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(Talking Points Memo)   Koch Brothers exploit Aurora tragedy in attack ad against Colorado Senator Mark Udall. Was that wrong? Should they have not done that?   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 175
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2014-04-23 05:42:07 PM  
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"Republicans are sub-human pieces of excrement."
 
2014-04-23 05:57:06 PM  
oh, but they have money to a hospital once, so that makes them wonderful people
 
2014-04-23 05:59:37 PM  

FlashHarry: [img.fark.net image 200x150]

"Republicans are sub-human pieces of excrement."


damn it!  I didn't realize that was animated at first.  after I posted my comment, I almost squirted Gatorade out of my eyes.
 
2014-04-23 07:24:00 PM  
There is no such thing as a moral republican.
 
2014-04-23 07:24:31 PM  
Yes. That is wrong. You should not do that.
 
2014-04-23 08:10:38 PM  
The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left
 
2014-04-23 08:22:51 PM  
Hasn't Colorado been one of the more successful states for Obamacare? Good luck with that, Koch-Bro dudes.
 
2014-04-23 08:34:59 PM  
Exploiting tragedy in a dishonest attempt to score cheap political points? I've never heard of such a thing. Well, not since that Benghazi thing at least.

/Shameless, soulless, amoral monsters, the pair of them.
 
2014-04-23 08:40:12 PM  
I can't say I exactly see the problem here.

They used a picture of Obama and Udall together that happened to be from an Aurora press conference?  So?  It's not like the photo itself, without context, has anything to do with the tragedy, it's just an arbitrary picture of the two together that has the tone that the ad creator wanted.

/ I'm more liberal than the average socialist and I think the Kochs and their cronies are assbags, just not for this reason.
 
2014-04-23 08:46:20 PM  
They're rich.  They can do whatever they want.
 
2014-04-23 08:49:02 PM  

Abner Doon: I can't say I exactly see the problem here.

They used a picture of Obama and Udall together that happened to be from an Aurora press conference?  So?  It's not like the photo itself, without context, has anything to do with the tragedy, it's just an arbitrary picture of the two together that has the tone that the ad creator wanted.

/ I'm more liberal than the average socialist and I think the Kochs and their cronies are assbags, just not for this reason.


It's not wise to skip Two Minutes Hate.
 
2014-04-23 08:49:18 PM  
I think the real news is that it is frickin' April and they have been running campaign ads for some time now. (Not to mention a ton of BS anti-ACA ads for even longer.)
 
2014-04-23 08:50:03 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: I think the real news is that it is frickin' April and they have been running campaign ads for some time now. (Not to mention a ton of BS anti-ACA ads for even longer.)


Campaign ads stop running?
 
2014-04-23 08:52:27 PM  
I guess they didn't think anyone would notice.  Money well spent.
 
2014-04-23 08:53:54 PM  
I do find it interesting, coming from TFA, that the video was removed "by the user". Were they not thinking coherently when they uploaded the video? What the fark were they trying to achieve and why would they expect some sort of success with this bullshiat? Maybe they're scraping the bottom of the barrell of the right wing lower-class?
 
2014-04-23 08:54:59 PM  

fusillade762: The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left


They're such incredible pieces of shiat.
 
2014-04-23 08:56:30 PM  
Wait, this guy voted to give more people healthcare? World's Greatest Monster!
 
2014-04-23 08:57:41 PM  
Are they attacking him on gun rights?  Because "Hey, that massacre happened in a gun-free zone, which tends to be a trend for whatever reason, maybe those aren't such a good idea" is a legitimate use of that tragedy (to the extent that this is the case, and that attack ads are allowed).

If you're not allowed to touch tragedy, then you can't biatch about anything that someone screwed up.

Oh. It was for Obamacare.  Oh.

Ok, fark them.
 
2014-04-23 08:57:44 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: fusillade762: The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left

They're such incredible pieces of shiat.


And they're stupid as hell.  How much money did they waste on Romney and the entire 2012 election?  For rich people whining about high taxes, they sure as fark can throw a ton of cash to lose an election and brand their name in the media as Out-of-Touch Silver Spoon Trust Fund Assholes.
 
