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(New York Daily News)   Muslim cleric says 9/11 museum video on Al Queda will cause prejudiced views, as if New Yorkers had nice thoughts about an organization that flew jets into the two biggest towers in Manhattan   ( nydailynews.com) divider line
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2014-04-24 07:42:11 AM  
FTFA: The film also includes interviews with sources that are translated in heavily foreign-accented English.

It's a valid complaint.  We should make up a new accent for crazy people, and when a group shows itself to be crazy to, say, 90% of nations, we should dub them in this accent.  When people bring up groups like Al Qaeda, or the IRA we can say "oh yeah, they started Muslim extremist and Irish separatist, but they switched to crazy."
 
2014-04-24 07:59:42 AM  

staplermofo: We should make up a new accent for crazy people, and when a group shows itself to be crazy to, say, 90% of nations, we should dub them in this accent.


I hear Victoria Jackson is looking for work.
 
2014-04-24 08:44:55 AM  
FTFA: After attending a screening of the film - "The Rise of Al Qaeda" - the religious leader objected to how it called the terrorists "Islamists" and described their killer mission as "jihad."

He's not upset about offending Qaedans, Submitter. He's upset that the film will accidentally  legitimate them, which in turn will needlessly offend Muslims. The term "Islamist" refers to a broad decades-old cultural movement in the post-Nasser era to revitalize national cultures through facets of Islamic culture.Its  He doesn't want terrorists poaching on a movement they aren't associated with. In the same vein, an official film describing the attacks as "jihad" is going to give these assholes far more credibility than they deserve since the vast majority of Muslims don't accept them as legit  Muslims and their attacks as legit "jihad." Jihad has specific legal requirements and meanings that Qaedans don't meet. There are perfectly accurate ways of discussing the attacks that don't confuse categories and legitimate Al-Qaeda.
 
2014-04-24 09:08:25 AM  
Before you take the boat out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor, you have to sit through a 23 minute documentary on the attack which cuts through a lot of external facts on the relationship between the US and Japan to go straight to what happened on December 7th, 1941.  It's full of footage taken before during and after the attack and makes clear to one and all that Japan was the villain of the piece.  Among the millions of visitors to the Arizona there are usually groups from Japan who start out their tour talkative and chatty amongst themselve.  By the time the film goes off and the lights come on and you begin walking out to the boat to take you to the memorial, those once talkative Japanese are decidedly tight-lipped.
 
2014-04-24 09:55:14 AM  
Well maybe New Yorkers should ask themselves why they hate us.
 
2014-04-24 09:56:58 AM  
On one hand, all the muslims I've met were great.

On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.

If you want your religion to be smiled upon, maybe don't be the same religion as all the bad people since WW2
 
2014-04-24 09:57:11 AM  

Prey4reign: Before you take the boat out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor, you have to sit through a 23 minute documentary on the attack which cuts through a lot of external facts on the relationship between the US and Japan to go straight to what happened on December 7th, 1941.  It's full of footage taken before during and after the attack and makes clear to one and all that Japan was the villain of the piece.  Among the millions of visitors to the Arizona there are usually groups from Japan who start out their tour talkative and chatty amongst themselve.  By the time the film goes off and the lights come on and you begin walking out to the boat to take you to the memorial, those once talkative Japanese are decidedly tight-lipped.


Yeah, it's all fun and games until someone loses a war.

// oops, too soon?
 
2014-04-24 09:59:13 AM  

doglover: all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.


I didn't know you were a muslim.  That's fascinating.
 
2014-04-24 10:00:34 AM  
FTFA:

Williams narrates over images of terrorist training camps and footage from prior Al Qaeda atrocities.

Well that's certainly fair and balanced...

a·troc·i·ty
əˈträsitē/
noun
noun: atrocity; plural noun: atrocities
1
.
an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.
 
2014-04-24 10:01:46 AM  

LeroyB: Prey4reign: Before you take the boat out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor, you have to sit through a 23 minute documentary on the attack which cuts through a lot of external facts on the relationship between the US and Japan to go straight to what happened on December 7th, 1941.  It's full of footage taken before during and after the attack and makes clear to one and all that Japan was the villain of the piece.  Among the millions of visitors to the Arizona there are usually groups from Japan who start out their tour talkative and chatty amongst themselve.  By the time the film goes off and the lights come on and you begin walking out to the boat to take you to the memorial, those once talkative Japanese are decidedly tight-lipped.

