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(Talking Points Memo)   Bill O'Reilly asks Bundy Militia member:"How does your protest differ from Occupy Wall Street?" Bundy supporter:"Mr. Bundy is providing the country with beef." Hey everybody: FREE STEAKS   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 387
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2014-04-23 06:14:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: You mean after they were attacked?

Today, a BLM truck driven by a non-law enforcement civilian employee assisting with gather operations was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck's exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle. A police dog was also kicked.


You're concerned about an ATV striking a Freightliner (watch the video) dump body that likely weighs the better part of 30 tons?

That's like attacking my foot with your face.
 
2014-04-23 06:14:54 PM  

This text is now purple: Fart_Machine: You mean after they were attacked?

Today, a BLM truck driven by a non-law enforcement civilian employee assisting with gather operations was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck's exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle. A police dog was also kicked.

You're concerned about an ATV striking a Freightliner (watch the video) dump body that likely weighs the better part of 30 tons?

That's like attacking my foot with your face.


Well in that case it's totally OK for them to ram it and block off the vehicle.
 
2014-04-23 06:15:02 PM  

JC22: My view is if the guy is breaking the law, then put a lien on his stuff. But to show up in that type of force is absolutely ridiculous and something else is going on and most likely it involves Reid and the solar farm from the Chinese.


Everyone already explained about the solar power myth, but I want some clarification on what "type of force" BLM sent out there according to you? Sure Bundy's claimed there were 2,000 feds "surrounding" his ranch (which suggests a raid on his land instead of him and his supporters having to travel onto the Bunkerville Allotment in order to protest and later confront them corralling cattle that were to be be removed from the land by court order 6 months ago), but do you have evidence of a massive show of force by the Feds in this case?

The most officers I've seen in any pictures from the standoff is about 15; three dudes in camo body armor and rifles and the other dozen guys are in brown plain clothes uniforms with a holstered handgun as part of it (basically they looked like county deputies if you didn't know otherwise.) If you can show some evidence that there was this big show of force by BLM to intimidate the Bundys I'd sure appreciate the proof.
 
2014-04-23 06:15:18 PM  

Loadmaster: But they have asked for free cattle-grazing rights on government-owned land.


More like "took them."
 
2014-04-23 06:19:37 PM  
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2014-04-23 06:20:41 PM  

Fart_Machine: This text is now purple: Fart_Machine: You mean after they were attacked?

Today, a BLM truck driven by a non-law enforcement civilian employee assisting with gather operations was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck's exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle. A police dog was also kicked.

You're concerned about an ATV striking a Freightliner (watch the video) dump body that likely weighs the better part of 30 tons?

That's like attacking my foot with your face.

Well in that case it's totally OK for them to ram it and block off the vehicle.


i.dailymail.co.uk
You tell me.
 
2014-04-23 06:21:05 PM  
The difference is that he's a rich farmer that doesn't feel the need to pay taxes. He should just use some of that subsidy money to pay of them, greedy hick retard.
 
2014-04-23 06:23:51 PM  
If you stop responding to all the idiots spouting Fox News and Inforwars propaganda eventually they will go away. Fascist bashing hippies is so 1970's and yet they think they are so funny.
 
2014-04-23 06:24:23 PM  

Serious Black: You didn't destroy property and weren't arrested because BLM agents assumed (probably correctly) that you would try to murder them if they didn't de-escalate the situation. Last I checked, nobody in OWS waved guns in the faces of federal agents and dared them to play chicken.


Maybe that's where OWS went wrong... they should bring guns next time.
 
2014-04-23 06:24:24 PM  
Bill O'Reilly asks Bundy Militia member:"How does your protest differ from Occupy Wall Street?" Bundy supporter:"Mr. Bundy is providing the country with beef." "Cuz we're stupid and trigger-happy."

FYFSubby
 
2014-04-23 06:24:59 PM  

NFA: JC22: Can't have it both ways jackass.


You've been duped into believing a fairy tale.  Bundy is a whacko who openly admits he doesn't recognize that the federal government exists and that he doesn't owe any grazing fees.  Who the hell gets to just ignore the fact that this country is a united republic in a bizarre scheme to avoid paying his/her fair share of taxes.

Then a group of well armed nut jobs show up and talk about putting their own women out front so they'll be killed by the federal government.  Why?  So they can get it on video.  Again, the logic of unsound minds.

