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(Talking Points Memo)   A tale of four southern governors, two Democrats who embraced Obamacare and two Republicans who fought it tooth-and-nail. Let's look at their poll numbers, shall we?   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-04-23 03:08:48 PM  
as the article points out, correlation doesn't necessarily indicate causation, BUT as this is just months after obamacare's implementation and coming after months and months of around-the-clock anti-obamacare stories from the media... i would guess that the numbers will only look worse for the GOP as time progresses.
 
2014-04-23 03:12:55 PM  
In the GOPs defense - voters in their ridings died from treatable ailments & wouldn't participate in the polls.
 
2014-04-23 03:59:30 PM  

oldfarthenry: In the GOPs defense - voters in their ridings died from treatable ailments & wouldn't participate in the polls.


What now
 
2014-04-23 05:07:36 PM  
Hell, the gop legislature in GA voted that the legislature has to pass on it before it could happen, but you can carry a gun anywhere.  That means when some poor person gets shot in church the citizens will have to pay for it.
 
2014-04-23 05:35:13 PM  

oldernell: Hell, the gop legislature in GA voted that the legislature has to pass on it before it could happen, but you can carry a gun anywhere.  That means when some poor person gets shot in church the citizens will have to pay for it.


Being stupid is punished financially everywhere else on the globe. Why not in Georgia?
 
2014-04-23 05:37:25 PM  
Piyush Jindal is unpopular, yet is used as a GOP talking-point parrot. Hmm, very interesting.
 
2014-04-23 05:41:28 PM  
Why only Jindal and McCrory?
 
2014-04-23 05:42:35 PM  
"A Tale of Four Southern Governors, Two Democrats Who Embraced Obamacare and Two Republicans Who Fought It Tooth And Nail"

If Dickens chose that for a title I'd have enjoyed 9th grade English much more since that book would never have succeeded.

//Monty Python bookshop sketch .png

//Who plays Madame DeFarge in this production? Would it have to actually be a woman?

i.usatoday.net
 
2014-04-23 05:45:25 PM  
In before mama's little beanie propellers tell us why these polls don't really say what they say.
 
2014-04-23 05:46:07 PM  

StopLurkListen: If Dickens chose that for a title I'd have enjoyed 9th grade English much more since that book would never have succeeded.


It was the herp of times; it was the derp of times.
 
2014-04-23 05:47:51 PM  

DrBenway: In before mama's little beanie propellers tell us why these polls don't really say what they say.


Unskew them, and like, such as, and therefor
 
2014-04-23 05:47:52 PM  
If the Republicans can rouse enough low-infomration voters and suppress enough high-information voters they will win. Being on the wrong side of numbers, of science, or even of basic decency doesn't matter. Their tribe of terrified lizard back brain types won't care about any of that as long as they can cling to the dreams of their libertarian utopias which never really existed.
 
2014-04-23 05:48:04 PM  
These polls clearly have not been adequately unskewed.
 
2014-04-23 05:49:33 PM  
Not expanding Medicaid is like the least stupid thing McCrory has done. His poll numbers are a reflection of all the stupid shiat he's done since the GOP gerrymandered their way into control of NC, so trying to pin his numbers on his obstructionism over the ACA is disingenuous at best and confirmation bias click baiting at worst.

/of course, it will work like a charm because so many people want their biases confirmed but still
//this would be like saying Rob Ford's numbers are bad because he failed to support some policy...no, pretty sure it's the crack smoking for him and McCrory
 
2014-04-23 05:51:13 PM  

DrBenway: In before mama's little beanie propellers tell us why these polls don't really say what they say.


Obviously, no one has harmonized the statistical quarks yet.
 
2014-04-23 05:53:10 PM  

js34603: Not expanding Medicaid is like the least stupid thing McCrory has done. His poll numbers are a reflection of all the stupid shiat he's done since the GOP gerrymandered their way into control of NC, so trying to pin his numbers on his obstructionism over the ACA is disingenuous at best and confirmation bias click baiting at worst.

/of course, it will work like a charm because so many people want their biases confirmed but still
//this would be like saying Rob Ford's numbers are bad because he failed to support some policy...no, pretty sure it's the crack smoking for him and McCrory


They're not trying to pin his numbers on his obstructionism over the ACA, which you'd know if you'd read the article. What they ARE doing pointing out that McCrory and Jindal's obstructionism over the ACA has not improved their standing, and likewise, Beebe and Beshear's support of the ACA has lowered their standing, which directly contradicts the GOP narrative that ACA opposition will sweep Democrats out and Republicans in.
 
