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(The Local)   Germany warns of war in Europe. This is not a repeat from 1938   (thelocal.de) divider line 184
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2014-04-23 05:36:13 PM  
Because the last time the Germans visited Russia, it went so well for them.

www.davidwarnerfilm.co.uk
 
2014-04-23 05:37:13 PM  
Seraphym:
The GAU-8 30mm cannon also rains explosive death at 70 shells per second that can kill a tank with a half-second burst as well, and it carries 1,350 rounds of that.

This aircraft is a ravenous tank-eater.

/what a beauty


During the 1st Gulf War, the air wing attached to my carrier was one of the last that had separate squadrons for air superiority and close air support (read that as "F-14 and A-6 squadrons") rather than F-18's for everything.   I could always tell who was flying what simply because the F-14 guys were hating it as there was nothing for them to kill, while the A-6 guys were having the time of their life blowing up every damn thing they could see.

Close air support is the shiat.
 
2014-04-23 05:38:53 PM  

anuran: MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
[static4.businessinsider.com image 850x637]
I love this image.

I see your slow flying artillery platform and raise you this:

[gamingtrend.com image 850x478]

Lots of stuff that works well against an undersupplied, poorly trained Iraqi Army or guerillas with small arms isn't nearly as effective when you have to fight a country with an economy and modern equipment.


Really, you're bringing air dominance fighters into this discussion?

Okay, fine, these are flying screen for the A-10s.  No, you can't see them on radar... at all.

images.dailytech.com

Your Su-33s don't get within 40 miles of them.  The A-10s still get their dinner.
 
2014-04-23 05:49:10 PM  

Seraphym: Marmilman: Also, for anyone who cares, Russian backed terrorist mayor of Slavyansk has kidnapped an American Journalist (Simon Ostrovsky of Vice News) and is currently holding him hostage. farking outrageous.

Why, what an excellent opportunity for Delta to perform a little field exercise...  thanks for the just cause, insurgent pieces of shiat.

But remember, we should listen to the majority 18% in Donetsk who want to secede and join Russia, they speak for all the people and they're all reasonable statesmen who just need to be heard.  Those people nobody recognizes who came to help?  Long-lost relatives, who all shop at the same outfitter.


I really, really wish we would do that.
 
2014-04-23 05:53:21 PM  

MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
[static4.businessinsider.com image 850x637]
I love this image.


I see your warthog and raise you this:
deathstarpr.com
 
2014-04-23 05:54:32 PM  

anuran: Lots of stuff that works well against an undersupplied, poorly trained Iraqi Army or guerillas with small arms isn't nearly as effective when you have to fight a country with an economy and modern equipment


Too bad that country couldn't keep its troops protected from air attack when it invaded a nation with one squadron of warplanes and generally performed quite poorly in that conflict.

Russian pilots generally get 30-40% of the flight hours of their USAF counterparts on an annual basis.  If it were to ever come to blows, I think 'that stuff' would work pretty much the same way it did against Iraq.
 
2014-04-23 05:55:03 PM  

spawn73: Paulus was a farking coward, he should just have done it when the relief army came close. Yet whilst he was fine with sacrificing houndreds of thousands of German soldiers lives, he himself surrendered after being promoted to Field Marshall, despite the clear expectation was that he was to commit suicide.


A Field Marshall does not kill himself with his nail clippers.

Paulus surrendering was a giant upraised middle finger directed at Hitler.

That potential breakout was never realistic. 6th Army didn't have the fuel or the ammunition to make it, and their troops were well past the point of being capable of walking out. The ring was madness fueled by Hitler's megalomania and refusal to abandon Stalingrad. It was never a viable defense plan.
 
2014-04-23 05:56:07 PM  
The Germans could just "Putsch" them back.
 
2014-04-23 06:07:23 PM  

Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.


Your timeline is all fooked up too, genius.

Pearl Harbor - Dec 7, 1941
Barbarossa - June 22, 1941

Pearl was attacked five and a half months after the Germans attacked Russia. In fact, The Moscow counteroffensive was in full swing driving the Germans back when Pearl was attacked.
 
2014-04-23 06:09:36 PM  

Travis_Bickle: Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.

Your timeline is all fooked up too, genius.


Yes.  Yes it was.

You may note that I have accepted the beatings with courtesy and aplomb.

I should be commended for that.
 
2014-04-23 06:40:58 PM  

This text is now purple: spawn73: Paulus was a farking coward, he should just have done it when the relief army came close. Yet whilst he was fine with sacrificing houndreds of thousands of German soldiers lives, he himself surrendered after being promoted to Field Marshall, despite the clear expectation was that he was to commit suicide.

A Field Marshall does not kill himself with his nail clippers.

Paulus surrendering was a giant upraised middle finger directed at Hitler.

That potential breakout was never realistic. 6th Army didn't have the fuel or the ammunition to make it, and their troops were well past the point of being capable of walking out. The ring was madness fueled by Hitler's megalomania and refusal to abandon Stalingrad. It was never a viable defense plan.


