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(Telegraph)   Germany halts weapons exports to Russia. In other news, Germany was exporting weapons to Russia   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 42
    More: Scary, Russia, arms exports, Angela Merkel, Die Zeit, finance ministry, William Hague, embargo, small arms  
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2014-04-24 02:14:45 PM  
Crimea river.
 
2014-04-24 02:17:35 PM  
The Germans make pretty good guns, too.
 
2014-04-24 02:17:45 PM  
They made their bed. Now go lie in it.
 
2014-04-24 02:18:05 PM  
Maybe they can claim they were "dual-use" just like the US did when sending WMD pre-cursors to Iraq.
 
2014-04-24 02:18:25 PM  
So the same thing as everyone else in the Americas and Europe was doing.
 
2014-04-24 02:22:34 PM  
They still plan to export missiles and bombs to Russia, just faster and with less packaging.
 
2014-04-24 02:34:06 PM  

palelizard: The Germans make pretty good guns, too.


The upside I see is that the Germans so over-engineered the guns it'll take the Russians forever to reverse-engineer.

/"screw it, build more T-34s"
 
2014-04-24 02:51:10 PM  

whither_apophis: palelizard: The Germans make pretty good guns, too.

The upside I see is that the Germans so over-engineered the guns it'll take the Russians forever to reverse-engineer.

/"screw it, build more T-34s"


"The threads on this screw need to be .2 millimeters?  .5 is pretty close to that, go with that, it will take less time."
 
2014-04-24 03:25:51 PM  

LucklessWonder: Crimea river.


I think this is pretty well played out by now.  We need a new pun.
 
2014-04-24 03:30:24 PM  

Gergesa: LucklessWonder: Crimea river.

I think this is pretty well played out by now.  We need a new pun.


Donetsk us to come up with anything.

Anyway, on to more important matters - This.

In other news, headline originality is dead.
 
2014-04-24 03:33:40 PM  
You know who else exported weapons to Russia?


/speaking of originality
 
2014-04-24 03:44:10 PM  

palelizard: The Germans make pretty good guns, too.


Rheinmetall makes such good guns that they arm the M1 Abrams family of tanks.

www.militaryphotos.net

Death from above, biatches!
 
2014-04-24 04:00:20 PM  
Germany exports weapons to everyone.

When Greece was utterly bankrupt and couldn't afford to even buy medicine, Merkel flew there to make sure they were still going to pay for all the tanks and submarines they ordered.
 
2014-04-24 04:09:44 PM  
Reading the article, it looks like the weapons in question were merely small arms (IE, handguns or rifles).
 
2014-04-24 04:14:17 PM  

Geotpf: Reading the article, it looks like the weapons in question were merely small arms (IE, handguns or rifles).


Pretty much this. Maybe this is not quite on topic, but a friend of mine was a big Kalishnikov fan, and his prize was an East German-made AKM. He told me that German made AK-series rifles are prized and are  more reliable and better made than Russian or Chinese made AK's.

I wonder if German gun manufacturers were still producing AK/AN series rifles?
 
2014-04-24 04:14:55 PM  
This is bad news... for Poland.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-04-24 04:44:11 PM  
When DIDN'T Germany export weapons to everyone?
 
2014-04-24 04:48:23 PM  

palelizard: The Germans make pretty good guns, too.


And I don't know what decade/century  subby is living in but ever since being handed their asses in WWII and kicking the Commies out of East Germany, Germans have been pretty chilled out as a whole (granted there still is some really creepy anti-immigrant racism going on but largely it's been kept out of policymaking).
 
2014-04-24 05:17:26 PM  
Arms exports should be completely illegal. Countries that profit off war are simply perpetrating it.
 
2014-04-24 05:38:43 PM  
Everybody loves those Krupp guns, except for the boys in the trenches
 
2014-04-24 05:46:43 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Germany exports weapons to everyone.


So does the US.  Including to Russia.  Hard to be picky if the US wants to hold its spot as the largest arms seller on the planet.   Similarly, Russia sells to everyone, including the US.  The helicopters we give to the Afghans, for example?  Russian.  So does Israel, even to often hostile neighbors such as Egypt.  The UAE doesn't recognize Israel as a state, but that doesn't stop Israel from selling them arms.  Etc., etc., etc.  And we all sell to the Middle East, South America, and Africa, even as we make grand gestures about trying to create peace there.

