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2014-04-24 09:37:22 AM
Is the Interesting tag missing in a lake too?
 
2014-04-24 10:21:24 AM
Global warming treasure hunt!  Think of all the interesting archeological artifacts that will start popping up.  One day, we'll be telling our grandchildren "When I was younger they hated global warming.  But without it, we would have never found Atlantis and unlocked the secrets to the universe."
 
2014-04-24 11:26:45 AM
Yeah, there's nothing I enjoy more than walking on the barren banks of a depleted reservoir finding the rusted out hulks of old automobiles and the remains of brutally-murdered people. Good times.
 
2014-04-24 11:29:26 AM
And cars, too.
 
2014-04-24 11:34:42 AM
Isn't there a loose nuke in a swamp somewhere? hmm...
 
2014-04-24 11:34:47 AM
Always look on the bright side of life.

/starts whistling.
 
2014-04-24 11:44:12 AM
There are lots of positives about climate change.
 
2014-04-24 11:45:49 AM

Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.


Like the delta on drought frequency.  That's positive.  So's the change in temperature.  So's the square miles of land at risk for desertification.  So. Many.  Positives.
 
2014-04-24 11:53:05 AM

ikanreed: Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.

Like the delta on drought frequency.  That's positive.  So's the change in temperature.  So's the square miles of land at risk for desertification.  So. Many.  Positives.


Oh, the future is petty bleak to be sure. We'll be losing ground within a decade and in the red not all that long after but so far increased crop yield from more favorable growing conditions blows all the other effects away in terms of impact.
 
2014-04-24 11:54:42 AM
"My mother put her hand through the window trying to get away from their motor home."

In Texas?! No way. People in Texas don't live in motor homes.
 
2014-04-24 11:55:41 AM
Will we be able to recover Orakio's sword?
 
2014-04-24 11:59:33 AM

Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.


Yeah, like doing away with Florida.
 
2014-04-24 12:00:46 PM

Ned Stark: Oh, the future is petty bleak to be sure. We'll be losing ground within a decade and in the red not all that long after but so far increased crop yield from more favorable growing conditions blows all the other effects away in terms of impact.


I'm not entirely sure increasing crop yields can be blamed on the climate, but I won't let my uncertainty dictate my position on the matter.  I would prefer some kind of substantive evidence of that claim, but I'll take it as plausible.
 
2014-04-24 12:02:42 PM

RedTank: Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.

Yeah, like doing away with Florida.


This too.
 
2014-04-24 12:09:46 PM

ikanreed: Ned Stark: Oh, the future is petty bleak to be sure. We'll be losing ground within a decade and in the red not all that long after but so far increased crop yield from more favorable growing conditions blows all the other effects away in terms of impact.

I'm not entirely sure increasing crop yields can be blamed on the climate, but I won't let my uncertainty dictate my position on the matter.  I would prefer some kind of substantive evidence of that claim, but I'll take it as plausible.


Googling anything climate related is a peril filled adventure at the best of times and I'm on my phone.

There was a fark thread about the papers in question though.
 
2014-04-24 12:42:46 PM

RedTank: Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.

Yeah, like doing away with Florida.


Let us hope it happens all at one so the population doesn't have an opportunity to evacuate.
 
2014-04-24 12:52:21 PM

neversubmit: Isn't there a loose nuke in a swamp somewhere? hmm...


Goldsboro, NC.
 
2014-04-24 01:26:23 PM

BLayingBeads: RedTank: Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.

Yeah, like doing away with Florida.

Let us hope it happens all at one so the population doesn't have an opportunity to evacuate.


You mean to go back to where they were born.
 
2014-04-24 01:32:50 PM
So all the people living in low lying coastal areas get free land in all the dried up river beds, reservoirs and lakes; Win-win. And Fukushima gets washed clean (plus Haiti and Somalia)!
 
2014-04-24 01:36:16 PM

cptjeff: neversubmit: Isn't there a loose nuke in a swamp somewhere? hmm...

Goldsboro, NC.


And that's how you get on a list
 
2014-04-24 01:37:58 PM

cptjeff: neversubmit: Isn't there a loose nuke in a swamp somewhere? hmm...