2014-04-23 09:10:31 PM  

Abner Doon: I can't say I exactly see the problem here.

They used a picture of Obama and Udall together that happened to be from an Aurora press conference?  So?  It's not like the photo itself, without context, has anything to do with the tragedy, it's just an arbitrary picture of the two together that has the tone that the ad creator wanted.

/ I'm more liberal than the average socialist and I think the Kochs and their cronies are assbags, just not for this reason.


Yeah....my outrage meter isn't moving much on this and I'm contemplating writing in Obama's name in 2016
 
2014-04-23 09:13:41 PM  
Is this the thread where democrats pretend their party never does the same thing?
 
2014-04-23 09:13:51 PM  

GoldSpider: Abner Doon: I can't say I exactly see the problem here.

They used a picture of Obama and Udall together that happened to be from an Aurora press conference?  So?  It's not like the photo itself, without context, has anything to do with the tragedy, it's just an arbitrary picture of the two together that has the tone that the ad creator wanted.

/ I'm more liberal than the average socialist and I think the Kochs and their cronies are assbags, just not for this reason.

It's not wise to skip Two Minutes Hate.


Yes. Liberals are the Real Propagandists™ for not liking the Koch brothers' propaganda.
 
2014-04-23 09:14:17 PM  
Jesus, that was a ghoulish thing to do.
 
2014-04-23 09:15:03 PM  
Koch Bros circle jerk in MY fark? No way!
 
2014-04-23 09:17:33 PM  

Fart_Machine: Wait, this guy voted to give more people healthcare? World's Greatest Monster!


Well, they can't yet QUITE bring themselves to dry-wash their hands and say "Are there no prisons? Are there no work-houses?" so this is the best they can do.
 
2014-04-23 09:20:12 PM  
"...Gardner surely has the decency to publicly condemn the Koch brothers for this cynical ad."

That's quite an assumption. I would have said, "It is, strictly speaking, technically within the boundary of remote theoretical possibility that Gardner has the decency, etc."
 
2014-04-23 09:22:01 PM  

Wendy's Chili: GoldSpider: Abner Doon: I can't say I exactly see the problem here.

They used a picture of Obama and Udall together that happened to be from an Aurora press conference?  So?  It's not like the photo itself, without context, has anything to do with the tragedy, it's just an arbitrary picture of the two together that has the tone that the ad creator wanted.

/ I'm more liberal than the average socialist and I think the Kochs and their cronies are assbags, just not for this reason.

It's not wise to skip Two Minutes Hate.

Yes. Liberals are the Real Propagandists™ for not liking the Koch brothers' propaganda.


Both sides are bad so vote Frank Stallone
 
2014-04-23 09:24:31 PM  

fusillade762: The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left


Yeah I love this new tactic. You've seen it hear on FARK to.

If they are willing to add a public option or single payer we will defiantly look into adding that.
 
2014-04-23 09:24:51 PM  
Right wing trolls; don't you ever feel bad about having your side being so full of shiat?  Not even a little?
 
2014-04-23 09:26:12 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Is this the thread where democrats pretend their party never does the same thing?


Is this the comment where someone pretends that Democrats actions (real or made up) somehow make it so that Republicans have no responsibility for their own actions?
 
2014-04-23 09:28:49 PM  

fenianfark: Jesus, that was a ghoulish thing to do.


How can someone not ask "hey, where is that picture from?" before it goes into an ad? Wow.
 
2014-04-23 09:32:50 PM  
They took a photo of Udall and Obama that was taken in a hospital post-Aurora.  They photoshopped out all references to Aurora, and did not mention the shooting.

ThisIsAnOutrage.jpg

Not only would I have kept the advertisement up, I'd then run a new one featuring a slideshow of photos of Udall and Obama together.  I'd remind voters repeatedly that Udall and Obama are in agreement on 99% of issues, including Obamacare and gun restrictions.
 
2014-04-23 09:32:53 PM  
farking out of staters... Christie, Kochs... get the fark out...
 
