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(Fanbolt)   Aaron Sorkin wants to say he's sorry for HBO's 'The Newsroom' and he wants a do-over   (fanbolt.com) divider line 20
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2014-04-23 01:39:40 PM
3 votes:
The show lost me at the Osama Bin Laden episode.

Dumbass reporter to United Airlines pilot:  "We got Osama Bin Laden for you, sir."

Ugh, that was so sanctimonious and cloying it was reprehensible.  Who's "we", kimosabe?  What the fark did you do to "get" him?  Just horrible, regrettable writing.
2014-04-23 04:37:09 PM
2 votes:
I like the Newsroom.

Just like The West Wing, it's pure wish fulfillment TV. Sort of like how 24 is for those who fap to fantasies of torture.
2014-04-23 02:46:30 PM
2 votes:

Smelly McUgly: As far as self-indulgent Sorkin TV shows go, Studio 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Newsroom.


This. I really wanted to like Studio 60. And I watched the entire season, even the final six episodes, the final 5 being a 5-part episode. I watched because I kept hoping it would get better, and let's be honest, it was just as much fun to hate-watch when it wasn't good. That show was incredibly self-indulgent. He'd write 2-part and 3-part episodes that only needed 1 part. He'd have characters break into West Wing style monologues, channeling their inner Bartlet. It was painful and hilarious to watch a show supposedly about SNL in the style of West Wing. It would make for a great SNL parody if it wasn't a thing that actually happened.

The worst part, though, was how much the show insisted that it's main character was the greatest writer in a generation. That his writing was so powerful that it would shake the nation to its core. The major powers that be were on notice that this sketch-comedy show (don't call them skits) was going to take them down. And with such powerful sketches as "pimp my trike" and "Santa meets Chris Hanson" and an epic parody of "Modern Major General" who wouldn't be quaking in their boots. Such powerful, amazing writing. To echo Peter Griffin, the show "insists upon itself."

But in the end, I really can't hate the show. Even now, I can't. I am, however, very, very disappointed in it.
2014-04-23 12:19:56 PM
2 votes:
I liked the first season, the 2nd season was OK. I like the quick dialog stuff, I liked studio 60 also. I get annoyed by how polarizing the characters are, but that usually doesn't bother me, if the delivery is interesting.
2014-04-23 05:45:36 PM
1 votes:
For the most part, I like The Newsroom. But that's not to say it's not a very flawed program.

As many have said, the romantic subplots are terrible. At times, the show is painfully bad because of them, and I don't understand why Sorkin insists on trying to force them on the audience. The finale of season 2 just completely fell apart at the end because it was "OK, jam all the romantic crap we ignored for a few weeks into this episode."

There are plot threads that go nowhere, like the online commenter threatening McAvoy in season 1. That built the entire season, then just disappeared in season 2. I'm assuming by dialogue that we are to infer the dead son of Skinner's DC source was the one doing it, but it was never really stated as such. Don't be "Heroes," Sorkin. Resolve your plots.

The character development is iffy (I still don't buy Mack as the badass journalist she's supposed to be, Maggie just sucks as a character) or flat-out ridiculous (Don is either a douchebag or he isn't. Pick one. Jane Fonda's Leona either hates the show or she doesn't. Pick one). Really, the best character development has been for Olivia Munn.

There are elements of a really fantastic show in The Newsroom. They too often are obscured by the crap Sorkin shoves into it, and that's a shame.
2014-04-23 05:20:11 PM
1 votes:

Jeteupthemiddle: I like The Newsroom....mostly.

The love triangle is annoying. Couldn't care less about it, but for the most part, I enjoyed the show.

I liked Studio 60 as well, but my real issue with it was that the sketch comedy that was supposed to be great was terrible.

I enjoyed Sportsnight as well.  I think faking a sports highlights show is a lot easier than a late-night sketch comedy.


I liked Sportsnight also.

The romantic subplots are the worst thing about The Newsroom.  Every time the show goes down that road it starts to suck a bit.

