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(The Malay Mail)   US says its troops only "assisted" Yemeni forces in taking out an Al-qaeda bombmaker responsible for the "underwear bomb" plot- by, ya know, flying them to the exact spot of the ambush, giving them guns and pointing out the guy to shoot   (themalaymailonline.com) divider line 39
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2014-04-23 01:31:54 PM
So assist counts as kill?

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2014-04-23 01:42:33 PM
by, ya know, flying them to the exact spot of the ambush, giving them guns and pointing out the guy to shoot

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Has the right expressed its outrage over 0bama's dictatorial actions, yet?
 
2014-04-23 01:42:41 PM
Well, bye.
 
2014-04-23 02:50:12 PM
FTFA: The US has said it flew Yemeni Special Forces in Russian-made helicopters to a mountainous region..the Yemeni troops laid in wait for a 4X4 vehicle believed to be carrying Ibrahim al-Asiri, the alleged mastermind of the 2009 'underwear' bomb attempt...then pelted the vehicle with bullets...US drone strikes reportedly killed more than 50 militants in Yemen over the weekend, in addition to Monday's ambush


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2014-04-23 03:04:38 PM
Sounds like we can be awesome assisters sometimes.
 
2014-04-23 03:04:45 PM
Works for me.  thanks, Obama! and Bravo Zulu to all hands involved.
 
2014-04-23 03:05:05 PM
Hmm, I wonder if we could have provided some more assistance? There has to be more that we can do on these things...
 
2014-04-23 03:05:54 PM
Wink, wink. Nudge, nudge. Say no more.
 
2014-04-23 03:06:04 PM
I'm OK with this
 
2014-04-23 03:06:13 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Sounds like we can be awesome assisters sometimes.


I think that may be the first official double-double the US has recorded in some time
 
2014-04-23 03:07:04 PM
YUMPIN' YEMENI!
 
2014-04-23 03:10:55 PM
any pics?
 
2014-04-23 03:11:22 PM
And?
 
2014-04-23 03:15:36 PM
If flying them to the exact spot of the ambush, giving them guns and pointing out the guy to shoot is a crime...then...oh wait, it isn't.
 
2014-04-23 03:17:36 PM
Didn't know that storm troopers had desert uniforms.
 
2014-04-23 03:21:14 PM

Lionel Mandrake: by, ya know, flying them to the exact spot of the ambush, giving them guns and pointing out the guy to shoot


So, what they're saying is...that U.S. actions alone would not have resulted in taking this man out.

So essentially, the U.S. only assisted?

Don't be a ball hog, guys.

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2014-04-23 03:24:32 PM

onyxruby: Hmm, I wonder if we could have provided some more assistance? There has to be more that we can do on these things...


I bet we could chip in for some lunch too. Covert assassinations always make me hungry.
 
2014-04-23 03:29:49 PM
Look at how man farks I give
 
2014-04-23 03:30:24 PM

zerkalo: Look at how man farks I give


Well, that's awkward.
 
2014-04-23 03:31:31 PM

zerkalo: Look at how man farks I give


NTTAWWT
 
2014-04-23 03:32:17 PM
That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.
 
2014-04-23 03:34:10 PM
So a bunch of people who would harm innocent people - happily, at that - are gone? I really don't care how that happened. The world isn't worse for the loss of terrorists and bomb makers.
 
2014-04-23 03:35:00 PM

Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.


Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?
 
2014-04-23 03:35:42 PM
Good job by the Yemenis, finishing strong at the basket.

I just hope none of the US guys wore John Stockton-esque short shorts.
 
2014-04-23 03:36:14 PM

Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.


Obama is spineless by not invading Lichtenstein. Just look at those smug farkers.

Over there.

Drinking coffee like they own the joint.
 
2014-04-23 03:37:32 PM

zerkalo: zerkalo: Look at how man farks I give

Well, that's awkward.


Don't worry. With a little practice you'll be taking it like a pro
 
2014-04-23 03:38:39 PM

Magorn: Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.

Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?


Two reasons:

1. Despite what military fetishists will tell you, SEALs are not bulletproof, and they get killed when people shoot them.  It is better that Yemeni forces deal with terrorists in Yemen than Americans.

B.  Internal policing is a much cheaper long term solution than constant foreign intervention.   Yemeni's like to see their good guys kill bad guys as much as we do.  And no one likes it when Americans fly in and kill people, even if they are assholes.
 
2014-04-23 03:41:19 PM

Magorn: Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?


Counter-insurgency 101. Literally, it's straight out of the COIN manual. You let the host nation do as much as they can handle, and give them all the credit.

