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(Talking Points Memo)   Bill O'Reilly asks Bundy Militia member:"How does your protest differ from Occupy Wall Street?" Bundy supporter:"Mr. Bundy is providing the country with beef." Hey everybody: FREE STEAKS   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line 387
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2014-04-23 08:28:33 PM  

Cryoteck: Your dog wants Bill O'Reilly?


Chopper, sic balls.
 
2014-04-23 08:29:10 PM  

GoldSpider: 1. These ranchers are Grade-A assholes morons and local authorities should be working to separate them from the pack and arresting them over the standoff.


FTFM.

cdn0.sbnation.com
 
2014-04-23 08:40:46 PM  

youmightberight: As a reasonably fit guy with a size 17 1/2 neck I can assure you that anything over a 17 neck is cut more like a tent than a shirt.


Never heard of a tailor? Costs like $30 or less to have the shirt pulled in.
 
2014-04-23 08:42:53 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: sigdiamond2000: I'm still mystified by the "take the battle to your baldness" cue-ball look that so many bald men in this country favor.

What is the thinking here? That you'll look less bald if you're totally bald?


img.fark.net


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but most folk actually prefer totally bald to the unkempt-looking mange of partial baldness.  I'm reminded of this storyline from girls with slingshots.
 
2014-04-23 08:49:43 PM  
Bundy Militia? I thought they called it NO MA'AM.

Do you suppose serial killer Ted Bundy would be embarrassed by his namesake if he were alive today?

Speaking of serial killers, what odds are you giving that Burning Man's prank on the Bundy Farm will result in half of the hipsters in Hollywood and TV being massacred?

Is it too soon to send Ted McGinty in to kill Fox and Friends? How about a CIA-style hit on Rush Limbaugh? Ted Nugent?
 
2014-04-23 08:54:56 PM  

optikeye: Fine...just keep confiscated the cattle from his ranch that's on BLM land. Eventually the dude will die off and his family will pay the grazing fee that EVERYONE else pays in the BLM system near his ranch.

If you don't want your cattle taken---then keep the damn things off federal land unless you pay a fee for using that land....heck even people that Camp on federal land pay a camping fee.


That's exactly what BLM was doing: they corralled about 400 of the 900+ head of cattle he was grazing on the land, Bundy raised a militia, and then stormed the portion of the Bunkerville Allotment where the corralled cattle were being kept and made the BLM surrender them by gunpoint.

Apparently this is a great victory for people like Sean Hannity who see this as the little guy successfully fending off an attack on his home by jackbooted thugs from the federal government.
 
2014-04-23 09:11:01 PM  
This would be reat news for the burning man people, but I think most of them are vegies.
 
2014-04-23 09:15:33 PM  

sigdiamond2000: He looks like he's questioning whether O'Reilly even lifts.


You know, sometimes posting a comment that funny is a real distraction to the people trying to read a thread.

/lol
 
2014-04-23 09:20:54 PM  

GoldSpider: Harry Ried is (still) a grandstanding shiatbag.


The blaming of both sides and pretending they are on equal footing is a requirement for your brain to function isn't it?
 
2014-04-23 09:22:14 PM  

stonelotus: 1. soap & water readily available
2. no drum circles
3. deodorant in use
4. no dreadlocks
5. a distinct lack of patchouli


Availability of soap does not necessarily mean the use of such.

I also wouldn't bank on #3.
 
2014-04-23 09:22:30 PM  

Canton: iheartscotch: To be fair. His cow have probably done more for the US than the entirety of the Occupy movement.

/ what's the difference between a cow and a hippy? Cows actually have a purpose.

And the cows might actually fight back.


Cows with guns?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI&feature=kp
 
2014-04-23 09:23:06 PM  

HawgWild: I love these Bundy threads.


So do I. I don't know if I can think of a single issue on the planet that is as perfect of a litmus test for moron/non moron as this.

Bundy is simply indefensible, and anyone even attempting to defend his/the militia's actions can pretty safely be ignored and ridiculed. It's not even really a matter of opinion, this one is truly black and white.
 