Goldsboro, NC.


Yep, the second bomb was left buried.
 
2014-04-24 02:36:13 PM

Tradskinzd: BLayingBeads: RedTank: Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.

Yeah, like doing away with Florida.

Let us hope it happens all at one so the population doesn't have an opportunity to evacuate.

You mean to go back to where they were born.


Nope. We have enough stupid people on this planet. Let them perish. Darwin would be proud.
 
2014-04-24 04:45:37 PM

Swampmaster: So all the people living in low lying coastal areas get free land in all the dried up river beds, reservoirs and lakes; Win-win.


Until the next big rain floods them out.  Humanity has a bad track record(in the long run) of finding places to set up shop.
 
2014-04-24 04:50:52 PM
Oh, and this lake is only in existence because it's a dam blocking the river flow(one of a few on that river), it wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for mankind.
 
2014-04-24 05:09:36 PM

BLayingBeads: Tradskinzd: BLayingBeads: RedTank: Ned Stark: There are lots of positives about climate change.

Yeah, like doing away with Florida.

Let us hope it happens all at one so the population doesn't have an opportunity to evacuate.

You mean to go back to where they were born.

Nope. We have enough stupid people on this planet. Let them perish. Darwin would be proud.


Not everyone who lives here is stupid. We haven't all made it into news stories.
 
2014-04-24 07:48:45 PM

pedobearapproved: cptjeff: neversubmit: Isn't there a loose nuke in a swamp somewhere? hmm...

Goldsboro, NC.

And that's how you get on a list


said pedobearapproved without seeing the irony...
 
2014-04-24 10:33:27 PM
That's interesting.

I thought 'Global Warming' was supposed to cause the World's waters to rise...
 
2014-04-24 11:21:48 PM
The other positive thing is that climastrology is sufficiently nebulous that no matter what kind of weather, or short multi-year trend, the Chicken Littles can still cluck around feverishly informing everyone oh noez!! It's WORSE than we thought.

That hail storm in Kansas, it was climate change, they never had hail there before.
Place dries up somewhere - clear harbinger for the whole world, says I!
The breeze I felt in the kitchen this morning - climate change!!! It's out to get us all.
Why, I can hardly breathe, the pressure, it's...suffocating!

Boo!

 
2014-04-25 10:34:34 AM
Semi off-topic:

The IPPC says that if we give females equality, we'll be taking a step toward mitigating the adverse effects of climate change.

Now, while I'm in favor of equality, historically, hasn't females entering the workforce of a nation corresponded to an increase in that nation's industrial emissions? At least in the USA and China, that seems to have been the case. It seems logical that increasing a country's labor force would grow the economy, increase consumption, and demand more energy.

Even reading over this report, it doesn't provide a clear link as to what one has to do with the other, aside from, perhaps, the notion that women -- especially those in political power -- may be more sympathetic to the cause and therefore more inclined to support eco-friendly policy changes.
 
2014-04-25 05:02:15 PM

SevenizGud: The other positive thing is that climastrology is sufficiently nebulous that no matter what kind of weather, or short multi-year trend, the Chicken Littles can still cluck around feverishly informing everyone oh noez!! It's WORSE than we thought.

That hail storm in Kansas, it was climate change, they never had hail there before.
Place dries up somewhere - clear harbinger for the whole world, says I!
The breeze I felt in the kitchen this morning - climate change!!! It's out to get us all.
Why, I can hardly breathe, the pressure, it's...suffocating!

Boo!



The alternative explanation is that it only seems nebulous if you intentionally remain ignorant of what the science actually says, or, as you demonstrate here, you instead make up make things.
 
2014-04-25 05:16:48 PM

Feepit: Semi off-topic:

The IPPC says that if we give females equality, we'll be taking a step toward mitigating the adverse effects of climate change.


I would like to help, but I can't seem to find this being said in the document you linked to. There's a mention of differential risks due to gender, but that's all I can see. It would be easier to assess what they're basing this on if you have an idea of what they specifically said and where. What might help in the meantime is to note that the SPM (as what you linked to) is only a summary - anything said there is more fleshed out in the actual report.


