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2014-04-23 11:45:38 AM
You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.
 
2014-04-23 11:51:36 AM
Well, that's embarrassing.
 
2014-04-23 12:05:07 PM

Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.


You know, I haven't seen much of The Newsroom, since I don't get HBO.  But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.  Seriously - we all liked Toby on some level, and he did provide a certain well-meaning-asshole vibe... But all Toby all the time was a bit much for me.

There are no Mulligans in television, Aaron.  You're going to have to take your lumps.
 
2014-04-23 12:06:43 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.


That is an exactly correct assessment of The Newsroom.
 
2014-04-23 12:11:43 PM
The last time I complained about the Newsroom on here (comparing it to Arli$$) the show's fans accused me of not liking it because I was some closet fascist.

So what's more annoying than a bad show are it's fans.
 
2014-04-23 12:17:12 PM
He must have sobered up.
 
2014-04-23 12:19:56 PM
I liked the first season, the 2nd season was OK. I like the quick dialog stuff, I liked studio 60 also. I get annoyed by how polarizing the characters are, but that usually doesn't bother me, if the delivery is interesting.
 
2014-04-23 12:34:40 PM
I liked the first season quite a bit.  The second season took steps forwards in some ways, backwards in others.  I'll watch the third happily.  Hopefully Sorkin gets another project on TV soon after, he's one of the best television writers in the business.
 
2014-04-23 12:42:21 PM
I'll watch the third season.

I'll tell ya, though. That season 2 finale made me gag a little.
 
2014-04-23 01:22:17 PM

HawgWild: That season 2 finale made me gag a little.


I think he watched one or two million too many British rom-coms when writing that ending

The show gave me diabetes with how saccharin it was
 
2014-04-23 01:22:48 PM
Meh. I liked it.
 
2014-04-23 01:28:11 PM

Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.


We like Newsroom and Silicon Valley.
 
2014-04-23 01:32:04 PM

Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.



I've only seen the first season and have heard this quite a bit. I got the feeling that as the characters were fleshed out the show, was straying from what initially attracted me to it. I've been hesitant to even bother watching more just to avoid the disappointment, lol

Because People in power are Stupid: The last time I complained about the Newsroom on here (comparing it to Arli$$) the show's fans accused me of not liking it because I was some closet fascist.

So what's more annoying than a bad show are it's fans.


I'm sorry you had to suffer the slings and arrows of strangers over the internet. Need a tissue?
 
2014-04-23 01:33:58 PM
His coke stash must be low.
 
2014-04-23 01:38:06 PM
"I wasn't trying to and I'm not capable of teaching a professional journalist a lesson. That wasn't my intent and it's never my intent to teach you a lesson or try to persuade you or anything."

I didn't watch The Newsroom but am I right in assuming the Jeff Daniels character was closer to Cronkite than "Let's look at what's trending on Twitter"? Considering how bad TV news is these days would showing a better way be so bad?
 
2014-04-23 01:38:20 PM
Silicon Valley is great. What's not to love about it?
 
2014-04-23 01:39:40 PM
The show lost me at the Osama Bin Laden episode.

Dumbass reporter to United Airlines pilot:  "We got Osama Bin Laden for you, sir."

Ugh, that was so sanctimonious and cloying it was reprehensible.  Who's "we", kimosabe?  What the fark did you do to "get" him?  Just horrible, regrettable writing.
 
2014-04-23 01:42:26 PM
Have Olivia Munn appear totally nude. Full frontal, not covered up by scenery or costume. And not just once, but every second she is on the screen.

Do this and we'll consider your apology.
 
2014-04-23 01:43:53 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.

You know, I haven't seen much of The Newsroom, since I don't get HBO.  But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.  Seriously - we all liked Toby on some level, and he did provide a certain well-meaning-asshole vibe... But all Toby all the time was a bit much for me.

There are no Mulligans in television, Aaron.  You're going to have to take your lumps.


