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(The New York Times)   Patriot rancher Cliven Bundy would like to explain to you about how the Negro race thinks   (nytimes.com) divider line 558
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2014-04-24 12:40:09 AM  
There it is.
 
2014-04-24 12:46:50 AM  
The rangers should've just shot his cattle instead of trying to confiscate them. That would've solved the problem a lot more efficiently.
 
2014-04-24 12:52:57 AM  
"I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro," he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, "and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids - and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch - they didn't have nothing to do. They didn't have nothing for their kids to do. They didn't have nothing for their young girls to do.
"And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?" he asked. "They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn't get no more freedom. They got less freedom."


You know who else is basically on  government subsidy?  A guy who doesn't pay his grazing fees for 20 years.
 
2014-04-24 12:59:22 AM  
*sniff*

I'm just ... so HAPPY!

static2.fjcdn.com
 
2014-04-24 12:59:57 AM  
Hero of the Right™

/Proud patriots, one and all
 
2014-04-24 01:01:14 AM  
It's hard to feel sorry for the republicans. They spent the last week enthusiastically hitching their cart to this asshole that everyone with half a brain could see was a loose cannon. Honestly, they are lucky that he simply said something horrible and didn't, say, blow up a federal building. Although of course there is still plenty of time for that.
 
2014-04-24 01:05:44 AM  
Wow, he really went for the 'slavery was good for black people' angle.  That's not a position you'll see many people publicly stand behind these days, at least not without wearing bed sheets and burning a cross
 
2014-04-24 01:06:03 AM  
A racist being supported by racists, with help from Faux News?? You don't say!
 
2014-04-24 01:09:50 AM  
The guy is the father of 14 kids?

/is there a pool for how many wives that's spread amongst?
 
2014-04-24 01:11:14 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Wow, he really went for the 'slavery was good for black people' angle.  That's not a position you'll see many people publicly stand behind these days, at least not without wearing bed sheets and burning a cross


That argument, pretty much word for word, has been floating around the far right echo chamber this past year.

/don't ask me how I know that...
 
2014-04-24 01:21:18 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Wow, he really went for the 'slavery was good for black people' angle.  That's not a position you'll see many people publicly stand behind these days, at least not without wearing bed sheets and burning a cross


Michele Bachmann and Rick Santorum BOTH signed a pledge during their Presidential campaigns from conservative group Family Leader that said, in part, that Black families were better off during slavery. GOP Rep. Trent Franks of Arizona essentially said the same thing.

It's not something that's hiding in the shadows, this is a basic tenet of GOP policy.
 
2014-04-24 01:27:03 AM  

Hollie Maea: TuteTibiImperes: Wow, he really went for the 'slavery was good for black people' angle.  That's not a position you'll see many people publicly stand behind these days, at least not without wearing bed sheets and burning a cross

That argument, pretty much word for word, has been floating around the far right echo chamber this past year.

/don't ask me how I know that...


I can think of two ways you could possibly know that:

1 - You paid even an iota of attention to the far right echo chamber over the past year, even if you did so via secondhand derping (i.e. someone else looked into the abyss and reported their findings, and you paid some nonzero amount of attention to that report)
2 - CNN, in a desperate attempt to prove they're Fair And Balanced™ and not a part of the Liberal Media™, have decided to air a half-hour or full-hour "special" where they ask if blacks were better off under slavery than they are now, and you somehow found out about that special.
 
2014-04-24 01:30:23 AM  
How can these people afford to stand around with guns for weeks on end? They must be independently wealthy.
 
2014-04-24 01:32:46 AM  

PreMortem: How can these people afford to stand around with guns for weeks on end? They must be independently wealthy.


Probably on disability from their jobs at the post office

/stress, dontchaknow
 
2014-04-24 01:33:46 AM  
Oh, please go green, please go green, pleasepleasepleasepleasePLEASE go green.

The mad backpedaling cited is quite awesome. I reckon as this gets more play, it will only get better.
 
2014-04-24 01:37:53 AM  
Wow. It's understandable why this farking asshole is a hero to the right, of course.
 
2014-04-24 01:43:41 AM  

King Something: Hollie Maea: TuteTibiImperes: Wow, he really went for the 'slavery was good for black people' angle.  That's not a position you'll see many people publicly stand behind these days, at least not without wearing bed sheets and burning a cross

That argument, pretty much word for word, has been floating around the far right echo chamber this past year.

/don't ask me how I know that...

I can think of two ways you could possibly know that:

1 - You paid even an iota of attention to the far right echo chamber over the past year, even if you did so via secondhand derping (i.e. someone else looked into the abyss and reported their findings, and you paid some nonzero amount of attention to that report)
2 - CNN, in a desperate attempt to prove they're Fair And Balanced™ and not a part of the Liberal Media™, have decided to air a half-hour or full-hour "special" where they ask if blacks were better off under slavery than they are now, and you somehow found out about that special.


