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(Guardian)   Governor of Oklahoma can't wait to kill some people. No, really, she can't wait   (theguardian.com) divider line 120
    More: Scary, Governor of Oklahoma, stay of execution, death penalty, due processes, Oklahoma Supreme Court, constitutional crisis, Mary Fallin, Republican governors  
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2014-04-23 08:06:23 PM  
Do you know who else can't wait?

i.imgur.com

ALCOA.

ALCOA can't wait.
 
2014-04-23 08:12:53 PM  
I still don't understand why they don't just use helium. As a bonus it would make those last words much funnier.
 
2014-04-23 08:17:31 PM  
What a charming woman.
 
2014-04-23 08:31:30 PM  

SilentStrider: What a charming woman.


You have no idea......

/and the people here eat that shiat up.
 
2014-04-23 09:21:18 PM  
I love that cross around her neck... it really emphasizes how much she loves the death penalty.
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2014-04-23 09:28:51 PM  
Wow. Is she going to strap the guys down, mix the Phenobarbital and inject it into their veins herself?
 
2014-04-23 09:33:00 PM  

stpauler: I love that cross around her neck... it really emphasizes how much she loves the death penalty.
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www.planetdiecast.com
 
2014-04-23 09:33:55 PM  
Thats....... impressive.  I'm not entirely over how all the courts (appeal, supreme, circuits etc) work, as I'm not in the US, but even I know that you don't just go "neenerneenerneener" to a supreme court order....

/actually if anyone can point me in the direction of a decent explanation of how they system fits together, I'd like to read it.
 
2014-04-23 09:38:02 PM  
Her talent for alienating folks in near miraculous.

/Not saying Oklahoma was hard to find
//It's kind of out of the way
///Woman's looking to kill some folks
 
2014-04-23 09:38:40 PM  
So this woman is kind of an idiot.
 
2014-04-23 09:40:09 PM  

Fart_Machine: So this woman is kind of an idiot.


She reflects her constituency well.
 
2014-04-23 09:42:26 PM  

fusillade762: I still don't understand why they don't just use helium. As a bonus it would make those last words much funnier.


IIRC, you'd need an awful lot of it before it would work. Helium is lethal because it displaces oxygen in the bloodstream, so you'd need to fill a good-sized room with it. It's easier/less expensive to just get a few potassium cyanide tablets.

One of the things I truly do not understand about some right-wingers is the sheer glee with which they contemplate the idea of taking another human life. You see it with pro-death penalty supporters, you see it with bright sparks like this woman, and you see it with a whole lot of gun advocates.
 
2014-04-23 09:43:00 PM  
Why does it have to be a secret where the execution drugs come from? Shouldn't they be proud that they're doing the Lord's work?
 
2014-04-23 09:43:22 PM  
Oklahoma continues to try to be more than Texas' ten-gallon hat
 
2014-04-23 09:45:30 PM  
Good f**king lord, it's a female Rick Perry.
 
2014-04-23 09:47:30 PM  
potatohoma
 
2014-04-23 09:49:01 PM  
How many rich people in America have ever gotten the death penalty?

Think about that. Will you?
 
2014-04-23 09:50:08 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Why does it have to be a secret where the execution drugs come from? Shouldn't they be proud that they're doing the Lord's work?


The manufacturer(s) of the drugs used in their new cocktail likely strenuously object to such a use of their product.  And if the state of Oklahoma is buying them from a middleman, it's entirely likely that said middleman is violating their contract with the manufacturer.

So the state doesn't want to reveal how they are breaking contracts and possibly laws about the use of prescription drugs for a non-medical purpose.

Fallin is just protecting her drug dealers, that's all.
 
2014-04-23 09:50:57 PM  
I live here and what I don't get about the story is, why not just tell them where the drugs come from?
 
2014-04-23 09:51:38 PM  

TV's Vinnie: How many rich people in America have ever gotten the death penalty?

Think about that. Will you?


Rich people don't commit crimes.  They just have momentary lapses in judgement.
 