Toby at the beginning? Great.

Toby at the end? Insufferable, unreasonable, sadsack jerkwad.
 
2014-04-23 01:45:29 PM

Wadded Beef: "I wasn't trying to and I'm not capable of teaching a professional journalist a lesson. That wasn't my intent and it's never my intent to teach you a lesson or try to persuade you or anything."

I didn't watch The Newsroom but am I right in assuming the Jeff Daniels character was closer to Cronkite than "Let's look at what's trending on Twitter"? Considering how bad TV news is these days would showing a better way be so bad?


I agree.  I think he was trying to teach a lesson and that's fine and now for some reason is trying to backpedal.  Maybe because he thinks that his show being preachy is what turned people off which I don't necessarily think is true.
 
2014-04-23 01:45:36 PM
I'll watch season 3 of Newsroom. It's been good. I care about plot and dialogue and overall the show has met that need. I mean what else is there to watch this summer?
 
2014-04-23 01:47:02 PM
Wadded Beef:
I didn't watch The Newsroom but am I right in assuming the Jeff Daniels character was closer to Cronkite than "Let's look at what's trending on Twitter"? Considering how bad TV news is these days would showing a better way be so bad?

To be honest, he's closest to Dan Rydell, who was Aaron Sorkin's Olbermann figure.
 
2014-04-23 01:49:16 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: There are no Mulligans in television


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2014-04-23 01:50:34 PM

Dangl1ng: I'll watch season 3 of Newsroom. It's been good. I care about plot and dialogue and overall the show has met that need. I mean what else is there to watch this summer?


The Wire.
THe Sopranos.
Alot of other HBO shows you can get through HBO GO?
 
2014-04-23 01:53:36 PM
I really enjoyed the first season. The second season, not so much. I'll watch the third and hope it's at least better than season two.
 
2014-04-23 01:53:53 PM
Family Guy had it right... it's a comedy that's too good to be funny.
 
2014-04-23 01:54:13 PM
Oh fark y'all it's still a great show. So it changed a little, go back to watching shows that never change for eight seasons
 
2014-04-23 01:54:46 PM

Pocket Ninja: You can't have one.

Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.


That's disappointing to hear. I had high hopes for that show. Fan of Judge, and the kid from Freaks and Geeks.
 
2014-04-23 01:55:33 PM
I wish he would just apologize for writing his characters like total idiots to advance romance plots.

As far as self-indulgent Sorkin TV shows go, Studio 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Newsroom.

It will be unpopular to say, but I haven't liked anything Sorkin has worked on since Studio 60 whether in TV or film. I'm very wary of this new Steve Jobs movie he's working on.
 
2014-04-23 01:56:17 PM
It's no Sports Night...
 
2014-04-23 01:56:38 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: The show lost me at the Osama Bin Laden episode.

Dumbass reporter to United Airlines pilot:  "We got Osama Bin Laden for you, sir."

Ugh, that was so sanctimonious and cloying it was reprehensible.  Who's "we", kimosabe?  What the fark did you do to "get" him?  Just horrible, regrettable writing.


I don't know. When it was announced that Bin Laden was killed there was a lot of "We got him!" going around by everybody.
 
2014-04-23 02:01:03 PM

Wellon Dowd: Have Olivia Munn appear totally nude. Full frontal, not covered up by scenery or costume. And not just once, but every second she is on the screen.

Do this and we'll consider your apology.


I like it.
 
2014-04-23 02:02:44 PM

Pocket Ninja: Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.


the newsroom is appallingly written, directed and acted... i agree. but i kind of like silicon valley.
 
2014-04-23 02:03:10 PM
We watched the first two episodes, and were like "Wow, this is shiat."

It was typical Sorkin drama with a ridiculous heavy-handed liberal agenda (and I say that as a liberal).  The amount of smugness when filming must have fogged up the camera lenses.
 
