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(Fanbolt)   Aaron Sorkin wants to say he's sorry for HBO's 'The Newsroom' and he wants a do-over   (fanbolt.com) divider line 84
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2014-04-23 03:34:26 PM  
If I want to see liberals whining, I can get it for free on the internet.  Why would I pay HBO for it?
 
2014-04-23 03:37:56 PM  
your problem was you turned on the sound

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2014-04-23 03:39:00 PM  

Handsome B. Wonderful: If I want to see liberals whining, I can get it for free on the internet.  Why would I pay HBO for it?


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2014-04-23 03:41:23 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: FlyingJ: DontMakeMeComeBackThereJust horrible, regrettable writing.

They're filming their Boston Bombing episode this week, so unless Jeff Daniels is sucked into a Time Warp & emerges in 1916, you can expect a lot of "Boston, we DIDN'T get rid of terrorists. Sorry"

Awesome...so, five minutes after they hear about the bombing, we can expect one of the producers to announce that a friend of theirs at the State Department called and told him that he knew about a couple brothers from (whereverthefark-Kochistan) who might be involved?  AND, the government could have stopped this bombing if not for the actions of Republicans?


FTFY.  Yeah, the show is about that subtle.
 
2014-04-23 03:46:14 PM  
Normally I'm not a fan of reboots, but I'd really love a new West Wing.

Start it up after the Santos presidency, all new players (with the option for cameos from the original cast), etc...
 
2014-04-23 03:48:12 PM  

cannibalparrot: Benevolent Misanthrope: Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.

You know, I haven't seen much of The Newsroom, since I don't get HBO.  But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.  Seriously - we all liked Toby on some level, and he did provide a certain well-meaning-asshole vibe... But all Toby all the time was a bit much for me.

There are no Mulligans in television, Aaron.  You're going to have to take your lumps.

Toby at the beginning? Great.

Toby at the end? Insufferable, unreasonable, sadsack jerkwad.



Which is exactly what would happen to an idealist like Toby who thought he had finally reached a place where he could make real, positive change, only to find it was Politics in America.   One of the best characters ever on television, in one of the best shows ever on television.

Also I loved the Newsroom, except for that stupid forehead woman, who should have been Mandied after the first episode.

Don't bother trying to argue either point, because you would be wrong and therefore should keep quite.
 
2014-04-23 03:50:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: your problem was you turned on the sound

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Ah yes. The "Charmed" effect.
 
2014-04-23 03:59:21 PM  

John the Magnificent: Don't bother trying to argue either point, because you would be wrong and therefore should keep quiet.


Just sit there in their wrongness being wrong?
 
2014-04-23 04:10:47 PM  
They gave him a longer corridor.
 
2014-04-23 04:13:00 PM  
Liked Sportsnight, AFGM, and the first season and a half of West Wing.  Early on in season 2 of West Wing, every character's lines could have been swapped with any other character and no one would have noticed. Every single one became interchangeable.  Could have retitled the series "When Liberals Attack Windmills."  (and I'm the libbiest lib who ever libbed) Here is how the dialog began to sound:

CAMERA PANS LEFT AND PICKS UP GROUP AND THEY ENTER THE HALLWAY.

FEMALE: Wenna?
MALE: No!.  Wenna wenna,
FEMALE: I thought, well, we, wenna wenna wenna.
MALE: Wenna.  WENNA!  Wenna wenna.  wenna
FEMALE: I said wenna.  Tampon!  Wenna.
MALE: (laughs) Okay. I wen--
FEMALE: Wenna wenna wenna, wenna, wenna wenna, wen--wenna wenna wenna wenna, wenn--a, wenna wenna wennna.....
MALE: Wenna Wenna.  Wenna?
FEMALE: Wennawennawennaaaaaawennawenna...wennawennawennawennawenna...wenna..aa a.wen...wenna wenna wenna....

Newsroom was an interesting idea.  But, please do not devolve into a giant glass of whine.
 
2014-04-23 04:13:24 PM  

John the Magnificent: cannibalparrot: Benevolent Misanthrope: Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.

You know, I haven't seen much of The Newsroom, since I don't get HBO.  But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.  Seriously - we all liked Toby on some level, and he did provide a certain well-meaning-asshole vibe... But all Toby all the time was a bit much for me.

There are no Mulligans in television, Aaron.  You're going to have to take your lumps.

Toby at the beginning? Great.

Toby at the end? Insufferable, unreasonable, sadsack jerkwad.


Which is exactly what would happen to an idealist like Toby who thought he had finally reached a place where he could make real, positive change, only to find it was Politics in America.   One of the best characters ever on television, in one of the best shows ever on television.

Also I loved the Newsroom, except for that stupid forehead woman, who should have been Mandied after the first episode.