2014-04-23 09:52:41 PM  

Bonzo_1116: Gyrfalcon: Why does it have to be a secret where the execution drugs come from? Shouldn't they be proud that they're doing the Lord's work?

The manufacturer(s) of the drugs used in their new cocktail likely strenuously object to such a use of their product.  And if the state of Oklahoma is buying them from a middleman, it's entirely likely that said middleman is violating their contract with the manufacturer.

So the state doesn't want to reveal how they are breaking contracts and possibly laws about the use of prescription drugs for a non-medical purpose.

Fallin is just protecting her drug dealers, that's all.


That make sense. Drug dealers can be nasty when they're exposed.
 
2014-04-23 09:53:05 PM  

vernonFL: Wow. Is she going to strap the guys down, mix the Phenobarbital and inject it into their veins herself?


They should bring back the firing squad or the gallows.  I'm sure it would make for better TV.
 
2014-04-23 09:54:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Why does it have to be a secret where the execution drugs come from? Shouldn't they be proud that they're doing the Lord's work?


It doesn't  have to be, but I don't think the fact that it's not public record is really a valid reason for a stay of execution in the larger sense.  If everyone agrees they're guilty, and agrees with the penalty, and the drugs are know to work, there is nothing in the provenance of the drugs that calls for things to be stopped without actual evidence that there's something wrong with those drugs.

Basically there's not obligation to disclose this either and this is some judges trying to play activists instead of a legitimate objections.  If you want to know then file some FOIA requests and take it through the court systems the normal way if the state tries to block it.
 
2014-04-23 09:55:40 PM  

wandero: fusillade762: I still don't understand why they don't just use helium. As a bonus it would make those last words much funnier.

IIRC, you'd need an awful lot of it before it would work. Helium is lethal because it displaces oxygen in the bloodstream, so you'd need to fill a good-sized room with it. It's easier/less expensive to just get a few potassium cyanide tablets.

One of the things I truly do not understand about some right-wingers is the sheer glee with which they contemplate the idea of taking another human life. You see it with pro-death penalty supporters, you see it with bright sparks like this woman, and you see it with a whole lot of gun advocates.


You don't need to fill a whole room, just put a mask on them.

And I'm anti-death penalty. Just in case that last paragraph was directed at me.
 
2014-04-23 09:58:48 PM  
I want to kill.

I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL."
 
2014-04-23 09:59:15 PM  

basemetal: SilentStrider: What a charming woman.

You have no idea......

/and the people here eat that shiat up.



And this is why I don't consider the US a civilized country.  We're Afghanistan with iPads.
 
2014-04-23 10:00:00 PM  
So don't use a fatal cocktail of drugs. Just hang them if they're truly guilty.

/Dope isn't the only way to execute them.
//Doesn't anyone in OK watch "Game of Thrones?"
 
2014-04-23 10:02:46 PM  
I bet the governor is pro-life too.

She''s a piece of work

http://www.policymic.com/articles/87831/oklahoma-s-governor-has-quie tl y-passed-a-bill-with-devastating-consequences-for-young-people
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin signed a bill last Monday banning cities in the state from establishing a mandatory minimum wage or requiring employers to provide a mandatory minimum number of paid sick or leave days
 
2014-04-23 10:03:35 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Gyrfalcon: Why does it have to be a secret where the execution drugs come from? Shouldn't they be proud that they're doing the Lord's work?

It doesn't  have to be, but I don't think the fact that it's not public record is really a valid reason for a stay of execution in the larger sense.  If everyone agrees they're guilty, and agrees with the penalty, and the drugs are know to work, there is nothing in the provenance of the drugs that calls for things to be stopped without actual evidence that there's something wrong with those drugs.

Basically there's not obligation to disclose this either and this is some judges trying to play activists instead of a legitimate objections.  If you want to know then file some FOIA requests and take it through the court systems the normal way if the state tries to block it.


I think it has to do with the drug companies not wanting their drugs to be used to kill other people. The point of medicine being used "not for its intended purpose" is a crime, and in theory the state is just as liable for that as any other criminal. Then you get into the whole constitution thing of "Cruel and unusual punishmet", to which lawyers have argued that medicine being used to euthanize livestock and other pets in a veteranary sense is a "cruel or unusual" form of punishment when applied to humans.