2014-04-23 02:06:16 PM

Pocket Ninja: Benevolent Misanthrope: But the little bit I have seen looked to me like it was all the annoying parts of West Wing, and none of the good.

That is an exactly correct assessment of The Newsroom.


Watched a few episodes of Newsroom, ^^^ was my view as well.
 
2014-04-23 02:12:19 PM
You think he could just follow the template.

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2014-04-23 02:15:39 PM
Aaron Sorkin wants to say he's sorry.........

America says, "yes you are".
 
2014-04-23 02:15:50 PM
DontMakeMeComeBackThereJust horrible, regrettable writing.

They're filming their Boston Bombing episode this week, so unless Jeff Daniels is sucked into a Time Warp & emerges in 1916, you can expect a lot of "Boston, we DIDN'T get rid of terrorists. Sorry"
 
2014-04-23 02:27:28 PM
He should have casted this guy as the lead...

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2014-04-23 02:28:23 PM
For tv, Sorkin peaked with West Wing. Still an amazing movie writer.

When he is allowed have total control he just goes crazy. Also, why is that when I watch every episode I can see where he wrote it for 42 minutes, and then had to pad it out to 55ish for HBO. If you put in one more piece of irredeemable like the Sex and the City tourbus and then chasing down the twitter person.

You know what, screw it. Cocaine, hookers, blackjack
 
2014-04-23 02:29:26 PM

FlashHarry: Pocket Ninja: Although as bad as The Newsroom became after its first season, it still never got as bad as Silicon Valley. Holy Christ, that's a terrible show.

the newsroom is appallingly written, directed and acted... i agree. but i kind of like silicon valley.


It's written like everything else Sorkin has ever written, which is that the characters all sound exactly the same. It's as if he writes everything as a monologue but breaks it up among the characters in the scene to give the illusion of dialogue.
 
2014-04-23 02:30:31 PM
This is the show were its just a liberal cricle-jerk right?  Mebbe it could be that?
 
2014-04-23 02:43:17 PM
The best part of the second season wasn't in the second season.  It was what happened after.  Following the finale, parts of the press whined and complained that the "fake news story that makes it to air" was far fetched and overdone.  Then the Laura Logan Benghazi scandal happened plot point by plot point.  It was as if Sorkin had found a crystal ball and had written a TV show using it.  It was, hilarious.

/Benghazi itself, not so much.
 
2014-04-23 02:46:08 PM

ongbok: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: The show lost me at the Osama Bin Laden episode.

Dumbass reporter to United Airlines pilot:  "We got Osama Bin Laden for you, sir."

Ugh, that was so sanctimonious and cloying it was reprehensible.  Who's "we", kimosabe?  What the fark did you do to "get" him?  Just horrible, regrettable writing.

I don't know. When it was announced that Bin Laden was killed there was a lot of "We got him!" going around by everybody.


Did you see the episode?  It was not a "We got him!!!" moment.  The dude was about to go off on the pilot of the plane he was stuck on (landed, on the ground) about the stupid rule of not being able to stand up because they were not at the gate yet (he had been giving the stewardess a hard time earlier).  When he noticed that the pilot was a United pilot (didn't he know what flight he was on?), he suddenly got practically genuflecting and said in the most somber "I present you my first born son, your holiness" voice "I just wanted to tell you: we got Bin Laden for you." (with emphasis on the "for you" part too)  It was  truly cringe-worthy.
 
2014-04-23 02:46:30 PM

Smelly McUgly: As far as self-indulgent Sorkin TV shows go, Studio 60 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Newsroom.


This. I really wanted to like Studio 60. And I watched the entire season, even the final six episodes, the final 5 being a 5-part episode. I watched because I kept hoping it would get better, and let's be honest, it was just as much fun to hate-watch when it wasn't good. That show was incredibly self-indulgent. He'd write 2-part and 3-part episodes that only needed 1 part. He'd have characters break into West Wing style monologues, channeling their inner Bartlet. It was painful and hilarious to watch a show supposedly about SNL in the style of West Wing. It would make for a great SNL parody if it wasn't a thing that actually happened.