2014-04-23 09:25:45 PM  

Bob Robert: GoldSpider: Harry Ried is (still) a grandstanding shiatbag.

The blaming of both sides and pretending they are on equal footing is a requirement for your brain to function isn't it?


I neither blamed both sides nor equated them. Your reading comprehension skills are below average even by Fark standards.
 
2014-04-23 09:29:52 PM  
From what I read so far, Subby is gonna need a bigger boat...

www.haverodwilltravel.com
 
2014-04-23 09:30:04 PM  

vernonFL: James!: George F*cking Washington 2014.

He looks like a guy I met at a gay bar last week. He is the hot bearded daddy bear type.

Plus he got the crazy eyes. Hot.


img4.wikia.nocookie.net

I'll bet he serves up a mean cock-meat sandwich.
 
2014-04-23 09:30:43 PM  

GoldSpider: Bob Robert: GoldSpider: Harry Ried is (still) a grandstanding shiatbag.

The blaming of both sides and pretending they are on equal footing is a requirement for your brain to function isn't it?

I neither blamed both sides nor equated them. Your reading comprehension skills are below average even by Fark standards.


So he's a shait bag for calling domestic terrorists domestic terrorists?
 
2014-04-23 09:35:21 PM  

Fart_Machine: GoldSpider: Bob Robert: GoldSpider: Harry Ried is (still) a grandstanding shiatbag.

The blaming of both sides and pretending they are on equal footing is a requirement for your brain to function isn't it?

I neither blamed both sides nor equated them. Your reading comprehension skills are below average even by Fark standards.

So he's a shait bag for calling domestic terrorists domestic terrorists?


Just the grandstanding variety.
 
2014-04-23 09:52:41 PM  

GoldSpider: I neither blamed both sides nor equated them. Your reading comprehension skills are below average even by Fark standards.


Yes you did. You tried comparing the actions of the militias and the Bundy's to the action of Reid. But since you cannot prove what Reid said is wrong, you have to cry that he is grandstanding.
 
2014-04-23 10:03:21 PM  

Bob Robert: You tried comparing the actions of the militias and the Bundy's to the action of Reid.


If you say so, despite the actual words I posted...

Bob Robert: But since you cannot prove what Reid said is wrong, you have to cry that he is grandstanding.


What's there to prove or disprove?  He said what he said.  He's voiced a personal opinion, using (in my opinion) emotionally charged rhetoric that adds zero substance to the discussion of how incidents like the Bundy ranchers should be handled in the future.

Account created: 2014-04-18 15:02:55 (5 days ago)

Oh, I see.  Carry on.
 
2014-04-23 10:10:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Bob Robert: RedVentrue: OWS got thier arse kicked all over. This is why the 2nd is important.

So if only OWS was armed to the teeth, they would have got their way and wouldn't have been targeted even heavier by the law? In what universe?

I think they would have thought twice about being so heavy handed. Some sort of compromise might have been reached.

Yes, armed protesters attacking police would totally not have escalated the situation.

The alternative is armed police killing protesters. Is that better?

Where did armed police kill protesters?


I seem to remember one strapping youg hero that was aiming tear gas canisters at protesters heads during OWS. At least one of them died
 
2014-04-23 10:15:49 PM  

dr_blasto: RedVentrue: Baz744: RedVentrue: Serious Black: You didn't destroy property and weren't arrested because BLM agents assumed (probably correctly) that you would try to murder them if they didn't de-escalate the situation. Last I checked, nobody in OWS waved guns in the faces of federal agents and dared them to play chicken.

OWS got thier arse kicked all over. This is why the 2nd is important.

It makes the gov think twice before jackbooting.

It equally impedes the just enforcement of constitutionally permissible laws against self-entitled jackholes who think they have a unilateral right to determine usage disposition over lawfully held and administrated public land.

Like in the Bundy case, for example.

I'm not saying Bundy was right, or even justified. I'm saying he was effective.

Maybe in a 'win the battle, lose the war' kind of way. No long-term outlook for him is positive.


Quite true. If he's alone.

He probably will be.
 