You're siding with a bunch of very dangerous sociopaths.  These men aren't heroes caught up in a Democratic conspiracy, they're a bunch of free loaders trying to get a free ride on the backs of the America taxpayer.  They're living in a broken fantasy of ignoring laws they don't like.  They're no different than the "Freemen" who refuse to get drivers licenses, put license plates on their cars or pay taxes.  Yet, they still want to use those roads which someone else's tax dollars bought.  Maybe they should build their own roads to the local supermarket.

Look, I'm a pro-gun guy (note my Fark handle) but these idiots are the greatest threat to gun rights as anyone, anywhere, ever.  If people start taking up arms every time they want to get out of paying a god damn tax, we will very quickly see a constitutional amendment which nullifies the second amendment.  These extremist idiots are going to completely fark things for all of us.

Then people like you, who are too dumb to think for yourself and instead parrot contrived nonsense spewed by idiots selling advertising on radio and TV shows.  Limbaugh and Hannity both work for the same company and they have 100 million dollar contracts to spin up this sort of nonsense which a gullible portion of society eagerly chokes down.

If you value your rights, tell these morons to pay their farking grazing fees and stop acting like a group of 12 year olds.


I'd "Smart" you twice if I could.
 
2014-04-23 06:25:20 PM  

Fart_Machine: This text is now purple: Fart_Machine: You mean after they were attacked?

Today, a BLM truck driven by a non-law enforcement civilian employee assisting with gather operations was struck by a protester on an ATV and the truck's exit from the area was blocked by a group of individuals who gathered around the vehicle. A police dog was also kicked.

You're concerned about an ATV striking a Freightliner (watch the video) dump body that likely weighs the better part of 30 tons?

That's like attacking my foot with your face.

Well in that case it's totally OK for them to ram it and block off the vehicle.


In a longer response, what seems to irk you the most is that the Tea Party type has started to co-opt OWS-like tactics. They're using PR-friendly shields (women), obstructing larger government vehicles with much smaller sacrificial targets, occupying government land, playing up the PR attack on the much-better armed federal response. It never looks good when you have a photo of a dog going after someone, no matter what came before or after. This is straight out of the OWS playbook. They're daring the government to start firing first. And so long as they don't fire first, it will work.

You don't hate the game, you hate the player.
 
2014-04-23 06:26:05 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Bill O'Reilly asks Bundy Militia member:"How does your protest differ from Occupy Wall Street?" Bundy supporter:"Mr. Bundy is providing the country with beef." "Cuz we're stupid and trigger-happy."

FYFSubby


Who did they shoot at?
 
2014-04-23 06:26:06 PM  
James!:
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George F*cking Washington 2014.


What is it with extremist rightwingers and being bald? Some sort of Aryan Skinhead thing?
 
2014-04-23 06:26:17 PM  

LandOfChocolate: sigdiamond2000: [img.fark.net image 652x365]

He looks like he's questioning whether O'Reilly even lifts.

You're on national TV, can't you at least put on a collared shirt?


Aw, come on. You're lucky he is wearing a shirt with actual sleeves that haven't been cut off.

JC22: My view is if the guy is breaking the law, then put a lien on his stuff. But to show up in that type of force is absolutely ridiculous and something else is going on and most likely it involves Reid and the solar farm from the Chinese.

And Reid needs to get his foot out of his mouth that was just in his @$$ and shut up about domestic terrorists because he has no idea what a domestic terrorist is.

And lastly Mr Reid. If you are going to spout off about enforcing the law and some citizen can't do what he's doing then you need to enforce all laws, especially those that are here ILLEGALLY and also those in that certain government run tax agency called the IRS that owe billion in back taxes.

Can't have it both ways jackass.


Haha, holy shiat, this is crazy. WTF, so, we shouldn't bust thieves because you don't think someone else is enforcing a law you don't understand? Also, of note, Sen. Reid really doesn't enforce anything. Please explain how, outside of pot, the government is not enforcing a law?
 
2014-04-23 06:28:30 PM  

dr_blasto: LandOfChocolate: sigdiamond2000: [img.fark.net image 652x365]

He looks like he's questioning whether O'Reilly even lifts.

You're on national TV, can't you at least put on a collared shirt?

Aw, come on. You're lucky he is wearing a shirt with actual sleeves that haven't been cut off.

JC22: My view is if the guy is breaking the law, then put a lien on his stuff. But to show up in that type of force is absolutely ridiculous and something else is going on and most likely it involves Reid and the solar farm from the Chinese.