2014-04-23 09:33:01 PM  

fusillade762: The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left


What the hell?  Is this America In Wonderland now?  Everything that was bad is good, Liberals are against change, Conservatives are the real environmentalists... They're just saying they're for any kind of shiat that gets good polling now.  Up is down, black is white (except in the White House), left is right, right is wrong.

This just smacks of a child saying anything to not get busted for lying.  And it will work too well.
 
2014-04-23 09:33:34 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Right wing trolls; don't you ever feel bad about having your side being so full of shiat?  Not even a little?


Of course not. As seen in this thread they just scream "No U!" in order to drown out any voice of conscience that might dare to speak up in their heads.
 
2014-04-23 09:34:07 PM  

Corvus: fusillade762: The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left

Yeah I love this new tactic. You've seen it hear on FARK to.

If they are willing to add a public option or single payer we will defiantly look into adding that.


Do not taunt the Grammar Nazis.
 
2014-04-23 09:35:18 PM  

Aquapope: fusillade762: The funny part is they're apparently now attacking the ACA for not being LIBERAL enough.

When the right attacks the ACA from the left

What the hell?  Is this America In Wonderland now?  Everything that was bad is good, Liberals are against change, Conservatives are the real environmentalists... They're just saying they're for any kind of shiat that gets good polling now.  Up is down, black is white (except in the White House), left is right, right is wrong.

This just smacks of a child saying anything to not get busted for lying.  And it will work too well.


http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/04/22/right-is-the-new-left/
 
2014-04-23 09:35:31 PM  

Yakk: fenianfark: Jesus, that was a ghoulish thing to do.

How can someone not ask "hey, where is that picture from?" before it goes into an ad? Wow.


Someone googled "sad Udall", found that one and got a boner about how perfect it would be in an attack ad.
 
2014-04-23 09:36:02 PM  

Captain Dan: They took a photo of Udall and Obama that was taken in a hospital post-Aurora.  They photoshopped out all references to Aurora, and did not mention the shooting.

ThisIsAnOutrage.jpg

Not only would I have kept the advertisement up, I'd then run a new one featuring a slideshow of photos of Udall and Obama together.  I'd remind voters repeatedly that Udall and Obama are in agreement on 99% of issues, including Obamacare and gun restrictions.


Run an ad featuring pictures post-mass-shooting where you advocate fewer gun restrictions... tell me how that goes. Centrists already hate the NRA here b/c of what they did after Columbine, they're used to the right rubbing salt in the wound... you ever stop to think about how CO went from solidly red to going blue 8 years in a row?
 
2014-04-23 09:36:18 PM  

Thrag: Of course not. As seen in this thread they just scream "No U!" in order to drown out any voice of conscience that might dare to speak up in their heads.


This doesn't merit a "No U!", because Republicans haven't done anything wrong at all.  They didn't politicize Aurora.  They didn't even mention it.
 
2014-04-23 09:36:48 PM  

Captain Dan: They took a photo of Udall and Obama that was taken in a hospital post-Aurora.  They photoshopped out all references to Aurora, and did not mention the shooting.

ThisIsAnOutrage.jpg

Not only would I have kept the advertisement up, I'd then run a new one featuring a slideshow of photos of Udall and Obama together.  I'd remind voters repeatedly that Udall and Obama are in agreement on 99% of issues, including Obamacare and gun restrictions.


But political views can never be criticized in a polite society! That's your dumb opinion.
 
2014-04-23 09:37:32 PM  

Captain Dan: Thrag: Of course not. As seen in this thread they just scream "No U!" in order to drown out any voice of conscience that might dare to speak up in their heads.

This doesn't merit a "No U!", because Republicans haven't done anything wrong at all.  They didn't politicize Aurora.  They didn't even mention it.


you mean other than that picture from the hospital, right after the shooting, while Udall and Obama were there for grieving families?
 
2014-04-23 09:37:56 PM  
Even if they had used the original picture I wouldn't have known it was an Aurora thing.
 