Feepit: Now, while I'm in favor of equality, historically, hasn't females entering the workforce of a nation corresponded to an increase in that nation's industrial emissions? At least in the USA and China, that seems to have been the case. It seems logical that increasing a country's labor force would grow the economy, increase consumption, and demand more energy.


Good question. However, I'm not sure that such is a driving factor rather than a response to industrialization.


Feepit: Even reading over this report, it doesn't provide a clear link as to what one has to do with the other, aside from, perhaps, the notion that women -- especially those in political power -- may be more sympathetic to the cause and therefore more inclined to support eco-friendly policy changes.


There's some clues in that link. I'll see if I can pull out some ideas for you. Here's a couple from the first section:

women are more vulnerable to the effects of climate change than men
they face social, economic and political barriers that limit their coping capacity

- This implies we can lessen impact (and increase coping capacity) if we help to remove these social, economic and political barriers as women can be more vulnerable to the effects of climate change.


Women often have a strong body of knowledge and expertise that can be used in climate change mitigation, disaster reduction and adaptation strategies. Furthermore, women's responsibilities in households and communities, as stewards of natural and household resources, positions them well to contribute to livelihood strategies adapted to changing environmental realities.

- Should be largely self-explanatory.
 
2014-04-25 05:29:15 PM
Ah, the thread must  be a day old, here come the mongrels.
 
2014-04-25 05:42:38 PM

Damnhippyfreak: I would like to help, but I can't seem to find this being said in the document you linked to.


The table on page 31 has multiple references to female equality.

Damnhippyfreak: Should be largely self-explanatory.


It strikes me as a gender-biased statement to say that women are better at running households (a point many will vehemently argue), therefore they're better stewards of the environment.

Damnhippyfreak: There's some clues in that link. I'll see if I can pull out some ideas for you.


Damnhippyfreak: they face social, economic and political barriers that limit their coping capacity


So it isn't that female equality has any impact on the actual climate; rather, it is that female equality makes females less vulnerable to climate change.
 
2014-04-25 11:02:32 PM

omeganuepsilon: Ah, the thread must  be a day old, here come the mongrels.


You do realize you're also here, hm?
 
2014-04-25 11:27:33 PM

Feepit: Damnhippyfreak: I would like to help, but I can't seem to find this being said in the document you linked to.


The table on page 31 has multiple references to female equality.


Ah, I see. First off, "mitigation" (which is the word you used) and "adaptation" have specific meanings in the IPCC reports. Mitigation is more akin to 'prevention', as in what can we do to prevent climate change and its impacts. What the WGII looks at is impacts and adaptation,not mitigation.

With that out of the way, the first entry "Reduced gender inequality & marginalization in other forms" can be understood as being what I described before in terms of differential risks. Doing this would reduce such risk, as per the "vulnerability and exposure reduction" approach they identify.

The second one is also interesting in that it falls under educational options ("Gender equity in education"). The approaches identified are 'adaptation' and 'transformation' - the broad sweep is that educating women will allow for better coping mechanisms and facilitating social changes. You can think of it as building social capital and better connections to be better able to cope with impacts and roll with the punches.

The nice thing about this table is that it gives chapter references - you can always look those up in the full report if you want more information.


Feepit: Damnhippyfreak: Should be largely self-explanatory.


It strikes me as a gender-biased statement to say that women are better at running households (a point many will vehemently argue), therefore they're better stewards of the environment.


I don't think what was meant was that "women are better at running households", but instead seeks to increase the role women play. It's not a zero sum game after all - empowering women does not necessarily mean they're superior.


Feepit: Damnhippyfreak: they face social, economic and political barriers that limit their coping capacity


So it isn't that female equality has any impact on the actual climate; rather, it is that female equality makes females less vulnerable to climate change.


I think you've got the idea. I would tack onto that the idea that it makes everyone less vulnerable to climate change, and from the table you helpfully pointed out, also aids with social changes.

As a side note, this is one of the examples where climate change policy and development policy dovetail.
 
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