Yeah, it's all fun and games until someone loses a war.

// oops, too soon?


Do we tell them how to portray the atomic attacks Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  I'm betting there's a bit of a bias in the presentation.
 
2014-04-24 10:01:57 AM  

doglover: On one hand, all the muslims I've met were great.

On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.

If you want your religion to be smiled upon, maybe don't be the same religion as all the bad people since WW2


Mao? Kim Il Sung? Pol Pot?
 
2014-04-24 10:02:29 AM  
Al Queda?  That spelling looks new
 
2014-04-24 10:02:40 AM  
Well, ha has a point, but his premise is flawed and a conclusion based on a flawed premise can never be right. But too many people in America truly believe that al-Qaeda (no Daily News, it isn't "Al Queda") equals Islam. They are just the Islam's Westboro Baptist Church, with more members, better weapons, smarter leaders and better funding.
 
2014-04-24 10:03:02 AM  
Maybe Blasio should ban Islamophobia.

/hey, it worked for Bloomberg and 32 oz. soft drinks
 
2014-04-24 10:03:13 AM  

Prey4reign: Among the millions of visitors to the Arizona there are usually groups from Japan who start out their tour talkative and chatty amongst themselve. By the time the film goes off and the lights come on and you begin walking out to the boat to take you to the memorial, those once talkative Japanese are decidedly tight-lipped.


Mind if I ask how you know this? How many times have you seen this movie with talkative Japanese and how many times have you seen it with quiet Japanese? How many times have you seen it with talkative Japanese who then became quiet? How many times have you seen it with no Japanese in the audience at all?
 
2014-04-24 10:04:53 AM  

staplermofo: FTFA: The film also includes interviews with sources that are translated in heavily foreign-accented English.

It's a valid complaint.  We should make up a new accent for crazy people, and when a group shows itself to be crazy to, say, 90% of nations, we should dub them in this accent.  When people bring up groups like Al Qaeda, or the IRA we can say "oh yeah, they started Muslim extremist and Irish separatist, but they switched to crazy."


Done in one.
 
2014-04-24 10:06:39 AM  

CruJones: Al Queda?  That spelling looks new


A Q without a U is downright un-Christian.
 
Skr
2014-04-24 10:08:10 AM  

staplermofo: FTFA: The film also includes interviews with sources that are translated in heavily foreign-accented English.

It's a valid complaint.  We should make up a new accent for crazy people, and when a group shows itself to be crazy to, say, 90% of nations, we should dub them in this accent.  When people bring up groups like Al Qaeda, or the IRA we can say "oh yeah, they started Muslim extremist and Irish separatist, but they switched to crazy."


For transcripts, I nominate Comic Sans as the Crazy Flavor Text.
 
2014-04-24 10:08:54 AM  
Muslims and FARK agree. Calling terrorists, terrorists ist verboten
 
2014-04-24 10:09:08 AM  
If they determine it's a case of clerical error, do they change the video or not?
 
2014-04-24 10:09:48 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Maybe Blasio should ban Islamophobia.

/hey, it worked for Bloomberg and 32 oz. soft drinks


Close Gitmo, then get the al-Qaeda prisoners to drag the carriages around Central Park. Problem solved.
 
2014-04-24 10:11:05 AM  
This just in..... NYC says Muslim Cleric can suck their collective balls.
 
2014-04-24 10:11:07 AM  
And they will know we are Christians by our love
 
2014-04-24 10:11:11 AM  
They WERE the biggest
 
2014-04-24 10:12:18 AM  
Somacandra [TotalFark]

He's upset that the film will accidentally legitimate them, which in turn will needlessly offend Muslims.
ROTFL.

There's FARK's big concern, making sure it doesn't offend the two protected* fark religions.

* islam and anthropogenic global warming
 
2014-04-24 10:13:20 AM  
I'm picturing a guy in Mexico named Al Queda. He's probably nice enough, not too bright, likes his beer, works hard, not in as good a shape as he used to be.
 