2014-04-23 05:53:58 PM  

Professor Duck: DrBenway: In before mama's little beanie propellers tell us why these polls don't really say what they say.

Obviously, no one has harmonized the statistical quarks yet.


Surely if we can reverse the polarity and neutralize the liberal fields surrounding the data
 
2014-04-23 05:54:00 PM  

qorkfiend: js34603: Not expanding Medicaid is like the least stupid thing McCrory has done. His poll numbers are a reflection of all the stupid shiat he's done since the GOP gerrymandered their way into control of NC, so trying to pin his numbers on his obstructionism over the ACA is disingenuous at best and confirmation bias click baiting at worst.

/of course, it will work like a charm because so many people want their biases confirmed but still
//this would be like saying Rob Ford's numbers are bad because he failed to support some policy...no, pretty sure it's the crack smoking for him and McCrory

They're not trying to pin his numbers on his obstructionism over the ACA, which you'd know if you'd read the article. What they ARE doing pointing out that McCrory and Jindal's obstructionism over the ACA has not improved their standing, and likewise, Beebe and Beshear's support of the ACA has lowered their standing, which directly contradicts the GOP narrative that ACA opposition will sweep Democrats out and Republicans in.


NOT lowered their standing, that is.
 
2014-04-23 05:56:38 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Professor Duck: DrBenway: In before mama's little beanie propellers tell us why these polls don't really say what they say.

Obviously, no one has harmonized the statistical quarks yet.

Surely if we can reverse the polarity and neutralize the liberal fields surrounding the data


Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...
 
2014-04-23 05:56:56 PM  
Now, to be fair McCrory's numbers have less to do with his refusal to expand Medicaid than the fact that Governor McCrory is a jackass.

Of course, the two may be related.
 
2014-04-23 05:57:17 PM  

Triple Oak: Piyush Jindal is unpopular, yet is used as a GOP talking-point parrot. Hmm, very interesting.


I have never understood this, nor why anyone looking at his credentials would think he would make a great governor.
 
2014-04-23 05:57:26 PM  

Professor Duck: UncomfortableSilence: Professor Duck: DrBenway: In before mama's little beanie propellers tell us why these polls don't really say what they say.

Obviously, no one has harmonized the statistical quarks yet.

Surely if we can reverse the polarity and neutralize the liberal fields surrounding the data

Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...


YOU SOURED THE MILK! AHAHAHAHA!

Or something.
 
2014-04-23 06:02:09 PM  
Holy cherry picking data Batman!
 
2014-04-23 06:04:22 PM  
I think it's going to just get harder and harder for governors to refuse the medicare portion of the ACA.

I mean literally your letting your own constituents die because of spite.
 
2014-04-23 06:04:34 PM  

timswar: Now, to be fair McCrory's numbers have less to do with his refusal to expand Medicaid than the fact that Governor McCrory is a jackass.

Of course, the two may be related.


At least he has the Tea Party supporters.
 
2014-04-23 06:07:16 PM  

mr lawson: Holy cherry picking data Batman!


Did you RTFA?
 
2014-04-23 06:09:53 PM  

mr lawson: Holy cherry picking data Batman!


I was going to ask if this was the best you could do, but I already know the answer.
 
2014-04-23 06:11:57 PM  

blackminded: Triple Oak: Piyush Jindal is unpopular, yet is used as a GOP talking-point parrot. Hmm, very interesting.

I have never understood this, nor why anyone looking at his credentials would think he would make a great governor.


My best guess is that they think he can bring in votes from Obama supporters because they have similar skin tones.
 
2014-04-23 06:12:01 PM  
Professor Duck: Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...

Yeah.  Also, if memory serves, the second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) was 'reversing the polarity of the neutron flow' long before Star Trek: TNG.

/I always got a kick out out of the people who came close to a stroke over that one, screaming "NEUTRONS HAVE NO CHARGE AND THEREFORE NO POLARITY!!!"  I would calmly point out to them that, OK, there's no charge, but a 'flow' implies motion of a stream from a source to a destination, and that therefore, 'reversing the polarity' would simply mean reversing the flow, i.e., making them flow from what had been the destination back towards the previous source.  Sloppy terminology, but my explanation *might* be 'No-Prize' material.
 