The worst part, though, was how much the show insisted that it's main character was the greatest writer in a generation. That his writing was so powerful that it would shake the nation to its core. The major powers that be were on notice that this sketch-comedy show (don't call them skits) was going to take them down. And with such powerful sketches as "pimp my trike" and "Santa meets Chris Hanson" and an epic parody of "Modern Major General" who wouldn't be quaking in their boots. Such powerful, amazing writing. To echo Peter Griffin, the show "insists upon itself."

But in the end, I really can't hate the show. Even now, I can't. I am, however, very, very disappointed in it.
 
2014-04-23 02:49:27 PM

FlyingJ: DontMakeMeComeBackThereJust horrible, regrettable writing.

They're filming their Boston Bombing episode this week, so unless Jeff Daniels is sucked into a Time Warp & emerges in 1916, you can expect a lot of "Boston, we DIDN'T get rid of terrorists. Sorry"


Awesome...so, five minutes after they hear about the bombing, we can expect one of the producers to announce that a friend of theirs at the State Department called and told him that he knew about a couple brothers from (whereverthefark-istan) who might be involved?  AND, the government could have stopped this bombing if not for the actions of Republicans?
 
2014-04-23 03:03:56 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Awesome...so, five minutes after they hear about the bombing, we can expect one of the producers to announce that a friend of theirs at the State Department called and told him that he knew about a couple brothers from (whereverthefark-istan) who might be involved?  AND, the government could have stopped this bombing if not for the actions of Republicans?


either that or they'll wrongly identify the bombers (a la the NY post) and catch hell for it. or, better yet, they'll nearly wrongly identify the bombers and then do the right thing at the last moment and sit on their scoop.
 
2014-04-23 03:15:03 PM

FlashHarry: better yet, they'll nearly wrongly identify the bombers and then do the right thing at the last moment and sit on their scoop.


I've seen that movie.

static.rogerebert.com

It was ok.
 
2014-04-23 03:21:17 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: ongbok: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: The show lost me at the Osama Bin Laden episode.

Dumbass reporter to United Airlines pilot:  "We got Osama Bin Laden for you, sir."

Ugh, that was so sanctimonious and cloying it was reprehensible.  Who's "we", kimosabe?  What the fark did you do to "get" him?  Just horrible, regrettable writing.

I don't know. When it was announced that Bin Laden was killed there was a lot of "We got him!" going around by everybody.

Did you see the episode?  It was not a "We got him!!!" moment.  The dude was about to go off on the pilot of the plane he was stuck on (landed, on the ground) about the stupid rule of not being able to stand up because they were not at the gate yet (he had been giving the stewardess a hard time earlier).  When he noticed that the pilot was a United pilot (didn't he know what flight he was on?), he suddenly got practically genuflecting and said in the most somber "I present you my first born son, your holiness" voice "I just wanted to tell you: we got Bin Laden for you." (with emphasis on the "for you" part too)  It was  truly cringe-worthy.


Wasn't the whole point was that they didn't know for sure if it was Bin Laden and they were trying to get off of the plane to get confirmation? The stewardess got tired of the one guy complaining and arguing with her so she got the pilot, and at that moment they got confirmation that it was Bin Laden. So it was a "we got him" moment like most of the press in the country had that night when Obama called the press conference and had the country speculating and wanting to say Bin Laden but were waiting for confirmation.
 
2014-04-23 03:32:12 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: "I just wanted to tell you: we got Bin Laden for you." (with emphasis on the "for you" part too) It was truly cringe-worthy.


What was really said: "And we wanted you and your first officer and Flight Attendant Crazy Lady to be the first ones on this plane to know that our armed forces killed Osama bin Laden for you tonight."

At least be outraged by what was said, not what you imagined :-)

/Yes, I'm a fan
 
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