2014-04-24 10:14:07 AM  
Aww boo farking hoo.... Why does everything in this country have to be geared towards "not offending anyone" or "not hurting anyone's feelings" or "making everyone feel special." If the shoe fits, wear it I say. You Muslim bastards claim that your religion is all peaceful and non violent yet it was a major factor in why Osama and those other mud hut dwelling sand people perpetrated the attacks in the first place. Every religion has their extremists, but Muslim extremists seem to be the most violent, ignorant, and hate filled ones out of the lot.
 
2014-04-24 10:14:52 AM  
Maybe if they changed their name to All Kinder and wore those hats that hold two beer cans, folks would find them more palatable and lest apt to hold a grudge.
 
2014-04-24 10:14:52 AM  
Doesn't he have a filthy grocery store to run somewhere, instead of spouting off?
 
2014-04-24 10:15:39 AM  
Did any of these clerics condemn the attacks?  No?  Fark 'em!
 
2014-04-24 10:16:22 AM  
It's a good thing they have that shiny new mosque at Ground Zero to offer a differing view.
 
2014-04-24 10:17:00 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: doglover: On one hand, all the muslims I've met were great.

On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.

If you want your religion to be smiled upon, maybe don't be the same religion as all the bad people since WW2

Mao? Kim Il Sung? Pol Pot?


Yeah, I don't think logdover thought that all the way through before writing it.
 
2014-04-24 10:18:14 AM  

Geoff Peterson: FTFA:

Williams narrates over images of terrorist training camps and footage from prior Al Qaeda atrocities.

Well that's certainly fair and balanced...

a·troc·i·ty
əˈträsitē/
noun
noun: atrocity; plural noun: atrocities
1.
an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.


It isn't "fair and balanced" to point out their atrocities?

Do you think "fair and balanced" means to cover up, ignore or sugar coat what they have done?


Somacandra: FTFA: After attending a screening of the film - "The Rise of Al Qaeda" - the religious leader objected to how it called the terrorists "Islamists" and described their killer mission as "jihad."

He's not upset about offending Qaedans, Submitter. He's upset that the film will accidentally  legitimate them, which in turn will needlessly offend Muslims. The term "Islamist" refers to a broad decades-old cultural movement in the post-Nasser era to revitalize national cultures through facets of Islamic culture.Its He doesn't want terrorists poaching on a movement they aren't associated with. In the same vein, an official film describing the attacks as "jihad" is going to give these assholes far more credibility than they deserve since the vast majority of Muslims don't accept them as legit  Muslims and their attacks as legit "jihad." Jihad has specific legal requirements and meanings that Qaedans don't meet. There are perfectly accurate ways of discussing the attacks that don't confuse categories and legitimate Al-Qaeda.


Which Islamist movement hasn't been filled with extremists?

And the fact is Osama Bin Laden still had a lot of support from Muslims after 9/11.

This shows data from 03 on, but from my experience living in Egypt and Indonesia it was quite a bit higher before that.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8234010/Muslim-cleric-says-911-museum-vi d eo-on-Al-Queda-will-cause-prejudiced-views-as-if-New-Yorkers-had-nice- thoughts-about-an-organization-that-flew-jets-into-two-biggest-towers- in-Manhattan

But keep pretending it has nothing to do with religion.
 
2014-04-24 10:18:59 AM  

JackieRabbit: but his premise is flawed and a conclusion based on a flawed premise can never be right.


I've never seen a ripe banana before but every boat I have ever seen is yellow.  Operating under the premise that everything that starts with the letter 'B' is yellow, I come to the conclusion that ripe bananas are yellow.
 
2014-04-24 10:19:03 AM  

Somacandra: FTFA: After attending a screening of the film - "The Rise of Al Qaeda" - the religious leader objected to how it called the terrorists "Islamists" and described their killer mission as "jihad."