Doctors and nurses are also forbidden to make an injection due to the hippocratic oath and (more importantly) the state medical boards who would revoke their license. Which means it is up to unskilled jailers to find and tap the vein and "hope" that whatever concoction they come up with is enough to kill them quickly and silently.

And if a prison executes someone with a particular chemical, there is liability for the drug company in the eyes of the law (even if it's made plain and clear their drugs are not to be used on human subjects), and they must put forth the effort to not allow their product to be used in an inappropriate way. By disclosing what drugs are used, the companies then simply refuse to send them more drugs.
 
2014-04-23 10:05:25 PM  

The Name: basemetal: SilentStrider: What a charming woman.

You have no idea......

/and the people here eat that shiat up.


And this is why I don't consider the US a civilized country.  We're Afghanistan with iPads.



Afghanistan has at least some iPads.  We're actually Afghanistan with ham sanwiches and beer.
 
2014-04-23 10:06:46 PM  
All suppliers of execution drugs should be publicly identified and shamed out of business, as has been successfully done with previous suppliers, to incapacitate states' current execution methods and force them to turn to new methods that will be halted by Eighth Amendment "cruel and unusual punishment" challenges. Execution is obviously cruel, so if any state introduces a new execution method, that is obviously unusual, thus capital punishment is stymied, whether a wrongful pro-capital punishment majority of a state's citizens want it or not. Fear of this scenario is why states are trying to conceal the few sources of execution drugs they have left.
 
2014-04-23 10:06:59 PM  

Vodka Zombie: TV's Vinnie: How many rich people in America have ever gotten the death penalty?

Think about that. Will you?

Rich people don't commit crimes.  They just have momentary lapses in judgement affluenza.


FTFY
 
2014-04-23 10:10:05 PM  

vernonFL: Wow. Is she going to strap the guys down, mix the Phenobarbital and inject it into their veins herself?


If it would get her another 5-10% in the polls (and that many more votes) you can bet your ass she would.
 
2014-04-23 10:11:07 PM  

Bonzo_1116: They should bring back the firing squad or the gallows. I'm sure it would make for better TV.


I'm anti-death penalty, but I say if you're gonna do it, yeah, do it by hanging or firing squad, right out in front of the governor's mansion or the statehouse at high noon, with the TV cameras rolling. Right now, we're  managing to be both barbaric AND squeamish.
 
2014-04-23 10:12:59 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I want to kill.

I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL."


You should have some pie.
 
2014-04-23 10:15:04 PM  
The stay was lifted, "crisis" adverted.
 
2014-04-23 10:15:24 PM  

deffuse: Thats....... impressive.  I'm not entirely over how all the courts (appeal, supreme, circuits etc) work, as I'm not in the US, but even I know that you don't just go "neenerneenerneener" to a supreme court order....

/actually if anyone can point me in the direction of a decent explanation of how they system fits together, I'd like to read it.


1) Be white, rich, and from a politically connected family.
2) Do whatever the hell you feel like.

/Each state has its own specific reviews and automatic appeals, even before any federal level courts get involved and then there's time limits on entering evidence, because exculpatory evidence has a best by date and witness recanting clearly means they're lying now and not then... It's a pretty messed up system.
 
2014-04-23 10:24:03 PM  

stpauler: I love that cross around her neck... it really emphasizes how much she loves the death penalty.


She would've been on the Romans' side. He was acting against the state sanctioned religion.
 
2014-04-23 10:24:09 PM  

geoduck42: Bonzo_1116: They should bring back the firing squad or the gallows. I'm sure it would make for better TV.

I'm anti-death penalty, but I say if you're gonna do it, yeah, do it by hanging or firing squad, right out in front of the governor's mansion or the statehouse at high noon, with the TV cameras rolling. Right now, we're  managing to be both barbaric AND squeamish.


Three rounds in the head is quick, cheap and painless.  (I say three just so there is no accidental survival after the first shot, make sure you get the job done correctly and immediately.)  I think that would be much more humane then the methods we currently use.
 
