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(Sioux City Journal)   This just proves that PETA members are just a bunch of turkeys   (siouxcityjournal.com) divider line 51
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2014-04-24 12:03:35 AM
Are we sure this isn't a repeat? I'm almost sure I've heard this story before.
 
2014-04-24 12:06:36 AM
Ah, here we go. From February (different city, though).

PETA wants monument honoring chickens killed in Gainesville truck wreck

Is it too much to ask them to get a little more creative with their attention whoring?
 
2014-04-24 01:15:47 AM

fusillade762: Is it too much to ask them to get a little more creative with their attention whoring?


Yes, because the asking will fall upon deaf ears. You might as well ask the tide to not rise and fall for all the good it'll do you.
 
2014-04-24 02:00:36 AM
I think we should test this theory by dropping them from a hovering helicopter
 
2014-04-24 03:14:00 AM
PETA - The association cute girls join to state they do not like meat in their mouths but are not quite lesbian.
 
2014-04-24 05:21:10 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think we should test this theory by dropping them from a hovering helicopter


As God is my witness, I came in here to say that
 
2014-04-24 06:20:26 AM
Ah, yes - PETA.
The poster children for "You're not helping".
 
2014-04-24 06:20:29 AM
At the bottom I thought it read "Try Again". That's a very Hindu response to a bunch of animals dying, isn't it?
 
2014-04-24 06:20:41 AM
I don't think I've ever met a rational, emotionally stable member of PETA before.

Do such people exist?
 
2014-04-24 06:28:40 AM
It should be more like PETAW-People for the Ethical Treatment of Attention Whores


/AmIRight?
//Wukka wukka wukka
 
2014-04-24 06:30:27 AM
God bless you, brave turkeys who selflessly gave their lives trying to make it to market.
 
2014-04-24 06:30:41 AM
"Try Vegan."

Absolutely no agendas there.  No, sir'ee.
 
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2014-04-24 06:35:56 AM

jso2897: Ah, yes - PETA.
The poster children for "You're not helping".


Never truer words.......
 
2014-04-24 06:39:19 AM
Sometimes (not often but sometimes) PETA actually champions a good cause.  But sane people do not take the good causes seriously because of stupid crap like this.  That and PETAs own killing of animals.
 
2014-04-24 06:39:25 AM
That looks like it says "Fry vegan" rather than "Try vegan"
 
2014-04-24 06:42:49 AM
Just a reminder to everyone that if meat is murder, vegetarianism is even worse, because at minimum it commits the same sins while being hypocritically righteously indignant:

1. Vegetarianism literally also kills a similar to greater number of animals.  Preferring vegetables for "moral reasons" is tantamount to saying that it's morally acceptable to murder one thing over another because it's not as  cute.

2. Many species would go extinct without their use in agriculture, so vegetarianism and especially veganism (which kills off the ckickens and milk cows too) is tantamount to intentional genocide:

www.smbc-comics.com

3. Plants have an electrochemical stimulus response to damage that responds to anesthesia.  I.e. they  feel pain.  You MONSTER.

// No, I'm not entirely serious.  Have you  seen PETA?  Anyone that treats their arguments even remotely seriously clearly isn't paying attention.
 
2014-04-24 06:44:29 AM
PETA's Secret Slaughter of Kittens, Puppies

Instead, it believes that people have a right to kill them, as long as the killing is done "humanely," which PETA interprets to mean poisoning them with an overdose of barbiturates,  733 dogs entered this building. They killed 602 of them. Only 12 were adopted. Also in 2012, they impounded 1,110 cats. 1,045 were put to death. Seven of them were adopted. They also took in 34 other companion animals, such as rabbits, of which 28 were put to death. Only four were adopted.
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A big sign should be erected in front of their HQ:

Dear PETA re: dogs and cats.
Try Vegan,
Yours truly,
The rest of the world.
 
