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(The Local)   Germany warns of war in Europe. This is not a repeat from 1938   (thelocal.de) divider line 42
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2014-04-23 12:00:14 PM
4 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'


Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

2, They failed to keep dozens of Soviet Army divisions pinned in the Far East.  By not going to war with the Soviet Union, and by not *ACTING* like they were going to, they let the Soviets move those divisions across the largest country in the World by rail in order to counter the Wehrmacht.
2014-04-23 02:17:56 PM
3 votes:
Any attack on a NATO nation is supposed to bring the entire alliance to defend it. And a lot of NATO nations are right on Ukraine's borders. Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, Poland. And the Baltic states on Russia's borders. Turkey as well. Any attack on them is supposed to be the same as an attack on Germany, France, the UK, Canada, or the US.

So this isn't 1914 or 1939 where the US can sit on the sidelines of a European war. It has been bound since the end of ww2 to defend its European allies.

Putin knows the Ukraine isn't in NATO, so he has more of a free hand there. Putin is too smart to risk the costs of a war with NATO, knows the NATO member states will saber rattle about his actions, but NATO has shown Ukraine isn't worth it to risk armed conflict.
2014-04-23 01:38:06 PM
3 votes:
Good.  Let Europe police their own back yard for once.
2014-04-23 05:55:03 PM
2 votes:

spawn73: Paulus was a farking coward, he should just have done it when the relief army came close. Yet whilst he was fine with sacrificing houndreds of thousands of German soldiers lives, he himself surrendered after being promoted to Field Marshall, despite the clear expectation was that he was to commit suicide.


A Field Marshall does not kill himself with his nail clippers.

Paulus surrendering was a giant upraised middle finger directed at Hitler.

That potential breakout was never realistic. 6th Army didn't have the fuel or the ammunition to make it, and their troops were well past the point of being capable of walking out. The ring was madness fueled by Hitler's megalomania and refusal to abandon Stalingrad. It was never a viable defense plan.
2014-04-23 04:49:23 PM
2 votes:

MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
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I love this image.


While badass to be sure, the engineer in me loves this one:

www.temporalnexus.net

Take a look at that "Maximum Threat Anti-Armor Configuration."  Those are AGM-65 Mavericks, -K or -Ls... 17 of them.   Each one can defeat a tank by itself.
The GAU-8 30mm cannon also rains explosive death at 70 shells per second that can kill a tank with a half-second burst as well, and it carries 1,350 rounds of that.

This aircraft is a ravenous tank-eater.

/what a beauty
2014-04-23 04:07:02 PM
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'


Russia had the US's help last time. This time we will be on Germany's side.

/just sayin'
2014-04-23 03:05:09 PM
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: Arkanaut: Ooh, the Germans are mad. I'm so scared! Ooh, the Germans! Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me! Don't let the Germans come after me! Oh no, the Germans are coming after me! They're so big and strong!

FEED ME RUSSIANS!


If there's one thing history has taught us, it is that when Germany there is going to be a war, there is definitely going to be a war.
2014-04-23 02:42:28 PM
2 votes:
Also, for anyone who cares, Russian backed terrorist mayor of Slavyansk has kidnapped an American Journalist (Simon Ostrovsky of Vice News) and is currently holding him hostage. farking outrageous.
2014-04-23 02:36:58 PM
2 votes:
Um. Am I the only one remembering that the KGB sent Putin to Krautland and he loved it? (IIRC still speaks Germany.)
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2014-04-23 02:32:09 PM
2 votes:

DocPeabody: Well.... while those did play a role in their ultimate downfall on the eastern front, there's a lot to be said about their fuel consumption. They failed to take the rich oil fields in the south, thus their war machine halted outside of moscow, unable to keep up with the momentum of  the blitz, not to mention that the weather was causing them to burn twice as much fuel than expected. The pause that was created was a combinationof various factors, some more than others. In terms of the US entry into the war and its effects on the Eastern Front, they were not immediate enough as the the true Western Front was opened until very late in the war. Though to be fair, once it was, their fate was sealed.


Even if they had taken the oil fields, the Germans couldn't compete with Soviet manpower backed up in large degree with US economic might.

Did you know that the USA, all by itself, had a higher GDP than all of the Axis nations *COMBINED*?

Of the combatants in WWII, the US accounted for nearly 45% of the combined GDP of the Allies and Axis, *COMBINED*, in 1942.  By 1944, it had risen to 47%.

Think about that for a moment.  Nearly half of the economic output of every major combatant on all sides was from the US.