He's not upset about offending Qaedans, Submitter. He's upset that the film will accidentally  legitimate them, which in turn will needlessly offend Muslims. The term "Islamist" refers to a broad decades-old cultural movement in the post-Nasser era to revitalize national cultures through facets of Islamic culture.Its  He doesn't want terrorists poaching on a movement they aren't associated with. In the same vein, an official film describing the attacks as "jihad" is going to give these assholes far more credibility than they deserve since the vast majority of Muslims don't accept them as legit  Muslims and their attacks as legit "jihad." Jihad has specific legal requirements and meanings that Qaedans don't meet. There are perfectly accurate ways of discussing the attacks that don't confuse categories and legitimate Al-Qaeda.


And now you're have the Conservative cry babies whining that non-conservatives are protecting Islam, because you know, trying to be fair is a liberal trait.
 
2014-04-24 10:20:51 AM  

doglover: On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.


Some notable bad "Christians"



webspace.webring.com



Tim McVeigh -  Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York



www.rawstory.com



Generic KKK - Good ole Christian boys having a little fun



upload.wikimedia.org



Fred Phelps. Nuff said.



upload.wikimedia.org



Eric Rudolph. The olympic park bomber. Part of (Christian Identity Movement) bombed abortion clinics


upload.wikimedia.org


Dennis Raider - BTK Serial Killer-  Member of Christ Lutheran Church - President of the congregation council.



But please, go on.
 
2014-04-24 10:20:54 AM  

Crewmannumber6: And they will know we are Christians by our love


It brings us love!...KILL IT!
 
2014-04-24 10:22:17 AM  

liam76: Which Islamist movement hasn't been filled with extremists?


And follow-up question, do you think the restrictions on women from face coverings to banning from work/school that goes hand in ahnd with islamitization really revitializes any "national" culture?
 
2014-04-24 10:22:20 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: doglover: On one hand, all the muslims I've met were great.

On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.

If you want your religion to be smiled upon, maybe don't be the same religion as all the bad people since WW2

Mao? Kim Il Sung? Pol Pot?


Oh yeah, thanks. Now I have Dead Kennedy's in my head.
 
2014-04-24 10:22:22 AM  

Dirty J1: Aww boo farking hoo.... Why does everything in this country have to be geared towards "not offending anyone" or "not hurting anyone's feelings" or "making everyone feel special." If the shoe fits, wear it I say. You Muslim bastards claim that your religion is all peaceful and non violent yet it was a major factor in why Osama and those other mud hut dwelling sand people perpetrated the attacks in the first place. Every religion has their extremists, but Muslim extremists seem to be the most violent, ignorant, and hate filled ones out of the lot.


Islamist Islam. Remember the Crusades -- that time when we sent armies to slaughter the infidel Muslims for refusing to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior? Islam is in the exact same stage of evolution today that Christianity was in 12th century CE.

But you are right in that we need to stop worrying so much about offending people.
 
2014-04-24 10:22:51 AM  

zimbomba63: LeroyB: Prey4reign: Before you take the boat out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor, you have to sit through a 23 minute documentary on the attack which cuts through a lot of external facts on the relationship between the US and Japan to go straight to what happened on December 7th, 1941.  It's full of footage taken before during and after the attack and makes clear to one and all that Japan was the villain of the piece.  Among the millions of visitors to the Arizona there are usually groups from Japan who start out their tour talkative and chatty amongst themselve.  By the time the film goes off and the lights come on and you begin walking out to the boat to take you to the memorial, those once talkative Japanese are decidedly tight-lipped.

Yeah, it's all fun and games until someone loses a war.

// oops, too soon?

Do we tell them how to portray the atomic attacks Hiroshima and Nagasaki?  I'm betting there's a bit of a bias in the presentation.


I've been to both Peace Museums in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.  It's horrifying.  Each time I left, I felt hollow and full of despair.  It's indescribable.  I bought a book at the gift shop there called "No More Hiroshima and Nagasaki" as a reminder of what nuclear weapons do to people.  If you've never seen the pictures of the people whose faces were basically melted off or the people who had all the skin on their arms dangling like curtains, you haven't actually seen what nukes really do.  That includes kids, some only infants, not just adults.  I wouldn't wish torturous, agonizing death of that kind on anyone, even fundamentalist terrorists.

But the biggest thing that surprised me about them was the fact that the Japanese government made an apology to those affected by the attacks, saying they were in the wrong.  In hindsight, Japan realizes they sided with the wrong team in WWII.
 