2014-04-23 10:16:29 PM  

dr_blasto: RedVentrue: Baz744: RedVentrue: Serious Black: You didn't destroy property and weren't arrested because BLM agents assumed (probably correctly) that you would try to murder them if they didn't de-escalate the situation. Last I checked, nobody in OWS waved guns in the faces of federal agents and dared them to play chicken.

OWS got thier arse kicked all over. This is why the 2nd is important.

It makes the gov think twice before jackbooting.

It equally impedes the just enforcement of constitutionally permissible laws against self-entitled jackholes who think they have a unilateral right to determine usage disposition over lawfully held and administrated public land.

Like in the Bundy case, for example.

I'm not saying Bundy was right, or even justified. I'm saying he was effective.

Maybe in a 'win the battle, lose the war' kind of way. No long-term outlook for him is positive.


By resisting, Bundy multiplied his woes. He has turned a civil matter into a criminal matter at least; a national security matter at worst. I mean, I suppose you can say the 2nd Amendment helped him in the immediate present. But it's going to destroy him in the long term.

In their public statements, the Bundy's keep stressing that they'll give Nevada any money they ask for. I seriously think they harbor the delusion that this is going to be resolved with some compromise where they pay their grazing fees to Nevada, which in turn pays them to the federal government. All will be forgiven, and they'll have made their "point" about state sovereignty.

That might have been a possibility before they assembled a gang of thugs to fight the federal government. Now, it just isn't. People by the name "Bundy" will be going to prison. There will be no settled compromise.

Ultimately, they're going to come out from behind their women, surrender and face criminal prosecution. Or they're going to be dragged out from behind their women, tazed, and hauled off for criminal prosecution. Or they're going to be killed, putting their women in danger as they cower behind them for protection.
 
2014-04-23 10:20:22 PM  
Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned this. But did you know Bundy's militia thugs boasted about their plans to cower behind women in the event of violence?
 
2014-04-23 10:21:15 PM  

EJ25T: youmightberight: demaL-demaL-yeH: LandOfChocolate: sigdiamond2000: [img.fark.net image 652x365]

He looks like he's questioning whether O'Reilly even lifts.

You're on national TV, can't you at least put on a collared shirt?

I didn't know that dress shirt collars came in size fireplug.

As a reasonably fit guy with a size 17 1/2 neck I can assure you that anything over a 17 neck is cut more like a tent than a shirt.

And woe unto you if you try to tuck the damn thing in. I love it when you have to pleat and fold your shirt around your waist just so it fits in your pants.


I'm interested in finding some cheap tailoring to try and get rid of the "Muffin top" (not fat but shirt - same effect though) - It's insane that even fitted shirts with a 17in neck are like this.
 
2014-04-23 10:23:27 PM  
Bundy's defenders protested the fact that the Federal Government was stealing his property and interfering with his right to produce and sell a product people want, namely beef.

The Occupy Wall Street people protested the fact that the Federal Government was not stealing the property of other people to provide them with what they want in exchange for the product they produce, which is namely nothing.

\\\ Well, at least not to the degree they thought proper.
 
2014-04-23 10:24:47 PM  
There is a part of me that wants to see these militia asshats start something-- REALLY start something-- So we can all enjoy the tale of how a bunch of overweight toughguys armed with rifles, handguns, and shotguns thought they could take on the United States right up until the moment they were surrounded by tanks and blasted to Kingdom Come while they ineffectually fired thousands of rounds at the Nevada National Guard who stayed snug and safe in their armored vehicles.

And if not that story, then I'll take the story of how a ranch and a gaggle of bald, limp-dicked conservative idiots armed to the teeth with guns and questionably-female human shields were turned into a deep crater thanks to the non-nuke ICBM fired from by a crew on the other side of the country.

Seriously, it makes me laugh to know that these chucklef#cks believe they can fight the United States military armed with a bunch of guns they bought at some redneck gun show or firing range. Unless they have access to satellites, tanks, ICBMs, fighter jets, bombers, and other weapons of  real  war, they're about as threatening to the military as a militant branch of the Ringling Bros. clowns.
 
2014-04-23 10:26:15 PM  

darkman2000: [img.fark.net image 850x1206]


You're a douchecanoe and that picture is obviously of someone who has never held a pistol in any serious manner.
 