2014-04-24 06:53:36 AM

stpauler: PETA's Secret Slaughter of Kittens, Puppies

Instead, it believes that people have a right to kill them, as long as the killing is done "humanely," which PETA interprets to mean poisoning them with an overdose of barbiturates,  733 dogs entered this building. They killed 602 of them. Only 12 were adopted. Also in 2012, they impounded 1,110 cats. 1,045 were put to death. Seven of them were adopted. They also took in 34 other companion animals, such as rabbits, of which 28 were put to death. Only four were adopted.

A big sign should be erected in front of their HQ:

Dear PETA re: dogs and cats.
Try Vegan,
Yours truly,
The rest of the world.


PETA opposes the suffering of living animals and a humane death is not suffering
 
2014-04-24 06:54:21 AM

Jim_Callahan: 3. Plants have an electrochemical stimulus response to damage that responds to anesthesia. I.e. they feel pain. You MONSTER.


How has no one trolled them with protests over that fact?
 
2014-04-24 06:54:33 AM
"I'm not a chicken, you're a turkey!"

Anyone else remember that PSA?
 
2014-04-24 06:55:07 AM

stpauler: PETA's Secret Slaughter of Kittens, Puppies


Is it really a 'secret'?  I thought the leadership was on record equating pet ownership to slavery and stating openly that death would be preferable.

// In fairness, if they weren't frequently using tactics tantamount to outright fraud to get the courts to allow them to take the animals in the first place, this wouldn't actually be terribly inappropriate for an animal shelter-- the primary role of animal confiscation is to remove genuinely feral/dangerous animals from the streets and killing them is a legitimate and sometimes the only course of action.  Normal shelters don't claim that animals are morally equivalent to human beings, though.
 
2014-04-24 06:56:32 AM

ransack.: PETA opposes the suffering of living animals and a humane death is not suffering


So...suffering is living?

By their extremist logic, their members should adopt all of those animals they would have had to put down. Why let them die when they should keep them alive.
 
2014-04-24 06:59:55 AM

Capo Del Bandito: Jim_Callahan: 3. Plants have an electrochemical stimulus response to damage that responds to anesthesia. I.e. they feel pain. You MONSTER.

How has no one trolled them with protests over that fact?


Feel free to, but honestly snarky counter-protests only work on people with some degree of self-awareness, like the WBC people.  PETA folk are genuine idiots to the extent of not knowing that they're stupid and what they're advocating is stupid, so there's no real value in trolling them.

Especially because everyone outside of PETA itself already knows that they're wrong.  It's not like trolling creationists, where there are usually some people on the sidelines that just roll with the religious narrative because they never thought about it and thus some value in presenting a counter.  Even animal-rights people that aren't PETA think everyone in PETA is a goddamned nutcase.
 
2014-04-24 07:06:04 AM
If PETA's against animals suffering, then what are they doing about animals hunting other animals?

/people eating tasty animals
//i know, that's way overused
 
2014-04-24 07:09:07 AM
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I grew up on a ranch in Montana, and there were a bunch of wild turkeys.  And, if memory serves, the normal state of wild turkeys is one of abject terror.  I remember them panicking and trampling each other because a jet airliner flew over at about 30,000 feet.  Hell, a cloud could cross the sun, and they'd go nuts ;)
 
2014-04-24 07:10:13 AM

Jim_Callahan: 1. Vegetarianism literally also kills a similar to greater number of animals. Preferring vegetables for "moral reasons" is tantamount to saying that it's morally acceptable to murder one thing over another because it's not as cute.


You said you're not entirely serious, but did you think this was a good argument or not? From your link: "Millions of animals are killed every year, Davis says, to prepare land for growing crops, "like corn, soybean, wheat and barley, the staples of a vegan diet.""
I wonder what the farm animals eat. Let's see. More than two-thirds of all agricultural land is devoted to growing feed for livestock, while only 8 percent is used to grow food for direct human consumption.

As for moral reasons, I don't mind the killing. Predators are natural. I do care about the animals' living conditions, which is a "moral reason" but a different one.

/eats meat, only not from intensive animal farming
 
2014-04-24 07:13:54 AM
 
2014-04-24 07:16:29 AM
Where the turkeys nekkid?
 