Al Qaeda can use "the US killed a bunch of Muslims" as recruitment propaganda much easier than "Yemenis killed a bunch of Muslims", for starters. Combine that with the fact that the Yemeni Special Forces now feel a bit more confident about their ability to engage AQ, and the logic of the mission shows.
 
2014-04-23 03:46:17 PM

Rent Party: 1. Despite what military fetishists will tell you, SEALs are not bulletproof, and they get killed when people shoot them. It is better that Yemeni forces deal with terrorists in Yemen than Americans.

B. Internal policing is a much cheaper long term solution than constant foreign intervention. Yemeni's like to see their good guys kill bad guys as much as we do. And no one likes it when Americans fly in and kill people, even if they are assholes.


It's not as if these guys haven't killed innocent Yemeni citizens.  The US bolstering the good guys and allowing them to deal with their own internal problems -- as said, bolstering their confidence to engage these terrorists and showing them how - is good policy.  The US doesn't have to be world police, but if we can help non-hostile nations deal with hostile factions in their borders (who will harm their own people), that's being a nation worthy of being a "world leader" rather than just invading and policing.
 
2014-04-23 03:46:24 PM

Magorn: Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.

Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?


We're trying to build the credibility and capabilities of the Yemeni government so that in the future, they'll be able to do more of this themselves. Also, the perception is that the Yemeni government can't govern its own territory, allowing terrorists to control large regions without any threat from the local government, only the US. If terrorists think that the Yemeni government has the capacity to police its own territory effectively, they're less likely to set up shop there. The Yemeni government wants our help in trying to create that image, and it doesn't cost us a damn thing to let them take the credit, so why the hell not? For that matter, when the Yemeni government is taking the credit, less of the anger is directed back at the US. Al Qaeda recruits by rallying people against the outside invaders from the US, and that's a less volatile talking point when the Yemeni government is saying it was them, not the US. It's still somewhat transparent, but if it makes a difference on the margins, it's worth it.
 
2014-04-23 03:46:24 PM

Rent Party: Yemeni's like to see their good guys kill bad guys as much as we do.  And no one likes it when Americans fly in and kill people, even if they are assholes.


Can't trick us. Americans are all assholes.

Oh wait, that's not what you meant.
 
2014-04-23 03:51:09 PM

Magorn: Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.

Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?


Probably building up Yemen's own counter-terrorism units' skills and experience, so they'll be able to handle future internal operations without as much hand-holding.
 
2014-04-23 03:51:38 PM

Gonz: Magorn: Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?

Counter-insurgency 101. Literally, it's straight out of the COIN manual. You let the host nation do as much as they can handle, and give them all the credit.

Al Qaeda can use "the US killed a bunch of Muslims" as recruitment propaganda much easier than "Yemenis killed a bunch of Muslims", for starters. Combine that with the fact that the Yemeni Special Forces now feel a bit more confident about their ability to engage AQ, and the logic of the mission shows.


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Rent Party: Magorn: Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.

Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?

Two reasons:

1. Despite what military fetishists will tell you, SEALs are not bulletproof, and they get killed when people shoot them.  It is better that Yemeni forces deal with terrorists in Yemen than Americans.

B.  Internal policing is a much cheaper long term solution than constant foreign intervention.   Yemeni's like to see their good guys kill bad guys as much as we do.  And no one likes it when Americans fly in and kill people, even if they are assholes.


Excellent points both of you
 
2014-04-23 04:38:08 PM

Sgt Otter: Magorn: Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.

Though when we are basically providing the arms, the training the intel, and even giving the Yemeni troops a ride to the war, the question has to be asked, why not simply let a SEAL team close the deal themselves instead of outsourcing?

Probably building up Yemen's own counter-terrorism units' skills and experience, so they'll be able to handle future internal operations without as much hand-holding.


Just like we did with the Zetas.
 
2014-04-23 04:48:47 PM
The REAL outrage here is that we used Russian-made helicopters. How the heck is the U.S. defense industry supposed to make any money off this deal?

Wrahhhh!!

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2014-04-23 05:22:55 PM

Lionel Mandrake: by, ya know, flying them to the exact spot of the ambush, giving them guns and pointing out the guy to shoot

good.jpg

Has the right expressed its outrage over 0bama's dictatorial actions, yet?


He's weak, because he won't kill anyone but when he does order someone killed, he's a dictator.

Geez, pick one.
 
2014-04-23 05:26:27 PM
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2014-04-23 09:31:28 PM

Rent Party: That is exactly the kind of assistance we should be providing.

Under the previous administration, we would have invaded Lichtenstein.


Look through the battle scenarios in the war room sometime.  They all start the same way.

1) Shut down everything
2) Invade Lichtenstein
3) ???
4) Profit
 
2014-04-24 11:08:41 AM
Fruit of the Boom underwear
 
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