2014-04-23 10:35:49 PM  

Serious Black: Last I checked, nobody in OWS waved guns in the faces of federal agents and dared them to play chicken.


Where were people waving guns around, and where they waving in them the faces of federal agents?
 
2014-04-23 10:36:59 PM  

seadoo2006: Hell must've just froze over ... I just agreed with, and respectfully understood a cogent argument from one Bill O'Reilly?

[media.giphy.com image 500x500]



Well to be fair, as right leaning as Bill is, he's more then willing to call shenanigans on nut-jobs even if they on the "right" side of the political spectrum.
 
2014-04-23 10:37:13 PM  

FlashHarry: why isn't he in jail for threatening federal officers with firearms?


because he didn't.
 
2014-04-23 10:37:38 PM  

olddinosaur: Bundy's defenders protested the fact that the Federal Government was stealing his property and interfering with his right to produce and sell a product people want, namely beef.


Only after he technically stole Federal Government property by continuing to graze on it without paying fees for it.

It's amazing how quick you guys are to defend a free loader. I thought conservatives hated freeloaders?
 
2014-04-23 10:39:52 PM  

Nix Nightbird: There is a part of me that wants to see these militia asshats start something-- REALLY start something-- So we can all enjoy the tale of how a bunch of overweight toughguys armed with rifles, handguns, and shotguns thought they could take on the United States right up until the moment they were surrounded by tanks and blasted to Kingdom Come while they ineffectually fired thousands of rounds at the Nevada National Guard who stayed snug and safe in their armored vehicles.

And if not that story, then I'll take the story of how a ranch and a gaggle of bald, limp-dicked conservative idiots armed to the teeth with guns and questionably-female human shields were turned into a deep crater thanks to the non-nuke ICBM fired from by a crew on the other side of the country.

Seriously, it makes me laugh to know that these chucklef#cks believe they can fight the United States military armed with a bunch of guns they bought at some redneck gun show or firing range. Unless they have access to satellites, tanks, ICBMs, fighter jets, bombers, and other weapons of  real  war, they're about as threatening to the military as a militant branch of the Ringling Bros. clowns.


Especially when you got Nellis AFB as well as all the bomb testing grounds literally right down the road from the ranch.
 
2014-04-23 10:43:38 PM  

RedVentrue: Serious Black: You didn't destroy property and weren't arrested because BLM agents assumed (probably correctly) that you would try to murder them if they didn't de-escalate the situation. Last I checked, nobody in OWS waved guns in the faces of federal agents and dared them to play chicken.

OWS got thier arse kicked all over. This is why the 2nd is important.

It makes the gov think twice before jackbooting.


Yep.  It's a hell of a lot harder to abuse armed protestors.
 
2014-04-23 10:45:00 PM  

Baz744: Also, I'm not sure if I mentioned this. But did you know Bundy's militia thugs boasted about their plans to cower behind women in the event of violence?


'twas a Fark thread about that one.

pedrop357: FlashHarry: why isn't he in jail for threatening federal officers with firearms?

because he didn't.


I'm pretty sure the picture of the douchebag with the AK on the bridge was threatening federal officers with a firearm. Safely behind some concrete, natch. Of course, they didn't wave them around in the face of the cops, but they did kick a cop's dog. That's not really adult behavior.
 
2014-04-23 10:45:47 PM  

Grungehamster: That's exactly what BLM was doing: they corralled about 400 of the 900+ head of cattle he was grazing on the land, Bundy raised a militia, and then stormed the portion of the Bunkerville Allotment where the corralled cattle were being kept and made the BLM surrender them by gunpoint.


Gunpoint?  I've seen the pictures/videos of people on horseback and on foot rallying at that corral, but didn't see all the drawn and pointed guns.
 
2014-04-23 10:46:49 PM  
The real fun here is the liberal derp in agreement with Bill O'Reilly

This should be fun...need more popcorm
 
2014-04-23 10:48:01 PM  
This is a red-blooded True American Patriot defending us from the shackles of tyranny from the jackbooted thugs at the BLM:

img.fark.net
 
2014-04-23 10:48:44 PM  

GoldSpider: dr_blasto: Militia guys should be up on felony charges as well.