And Reid needs to get his foot out of his mouth that was just in his @$$ and shut up about domestic terrorists because he has no idea what a domestic terrorist is.

And lastly Mr Reid. If you are going to spout off about enforcing the law and some citizen can't do what he's doing then you need to enforce all laws, especially those that are here ILLEGALLY and also those in that certain government run tax agency called the IRS that owe billion in back taxes.

Can't have it both ways jackass.

Haha, holy shiat, this is crazy. WTF, so, we shouldn't bust thieves because you don't think someone else is enforcing a law you don't understand? Also, of note, Sen. Reid really doesn't enforce anything. Please explain how, outside of pot, the government is not enforcing a law?


Well, you see, there are still brown people in this country, ipso facto, the government isn't enforcing immigration laws.


/study it out
 
2014-04-23 06:29:08 PM  

dfenstrate: kidgenius: Mikey1969: Shaw responded by arguing that the groups are different because the Bundy activists have not destroyed property or been arrested.

Well, it's not because you assholes didn't TRY.I really hope you don't dislocate your shoulder while patting yourself on the back.

Especially after one of those idiots kicked a police dog.

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The only reason they weren't arrested is the police realized there would be a serious situation outside of their control if they started doing that.
Or maybe the officer in the middle realized the event had been caught on camera, and decided it was best to chill the f*ck out.

I'm not sure why you think the BLM officers are cut from any finer cloth than the local bully cops we read about routinely on fark. (Not saying all cops are power tripping bullies, but we all know they're out there.)


That photo and its caption prove exactly 1) how dishonest is Kliven's Kowardly Klan, and 2) how gullible are his apologists.

The video clearly depicts an out of control mob of screaming Bundy thugs. Police officers are trying to obtain civil order. The mob of Bundy thugs repeatedly advance on police officers, aggressively encroaching normal personal space to shout in their faces.

The man who was bitten, we'll call him "Bundy thug #1," was one of the boldest aggressors. Finally, the police officer deploys the dog in order to obtain Bundy thug #1's compliance. At that time Bundy thug #1 criminally abused the animal by kicking it.

The officer is pointing in the picture, but the animal clearly can't see his finger. He is most likely pointing to direct Bundy thug #1 to back down.

It was an act of criminal animal abuse because under the circumstances, resisting lawfully issued instructions by police officers to back down, Bundy thug #1 had no right of self-defense.

The relevant portion of the video starts around the 51 second mark. The officer deploys the dog to protect his fellow police officer around 1:04-5.

The linked article laughably describes the rowdy protest depicted as "peaceful," demonstrating the delusional level of bias among the Bundy thug apologist set.
 
2014-04-23 06:29:57 PM  
impaler:  [...]  Why do conservatives have to lie about EVERYTHING.

Because their values and beliefs are inconsistent with reality, so they invent their own.
 
2014-04-23 06:30:04 PM  

LazyMedia: James!: "Sure we threatened government officials with guns, but we haven't destroyed anything or been arrested..."

It's grazing land in Nevada. What is there to destroy?

/Seriously, how do cattle survive in this desert?

[www.reviewjournal.com image 640x480]


Well, you either give them feed, buy enough acreage where the sparse grass is enough to feed your cattle, or in Bundy's case you set them out to eat all the grass they can on 145,604 acres of land you don't own (and the 145K wasn't enough; the 900+ cows had grazed past the Bunkerville Allotment and were getting into the other 650,000 acres of surrounding public land that would be subject to their own grazing licenses.)
 
2014-04-23 06:30:34 PM  

This text is now purple: In a longer response, what seems to irk you the most is that the Tea Party type has started to co-opt OWS-like tactics. They're using PR-friendly shields (women), obstructing larger government vehicles with much smaller sacrificial targets, occupying government land, playing up the PR attack on the much-better armed federal response.


Oh yes. Adopting the most annoying-to-outsiders tactics, which end up making the protesters look bad, has everyone irked for sure.
 
2014-04-23 06:32:08 PM  

Mikey1969: Shaw responded by arguing that the groups are different because the Bundy activists have not destroyed property or been arrested.

Well, it's not because you assholes didn't TRY.I really hope you don't dislocate your shoulder while patting yourself on the back.


Yep. Just because you haven't been arrested doesn't mean you haven't committed a crime.

/Used to be, civil disobedience meant you let yourself be arrested, so you could fix the law through the courts.
 