The global arms market isn't the place to look for a moral high ground.
 
2014-04-24 05:48:17 PM  

whidbey: Arms exports should be completely illegal. Countries that profit off war are simply perpetrating it.


Most firearms manufacturers are private companies, including German ones.
 
2014-04-24 05:49:15 PM  

palelizard: whither_apophis: palelizard: The Germans make pretty good guns, too.

The upside I see is that the Germans so over-engineered the guns it'll take the Russians forever to reverse-engineer.

/"screw it, build more T-34s"

"The threads on this screw need to be .2 millimeters?  .5 is pretty close to that, go with that, it will take less time."


i use to work on the Belarus tractor line. overly massive, roughly built but the fuel injectors were as precision as anybody else. when they had to they could be good machinists. and their cranks were bullet proof. hardest crankshafts you ever saw.
 
2014-04-24 05:56:18 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: whidbey: Arms exports should be completely illegal. Countries that profit off war are simply perpetrating it.

Most firearms manufacturers are private companies, including German ones.


It would be a tough market to restrict. There's already a huge black market in weapons even WITH an open market. Make it illegal and you'd have weapons wars around the globe.
 
2014-04-24 06:20:01 PM  
They've been best buddies before:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-24 07:56:33 PM  
the germans need to find another expatriate russian with crazed ideas about giving power back to the workers and sneak him over the russian border again

/worked last time. kinda sorta
 
2014-04-24 08:58:49 PM  

Omahawg: the germans need to find another expatriate russian with crazed ideas about giving power back to the workers and sneak him over the russian border again

/worked last time. kinda sorta


No, it didn't!

Good god, man, do you want to end up in Afghanistan in another 80 years AGAIN?
 
2014-04-24 09:34:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Omahawg: the germans need to find another expatriate russian with crazed ideas about giving power back to the workers and sneak him over the russian border again

/worked last time. kinda sorta

No, it didn't!

Good god, man, do you want to end up in Afghanistan in another 80 years AGAIN?


Depends on what your goal is, I guess.
 
2014-04-24 09:50:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Omahawg: the germans need to find another expatriate russian with crazed ideas about giving power back to the workers and sneak him over the russian border again

/worked last time. kinda sorta

No, it didn't!

Good god, man, do you want to end up in Afghanistan in another 80 years AGAIN?


Wasn't this the plot of Battlestar Galactica?
 
2014-04-24 10:14:19 PM  
Did they send them any ich luege bullets?
 
2014-04-24 10:19:40 PM  

BigLuca: Gyrfalcon: Omahawg: the germans need to find another expatriate russian with crazed ideas about giving power back to the workers and sneak him over the russian border again

/worked last time. kinda sorta

No, it didn't!

Good god, man, do you want to end up in Afghanistan in another 80 years AGAIN?

Wasn't this the plot of Battlestar Galactica?


See, we'd have to go through all that again too!
 
2014-04-24 11:48:11 PM  

Emposter: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Germany exports weapons to everyone.

So does the US.  Including to Russia.  Hard to be picky if the US wants to hold its spot as the largest arms seller on the planet.   Similarly, Russia sells to everyone, including the US.  The helicopters we give to the Afghans, for example?  Russian.  So does Israel, even to often hostile neighbors such as Egypt.  The UAE doesn't recognize Israel as a state, but that doesn't stop Israel from selling them arms.  Etc., etc., etc.  And we all sell to the Middle East, South America, and Africa, even as we make grand gestures about trying to create peace there.

The global arms market isn't the place to look for a moral high ground.


What happens if we go to war with someone that makes our arms? If I recall, the Baretta side arm wasn't a US made gun, would we just bring out the old 1911s in its place if we had gone to war with Italy?
 
2014-04-25 12:01:38 AM  

Aar1012: Emposter: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Germany exports weapons to everyone.

So does the US.  Including to Russia.  Hard to be picky if the US wants to hold its spot as the largest arms seller on the planet.   Similarly, Russia sells to everyone, including the US.  The helicopters we give to the Afghans, for example?  Russian.  So does Israel, even to often hostile neighbors such as Egypt.  The UAE doesn't recognize Israel as a state, but that doesn't stop Israel from selling them arms.  Etc., etc., etc.  And we all sell to the Middle East, South America, and Africa, even as we make grand gestures about trying to create peace there.