2014-04-23 10:24:16 PM  
The judiciary pissed her off and now she is causing them to back down. This state ahas been possessed with a polarizing bloodlust for these two men's lives. The issue is the constitutionality of hiding a government record from FOIA in an attempt to get around the fact pharmaceutical companies won't sell the drugs to the state anymore. They won't do so because other civilized countries (i.e. Europe) won't buy from the company on moral grounds if they knew the company participated in the death penalty. Instead of reassessing our stance on the death penalty, people are calling for the condemned's heads. One has been in jail since 1999, the other 1997. There is no rush involved in this case. Anti-death penalty (can't say pro-life, that is the governor's side...) organizations are backing the inmates in questioning the methods of execution. For good reason.

Oklahoma inmate Michael Lee Wilson's last words as he was executed Jan. 9 were: "I feel my whole body burning."   http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/government/gov-mary-fallin-issues--day - stay-for-inmate-s/article_3743eedd-b94e-5971-be11-6bf773ea9eb6.html 

If that doesn't violate the eight amendment I don't know what does.

It is election season and these executions are being used as political theater.

Facebook is toxic lately. Fark this state.

Fun Fact- Mary Falin was known as "falling mary" for the quickness she would get to her knees to further her career, as Lt. Governor she had a sex scandal involving a member of her protective detail.
 
2014-04-23 10:25:02 PM  
Mary Failin?
 
2014-04-23 10:34:00 PM  

meat0918: I bet the governor is pro-life too.

She''s a piece of work

http://www.policymic.com/articles/87831/oklahoma-s-governor-has-quie tl y-passed-a-bill-with-devastating-consequences-for-young-people
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin signed a bill last Monday banning cities in the state from establishing a mandatory minimum wage or requiring employers to provide a mandatory minimum number of paid sick or leave days


While it's a dick move aren't they required to follow federal law on minimum wage and what not? So at least some adults are making sure they can't actually have no minimum wage.
 
2014-04-23 10:35:06 PM  
What a charming lady.
 
2014-04-23 10:37:02 PM  

GardenWeasel: Lenny_da_Hog: I want to kill.

I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL."

You should have some pie.


I can get anything I want.
 
2014-04-23 10:37:50 PM  
Good for her!

We need less hung juries and more hung defendants.
 
2014-04-23 10:43:52 PM  
Wow, another "do what we want or we'll impeach you" story. Them Republicans simply won't take no for an answer.
 
2014-04-23 10:46:07 PM  

stpauler: I love that cross around her neck... it really emphasizes how much she loves the death penalty.
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I actually think the idea is that if there hadn't been a death penalty, Jesus couldn't have saved everybody (everybody who's not going to hell, anyway), so that makes it good.
 
2014-04-23 10:46:51 PM  
"the court said the inmates had failed to demonstrate "actual injury""

Are they basically saying "We have to execute you before you'll have a case for your rights being violated"
 
2014-04-23 10:49:49 PM  

Semi-Semetic: meat0918: I bet the governor is pro-life too.

She''s a piece of work

http://www.policymic.com/articles/87831/oklahoma-s-governor-has-quie tl y-passed-a-bill-with-devastating-consequences-for-young-people
Oklahoma Gov. Mary Fallin signed a bill last Monday banning cities in the state from establishing a mandatory minimum wage or requiring employers to provide a mandatory minimum number of paid sick or leave days

While it's a dick move aren't they required to follow federal law on minimum wage and what not? So at least some adults are making sure they can't actually have no minimum wage.


OKC has a grassroots move to increase the minimum wage in the municipality due to the booming economy. It has union funding and she has to oppose them per her overlords. Also, if the rural residents saw that it doesn't negatively impact the economy they might do the same and diminish the state's power and influence. Same lady just signed the bill saying if you have solar panels you can be charged a different rate than the normal consumer.
 
2014-04-23 10:51:30 PM  

stpauler: I love that cross around her neck... it really emphasizes how much she loves the death penalty.
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This.
What a holy little Jesus-lovin' Christian.
 
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