Don't bother trying to argue either point, because you would be wrong and therefore should keep quite.


nail/head/etc.  but I would add that Toby eventually got tired of Toby too at the end.  I think a good point of showing this is when Toby talked about needing a dictator-like style of gov't to make the world the way he wanted it (season 3 maybe after the shooting).  Although, I still don't know exactly how he ended up under house arrest.  Seems like every time my wife and I re-watch the show, she watches those episodes when I am not around.  something with a secret spaceship.

and I hate the forehead girl on Newsroom.  Her face is too distracting and her characters actions are annoying.
 
2014-04-23 04:17:09 PM  

Gubbo: For tv, Sorkin peaked with West Wing. Still an amazing movie writer.

When he is allowed have total control he just goes crazy. Also, why is that when I watch every episode I can see where he wrote it for 42 minutes, and then had to pad it out to 55ish for HBO. If you put in one more piece of irredeemable like the Sex and the City tourbus and then chasing down the twitter person.

You know what, screw it. Cocaine, hookers, blackjack


The West Wing is one of the best shows in the history of television. Is it really a huge shock that other things don't measure up to it? Expecting Sorkin to match the achievement of West Wing on any project he does is kind of an absurdly high standard, isn't it?
 
2014-04-23 04:37:09 PM  
I like the Newsroom.

Just like The West Wing, it's pure wish fulfillment TV. Sort of like how 24 is for those who fap to fantasies of torture.
 
2014-04-23 04:42:31 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I wish he would just apologize for writing his characters like total idiots to advance romance plots.

As far as self-indulgent Sorkin TV shows go, Studio 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Newsroom.

It will be unpopular to say, but I haven't liked anything Sorkin has worked on since Studio 60 whether in TV or film. I'm very wary of this new Steve Jobs movie he's working on.


Needs more >>>>>>
 
2014-04-23 04:47:51 PM  
Daniels' character was beyond unlikeable. He was a snarling, angry, bitter douche. Having an anchor like that on TV would last about one broadcast. Other than that, the show was like like Think Progress envisioning it's perfect TV news broadcast. Ugh.
 
2014-04-23 04:51:46 PM  
A do-over? No

A pass? Yes, based on previous work
 
2014-04-23 04:55:28 PM  
Sports night was good for a first-time TV show, except of course the terrible laugh track.
The West Wing is a high water mark.
Studio 60 was fun, about mid-range for a Sorkin show.
The Newsroom was preachy as hell (at least in season 1) and I'd say it was better that way. Will still enjoy it.

/Quo Vadimus?
 
2014-04-23 04:58:36 PM  
I like The Newsroom....mostly.

The love triangle is annoying. Couldn't care less about it, but for the most part, I enjoyed the show.

I liked Studio 60 as well, but my real issue with it was that the sketch comedy that was supposed to be great was terrible.

I enjoyed Sportsnight as well.  I think faking a sports highlights show is a lot easier than a late-night sketch comedy.
 
2014-04-23 05:01:43 PM  

Jeteupthemiddle: I like The Newsroom....mostly.

The love triangle is annoying. Couldn't care less about it, but for the most part, I enjoyed the show.

I liked Studio 60 as well, but my real issue with it was that the sketch comedy that was supposed to be great was terrible.

I enjoyed Sportsnight as well.  I think faking a sports highlights show is a lot easier than a late-night sketch comedy.


Sports Night worked because they admitted that they were only 3rd best in the ratings, so when things went wrong on air or behind the scenes, it made sense. Studio 60 was terrible because, as you said, it was supposed to be a great show but everyone was terrible at their job.
 
2014-04-23 05:08:37 PM  

Coder: Sports night was good for a first-time TV show, except of course the terrible laugh track.
The West Wing is a high water mark.
Studio 60 was fun, about mid-range for a Sorkin show.
The Newsroom was preachy as hell (at least in season 1) and I'd say it was better that way. Will still enjoy it.

/Quo Vadimus?


I can't see or hear those two words now without thinking of the "Deus Ex Machina" treasure chest at the end of Dodgeball.
 
2014-04-23 05:15:10 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: The show lost me at the Osama Bin Laden episode.

Dumbass reporter to United Airlines pilot:  "We got Osama Bin Laden for you, sir."

Ugh, that was so sanctimonious and cloying it was reprehensible.  Who's "we", kimosabe?  What the fark did you do to "get" him?  Just horrible, regrettable writing.


I rewatched that not long ago. He said "Tonight the United States military killed Osama Bin Laden for you. We got him."

Not saying that episode wasn't over the top, but I heard it as "We, the United States of America, got him."

I like the show.
 
2014-04-23 05:20:11 PM  

Jeteupthemiddle: I like The Newsroom....mostly.