2014-04-23 06:12:22 PM  

FlashHarry: StopLurkListen: If Dickens chose that for a title I'd have enjoyed 9th grade English much more since that book would never have succeeded.

It was the herp of times; it was the derp of times.

 
2014-04-23 06:13:29 PM  

FlashHarry: as the article points out, correlation doesn't necessarily indicate causation, BUT as this is just months after obamacare's implementation and coming after months and months of around-the-clock anti-obamacare stories from the media... i would guess that the numbers will only look worse for the GOP as time progresses.


Considering the source and who did the poll, I'll take the entire thing with a big grain of salt.
 
2014-04-23 06:13:45 PM  

coyo: FlashHarry: StopLurkListen: If Dickens chose that for a title I'd have enjoyed 9th grade English much more since that book would never have succeeded.

It was the herp of times; it was the derp of times.


Welcome to the favorites list.
 
2014-04-23 06:15:20 PM  

mcreadyblue: timswar: Now, to be fair McCrory's numbers have less to do with his refusal to expand Medicaid than the fact that Governor McCrory is a jackass.

Of course, the two may be related.

At least he has the Tea Party supporters.


Unfortunately the pack instinct is strong among jackasses.
 
2014-04-23 06:16:05 PM  

timswar: Now, to be fair McCrory's numbers have less to do with his refusal to expand Medicaid than the fact that Governor McCrory is a jackass.

Of course, the two may be related.


How are his numbers even that good? Are the state's GOPpers so far gone they actually like coal ash in their drinking water?
 
2014-04-23 06:16:21 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Professor Duck: Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...

Yeah.  Also, if memory serves, the second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) was 'reversing the polarity of the neutron flow' long before Star Trek: TNG.

/I always got a kick out out of the people who came close to a stroke over that one, screaming "NEUTRONS HAVE NO CHARGE AND THEREFORE NO POLARITY!!!"  I would calmly point out to them that, OK, there's no charge, but a 'flow' implies motion of a stream from a source to a destination, and that therefore, 'reversing the polarity' would simply mean reversing the flow, i.e., making them flow from what had been the destination back towards the previous source.  Sloppy terminology, but my explanation *might* be 'No-Prize' material.


We really need to find you a girlfriend.
 
2014-04-23 06:17:58 PM  

max_pooper: Did you RTFA?


ya...i did...
That is a really, really, really bad stat method.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a single payer guy, but holy shiat that was a bad article.
Hell, they even mention the corr/cause...and then proceed act like it is still true.
Can you not see why this bad?
 
2014-04-23 06:22:54 PM  
Look...it ain't that hard
just run the numbers and I would guess that you could get a significant number showing how not supporting the law reduces poll numbers.
 
2014-04-23 06:25:03 PM  

HooskerDoo: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Professor Duck: Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...

Yeah.  Also, if memory serves, the second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) was 'reversing the polarity of the neutron flow' long before Star Trek: TNG.

/I always got a kick out out of the people who came close to a stroke over that one, screaming "NEUTRONS HAVE NO CHARGE AND THEREFORE NO POLARITY!!!"  I would calmly point out to them that, OK, there's no charge, but a 'flow' implies motion of a stream from a source to a destination, and that therefore, 'reversing the polarity' would simply mean reversing the flow, i.e., making them flow from what had been the destination back towards the previous source.  Sloppy terminology, but my explanation *might* be 'No-Prize' material.

We really need to find you a girlfriend.


Story-wise, that tends to not end well for Wolfwood.

/Vash always seems to make out OK, though.
 
2014-04-23 06:36:03 PM  
Killing poor people is unpopular now?
 
2014-04-23 06:40:56 PM  
Go home NYT, you're drunk
 
2014-04-23 06:47:15 PM  

HooskerDoo: Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Professor Duck: Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...

Yeah.  Also, if memory serves, the second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) was 'reversing the polarity of the neutron flow' long before Star Trek: TNG.

/I always got a kick out out of the people who came close to a stroke over that one, screaming "NEUTRONS HAVE NO CHARGE AND THEREFORE NO POLARITY!!!"  I would calmly point out to them that, OK, there's no charge, but a 'flow' implies motion of a stream from a source to a destination, and that therefore, 'reversing the polarity' would simply mean reversing the flow, i.e., making them flow from what had been the destination back towards the previous source.  Sloppy terminology, but my explanation *might* be 'No-Prize' material.

We really need to find you a girlfriend.