2014-04-24 07:22:41 AM

Capo Del Bandito: Jim_Callahan: 3. Plants have an electrochemical stimulus response to damage that responds to anesthesia. I.e. they feel pain. You MONSTER.

How has no one trolled them with protests over that fact?


The Arrogant Worms kinda have. But yeah, it needs to go to the next level, doesn't it?

Veganism does lead to the death of animals. Of course, raising livestock for food also requires the death of small wildlife in the fields, inasmuch as the animals we eat also eat plants, and simple ranging isn't always practical. At best, veganism kills fewer plants and animals than omnivorism. But it's not harmless. A truly dedicated PETA-style vegan would adopt a Jain-style diet.

As for me, I'll remain an omnivore. My family breeds a rare breed of sheep with very cool genetic characteristics that are worth preserving. Plus they're just great animals with loads of personality and the lambs are adorable, okay? As such breeders, we do take on the dual role of caretaker and, well, artificial selector. Some individuals do go to slaughter. And yes, they do taste good.

And the sheep who are pets don't hold it against us. Some of their number go to other farms every year. Some less genetically lucky ones go to the dinner table. Sheep have great memories, so it's not like they don't know something's up. But even the unlucky ones have their time to eat graze and play and see the sun, so it's not all bad.

img.fark.net

That's breeding stock in that picture, actually. And also a cat, who is equally not food.

/Small farms ftw
//Preserve heritage breed livestock
///PETA needs to get a grip
 
2014-04-24 07:24:45 AM

Ilmarinen: You said you're not entirely serious, but did you think this was a good argument or not?


Well, some people have actually done comparative impact studies on it, it's apparently a good argument for pigs, and some varieties of cattle, but not for other cattle varieties or chickens.  Chickens have the highest animal-deaths-per calorie, and cattle actually frequently net better than consuming grain directly.

The truly douche-driven forms of meat like veal  do tend to have some of the highest death/calorie ratios.

I don't see anything about sheep, but I imagine they're pretty low since they're typically open-field grazers with little in the way of supplementary diet (just speculation for the factors posited in the studies I'm looking at, though).

... thanks for making me post a serious post in a silly PETA thread, you horrible person.
 
2014-04-24 07:27:07 AM
I should clarify, it's a "good" argument in the "assuming animal life automatically has inherent moral value" sense.  Obviously not a good argument in the sense of something that sane people with an actual sense of perspective would accept, just in the theoretical 'following the logic to its extreme' sense.
 
2014-04-24 07:29:54 AM
Turkeys? Truck crash?

static.tvtropes.org

Ben Murphy approves this message, you turkey.
 
2014-04-24 07:33:07 AM

Jim_Callahan: Ilmarinen: You said you're not entirely serious, but did you think this was a good argument or not?

Well, some people have actually done comparative impact studies on it, it's apparently a good argument for pigs, and some varieties of cattle, but not for other cattle varieties or chickens.  Chickens have the highest animal-deaths-per calorie, and cattle actually frequently net better than consuming grain directly.

The truly douche-driven forms of meat like veal  do tend to have some of the highest death/calorie ratios.

I don't see anything about sheep, but I imagine they're pretty low since they're typically open-field grazers with little in the way of supplementary diet (just speculation for the factors posited in the studies I'm looking at, though).

... thanks for making me post a serious post in a silly PETA thread, you horrible person.


Varies with sheep. As grazers, as long as they're rotated between pasture land, they're probably pretty low. They are very careful animals. My family's flock grazes most of the year, but gets a supplement of corn and soy, plus hay in the fall/winter. Because we have winter and also snow. (Gestating and lactating ewes also get a supplement of third cutting hay in the spring.)

It's not an intensive operation or a huge flock, however, and I don't know how commercial sheep ranches in, say, Montana operate. Lots of grazing, though. I do know that. And grazing is arguably a more efficient use of less fertile lands than crop farming.
 
2014-04-24 08:01:27 AM

SpinStopper: I grew up on a ranch in Montana, and there were a bunch of wild turkeys.  And, if memory serves, the normal state of wild turkeys is one of abject terror.  I remember them panicking and trampling each other because a jet airliner flew over at about 30,000 feet.  Hell, a cloud could cross the sun, and they'd go nuts ;)


I nearly hit a wild turkey on the interstate the other day. I don't think the turkey noticed anything ( because it just strolled along), but I was pretty terrified for a moment.
 