2014-04-23 06:35:06 PM  

impaler: This text is now purple: In a longer response, what seems to irk you the most is that the Tea Party type has started to co-opt OWS-like tactics. They're using PR-friendly shields (women), obstructing larger government vehicles with much smaller sacrificial targets, occupying government land, playing up the PR attack on the much-better armed federal response.

Oh yes. Adopting the most annoying-to-outsiders tactics, which end up making the protesters look bad, has everyone irked for sure.


Actually, Kliven's Kowardly Klan learned to cower behind their women from Islamic terrorists, who deployed the tactic in Afghanistan.
 
2014-04-23 06:35:20 PM  

Baz744: The man who was bitten, we'll call him "Bundy thug #1," was one of the boldest aggressors. Finally, the police officer deploys the dog in order to obtain Bundy thug #1's compliance. At that time Bundy thug #1 criminally abused the animal by kicking it.


The officer did NOT give a command for that dog to attack, because he would have eaten thug #1's hand.
 
2014-04-23 06:36:02 PM  
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2014-04-23 06:39:37 PM  

Baz744: [i58.tinypic.com image 850x850]


Holy shiat, dark shirt guy has tits.
 
2014-04-23 06:39:52 PM  

impaler: Baz744: The man who was bitten, we'll call him "Bundy thug #1," was one of the boldest aggressors. Finally, the police officer deploys the dog in order to obtain Bundy thug #1's compliance. At that time Bundy thug #1 criminally abused the animal by kicking it.

The officer did NOT give a command for that dog to attack, because he would have eaten thug #1's hand.


Even had he done so, the fact is Bundy thug #1 was aggressively advancing on officers, shouting in their faces, and refusing repeated instructions to back down. This in the context of a rowdy mob of out of control Bundy thugs storming around, yelling and screaming at police officers.

Even if he ordered the dog to attack, he would have been justified in doing so. Bundy thug #1 had no right of self-defense either way.
 
2014-04-23 06:40:06 PM  

Mantour: [apushcanvas.pbworks.com image 850x637]


If Fox News were around back then:

"Shay's heroic stand put down by pro-government thugs"

"Brave Pennsylvania farmers silenced by the long arm of Washington's law"
 
2014-04-23 06:40:28 PM  
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2014-04-23 06:41:03 PM  
For some reason, Bill O'Reilly is now interviewing Zangief.
 
2014-04-23 06:42:38 PM  

Mantour: [apushcanvas.pbworks.com image 850x637]


...So what you're saying is that using force to get out of paying the government money is a well-known and historic part of being an American, right?

See? Cliven Bundy is just as much of a hero as Daniel Shay and generations of school children should learn about his deeds in a similar manner to how they learn about Shay.
 
2014-04-23 06:43:21 PM  

firefly212: Serious Black: You didn't destroy property and weren't arrested because BLM agents assumed (probably correctly) that you would try to murder them if they didn't de-escalate the situation. Last I checked, nobody in OWS waved guns in the faces of federal agents and dared them to play chicken.

Maybe that's where OWS went wrong... they should bring guns next time.


And pitchforks and torches.

OWS was in the right. Wall street ripped everyone off and needed to be taken to task. And still does.

BLM is a group of guys that support a guy who has ripped everyone off. And have delusions of grandeur.

bundy is like a wall street banker in a sense, a total farking thief with no sense of perspective.
 
2014-04-23 06:43:35 PM  

Grungehamster: Mantour: [apushcanvas.pbworks.com image 850x637]

...So what you're saying is that using force to get out of paying the government money is a well-known and historic part of being an American, right?

See? Cliven Bundy is just as much of a hero as Daniel Shays and generations of school children should learn about his deeds in a similar manner to how they learn about Shays.


FTFM, dammit.
 
2014-04-23 06:44:34 PM  

This text is now purple: n a longer response, what seems to irk you the most is that the Tea Party type has started to co-opt OWS-like tactics. They're using PR-friendly shields (women), obstructing larger government vehicles with much smaller sacrificial targets, occupying government land, playing up the PR attack on the much-better armed federal response. It never looks good when you have a photo of a dog going after someone, no matter what came before or after. This is straight out of the OWS playbook. They're daring the government to start firing first. And so long as they don't fire first, it will work.

You don't hate the game, you hate the player.


OWS and black-bloc anarchists are not the same thing. OWS tactics involve sitting around and trying to get a consensus on whether Stan has the right to have babies, and voting by waving your fingers.

/Tea Party and militia are also not the same thing. I saw those people who went to Glenn Beck's DC rally; they were a bunch of grandparents in flag shirts, not gun-toters.
 