Without the US, the Axis would have had a 50% economic advantage over a combined UK/USSR alliance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II
2014-04-23 02:06:40 PM
2 votes:
yea, i guess The Peace was getting old for the boys..........


after all, only 'Murica is allowed to invade a Nation anytime it feels like it.
2014-04-23 02:01:35 PM
2 votes:

groppet: namatad: FFS, France and Germany are talking about joining forces and mobilizing against Russia.
And so it begins.

Well they couldnt beat them on their own so guess they have to join forces to take on the bear.


Europe as a whole has spent 59 years since the end of WWII gearing up towards one thing, and one thing only: Keeping the Russians from driving them into the Atlantic off the tip of Spain.  Every piece of military equipment that Western Europe has built has been designed to fight the Russian Military and their equipment, right down to the size of the guns and width of the hull of their tanks.

NATO, as a whole, is not concerned with taking land, invading countries, or waging aggressive war on the Russians. Their entire goal and
existence is to keep the Russians, especially Russianultra-nationalists, from doing it to them.
2014-04-23 01:51:26 PM
2 votes:

xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.


Yeah, it's all a big conspiracy.

It has nothing to do with the Russians being aggressive and reminding Europe of 1939.

dittybopper: 2, They failed to keep dozens of Soviet Army divisions pinned in the Far East.  By not going to war with the Soviet Union, and by not *ACTING* like they were going to, they let the Soviets move those divisions across the largest country in the World by rail in order to counter the Wehrmacht.


They also didn't hold their ground and re-enforce the gains they had made before the onset of winter. Had Hitler not been kill-hungry and tried to fight during the Russian Winter, held his ground and then broke out during the next spring, things might have been different.
2014-04-23 12:39:28 PM
2 votes:
forums.rennlist.com
2014-04-23 11:20:45 AM
2 votes:
Probably not a good idea, modmins, to greenlight a 9-day-old story about a situation that changes from day to day.
2014-04-23 08:54:59 AM
2 votes:
The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.
2014-04-23 07:12:14 PM
1 votes:
You know that a modern MIRV equipped ICBM can do more overall damage than one bomber with Tsar on it, right?

Beyond a certain yield, the summative effects of an MIRV are more than a single high yield bomb.
2014-04-23 07:06:19 PM
1 votes:

anuran: MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
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I love this image.

I see your slow flying artillery platform and raise you this:

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Lots of stuff that works well against an undersupplied, poorly trained Iraqi Army or guerillas with small arms isn't nearly as effective when you have to fight a country with an economy and modern equipment.


I think a lot of people might think this upcoming war with Russia will be like their great-grandfather's or grandfather's war in WWII.

The indications are to the contrary.

b68389.medialib.glogster.com

MOAB is a joke.

What I'm afraid of is someone calling Washington DC and re-enacting Sophie's Choice by demanding the POTUS choose which US city gets Tsar Bomba'ed.
2014-04-23 05:37:13 PM
1 votes:
Seraphym:
The GAU-8 30mm cannon also rains explosive death at 70 shells per second that can kill a tank with a half-second burst as well, and it carries 1,350 rounds of that.

This aircraft is a ravenous tank-eater.

/what a beauty


During the 1st Gulf War, the air wing attached to my carrier was one of the last that had separate squadrons for air superiority and close air support (read that as "F-14 and A-6 squadrons") rather than F-18's for everything.   I could always tell who was flying what simply because the F-14 guys were hating it as there was nothing for them to kill, while the A-6 guys were having the time of their life blowing up every damn thing they could see.

Close air support is the shiat.
2014-04-23 05:06:12 PM
1 votes:

Marmilman: Also, for anyone who cares, Russian backed terrorist mayor of Slavyansk has kidnapped an American Journalist (Simon Ostrovsky of Vice News) and is currently holding him hostage. farking outrageous.


Why, what an excellent opportunity for Delta to perform a little field exercise...  thanks for the just cause, insurgent pieces of shiat.

But remember, we should listen to the majority 18% in Donetsk who want to secede and join Russia, they speak for all the people and they're all reasonable statesmen who just need to be heard.  Those people nobody recognizes who came to help?  Long-lost relatives, who all shop at the same outfitter.
2014-04-23 03:45:04 PM
1 votes:

Amish Tech Support: Fark like a Barsoomian: Amish Tech Support: [img.fark.net image 500x692]

Where is this from?

I found it on some random stumbleupon web site. It's all death metal and shiat.


i.imgur.com
2014-04-23 03:41:45 PM
1 votes:

Fark_Guy_Rob: Thank God for the Americans.


While I know you're being sarcastic, but the only thing that allowed the Russians to win WWII in Europe was the massive influx of lend-lease agreement materials, equipment, resources and weapons while they executed what was - at that time - one of the largest and most technologically challenging industrial base relocation efforts in the history of the industrialized world.

The United States also kept the UK alive until the end of the Africa offensive.