There's also 'neutral currents' but I honestly don't recall if that bit of Electro-Weak theory was established before or after the 2nd doctor's tenure...
 
2014-04-23 06:53:59 PM  
More math to make liberals feel better.
 
2014-04-23 06:57:48 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Professor Duck: Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...

Yeah.  Also, if memory serves, the second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) was 'reversing the polarity of the neutron flow' long before Star Trek: TNG.

/I always got a kick out out of the people who came close to a stroke over that one, screaming "NEUTRONS HAVE NO CHARGE AND THEREFORE NO POLARITY!!!"  I would calmly point out to them that, OK, there's no charge, but a 'flow' implies motion of a stream from a source to a destination, and that therefore, 'reversing the polarity' would simply mean reversing the flow, i.e., making them flow from what had been the destination back towards the previous source.  Sloppy terminology, but my explanation *might* be 'No-Prize' material.


Not to threadjack, but I think you're off the path here.  First, reversing a flow wouldn't be called reversing the polarity of a flow.  Second, neutrons have spin 1/2, and thus their angular momentum can be polarized.
 
2014-04-23 06:58:47 PM  

mr lawson: max_pooper: Did you RTFA?

ya...i did...
That is a really, really, really bad stat method.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a single payer guy, but holy shiat that was a bad article.
Hell, they even mention the corr/cause...and then proceed act like it is still true.
Can you not see why this bad?


All TFA said is that the polling numbers don't match the GOP narrative that actively implementing the ACA is necessarily a poison pill, since the Democratic governors in the two red states discussed aren't getting killed over it and the Republican governors in other red states aren't getting a huge bump by their intransigence. And then it qualifies it by saying there may be other factors involved. This is not some rigorous assertion that is cherry picking data in an attempt to prove a point. Mostly, it's fluffy, soft and suggestive. Like subby's mom.
 
2014-04-23 07:00:29 PM  

themindiswatching: More math to make liberals feel better.


Good to hear that some people still don't cotton to no lousy numbers.
 
2014-04-23 07:00:36 PM  
Actually I heard that the main reason is that they are not as popular is based on their favorite ice cream flavor. Jindal prefers Vanilla while most in LA like Chocolate. Therefore, it is the ice cream and NOT Obamacare that affects their poll numbers

*the above statement has as much validity as the article and the subby's premise
 
2014-04-23 07:09:31 PM  
I am going to take immense satisfaction in seeing the GOP (and all of their Blue Dog fellow-travelers) biatch-slapped by the success of the ACA.  I'm really glad to have this in the counterpan, because it won't be nearly as much fun seeing them biatch-slapped for being wrong about climate change.
 
2014-04-23 07:11:40 PM  

Pimparoo: timswar: Now, to be fair McCrory's numbers have less to do with his refusal to expand Medicaid than the fact that Governor McCrory is a jackass.

Of course, the two may be related.

How are his numbers even that good? Are the state's GOPpers so far gone they actually like coal ash in their drinking water?


Look, there's just no denying it... While there are a lot of things I love about NC we unfortunately have a LOT of jackasses.
 
2014-04-23 07:12:18 PM  

Nicholas D. Wolfwood: Professor Duck: Reversing the polarity always worked for LaForge...

Yeah.  Also, if memory serves, the second Doctor (Patrick Troughton) was 'reversing the polarity of the neutron flow' long before Star Trek: TNG.

/I always got a kick out out of the people who came close to a stroke over that one, screaming "NEUTRONS HAVE NO CHARGE AND THEREFORE NO POLARITY!!!"  I would calmly point out to them that, OK, there's no charge, but a 'flow' implies motion of a stream from a source to a destination, and that therefore, 'reversing the polarity' would simply mean reversing the flow, i.e., making them flow from what had been the destination back towards the previous source.  Sloppy terminology, but my explanation *might* be 'No-Prize' material.


Or of course we are working with advanced technology - so while the main content of the beam/force field/whatever might be neutrons, and thus called a neutron flow, there might be other particles needed to catalyse/control/stabilize the flow, and which changing the polarity of the additives used might well change the overall properties of the flow.


/of course Occam's Razor just suggests random science sounding words smashed together with no one in the production process with the scientific knowledge of the average 12 year old to at least filter out the most jarring contradictions
 
2014-04-23 07:19:37 PM  
Has any of the law been implemented? I thought that both the individual and employer mandates were still delayed.
 
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