The global arms market isn't the place to look for a moral high ground.

What happens if we go to war with someone that makes our arms? If I recall, the Baretta side arm wasn't a US made gun, would we just bring out the old 1911s in its place if we had gone to war with Italy?


I assume we would buy from someone else, or make whatever it was ourselves, though it might cost more that way.  It's not like there aren't alternatives for just about everything.

I'll say up front I'm not an expert on this particular subject, but from what I understand, various Buy American rules mean we probably buy most of our finished military products domestically.  I suspect that losing a supplier nation would be more likely to have an affect on components of larger products.  For example, if we were to buy a part of a missile guidance system from South Korea, and 10 years from now South Korea fell to North Korea.  We might either make the part ourselves, or switch to buying it from Taiwan.
 
2014-04-25 04:20:20 AM  

Emposter: Aar1012: Emposter: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Germany exports weapons to everyone.

So does the US.  Including to Russia.  Hard to be picky if the US wants to hold its spot as the largest arms seller on the planet.   Similarly, Russia sells to everyone, including the US.  The helicopters we give to the Afghans, for example?  Russian.  So does Israel, even to often hostile neighbors such as Egypt.  The UAE doesn't recognize Israel as a state, but that doesn't stop Israel from selling them arms.  Etc., etc., etc.  And we all sell to the Middle East, South America, and Africa, even as we make grand gestures about trying to create peace there.

The global arms market isn't the place to look for a moral high ground.

What happens if we go to war with someone that makes our arms? If I recall, the Baretta side arm wasn't a US made gun, would we just bring out the old 1911s in its place if we had gone to war with Italy?

I assume we would buy from someone else, or make whatever it was ourselves, though it might cost more that way.  It's not like there aren't alternatives for just about everything.

I'll say up front I'm not an expert on this particular subject, but from what I understand, various Buy American rules mean we probably buy most of our finished military products domestically.  I suspect that losing a supplier nation would be more likely to have an affect on components of larger products.  For example, if we were to buy a part of a missile guidance system from South Korea, and 10 years from now South Korea fell to North Korea.  We might either make the part ourselves, or switch to buying it from Taiwan.


Take a look at what happened in WWI when Britain suddenly found itself unable to buy munitions from Krupp, that might answer your question.
 
2014-04-25 07:32:15 AM  
I just want to add that in the last couple of days the tone of Russian media, targeting Russia itself, have become more aggressive. Talks about the necessity of, may be, potentially, peacekeeping forces appeared.

It may be a reaction to Ukraine trying to be more aggressive towards separatist, trying to scare Ukraine, it may be ramping up Eastern Ukrainians in an attempt to influence elections; but it may also mean that Russia seriously thinking about, well, you know. Peacekeeping.

Russia is very jealous of US peacekeeping across the world, it wants to peacekeep a little bit herself...
 
2014-04-25 07:38:48 AM  

Grahor: Russia is very jealous of US peacekeeping annexing foreign territory across the world, it wants to peacekeep annex foreign territory

  a little bit herself...

Nobody here is buying what you're selling. There's one other Russian Empire defender who frequents these threads, but you don't need to preach to him.
 
2014-04-25 07:59:52 AM  

Wooly Bully: Grahor: Russia is very jealous of US peacekeeping annexing foreign territory across the world, it wants to peacekeep annex foreign territory  a little bit herself...

Nobody here is buying what you're selling. There's one other Russian Empire defender who frequents these threads, but you don't need to preach to him.


I think Putin will take the following lands before he kicks the bucket (one way or another):

Southern Ukraine (Donetsk to Odessa), Moldova, Kazakhstan (if not the whole thing, then down to baikanur and along the border), and Belarus (after Lukashenka has a untimely heart attack).

Those are easy to control regions. I doubt he wants a Ukrainian insurgency in the west and a Muslim one in the 'stans...nor can Russia afford it unless they go all genocide-y....
 