2014-04-24 10:23:32 AM  

liam76: Geoff Peterson: FTFA:

Williams narrates over images of terrorist training camps and footage from prior Al Qaeda atrocities.

Well that's certainly fair and balanced...

a·troc·i·ty
əˈträsitē/
noun
noun: atrocity; plural noun: atrocities
1.
an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.

It isn't "fair and balanced" to point out their atrocities?

Do you think "fair and balanced" means to cover up, ignore or sugar coat what they have done?


Somacandra: FTFA: After attending a screening of the film - "The Rise of Al Qaeda" - the religious leader objected to how it called the terrorists "Islamists" and described their killer mission as "jihad."

He's not upset about offending Qaedans, Submitter. He's upset that the film will accidentally  legitimate them, which in turn will needlessly offend Muslims. The term "Islamist" refers to a broad decades-old cultural movement in the post-Nasser era to revitalize national cultures through facets of Islamic culture.Its He doesn't want terrorists poaching on a movement they aren't associated with. In the same vein, an official film describing the attacks as "jihad" is going to give these assholes far more credibility than they deserve since the vast majority of Muslims don't accept them as legit  Muslims and their attacks as legit "jihad." Jihad has specific legal requirements and meanings that Qaedans don't meet. There are perfectly accurate ways of discussing the attacks that don't confuse categories and legitimate Al-Qaeda.

Which Islamist movement hasn't been filled with extremists?

And the fact is Osama Bin Laden still had a lot of support from Muslims after 9/11.

This shows data from 03 on, but from my experience living in Egypt and Indonesia it was quite a bit higher before that.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8234010/Muslim-cleric-says-911-museum-vi d eo-on-Al-Queda-will-cause-prejudiced-views-as-if-New-Yorkers-had-nice- thoughts-about-an-organization-that-flew-jets-into-two-bigg ...


Do you have any idea how utterly farked we would be if even 10% of the Muslim people in the world supported Al Qaeda?
 
2014-04-24 10:23:39 AM  

liam76: It isn't "fair and balanced" to point out their atrocities?

Do you think "fair and balanced" means to cover up, ignore or sugar coat what they have done?


I think labeling their actions as 'atrocities' reveals a bias in the writers POV, that's all. If the article would have appear in the Islamabad Times it may read differently.
 
2014-04-24 10:24:41 AM  

Dirty J1: Aww boo farking hoo.... Why does everything in this country have to be geared towards "not offending anyone" or "not hurting anyone's feelings" or "making everyone feel special." If the shoe fits, wear it I say. You Muslim bastards claim that your religion is all peaceful and non violent yet it was a major factor in why Osama and those other mud hut dwelling sand people perpetrated the attacks in the first place. Every religion has their extremists, but Muslim extremists seem to be the most violent, ignorant, and hate filled ones out of the lot.


1/10, 'our violent terrorists aren't as violent and terroristy as yours.'
 
2014-04-24 10:24:59 AM  

Prey4reign: Before you take the boat out to the USS Arizona memorial in Pearl Harbor, you have to sit through a 23 minute documentary on the attack which cuts through a lot of external facts on the relationship between the US and Japan to go straight to what happened on December 7th, 1941.  It's full of footage taken before during and after the attack and makes clear to one and all that Japan was the villain of the piece.  Among the millions of visitors to the Arizona there are usually groups from Japan who start out their tour talkative and chatty amongst themselve.  By the time the film goes off and the lights come on and you begin walking out to the boat to take you to the memorial, those once talkative Japanese are decidedly tight-lipped.


In Nagasaki, it's role-reversal.

/and depressing
//crippling depression sets in
 
2014-04-24 10:25:08 AM  

Somacandra: The term "Islamist" refers to a broad decades-old cultural movement in the post-Nasser era to revitalize national cultures through facets of Islamic culture.Its  He doesn't want terrorists poaching on a movement they aren't associated with. In the same vein, an official film describing the attacks as "jihad" is going to give these assholes far more credibility than they deserve since the vast majority of Muslims don't accept them as legit  Muslims and their attacks as legit "jihad." Jihad has specific legal requirements and meanings that Qaedans don't meet. There are perfectly accurate ways of discussing the attacks that don't confuse categories and legitimate Al-Qaeda.