2014-04-23 06:44:35 PM  

dr_blasto: Baz744: [i58.tinypic.com image 850x850]

Holy shiat, dark shirt guy has tits.


Actually, that's Cliven's wife.
 
2014-04-23 06:44:39 PM  
Didn't destroy property?  The new rules that prompted Bundy to stop paying his fees were instituted because he was overgrazing other people's land, and digging it up to create watering holes.  That sounds pretty destructive to me.  Certainly more so than a kid shiatting on a cop car.
 
2014-04-23 06:44:51 PM  

This text is now purple: They're using PR-friendly shields (women), obstructing larger government vehicles with much smaller sacrificial targets, occupying government land,


1. There were no shields, the difference between the klan militias and OWS is the occupy protesters had a large percentage of women. They were not asked to be shields and there was no pr to create anything of the sort

2. Zuccotti Park was not public land

So not only are you misinformed about the Bundy situation but you can't even get your facts right about OWS. Is it really a surprise people who are uneducated about a topic almost always have conservative viewpoints?
 
2014-04-23 06:47:08 PM  

Baz744: impaler: Baz744: The man who was bitten, we'll call him "Bundy thug #1," was one of the boldest aggressors. Finally, the police officer deploys the dog in order to obtain Bundy thug #1's compliance. At that time Bundy thug #1 criminally abused the animal by kicking it.

The officer did NOT give a command for that dog to attack, because he would have eaten thug #1's hand.

Even had he done so, the fact is Bundy thug #1 was aggressively advancing on officers, shouting in their faces, and refusing repeated instructions to back down. This in the context of a rowdy mob of out of control Bundy thugs storming around, yelling and screaming at police officers.

Even if he ordered the dog to attack, he would have been justified in doing so. Bundy thug #1 had no right of self-defense either way.


Best part of that video? How smug the person recording is that everyone will freak out when they see the unwarranted police brutality they caught on film. Seriously, do they understand just how they look screaming that officers have no right to touch the guy after he rammed an ATV into their truck and failed to stop advancing on them threateningly afterwards.
 
2014-04-23 06:47:28 PM  
Also the people found to be criminals, rapists, vandals etc were either anarchists, homeless dropped off by the police, or police plants. Some angry libertarians and conservatives also were caught trying to incite violence to discredit the ows movement.
 
2014-04-23 06:47:36 PM  

Baz744: BravadoGT: Bundy is a jerk.  My problem is with the government's reaction.  They send in waves of cops all in their best Call of Duty getups like they're about to storm a Hydra base over...an unpaid bill?

No. The armored police units did not show up until after Bundy and his thugs started armed resistance. Before that it was a few guys herding cattle into pens to await transport, presumably to auction.


Too late.  The "inappropriate government force" is the official fall-back position of the right, after they realized Bundy was a tough sell, even for them.
 
2014-04-23 06:48:18 PM  

LazyMedia: James!: "Sure we threatened government officials with guns, but we haven't destroyed anything or been arrested..."

It's grazing land in Nevada. What is there to destroy?

/Seriously, how do cattle survive in this desert?

[www.reviewjournal.com image 640x480]


By stealing everyone else's water. That's another thing this f*ckhole is doing. Thus, his neighbors hate him even more than they hate the BLM. That says something.

I think we should send a detachment from the NYPD to deal with this. Call it a TDY for Homeland Security, dealing with terrorists and the like. I'd suggest the LAPD, but their marksmanship is even worse.
 
2014-04-23 06:48:52 PM  

IlGreven: /Used to be, civil disobedience meant you let yourself be arrested, so you could fix the law through the courts.


False. It means that you make unjust laws unenforceable, such as by clogging the jails to the extent that the local government risks bankruptcy if they keep you all incarcerated or even just clogs up the court system by forcing it to deal with hundreds or thousands of arrests all at once, or by blocking traffic for a more general economic effect, or humiliates the oppressing power by forcing them to arrest a large number of peaceful and innocent people for doing an innocuous activity (in front of cameras). You can win a campaign using civil disobedience and never set foot inside a courtroom or statehouse.
 
2014-04-23 06:49:01 PM  

Mantour: [apushcanvas.pbworks.com image 850x637]


THIS THIS THISETY THIS to all those idiot gun-fondlers who think the founders put the Second Amendment in the Constitution as sort of self-destruct button. George Washington was not Heinz Doofenschmirz; the right to firearms ownership was not intended to enable armed rebellion against the government.
 