Please don't put up any strawmen.

I'm not sure either of us are really aware of whether Hoth's relief would have worked. Regardless of what your claims is, it'll just be doubling down on your own lack of historical knowledge, or just speculation.
 
2014-04-23 06:41:29 PM  

Seraphym: MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
[static4.businessinsider.com image 850x637]
I love this image.

While badass to be sure, the engineer in me loves this one:

[www.temporalnexus.net image 485x430]

Take a look at that "Maximum Threat Anti-Armor Configuration."  Those are AGM-65 Mavericks, -K or -Ls... 17 of them.   Each one can defeat a tank by itself.
The GAU-8 30mm cannon also rains explosive death at 70 shells per second that can kill a tank with a half-second burst as well, and it carries 1,350 rounds of that.

This aircraft is a ravenous tank-eater.

/what a beauty


Have you ever read about all of the innovations built into the aircraft's systems?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Republic_A-10_Thunderbolt_II# De sign

"Overview" and "Durability." Every-other sentence is "holy shiat, what a good idea." The people behind this thing were farking geniuses.
 
2014-04-23 06:42:23 PM  

genepool lifeboat: There's too many of us


Gene pool lifeboat,
1. I've done my duty to keep the population under control.
2. Have you seen how gorgeous some Ukrainian women are? Can we keep them for use in the gene pool?
 
2014-04-23 06:51:17 PM  
Did you guys read the same article as I? There's nothing in there that says anything about Germany going to war or threatening war or anything close. It just says that there might be a war between the Ukraine and Russia and the situation is forcing Europe to implement (economic) sanctions against Russia.
 
2014-04-23 06:54:10 PM  

svanmeter: ThrobblefootSpectre: It's all just talk until some emo thug from Australia starts gaining popularity with the socialist workers unions.

Australia? You are either very dumb or you are an auto-correct victim.

/I get your point though


There are a whole bunch o' new folks on Fark today.
 
2014-04-23 06:57:23 PM  

namegoeshere: svanmeter: ThrobblefootSpectre: It's all just talk until some emo thug from Australia starts gaining popularity with the socialist workers unions.

Australia? You are either very dumb or you are an auto-correct victim.

/I get your point though

There are a whole bunch o' new folks on Fark today.


Maybe some of us have sobered up. Nah.
 
2014-04-23 06:58:22 PM  

Rent Party: Travis_Bickle: Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.

Your timeline is all fooked up too, genius.

Yes.  Yes it was.

You may note that I have accepted the beatings with courtesy and aplomb.

I should be commended for that.


Really, you have been a good sport today. You deserve a cookie. I made you one, but Zombie Hitler ate it. Sorry.

Good job anyway. It's rare here, and nice. : )
 
2014-04-23 07:03:53 PM  
namegoeshere:

I should be commended for that.

Really, you have been a good sport today. You deserve a cookie. I made you one, but Zombie Hitler ate it. Sorry.

Good job anyway. It's rare here, and nice. : )


The facts are pretty farkin' brutal, man.
 
2014-04-23 07:06:19 PM  

anuran: MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
[static4.businessinsider.com image 850x637]
I love this image.

I see your slow flying artillery platform and raise you this:

[gamingtrend.com image 850x478]

Lots of stuff that works well against an undersupplied, poorly trained Iraqi Army or guerillas with small arms isn't nearly as effective when you have to fight a country with an economy and modern equipment.


I think a lot of people might think this upcoming war with Russia will be like their great-grandfather's or grandfather's war in WWII.

The indications are to the contrary.

b68389.medialib.glogster.com

MOAB is a joke.

What I'm afraid of is someone calling Washington DC and re-enacting Sophie's Choice by demanding the POTUS choose which US city gets Tsar Bomba'ed.
 
2014-04-23 07:12:14 PM  
You know that a modern MIRV equipped ICBM can do more overall damage than one bomber with Tsar on it, right?

Beyond a certain yield, the summative effects of an MIRV are more than a single high yield bomb.
 
2014-04-23 07:22:55 PM  

hardinparamedic: You know that a modern MIRV equipped ICBM can do more overall damage than one bomber with Tsar on it, right?

Beyond a certain yield, the summative effects of an MIRV are more than a single high yield bomb.


All I know is these weapons exist to be used. And since I live in the part of the world with a very small population density, most of the world would rather those weapons be used on me and mine rather than on them and theirs in Europe, Russia and Asia.

The delivery system really isn't important.

An interesting threat the US was really worried about was a massive tsunami created by an underwater nuclear explosion outside of NYC or some other major US city.  I suppose that threat has not diminished.
 
2014-04-23 09:45:43 PM  
Tanks are a waste in modern warfare. Just targets.
 
2014-04-23 10:06:39 PM  

Methadone Girls: bdub77: I gotta be honest, I really did Nazi that coming.

Oh god. I laughed at that. I need more coffee


You must be new... to breathing.