2014-04-24 08:13:22 AM
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"It's the chlorophyll man.  It makes them crazy."
 
2014-04-24 08:18:45 AM
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2014-04-24 08:26:35 AM
As God as my witness i thought turkeys could drive.
 
2014-04-24 08:47:38 AM

Canton: That's breeding stock in that picture, actually. And also a cat, who is equally not food.


I was noticing the color patterns first and was going to comment that they look like mini-cow things with ram horns...and then I noticed how they're all giving the death glare to the cameraman.

...why do they stare into my soul like that/
 
2014-04-24 09:11:30 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I think we should test this theory by dropping them from a hovering helicopter


One of my favorite episodes of WKRP
 
2014-04-24 11:46:20 AM

SpinStopper: [bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 620x772]

I grew up on a ranch in Montana, and there were a bunch of wild turkeys.  And, if memory serves, the normal state of wild turkeys is one of abject terror.  I remember them panicking and trampling each other because a jet airliner flew over at about 30,000 feet.  Hell, a cloud could cross the sun, and they'd go nuts ;)


Holy shiat that's hilarious! No wonder PETA loves them so much! Takes a turkey to know a turkey

/I'll go home now....
 
2014-04-24 11:50:07 AM
Save the animals!  Save the environment!  Save the planet!  Switch to the All-Monsanto diet!
 
2014-04-24 12:10:20 PM
I'd offer to help, but I'm too busy building tiny memorials to all the dust mites that keep dying around my apartment.

Shiat, there goes some more of them
 
2014-04-24 12:26:35 PM
PETA: The best place for soft core porn.

Exhibit A
Exhibit B
Exhibit C
All possibly NSFW

Uninhibited, possessing poor impulse control, and flawed decision making skills.  If you are ready to violate rule number one*, there is a good time to be had with these girls.

* "Don't go to bed with someone who has more problems than you:".
 
2014-04-24 12:42:06 PM

Capo Del Bandito: ransack.: PETA opposes the suffering of living animals and a humane death is not suffering

So...suffering is living?

By their extremist logic, their members should adopt all of those animals they would have had to put down. Why let them die when they should keep them alive.


I'm not arguing that point, I've just argued with PETA supporters before and that's the argument I've faced several times.

Although I've seen that Temple Grandin documentary and it seems to me that a lot of beef cattle spend their whole lives never locked in a cage, unlike the cats euthanized by PETA.

People should try to be nicer to animals, but the PETA folk make a mockery of themselves and their cause with their satirically extreme views. They actually hurt the cause they claim to care about.
 
2014-04-24 12:50:02 PM
If I were a Texas cattle rancher, I'd brand my animals with the PETA logo. I'd breed cows, pigs, and chickens and sell PETA brand hot dogs. My supply chain would be tightly integrated, monitored and documented and there'd be a tag on the package you could scan with your smartphone and see baby pictures of the individual animals in your sausages.

I'd also donate 25% of my profits to PETA just for the satisfaction of getting the voided check returned with a letter from them telling me they don't want my blood money. And if they did ever cash the check, BOY HOWDY! Would that be a riot!
 
2014-04-24 12:57:48 PM
The problem with PETA and other groups of extremists in any social issue is that they devaluate their cause to the point that when it's needed a serious discussion about a subject, who is gonna take it seriously?

A lots of animal activists may have a valid point, but because nuts like PETA, most people is inclined to roll their eyes and say "fark it...
 
2014-04-24 01:29:11 PM
Pound for pound, PETA has more stupid than most other groups of mammals.
 
2014-04-24 02:32:26 PM
If PETA wants to foot the bill, go for it.
 
2014-04-24 04:00:43 PM
I like meat so I will continue to eat it.  So go suck an egg, PETA.  Also, who am I to argue with millions of years of evolution?
 
2014-04-24 04:03:20 PM
 
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