2014-04-23 06:49:55 PM  

RanDomino: unjust laws


Do you feel these are unjust laws being used against the Bundy klan?
 
2014-04-23 06:50:16 PM  

This text is now purple: TV's Vinnie: Bill O'Reilly asks Bundy Militia member:"How does your protest differ from Occupy Wall Street?" Bundy supporter:"Mr. Bundy is providing the country with beef." "Cuz we're stupid and trigger-happy."

FYFSubby

Who did they shoot at?


Oh, they wanted a firefight. So very much.
 
2014-04-23 06:50:53 PM  

NFA: JC22: Can't have it both ways jackass.


You've been duped into believing a fairy tale.  Bundy is a whacko who openly admits he doesn't recognize that the federal government exists and that he doesn't owe any grazing fees.  Who the hell gets to just ignore the fact that this country is a united republic in a bizarre scheme to avoid paying his/her fair share of taxes.

Then a group of well armed nut jobs show up and talk about putting their own women out front so they'll be killed by the federal government.  Why?  So they can get it on video.  Again, the logic of unsound minds.

You're siding with a bunch of very dangerous sociopaths.  These men aren't heroes caught up in a Democratic conspiracy, they're a bunch of free loaders trying to get a free ride on the backs of the America taxpayer.  They're living in a broken fantasy of ignoring laws they don't like.  They're no different than the "Freemen" who refuse to get drivers licenses, put license plates on their cars or pay taxes.  Yet, they still want to use those roads which someone else's tax dollars bought.  Maybe they should build their own roads to the local supermarket.

Look, I'm a pro-gun guy (note my Fark handle) but these idiots are the greatest threat to gun rights as anyone, anywhere, ever.  If people start taking up arms every time they want to get out of paying a god damn tax, we will very quickly see a constitutional amendment which nullifies the second amendment.  These extremist idiots are going to completely fark things for all of us.

Then people like you, who are too dumb to think for yourself and instead parrot contrived nonsense spewed by idiots selling advertising on radio and TV shows.  Limbaugh and Hannity both work for the same company and they have 100 million dollar contracts to spin up this sort of nonsense which a gullible portion of society eagerly chokes down.

If you value your rights, tell these morons to pay their farking grazing fees and stop acting like a group of 12 year olds.


That JUST HAPPENED!

/Shake and bake!
 
2014-04-23 06:51:36 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: I think the feds should get together with all the other ranchers out there out there and explain how Militia McStealstuff is dicking over their legitimate businesses. Then, drop them off a couple of crates of AR15s and say, "Hey, by the way, he doesn't believe we exist. Have fun."


Well, there has been quite a bit of improved Fed/Rancher/Environmentalist relations in the past 15 years. Environmentalists are basically coming to the realization that ranchers really know these huge swaths of land the best, and everyone has a stake in doing what's best for the land.

I really recommend listening to the State of the Re:Union podcast on the southwestern ranges.
 
2014-04-23 06:54:36 PM  
Only on Fark.

Occupy are a bunch of thug losers. Bundy family and supporters are standing up to the brown shirts. And yes, they give us steak. Occupy just creates garbage.

grow up, Moonbeams.
 
2014-04-23 06:54:46 PM  

RanDomino: False. It means that you make unjust laws unenforceable, such as by clogging the jails to the extent that the local government risks bankruptcy if they keep you all incarcerated or even just clogs up the court system by forcing it to deal with hundreds or thousands of arrests all at once, or by blocking traffic for a more general economic effect, or humiliates the oppressing power by forcing them to arrest a large number of peaceful and innocent people for doing an innocuous activity (in front of cameras). You can win a campaign using civil disobedience and never set foot inside a courtroom or statehouse.


Um, no.
 
2014-04-23 06:55:16 PM  

RanDomino: IlGreven: /Used to be, civil disobedience meant you let yourself be arrested, so you could fix the law through the courts.

False.


Actually, that is entirely true. At least the "let yourself be arrested" part. Maybe you want to resolve the issue in the courts. But at least as Gandhi used the term, the purpose was to arouse the conscience of the community. He specified that peacefully accepting the consequences of civil disobedience was part of civil disobedience.
 
2014-04-23 06:55:41 PM  

Thunderpipes: Only on Fark.

Occupy are a bunch of thug losers. Bundy family and supporters are standing up to the brown shirts. And yes, they give us steak. Occupy just creates garbage.

grow up, Moonbeams.


One pump and done.
 
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