Yeah, it's option 1.  I haven't been to an airport in the last year, so I haven't seen any CNN.
 
2014-04-24 03:03:33 AM  

PreMortem: How can these people afford to stand around with guns for weeks on end? They must be independently wealthy.


That was my favorite part. He gave a lecture about how he believes black people sit around doing nothing all day to a group of white people who have been sitting around doing nothing for weeks.
 
2014-04-24 03:10:26 AM  
Who could have guessed Mr Sovereign Citizen moocher was a racist??
 
2014-04-24 03:33:50 AM  
In some ways, yes, paternalistic slavery is a system under which some would be better off under than a free society, in the respect that in a free society there is little to catch you from falling through the cracks and ending up destitute. At least with slavery you'd have a roof over your head at the end of the day.

But slavery does not allow for the gifted to excel. Freedom unbinds the hands of every man to attempt to reach his own dreams, not to serve the wills of his master. Unfortunately for those without ability, this means nothing good.

So for every 99 families in utter destitution, one family may become fabulously. This is what freedom brings. And so every so often the pendulum swings back the other direction and the 99 put the 1 back into slavery in the hopes to take for themselves through force what they can't through cunning and ability.

The slaveowner sees himself as accepting what is rightfully his. The paternalist sees himself as caretaker of his charges. The slavery desired by libs is missing paternalism, so they see slavery as a pure evil, though they themselves desire to enslave.

It's a bit ironic.
 
2014-04-24 05:19:31 AM  
I see you libs are getting worked up without understanding the facts again. Bundy's family claim to the word "negro" predates the thirteenth amendment.
 
2014-04-24 06:47:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: In some ways, yes, paternalistic slavery is a system under which some would be better off under than a free society, in the respect that in a free society there is little to catch you from falling through the cracks and ending up destitute. At least with slavery you'd have a roof over your head at the end of the day.


How often was that roof a coffin lid or a pile of dirt?


The slaveowner sees himself as accepting what is rightfully his. The paternalist sees himself as caretaker of his charges. The slavery desired by libs is missing paternalism, so they see slavery as a pure evil, though they themselves desire to enslave.

It's a bit ironic.


"The slavery desired by libs"

Please elaborate.
 
2014-04-24 06:57:50 AM  

fusillade762: "The slavery desired by libs"

Please elaborate.


You're not familiar with this right-wing talking point? Any government assistance to poor people is slavery. If only the government would stop helping poor people get food, shelter and health care, they'd be truly free.
 
2014-04-24 07:21:09 AM  
Typical gun owner.
 
Skr
2014-04-24 07:21:20 AM  
Slavery is pretty much all bad,  but what are everyone's feelings about indentured servants? To me indentured servitude seemed like a decent system where if all went well both sides would benefit. Promise to work a period of time for a boat ticket to America.

I wonder if "Russian Mail Order Brides" are a form of indentured servants.
 
2014-04-24 07:21:57 AM  

kronicfeld: fusillade762: "The slavery desired by libs"

Please elaborate.

You're not familiar with this right-wing talking point? Any government assistance to poor people is slavery. If only the government would stop helping poor people get food, shelter and health care, they'd be truly free.



So... the right wing is saying that freedom is just another word for "nothing left to lose"?
 
2014-04-24 07:24:36 AM  
This guy is precious.  It's actually kind of nice that people of all sorts are coming together to mock him.
 
2014-04-24 07:25:11 AM  

Hollie Maea: It's hard to feel sorry for the republicans. They spent the last week enthusiastically hitching their cart to this asshole that everyone with half a brain could see was a loose cannon.


How I imagine his fans' reactions:

www.smbc-comics.com
 
2014-04-24 07:25:47 AM  

Ambitwistor: How I imagine his fans' reactions:
[www.smbc-comics.com image 274x900]


Although, sadly, his fans' actual reactions were probably "Hell yeah!".
 
2014-04-24 07:26:00 AM  
So let's see here... Fox News is actively ignoring a trove of IRS documents that state that liberal groups seek in taxi exempt status got hit far more than conservative groups (the IRS targeted more liberal groups than conservative ones, and often with more force), which contradicts what Rep. Darryl "I'm an arsonist dickweasel" Issa has been trumpeting for months. And now their latest darling has exposed himself as a racist--I can only wonder how long they can keep this under the rug OR how quickly they'll abandon Cliven Bundy.
 
2014-04-24 07:26:30 AM  
These people should be enslaved for a few months and then afterwards asked which they situation they prefer.
 
2014-04-24 07:26:38 AM  
Wow. And that's not just a little "slip of the tounge" racism either. Just full on, right into the deep end "They were better off picking cotton" racism.

Please media, for the love of God, keep showing up for these. I have to know how deep his crazy goes.
 
2014-04-24 07:27:35 AM  
But don't you dare call him racist.
 