At least felony obstruction.


What did exactly did they obstruct?  Loud protesting and rallying is not a crime.
 
2014-04-23 10:50:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: This is a red-blooded True American Patriot defending us from the shackles of tyranny from the jackbooted thugs at the BLM:

[img.fark.net image 582x386]


Sort of.  One guy covering the scene in case it gets out of control, no different than what the police do, and very prudent given the severe abuse meted out by the police against protestors in nearly every other protest of any serious size and passion.
 
2014-04-23 10:51:35 PM  

dr_blasto: I'm pretty sure the picture of the douchebag with the AK on the bridge was threatening federal officers with a firearm. Safely behind some concrete, natch. Of course, they didn't wave them around in the face of the cops, but they did kick a cop's dog. That's not really adult behavior.


He wasn't threatening anyone with a firearm anymore than the police do when they deploy snipers on rooftops for public events, races, protests, etc.
 
2014-04-23 10:51:42 PM  

RedVentrue: Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Bob Robert: RedVentrue: OWS got thier arse kicked all over. This is why the 2nd is important.

So if only OWS was armed to the teeth, they would have got their way and wouldn't have been targeted even heavier by the law? In what universe?

I think they would have thought twice about being so heavy handed. Some sort of compromise might have been reached.

Yes, armed protesters attacking police would totally not have escalated the situation.

The alternative is armed police killing protesters. Is that better?

Where did armed police kill protesters?

I seem to remember one strapping youg hero that was aiming tear gas canisters at protesters heads during OWS. At least one of them died


If you're talking about the guy who was hit in the head in Oakland he lived.  So you're saying the cops wouldn't have moved beyond tear gas canisters if the protesters were armed?  Really?
 
2014-04-23 10:54:30 PM  

pedrop357: Mrtraveler01: This is a red-blooded True American Patriot defending us from the shackles of tyranny from the jackbooted thugs at the BLM:

[img.fark.net image 582x386]

Sort of.  One guy covering the scene in case it gets out of control, no different than what the police do, and very prudent given the severe abuse meted out by the police against protestors in nearly every other protest of any serious size and passion.


So you shoot Federal employees in the head in case it gets "out of control"?
 
2014-04-23 10:56:56 PM  

Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Fart_Machine: RedVentrue: Bob Robert: RedVentrue: OWS got thier arse kicked all over. This is why the 2nd is important.

So if only OWS was armed to the teeth, they would have got their way and wouldn't have been targeted even heavier by the law? In what universe?

I think they would have thought twice about being so heavy handed. Some sort of compromise might have been reached.

Yes, armed protesters attacking police would totally not have escalated the situation.

The alternative is armed police killing protesters. Is that better?

Where did armed police kill protesters?

I seem to remember one strapping youg hero that was aiming tear gas canisters at protesters heads during OWS. At least one of them died

If you're talking about the guy who was hit in the head in Oakland he lived.  So you're saying the cops wouldn't have moved beyond tear gas canisters if the protesters were armed?  Really?


We'll never know, but we don't tell would be rape victims that arming themselves will only make it worse and they should instead rely on the mercy of their attacker.

The cops tossing explosives and firing gas grenades at people in such a reckless manner are cowards, plain and simple.  They're only strong when they're all grouped together and better armed than the people they're abusing.  Let it be known that half of the protestors will be armed, and the police won't have the numbers to escalate things the way they do and survive, not even if they can convince outside agencies to come in and help.  Each one will have to wonder if it's worth being the cop that gets killed after launching a tear gas grenade directly at a guys head or tossing a grenade into a small crowd trying to rescue the guy who was badly injured.
 
2014-04-23 10:57:50 PM  

Fart_Machine: pedrop357: Mrtraveler01: This is a red-blooded True American Patriot defending us from the shackles of tyranny from the jackbooted thugs at the BLM:

[img.fark.net image 582x386]

Sort of.  One guy covering the scene in case it gets out of control, no different than what the police do, and very prudent given the severe abuse meted out by the police against protestors in nearly every other protest of any serious size and passion.

