sad, of course they love too.

Humans are animals, we feel these things. Why shouldn't dogs and cats?


The important factor here is HOW love is manifested. If it is the case that in people oxytocin promotes emotional bonding, trust, etc., then it's reasonable to assume that it produces similar emotional response in other mammals. It's not a question of whether but of how.

People tend to have this notion of our emotions as the result of our superior intellect and evolution. Dogwash. Emotions are far more ancient than reason. If anything, reason has a long evolutionary road to travel before we can reliably act on it.*

*See Spock, et al.
 
2014-04-24 07:10:40 PM  

fluffy2097: mybabysmomma: You can't discipline away incontinence

She is not housebroken.

I say she is incontinent, only because she pees and shiats wherever she feels like it, not because she cannot control it.


I've know a few female dogs get UTI, which will cause them to feel urgency and urinate as soon as possible... if the owner can't be bothered to train her, it seems likely the owner wouldn't notice signs of illness; different kind of abuse :[
 
2014-04-24 07:22:59 PM  
Don't anthropomorphize animals.  They hate that.
 
2014-04-24 07:23:39 PM  

exactly three days: fluffy2097: mybabysmomma: You can't discipline away incontinence

She is not housebroken.

I say she is incontinent, only because she pees and shiats wherever she feels like it, not because she cannot control it.

I've know a few female dogs get UTI, which will cause them to feel urgency and urinate as soon as possible... if the owner can't be bothered to train her, it seems likely the owner wouldn't notice signs of illness; different kind of abuse :[


This is three different issues; a UTI is an infection that gets treated and goes away. Incontinence usually comes with age, can be treated with medication but usually lasts the lifetime of the dog. And housetraining, which it sounds like this guy didn't do. Not everyone realizes dogs don't come home fully trained and ready to go!
 
2014-04-24 07:31:25 PM  

iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?


Very much no. They hold grudges for years. Well, our family's does, anyway.
 
2014-04-24 07:44:16 PM  
I'm a dog person, and I'm pretty sure that dogs are capable of loving their people, and I know that even three years later, I still miss my last dog.

At least I'm sure our Lab did, the Berner..well, she loved herself...what a dog.

Interesting that people trust dog owners more than non-owners.  Had not thought of that but a mans dog says a lot about him, it's true.
 
2014-04-24 07:58:35 PM  

cptjeff: iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?

Very much no. They hold grudges for years. Well, our family's does, anyway.


I submit to you a horrible YouTube video about science and cats. They say 10 minutes; but, who knows if that's right.

/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgtNV1X1k7s&sns=em (copy/pasta)
 
2014-04-24 08:01:49 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Don't anthropomorphize animals.  They hate that.


Acknowledging animals have emotions, personalities and feelings is not anthropomorphizing them asshole, it's acknowledging they can feel, hurt and love, just like humans. Another type of animal.
 
2014-04-24 08:02:48 PM  

bmwericus: Had not thought of that but a mans dog says a lot about him, it's true.


Says a lot about what they want people to think of them.
 
2014-04-24 08:15:18 PM  

bmwericus: I'm a dog person, and I'm pretty sure that dogs are capable of loving their people, and I know that even three years later, I still miss my last dog.

At least I'm sure our Lab did, the Berner..well, she loved herself...what a dog.

Interesting that people trust dog owners more than non-owners.  Had not thought of that but a mans dog says a lot about him, it's true.


So if your dog likes to eat poop?

I'm asking, you know, for a friend.
 
2014-04-24 08:16:10 PM  
My wife often sulks when she goes to bed to find me and the dog spooning snoring our heads off. My dog wuvs me. Especially after I bath her.
 
2014-04-24 08:24:15 PM  

Isitoveryet: gopher321: Was nearly attacked by a dog today on the way to work. Was standing just outside the new neighbours place and this huge dog (looked like a Doberman mix of some type) charged me. Farging idiot neighbour with his hat on sideways comes strolling after it to get it under control. Dog runs away from him, circles around, and charges me again. I didn't eyeball it or try to run, but if it worked up the nerve to chomp me, I don't know howw that would have turned out.

In summary, fark dogs.

you can either;

a. stop carrying a steak in your pocket.


b.


I wonder how a tazer works on a dog...
 
2014-04-24 08:25:15 PM  

iheartscotch: cptjeff: iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?

Very much no. They hold grudges for years. Well, our family's does, anyway.

I submit to you a horrible YouTube video about science and cats. They say 10 minutes; but, who knows if that's right.