2014-04-25 08:37:08 AM  

Grahor: I just want to add that in the last couple of days the tone of Russian media, targeting Russia itself, have become more aggressive. Talks about the necessity of, may be, potentially, peacekeeping forces appeared.

It may be a reaction to Ukraine trying to be more aggressive towards separatist, trying to scare Ukraine, it may be ramping up Eastern Ukrainians in an attempt to influence elections; but it may also mean that Russia seriously thinking about, well, you know. Peacekeeping.

Russia is very jealous of US peacekeeping across the world, it wants to peacekeep a little bit herself...


"Separatist"? You mean the people in Russia military uniforms, who tell reporters their Russian military when asked, and are occasionally caught on camera with Russia military insignia on their clothes? You mean those separatist? I honestly don't know who you stupid Muscovite bastards think you're fooling with this bullshiat. Though given your last sentence you probably just think it's hilarious. Given that the majority of you are drunks and bullies, and that you're all so used to thanking your tyrants for the lash at this point in your long history of providing the necks for their boots to step on, you personally finding invasion-by-"quit hitting yourself" chuckle-worthy rather than morally reprehensible really shouldn't be surprising. Better them than you, right? Good luck living off such boot-licking when your economy falls through the floor, again, and Putin and his ilk -who are already robbing Russia blind- kick their theft into over-drive.
 
2014-04-25 08:53:42 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: This is bad news... for Poland.


Stalin really should have worn a wedding dress more.
 
2014-04-25 08:55:39 AM  
Grahor: ...


i.chzbgr.com
 
2014-04-25 11:21:45 AM  

ahabtrudge: Grahor: ...


[i.chzbgr.com image 500x383]


I must have misunderstood something. I'm writing the post that Russia, jealous of USA's status of superpower and wanting to be at least a bully in their own small pond apparently prepares for invasion, or at least tries to scare Ukraine into thinking that it prepares, and you post pictures that I'm "got told"?

Well... What exactly was I told?
 
2014-04-25 11:50:13 AM  
*sigh* I see I have a fan.

Heron: "Separatist"? You mean the people in Russia military uniforms, who tell reporters their Russian military when asked, and are occasionally caught on camera with Russia military insignia on their clothes? You mean those separatist? I honestly don't know who you stupid Muscovite bastards think you're fooling with this bullshiat.


Well, that particular part of propaganda was meant for consumption inside Russia, of course. And it's working. As for the name "separatist", that's how the armed pro-Russian people in East Ukraine currently are called on Ukrainian forums, so I kind of used the common word.

Heron: Though given your last sentence you probably just think it's hilarious.


I think it's bitterly ironic. Even Russians who do understand that it's the invasion, justify it to themselves by pointing that US has no problem invading, and simply shut you down if you try to say that it's not the same thing. There is absolutely no way to prove to them that it's not the same.

Heron: Given that the majority of you are drunks and bullies, and that you're all so used to thanking your tyrants for the lash at this point in your long history of providing the necks for their boots to step on, you personally finding invasion-by-"quit hitting yourself" chuckle-worthy rather than morally reprehensible really shouldn't be surprising.


I find it morally reprehensible, but I also find it chuckle-worthy that a country have put itself in the position where it can be successfully invaded and destroyed by a couple of hundreds of organized terrorists/separatists. It's a bitter humor, but what else can I do? Cry?

Heron: Better them than you, right?


Well, actually, yeah. Better them (Ukraine) than us (Latvia). Still, even though we aren't in danger currently, same sanctions that hit Russian economy are also devastating ours - we'll probably see a contraction of 3+% next year. Another depression, right after 2008... Again, I can laugh or cry, and what's the point crying?

Heron: Good luck living off such boot-licking when your economy falls through the floor, again, and Putin and his ilk -who are already robbing Russia blind- kick their theft into over-drive.


Don't worry, Russians will know who to blame. The West, of course. Propaganda machine will tell them. And the funny thing is, when it happened in the Soviet times, there was no access to Western media. Now there is. Western media - Euronews, CNN, BBC, they all are accessible to everyone in Russia, in Russian language. It's just nobody believes them, the vast majority of Russians simply consider them the propaganda machine of the "other side". Don't you think it's ironic?

No, you probably don't think so. :) I guess you'll just respond with more attempts to offend me, as if trying to offend Russians may ever offend me. :)
 
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