They better hope nothing happens in the next two years, otherwise they are in trouble.
 
2014-04-23 11:34:01 PM  

Deep Contact: Tanks are a waste in modern warfare. Just targets.


that your expert opinion there, Otacon?
 
2014-04-23 11:55:33 PM  

The Anti-Laura: Somebody's gonna make a hell of a board game out of this someday.


I don't have the space to set up my old one; the farkin' map is 40 square feet.

http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2802/war-in-europe

And don't believe the bit about 360 minute playing time....
 
2014-04-24 12:03:47 AM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: Um. Am I the only one remembering that the KGB sent Putin to Krautland and he loved it? (IIRC still speaks Germany.)
[justice4germans.files.wordpress.com image 850x480]


Y'have to admire Mr Putin's skills as a statesman..
 Expertly twerking old wounds into fresh blood.

Its moves like this that put Obama & co on the ropes.
 
2014-04-24 06:01:42 AM  

MooseBayou: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

They still bear a seething hate for one another.  I know this from a Russian girl I worked with a couple years ago, but it's not like it's a secret.

It's almost as bad as Kentucky and Duke.


They hate each other so much, that a few years ago prominent German defense experts advocated for inviting Russian to join NATO.
 
2014-04-24 06:05:56 AM  

hardinparamedic: Deep Contact: Tanks are a waste in modern warfare. Just targets.

that your expert opinion there, Otacon?


I guess they work great against an unarmed force.
 
2014-04-24 06:16:50 AM  

flynn80:
Of course the Russian people don't want to invade Europe and are afraid of NATO invading them.  Both sides leaders lie to their people to justify massive military spending.

Most NATO countries spend between 1-2% of GDP on their military. They would probably spend more without NATO or a similar defense treaty.
 
2014-04-24 06:19:20 AM  

JSTACAT: Fark like a Barsoomian: Um. Am I the only one remembering that the KGB sent Putin to Krautland and he loved it? (IIRC still speaks Germany.)
[justice4germans.files.wordpress.com image 850x480]

Y'have to admire Mr Putin's skills as a statesman..
 Expertly twerking old wounds into fresh blood.


...isolating Russia in international politics, costing his country billions in sanctions...

Your admiration for the fascist is noted.
 
2014-04-24 06:25:33 AM  

Dansker: flynn80:
Of course the Russian people don't want to invade Europe and are afraid of NATO invading them.  Both sides leaders lie to their people to justify massive military spending.
Most NATO countries spend between 1-2% of GDP on their military. They would probably spend more without NATO or a similar defense treaty.


... and NATO military spending as a percentage of gdp has been decreasing for decades: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS
 
2014-04-24 03:50:56 PM  

Deep Contact: I guess they work great against an unarmed force.


Real life does not work like Call of Black Honor: Modern Battlefield 1942, dude.
 
2014-04-24 09:49:52 PM  

Dansker: JSTACAT: Fark like a Barsoomian: Um. Am I the only one remembering that the KGB sent Putin to Krautland and he loved it? (IIRC still speaks Germany.)
[justice4germans.files.wordpress.com image 850x480]

Y'have to admire Mr Putin's skills as a statesman..
 Expertly twerking old wounds into fresh blood.

...isolating Russia in international politics, costing his country billions in sanctions...

Your admiration for the fascist is noted.


Three words [bolded] that you improperly apply.

Isolating? Nothing has changed in that regard, Russia has always experienced distrust, discrimination, and fear, from the west; that move has no power.

costing? Russia is comparatively independent of the world economy, can become self sufficient almost instantly. THIS buggers the hell out of Brussels and WDC.
If this ends up costing anyone it will be the West.

Admiration? Ha! I can appreciate talent in an opponent, especially if i think The US citizenry should hire him as our next President.
Why would i want that? Because most of America needs the discipline, and moral direction.
So far, Mr. Putin has shown himself to be courtly, well educated, and delivers his punches with a minimum of flailing about.

What He said to the Germans is true, that is why it stings the fark out of the West.

I am a bit disappointed there isn't anyone on the west's side that can match wits with him.
This lack of ability on the west's part is mostly due to the fact that the west is holding an untenable position, and has ulterior imperialist motives.
In fact, they spend most of their time spying and lying.
It is obvious to everyone else that the Emperor has no clothes!

If the world were polled;
they could express their unanimous, universal disrespect, and hatred for the US/UN/EU/NATO and their plans to dominate the entire planet with their one world government.

The world would be polled if H. Sapiens had an actual civilisation.
However, their holiest places are the scene of constant desecration, destruction, military strife and murder.
So, it looks like they will end up flinging feces and ripping each others genitalia and faces off; then burn whats left.

See how one man has got the world corporation by the balls?
img.fark.net
See Mr. Obama gazing longingly at his Russian guard?
 
2014-04-24 10:14:23 PM  

JSTACAT: their plans to dominate the entire planet with their one world government.


This is why the children laugh at you, Ralph.
 
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