2014-04-24 07:31:12 AM  
You can take his cattle, but you can never take his freedumb
 
2014-04-24 07:32:25 AM  

Hollie Maea: It's hard to feel sorry for the republicans. They spent the last week enthusiastically hitching their cart to this asshole that everyone with half a brain could see was a loose cannon. Honestly, they are lucky that he simply said something horrible and didn't, say, blow up a federal building. Although of course there is still plenty of time for that.


Meh.  Only the stupid, far-right Republicans.  The ones the rest of us regular Republicans ignore.  Democrats have the far-left type they ignore as well.  Vocal minority.


It's already been pointed out here, but I did get a chuckle from the irony of a guy illegally using federal lands complaining about abuse of government assistance, preaching to a group of people with seemingly nothing better or more important to do than stand around his ranch clutching their firearms.
 
2014-04-24 07:32:30 AM  
Maybe he could put them to work on his farm.  For free of course.
 
2014-04-24 07:33:43 AM  
No matter your color
we all think like a dumbarse
/red foreman like typing confirmed
 
2014-04-24 07:35:31 AM  
Not to mention Bundy's claim that his family was there before the BLM was even formed is an outright lie. His family purchased the land back in the 50's, hardly the 1870's that I think he has claimed. BLM was formed in the late 1940's. Plus, there's no record that his family began putting cattle on Federal land until the 50's either. IOW, not only is Bundy a racist moocher, he's a liar and a hypocrite too. No wonder conservatives love him.
 
2014-04-24 07:35:49 AM  
So you have one extreme stereotype explaining another stereotype. Meh, as we have seen stereotypes are based in truth but the truth is racist
 
2014-04-24 07:36:41 AM  
Who cares?

Firstly, this has nothing to do with whether his position is valid or not or whether his resistance to grazing fees has any legal leg to stand on or not.

Secondly... that he's an idiot in his free time isn't news, he's already pulled out the sovereign citizen crap that's a 100% guarantee that the speaker is among the stupidest 1% or so of the population.  We're not gaining any new data here.

... basically, I'm questioning the relevance of this to the story.  It seems sort of like all the "but he was once rude to someone online!" crap that came out about Snowden after it turned out that arresting him was infeasible.  Is someone trying to distract us from the actual issue of whether an operation predating the institution of grazing fees is obligated to pay them (or effectively "grandfathered in") for some reason?  Because I'm not seeing the motivation there, most of the public's already on the governments side, they don't really need to pull a yellow journalist bit on us.
 
2014-04-24 07:36:51 AM  

PreMortem: How can these people afford to stand around with guns for weeks on end? They must be independently wealthy.


They have nothing to do.
They never learned to pick cotton.
 
2014-04-24 07:38:55 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hero of the Right™

/Proud patriots, one and all


Just once could they see what the locals think of something before rushing to defend it? Bundy had basically no support from the Nevada Republican Party and any business groups that should ostensibly be on his side because he's a radical who has spent years alienating them with his actions and spouting backwards ideas with no real world basis, primarily about sovereign citizenship.

But no: WND, Breitbart, and Fox News jumped on the support train, so he's become the ideal of rural America to some people.
 
2014-04-24 07:39:40 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The rangers should've just shot his cattle instead of trying to confiscate them. That would've solved the problem a lot more efficiently.


Obama should send a drone over there and pick the cows off one by one.
 
2014-04-24 07:41:10 AM  
Who's paying to feed his Army of Dumb while they stand around - are they mooching or just using their SSI disability?

Charging that many Hoverrounds must be murder on the electric bill - or does he claim his family predates electricity, too?
 
2014-04-24 07:41:22 AM  
 
2014-04-24 07:42:23 AM  
Not being tied down when someone gets pregnant = "less freedom"
Being given a subsistence living when there are no jobs available = "less freedom"

Got it.
 
2014-04-24 07:42:26 AM  
And during an election year. Please, please, continue to prop this man up as the hero of conservative values he is, please keep him in the spotlight.

Every time Bundy talks, I half expect to see the FiveThirtyEight site reporting shocking swings in the polls. It doesn't happen, of course, the actual event takes time, but still.
 
2014-04-24 07:42:47 AM  
A spokesman for Mr. Paul, informed of Mr. Bundy's remarks, said the senator was not available for immediate comment.

"Senator Paul is not immediately available for comment" ~Rand Paul
 
2014-04-24 07:42:48 AM  

Grungehamster: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Hero of the Right™

/Proud patriots, one and all

Just once could they see what the locals think of something before rushing to defend it? Bundy had basically no support from the Nevada Republican Party and any business groups that should ostensibly be on his side because he's a radical who has spent years alienating them with his actions and spouting backwards ideas with no real world basis, primarily about sovereign citizenship.

But no: WND, Breitbart, and Fox News jumped on the support train, so he's become the ideal of rural America to some people.


Sure. Guess that's why they couldn't find an auction that would take those stolen cattle.
 
2014-04-24 07:43:15 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The guy is the father of 14 kids?

/is there a pool for how many wives that's spread amongst?


FUN FACT: The Bundys are Mormon.
 
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