2014-04-23 09:38:37 PM  

firefly212: Captain Dan: They took a photo of Udall and Obama that was taken in a hospital post-Aurora.  They photoshopped out all references to Aurora, and did not mention the shooting.

ThisIsAnOutrage.jpg

Not only would I have kept the advertisement up, I'd then run a new one featuring a slideshow of photos of Udall and Obama together.  I'd remind voters repeatedly that Udall and Obama are in agreement on 99% of issues, including Obamacare and gun restrictions.

Run an ad featuring pictures post-mass-shooting where you advocate fewer gun restrictions... tell me how that goes. Centrists already hate the NRA here b/c of what they did after Columbine, they're used to the right rubbing salt in the wound... you ever stop to think about how CO went from solidly red to going blue 8 years in a row?


"Voter fraud"
"47%"
 
2014-04-23 09:40:52 PM  

firefly212: Run an ad featuring pictures post-mass-shooting where you advocate fewer gun restrictions... tell me how that goes. Centrists already hate the NRA here b/c of what they did after Columbine, they're used to the right rubbing salt in the wound... you ever stop to think about how CO went from solidly red to going blue 8 years in a row?


Nobody would have known that photo took place after Aurora by looking at the ad.  There's no reference to Aurora anywhere.

Should they have used a different photo of Udall and Obama together?  Maybe.  It doesn't matter to me at all.  The more sensitive souls amongst us (assuming generously that they're not Democratic partisans with a corrosive hatred for the Koch brothers) might be placated, so I'd lean towards yes.

I am very willing to test your theory that centrists oppose the NRA, especially after several of your state's politicians were recalled over gun rights.
 
2014-04-23 09:43:30 PM  

firefly212: you mean other than that picture from the hospital, right after the shooting, while Udall and Obama were there for grieving families?


They removed that context so as to avoid any reference to Aurora.  They deliberately went out of their way to avoid politicizing it.
 
2014-04-23 09:43:41 PM  

EatenTheSun: Even if they had used the original picture I wouldn't have known it was an Aurora thing.


Most wouldn't. And really, it's not outrageous so much as lazy. Someone saw a picture of Udall and Obama looking sad and thought it was awesome to grab because it could paint them being sad at socialisming America and doing so in concert.

It's just mildly dickish to use a picture of people reacting to a mass shooting as a gotcha moment. Especially when a reverse GIS takes all of 2 seconds.
 
2014-04-23 09:44:12 PM  

Captain Dan: They took a photo of Udall and Obama that was taken in a hospital post-Aurora.  They photoshopped out all references to Aurora, and did not mention the shooting.

ThisIsAnOutrage.jpg

Not only would I have kept the advertisement up, I'd then run a new one featuring a slideshow of photos of Udall and Obama together.  I'd remind voters repeatedly that Udall and Obama are in agreement on 99% of issues, including Obamacare and gun restrictions.


Heh.  Agreed, they should go with that.  It's important for the American people to get more clear reminders of how amazingly sociopathic Republicans really are.  *shakes my head*
 
2014-04-23 09:44:23 PM  
usatelections.files.wordpress.com

This picture looks to be from the same setting but I guess it's ok for USA Today to use it.
 
2014-04-23 09:45:08 PM  

Captain Dan: firefly212: Run an ad featuring pictures post-mass-shooting where you advocate fewer gun restrictions... tell me how that goes. Centrists already hate the NRA here b/c of what they did after Columbine, they're used to the right rubbing salt in the wound... you ever stop to think about how CO went from solidly red to going blue 8 years in a row?

Nobody would have known that photo took place after Aurora by looking at the ad.  There's no reference to Aurora anywhere.

Should they have used a different photo of Udall and Obama together?  Maybe.  It doesn't matter to me at all.  The more sensitive souls amongst us (assuming generously that they're not Democratic partisans with a corrosive hatred for the Koch brothers) might be placated, so I'd lean towards yes.

I am very willing to test your theory that centrists oppose the NRA, especially after several of your state's politicians were recalled over gun rights.


"Several"

fark you are stupid. I cannot believe I ever gave you the least bit of credit. You're farking Nemo's Brother.

Drink Polonium.
 
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