So you shoot Federal employees in the head in case it gets "out of control"?


Nope, you protect the protestors if the police start launching grenades at their head, wantonly beating people on the ground, tossing grenades at crowds trying help downed people, etc.
 
2014-04-23 11:01:17 PM  
Entry from a timeline UDHQ posted earlier from the Washington Post:

April 10, 2014: A protest camp has formed. There is a sign at the entrance that reads "MILITA SIGHN IN."

No doubt written in Crayon. And the sign-up list is mostly a series of X's also written in crayon.
 
2014-04-23 11:03:03 PM  
The Daily Show is about to tear Hannity another new one.
 
2014-04-23 11:04:37 PM  

pedrop357: Grungehamster: That's exactly what BLM was doing: they corralled about 400 of the 900+ head of cattle he was grazing on the land, Bundy raised a militia, and then stormed the portion of the Bunkerville Allotment where the corralled cattle were being kept and made the BLM surrender them by gunpoint.

Gunpoint?  I've seen the pictures/videos of people on horseback and on foot rallying at that corral, but didn't see all the drawn and pointed guns.


The sniper sure as hell had his gun pointed. Even if they hadn't, there was the threat of violence inherent in the fact that the militia went onto federal land armed and would not allow the BLM to leave unless they surrendered the cattle.

pedrop357: GoldSpider: dr_blasto: Militia guys should be up on felony charges as well.

At least felony obstruction.

What did exactly did they obstruct?  Loud protesting and rallying is not a crime.


Obstructing carrying out a court order in seizing the cattle that were to be removed from federal land by last October or face seizure of them. Or are we forgetting that they crashed an ATV into a BLM truck to halt the corralling of the cattle, and raised a militia to force the BLM to surrender the seized cattle to Bundy. You really believe that they were peaceably protesting and the BLM had a change of heart despite the law being on their side? Or was it the threat of violence that made the BLM hand over the cattle?
 
2014-04-23 11:05:27 PM  

pedrop357: Fart_Machine: pedrop357: Mrtraveler01: This is a red-blooded True American Patriot defending us from the shackles of tyranny from the jackbooted thugs at the BLM:

[img.fark.net image 582x386]

Sort of.  One guy covering the scene in case it gets out of control, no different than what the police do, and very prudent given the severe abuse meted out by the police against protestors in nearly every other protest of any serious size and passion.

So you shoot Federal employees in the head in case it gets "out of control"?

Nope, you protect the protestors if the police start launching grenades at their head, wantonly beating people on the ground, tossing grenades at crowds trying help downed people, etc.


Admit it. You got slightly "aroused" typing that, didn't you?
 
2014-04-23 11:05:57 PM  

pedrop357: dr_blasto: I'm pretty sure the picture of the douchebag with the AK on the bridge was threatening federal officers with a firearm. Safely behind some concrete, natch. Of course, they didn't wave them around in the face of the cops, but they did kick a cop's dog. That's not really adult behavior.

He wasn't threatening anyone with a firearm anymore than the police do when they deploy snipers on rooftops for public events, races, protests, etc.


Of course not. He was simply protecting everybody. I had him all wrong; clearly that man was making a noble sacrifice, defending the innocent and a truly exceptional American.
 
2014-04-23 11:09:58 PM  

Grungehamster: The sniper sure as hell had his gun pointed. Even if they hadn't, there was the threat of violence inherent in the fact that the militia went onto federal land armed and would not allow the BLM to leave unless they surrendered the cattle.


Police snipers regularly have their guns pointed at people without any cause and while I find that offensive, I don't see tons of people claiming that the police are "pointing their guns in the faces of American citizens".

If the BLM felt threatened by a large group of people on horseback and foot demanding they change their position, that's the BLM's problem.

Or are we forgetting that they crashed an ATV into a BLM truck to halt the corralling of the cattle

ONE guy crashed his ATV into that truck and he might have been obstructing, but we see tons of that with people tying themselves to trees to keep them from being cut down, using backhoes to block logging, etc.
 
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