I liked season 1 more than 2.  I think Sorkin tried to tone down the idealism going into the second season, but the idealism is what made it work. Will McAvoy is a fun character, and I want to see more of his mission to civilize.
2014-04-23 05:01:43 PM
1 votes:

Jeteupthemiddle: I like The Newsroom....mostly.

The love triangle is annoying. Couldn't care less about it, but for the most part, I enjoyed the show.

I liked Studio 60 as well, but my real issue with it was that the sketch comedy that was supposed to be great was terrible.

I enjoyed Sportsnight as well.  I think faking a sports highlights show is a lot easier than a late-night sketch comedy.


Sports Night worked because they admitted that they were only 3rd best in the ratings, so when things went wrong on air or behind the scenes, it made sense. Studio 60 was terrible because, as you said, it was supposed to be a great show but everyone was terrible at their job.
2014-04-23 04:17:09 PM
1 votes:

Gubbo: For tv, Sorkin peaked with West Wing. Still an amazing movie writer.

When he is allowed have total control he just goes crazy. Also, why is that when I watch every episode I can see where he wrote it for 42 minutes, and then had to pad it out to 55ish for HBO. If you put in one more piece of irredeemable like the Sex and the City tourbus and then chasing down the twitter person.

You know what, screw it. Cocaine, hookers, blackjack


The West Wing is one of the best shows in the history of television. Is it really a huge shock that other things don't measure up to it? Expecting Sorkin to match the achievement of West Wing on any project he does is kind of an absurdly high standard, isn't it?
2014-04-23 03:34:26 PM
1 votes:
If I want to see liberals whining, I can get it for free on the internet.  Why would I pay HBO for it?
2014-04-23 03:15:03 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: better yet, they'll nearly wrongly identify the bombers and then do the right thing at the last moment and sit on their scoop.


I've seen that movie.

static.rogerebert.com

It was ok.
2014-04-23 02:29:26 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: Pocket Ninja: Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.

the newsroom is appallingly written, directed and acted... i agree. but i kind of like silicon valley.


It's written like everything else Sorkin has ever written, which is that the characters all sound exactly the same. It's as if he writes everything as a monologue but breaks it up among the characters in the scene to give the illusion of dialogue.
2014-04-23 02:03:10 PM
1 votes:
We watched the first two episodes, and were like "Wow, this is shiat."

It was typical Sorkin drama with a ridiculous heavy-handed liberal agenda (and I say that as a liberal).  The amount of smugness when filming must have fogged up the camera lenses.
2014-04-23 01:56:17 PM
1 votes:
It's no Sports Night...
2014-04-23 01:55:33 PM
1 votes:
I wish he would just apologize for writing his characters like total idiots to advance romance plots.

As far as self-indulgent Sorkin TV shows go, Studio 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Newsroom.

It will be unpopular to say, but I haven't liked anything Sorkin has worked on since Studio 60 whether in TV or film. I'm very wary of this new Steve Jobs movie he's working on.
2014-04-23 01:49:16 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: There are no Mulligans in television


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2014-04-23 01:38:20 PM
1 votes:
Silicon Valley is great. What's not to love about it?
2014-04-23 01:38:06 PM
1 votes:
"I wasn't trying to and I'm not capable of teaching a professional journalist a lesson. That wasn't my intent and it's never my intent to teach you a lesson or try to persuade you or anything."

I didn't watch The Newsroom but am I right in assuming the Jeff Daniels character was closer to Cronkite than "Let's look at what's trending on Twitter"? Considering how bad TV news is these days would showing a better way be so bad?
2014-04-23 12:11:43 PM
1 votes:
The last time I complained about the Newsroom on here (comparing it to Arli$$) the show's fans accused me of not liking it because I was some closet fascist.

So what's more annoying than a bad show are it's fans.
2014-04-23 12:05:07 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.


You know, I haven't seen much of The Newsroom, since I don't get HBO.  But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.  Seriously - we all liked Toby on some level, and he did provide a certain well-meaning-asshole vibe... But all Toby all the time was a bit much for me.

There are no Mulligans in television, Aaron.  You're going to have to take your lumps.
2014-04-23 11:45:38 AM
1 votes:
You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.
 
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