Except that a lot of the terrorist movements  are subsets of the Islamist movement (it's essentially a reactionary movement advocating rejection of European/US cultural elements and the establishment of a unified theocratic muslim meta-state... the US's domestic terrorists are usually affiliated with the Christian version, the dominionists), and "jihad" has pretty much always been a colloquial way to refer to a religiously-motivated mission against something (especially a violent mission) in the same was "crusade" is, it maps to Christian terminology in about the same way "infidel" maps to "heathen".  Well, infidel is already a translation/anglicisation, iirc, but you see what I'm saying there.

I'm sorry he's worried about people making  perfectly valid connections between the reactionary wing of his religion and their legitimatelytheologically-motivated violence, but them's the farkin' breaks.  Catholicism still gets to take shiat for Irish terrorism and US protestantism for those assholes that ran around murdering doctors a decade or two back.  You seed the crazies, you get some of the flak when some of 'em fruit.

If you don't want your religion associated with extremist psychos, make more of an effort to prevent the religion from  producing so many of them,or at least many priests from openly encouraging them.  Denying the existence of the problem does no one any good (again, same as with US protestantism, "but most of us aren't bigoted assholes" doesn't help anyone when the bigoted assholes are the only ones that 'vote christian').

// Also good luck with that, since giving psychotic people the final nudge into mass-murder mode while pointed in the direction of your political enemies is 90% of what both Christianity and post-imperial (especially Shi'ite) Islam were intentionally designed for.

Geoff Peterson: FTFA:

Williams narrates over images of terrorist training camps and footage from prior Al Qaeda atrocities.

Well that's certainly fair and balanced...

a·troc·i·ty
əˈträsitē/
noun
noun: atrocity; plural noun: atrocities
1.
an extremely wicked or cruel act, typically one involving physical violence or injury.


... in a similar vein to the above, given that AQ's primary contribution to global and regional politics at that point consisted of bombing embassies full of civilians, how exactly do you propose not portraying that as an atrocity?

I mean, you can go over the ostensible political motivation, but that doesn't actually make anything they were doing  good or even justified.  Like the example of the Pearl harbor bombing and the nuking of Nagasaki brought up above, the fact that there were reasons in the sense of a proximate cause existing don't necessarily make the decisions  moral ones.

// Hiroshima was pretty much straight-up justified, it's really only the second bomb that's of questionable morality under the "we made our point already" argument.
 
2014-04-24 10:25:16 AM  

TwowheelinTim: JohnAnnArbor: doglover: On one hand, all the muslims I've met were great.

On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.

If you want your religion to be smiled upon, maybe don't be the same religion as all the bad people since WW2

Mao? Kim Il Sung? Pol Pot?

Oh yeah, thanks. Now I have Dead Kennedy's in my head.



MAO KIM
IL SUNG
POL POT
TSE TUNG
WE DIDN'T START THE FIRE
 
2014-04-24 10:25:42 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-24 10:26:10 AM  

SpectroBoy: doglover: On the other hand, all the worst people since 1945 have been muslims.

Some notable bad "Christians"

[webspace.webring.com image 250x370]

Tim McVeigh -  Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York

[www.rawstory.com image 615x345]

Generic KKK - Good ole Christian boys having a little fun

[upload.wikimedia.org image 355x270]

Fred Phelps. Nuff said.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 330x465]

Eric Rudolph. The olympic park bomber. Part of (Christian Identity Movement) bombed abortion clinics
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x224]
Dennis Raider - BTK Serial Killer-  Member of Christ Lutheran Church - President of the congregation council.

But please, go on.


Only Rudolf and Phelps truly believe they are christian, but please continue with your douchy strawman.
 
2014-04-24 10:27:09 AM  

JackieRabbit: Islamist Islam. Remember the Crusades -- that time when we sent armies to slaughter the infidel Muslims for refusing to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior?


That wasn't really what the Crusades were about, as evidenced by the Crusaders' complete disinterest in Mecca or Medina. Hell, that wasn't what the Reconquista was about, although that was closer.
 
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