/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgtNV1X1k7s&sns=em (copy/pasta)


The citation on that video is an article on a study referring to short term visual memory only, based on one unusually odd experimental setup that yielded close to the exact same result across a wide variety of very different species, draws analogies to human behavior that's actually governed by long term memory, doesn't look at conscious/unconscious retention... Yeah, there are a lot of gaping holes in that study, and I wouldn't give it much credit. The other stuff they cite has some issues too.

Keep in mind that until about 2 years ago, scientists denied that dogs and cats could feel any emotions at all. Then they discovered dogs could feel jealousy (seriously, that was the first one they confirmed). Now every couple of months we roll out with something like this, a new emotion we suddenly learn pets are capable of feeling. Except that everybody who didn't have a microscope up their ass had known those things for thousands of years. Science still denies that cats can taste sweet, for example. I'm sure you've heard that one, but I bet you haven't heard the basis for it- it's because they don't have the same enzyme and receptor that we use to taste sweet flavors. As if our way of tasting sugar is the only possible way. Of course, many a cat owner will tell you about the time that the cat decided that licking the cream filling out of donuts would be fun, or the time they got into the pie, or the time the cooling cookies got a little nibbled. It does not take a genius to see that dogs and cats do very plainly have emotions and distinct personalities (also something science has denied until very recently). Point is, a lot of established science on this subject is turning out to be laughably wrong. As it turns out, neurological research is hard, and a lot of the stuff we know about the human brain doesn't apply very well when studying brains with completely different structures. Take any claims that fly directly in the face the observed experience of billions of people with a grain of salt, is all I'm saying. Remember your sanity checks- if the answer looks really wrong, it probably is.
 
2014-04-24 08:29:29 PM  

cuzsis: bmwericus: I'm a dog person, and I'm pretty sure that dogs are capable of loving their people, and I know that even three years later, I still miss my last dog.

At least I'm sure our Lab did, the Berner..well, she loved herself...what a dog.

Interesting that people trust dog owners more than non-owners.  Had not thought of that but a mans dog says a lot about him, it's true.

So if your dog likes to eat poop?

I'm asking, you know, for a friend.


Then it must be a German Shepherd.
 
2014-04-24 08:31:45 PM  

Torqueknot: Parthenogenetic: Don't anthropomorphize animals.  They hate that.

Acknowledging animals have emotions, personalities and feelings is not anthropomorphizing them asshole, it's acknowledging they can feel, hurt and love, just like humans. Another type of animal.


Swiiiiiiing and a miss!
 
2014-04-24 08:33:28 PM  

iheartscotch: cptjeff: iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?

Very much no. They hold grudges for years. Well, our family's does, anyway.

I submit to you a horrible YouTube video about science and cats. They say 10 minutes; but, who knows if that's right.

/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgtNV1X1k7s&sns=em (copy/pasta)



I don't know that they need to remember the actual incident that made them hate you, they just need to remember that they hated you 10 minutes ago.

/1 10-yr old dog + 2 10-month old kittens
//The kittens LOVE the dog and the dog loves his kitties (but please, no cuddling!)
 
2014-04-24 08:49:34 PM  

NotARocketScientist: iheartscotch: cptjeff: iheartscotch: Don't cats have a memory limit of 10 minutes?

Very much no. They hold grudges for years. Well, our family's does, anyway.

I submit to you a horrible YouTube video about science and cats. They say 10 minutes; but, who knows if that's right.

/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgtNV1X1k7s&sns=em (copy/pasta)


I don't know that they need to remember the actual incident that made them hate you, they just need to remember that they hated you 10 minutes ago.

/1 10-yr old dog + 2 10-month old kittens
//The kittens LOVE the dog and the dog loves his kitties (but please, no cuddling!)


They do remember the incident. One example: My Dad accidentally spilled a small amount of coffee on the cat once. Took her about a decade before she sat on his lap while he was drinking coffee again, and even then, it was with repeated nervous glances at the coffee cup. She was perfectly fine being around him on any other occasion, but it was very clear that she remembered that incident and was holding it against him. Until she decided massages were worth the risk, I guess.
 
2014-04-24 09:25:27 PM  
FTFA: "If animals caused oxytocin release in humans, it would explain my surprise attachment to my dog Teddy, and perhaps why people spend thousands of dollars to treat a pet medically rather than euthanize it and simply get a new animal."

I bet I know where he got the name.


/could be wrong, but it is still cool.
 
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