The love triangle is annoying. Couldn't care less about it, but for the most part, I enjoyed the show.

I liked Studio 60 as well, but my real issue with it was that the sketch comedy that was supposed to be great was terrible.

I enjoyed Sportsnight as well.  I think faking a sports highlights show is a lot easier than a late-night sketch comedy.


I liked Sportsnight also.

The romantic subplots are the worst thing about The Newsroom.  Every time the show goes down that road it starts to suck a bit.

I liked season 1 more than 2.  I think Sorkin tried to tone down the idealism going into the second season, but the idealism is what made it work. Will McAvoy is a fun character, and I want to see more of his mission to civilize.
 
2014-04-23 05:32:57 PM  

TrainingWheelsNeeded: That's disappointing to hear. I had high hopes for that show. Fan of Judge, and the kid from Freaks and Geeks.


Don't not watch Silicon Valley because someone on Fark said it's bad. I think it's a fun show, and being someone who works in tech and who lived in the Bay Area during the dot-com boom, it's fairly damned accurate in the ways it needs to be. If you like Mike Judge and the kid from Freaks and Geeks (who plays a Satanic illegal immigrant from Canada on the show), I think you'll be fine.

Besides, you were quoting Pocket Ninja, King of Irony. So go ahead and feel free to watch Silicon Valley.
 
2014-04-23 05:36:46 PM  

ExcedrinHeadache: the kid from Freaks and Geeks (who plays a Satanic illegal immigrant from Canada on the show


He was also brilliant in Party Down:

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2014-04-23 05:37:23 PM  
A sports night remake with nudity and sex?

please!
 
2014-04-23 05:45:36 PM  
For the most part, I like The Newsroom. But that's not to say it's not a very flawed program.

As many have said, the romantic subplots are terrible. At times, the show is painfully bad because of them, and I don't understand why Sorkin insists on trying to force them on the audience. The finale of season 2 just completely fell apart at the end because it was "OK, jam all the romantic crap we ignored for a few weeks into this episode."

There are plot threads that go nowhere, like the online commenter threatening McAvoy in season 1. That built the entire season, then just disappeared in season 2. I'm assuming by dialogue that we are to infer the dead son of Skinner's DC source was the one doing it, but it was never really stated as such. Don't be "Heroes," Sorkin. Resolve your plots.

The character development is iffy (I still don't buy Mack as the badass journalist she's supposed to be, Maggie just sucks as a character) or flat-out ridiculous (Don is either a douchebag or he isn't. Pick one. Jane Fonda's Leona either hates the show or she doesn't. Pick one). Really, the best character development has been for Olivia Munn.

There are elements of a really fantastic show in The Newsroom. They too often are obscured by the crap Sorkin shoves into it, and that's a shame.
 
2014-04-23 06:32:15 PM  

someonelse: John the Magnificent: Don't bother trying to argue either point, because you would be wrong and therefore should keep quiet.

Just sit there in their wrongness being wrong?


Exactly!
 
2014-04-23 07:19:01 PM  
Olivia Munn in sexy business attire? You have nothing to apologize for, Aaron.
 
2014-04-23 08:35:01 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.

You know, I haven't seen much of The Newsroom, since I don't get HBO.  But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.  Seriously - we all liked Toby on some level, and he did provide a certain well-meaning-asshole vibe... But all Toby all the time was a bit much for me.

There are no Mulligans in television, Aaron.  You're going to have to take your lumps.


Horseshiat. He's on his third mulligan. Been writing the same show with the same character (yes, they're all the same character) since Sports Night.
 
2014-04-23 09:00:57 PM  

Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.


Yeah, you're pretty wrong about Silicon Valley.
 
2014-04-23 09:56:10 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Family Guy had it right... it's a comedy that's too good to be funny.


It insists on itself.
 
2014-04-24 01:07:14 AM  

Coder: Sports night was good for a first-time TV show, except of course the terrible laugh track.
The West Wing is a high water mark.
Studio 60 was fun, about mid-range for a Sorkin show.
The Newsroom was preachy as hell (at least in season 1) and I'd say it was better that way. Will still enjoy it.

/Quo Vadimus?


They dumped the laugh track after the first few episodes.
 
2014-04-24 08:55:20 AM  

Nogale: Coder: Sports night was good for a first-time TV show, except of course the terrible laugh track.
The West Wing is a high water mark.
Studio 60 was fun, about mid-range for a Sorkin show.
The Newsroom was preachy as hell (at least in season 1) and I'd say it was better that way. Will still enjoy it.

/Quo Vadimus?

They dumped the laugh track after the first few episodes.


I remember them toning it down, but don't remember it being removed completely. *shrug*
 
2014-04-24 07:22:05 PM  
I gave up after 4 or 5 episodes.  Sorkin just isn't for me.
 
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