We may not have done all the fighting and dying, but we did a lot of the manufacturing.
2014-04-23 03:35:30 PM
1 votes:

ferretman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Only beacuse American was providing material support to Russia in the form of trucks, food, equipment, etc. as well as America (as well as others) invading Occupied France and North Africa.


Thank God for the Americans.  They saved the world from the Nazis, invented pretty much all the coolest stuff (internet included).  I know it's cool to hate on them, but everywhere I look I see McDonald's, Papa Johns, and everyone watching American movies, while wearing American brands, while saying how they don't like America.

USA!  USA!
2014-04-23 03:29:36 PM
1 votes:

genepool lifeboat: There's too many of us


Nice name you got there.

/Blame it on the middle-class!
2014-04-23 03:16:37 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'


Only beacuse American was providing material support to Russia in the form of trucks, food, equipment, etc. as well as America (as well as others) invading Occupied France and North Africa.
2014-04-23 03:13:26 PM
1 votes:

SurlyNerd: hardinparamedic: Arkanaut: Ooh, the Germans are mad. I'm so scared! Ooh, the Germans! Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me! Don't let the Germans come after me! Oh no, the Germans are coming after me! They're so big and strong!

FEED ME RUSSIANS!

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[www.worldwide-military.com image 850x567]

JG 73 "Steinhoff" for great justice! Spent a cold week there some years ago. But seriously, an Eurofighter is too expensive to risk.


So it's essentially the European F-22?
2014-04-23 03:08:59 PM
1 votes:

kindms: Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.

There has been some talk about the west messing around in Ukraine prior to the presidents ouster. So it is possible that this situation was accelerated by the US and Western allies sowing the seeds of rebellion in yet another country to place a pro-western  government in charge.

It has happened before and is generally the reason we get involved in armed conflicts these days. That isn't to say the former President of Ukraine wasn't a criminal but there seems to be a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes


My understanding was that the people wanted closer ties to the rest of Europe, the president then pushed a bunch of laws through nixing that and tying them more closely with Russia, and people got pissed.

While I wouldn't be shocked if there was some under the table stuff, it seemed like the people were pretty clear in what they wanted, and then got screwed.
2014-04-23 03:07:17 PM
1 votes:
He's going to start WW3. And it's going to end very, very badly. I get the impression of Putin that MAD doesn't really phase him. If he can't have what he wants, no one can.

I really should move away from the DC/Annapolis area...
2014-04-23 02:55:38 PM
1 votes:

INeedAName: Richard C Stanford: Kind of ironic this is happening about 100 years after the outbreak of WW1.

That's not what Irony means!


Okay, but it's still kind of funny that a hundred years after the start of the First World War it looks like we might be on the verge of starting part three. It's funny in a sad way.
2014-04-23 02:28:19 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: AngryDragon: "Heil Merkel" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Your German court summons is in the mail.


Let's say I'm in Moscow.  They can come get me.
2014-04-23 02:26:05 PM
1 votes:
If Germany, the U.S., and Russia are all involved in a war, the odd man out historically doesn't fare too well.
2014-04-23 02:24:13 PM
1 votes:
Somebody's gonna make a hell of a board game out of this someday.
2014-04-23 02:11:50 PM
1 votes:
This thread needs moar tank porn.

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2014-04-23 02:09:39 PM
1 votes:

Rent Party: Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.


Operation Barbarossa: 22 June 1941
Pearl Harbor: 7 December 1941

What the hell are you babbling about?
2014-04-23 02:07:30 PM
1 votes:

Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.


uhhhhh
Germany invades Russia, June 1941.
Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, Dec 1941
2014-04-23 02:04:40 PM
1 votes:
And the Faroe Islands will win after the dust settles, just because the rest of Europe will forget they're there.
2014-04-23 02:00:21 PM
1 votes:
please Mr Burns, stop saying you are afraid of us.

WWIII here we come!
thanks, Putin-dude.


guess that means conscription for your already exhausted American army, eh?
2014-04-23 01:52:00 PM
1 votes:

Speaker2Animals: Probably not a good idea, modmins, to greenlight a 9-day-old story about a situation that changes from day to day.


There are no modmins, there is only DJ 3000. It's the only way this clusterfark of a site makes sense
2014-04-23 12:10:40 PM
1 votes:
FFS, France and Germany are talking about joining forces and mobilizing against Russia.
And so it begins.
2014-04-23 10:44:27 AM
1 votes:
Deutschland uber alles!!
2014-04-23 10:38:36 AM
1 votes:
well, crap.
2014-04-23 10:13:21 AM
1 votes:

bdub77: I gotta be honest, I really did Nazi that coming.


Oh god. I laughed at that. I need more coffee
 
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