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2014-04-23 02:18:28 PM  

dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

2, They failed to keep dozens of Soviet Army divisions pinned in the Far East.  By not going to war with the Soviet Union, and by not *ACTING* like they were going to, they let the Soviets move those divisions across the largest country in the World by rail in order to counter the Wehrmacht.


Well.... while those did play a role in their ultimate downfall on the eastern front, there's a lot to be said about their fuel consumption. They failed to take the rich oil fields in the south, thus their war machine halted outside of moscow, unable to keep up with the momentum of  the blitz, not to mention that the weather was causing them to burn twice as much fuel than expected. The pause that was created was a combinationof various factors, some more than others. In terms of the US entry into the war and its effects on the Eastern Front, they were not immediate enough as the the true Western Front was opened until very late in the war. Though to be fair, once it was, their fate was sealed.
 
2014-04-23 02:18:38 PM  
I thought drone warfare has made tanks obsolete, but I don't really know
 
2014-04-23 02:19:16 PM  
 
2014-04-23 02:20:41 PM  

Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.


It's not farked up.

Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June of 1941, several months *PRIOR* to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa
 
2014-04-23 02:22:11 PM  
There's too many of us
 
2014-04-23 02:22:43 PM  

dittybopper: Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.

It's not farked up.

Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June of 1941, several months *PRIOR* to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa


Yes.  I have acknowledged my blathering, and am now moving on.
 
2014-04-23 02:24:13 PM  
Somebody's gonna make a hell of a board game out of this someday.
 
2014-04-23 02:25:14 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Kind of ironic this is happening about 100 years after the outbreak of WW1.


The whole small seemingly bullshiat incident drawing every great European power into war. Except this time if it goes down every European power is on the same side against Russia.
 
2014-04-23 02:25:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'


They still bear a seething hate for one another.  I know this from a Russian girl I worked with a couple years ago, but it's not like it's a secret.

It's almost as bad as Kentucky and Duke.
 
2014-04-23 02:26:05 PM  
If Germany, the U.S., and Russia are all involved in a war, the odd man out historically doesn't fare too well.
 
2014-04-23 02:27:13 PM  

Amish Tech Support: [img.fark.net image 500x692]


Where is this from?
 
2014-04-23 02:27:22 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Kind of ironic this is happening about 100 years after the outbreak of WW1.


That's not what Irony means!
 
2014-04-23 02:28:06 PM  

dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

2, They failed to keep dozens of Soviet Army divisions pinned in the Far East.  By not going to war with the Soviet Union, and by not *ACTING* like they were going to, they let the Soviets move those divisions across the largest country in the World by rail in order to counter the Wehrmacht.


Meth.  It's a helluva drug.
www.thefix.com
 
2014-04-23 02:28:19 PM  

hardinparamedic: AngryDragon: "Heil Merkel" just doesn't have the same ring to it.

Your German court summons is in the mail.


Let's say I'm in Moscow.  They can come get me.
 
2014-04-23 02:32:09 PM  

DocPeabody: Well.... while those did play a role in their ultimate downfall on the eastern front, there's a lot to be said about their fuel consumption. They failed to take the rich oil fields in the south, thus their war machine halted outside of moscow, unable to keep up with the momentum of  the blitz, not to mention that the weather was causing them to burn twice as much fuel than expected. The pause that was created was a combinationof various factors, some more than others. In terms of the US entry into the war and its effects on the Eastern Front, they were not immediate enough as the the true Western Front was opened until very late in the war. Though to be fair, once it was, their fate was sealed.


Even if they had taken the oil fields, the Germans couldn't compete with Soviet manpower backed up in large degree with US economic might.

Did you know that the USA, all by itself, had a higher GDP than all of the Axis nations *COMBINED*?

Of the combatants in WWII, the US accounted for nearly 45% of the combined GDP of the Allies and Axis, *COMBINED*, in 1942.  By 1944, it had risen to 47%.

Think about that for a moment.  Nearly half of the economic output of every major combatant on all sides was from the US.

Without the US, the Axis would have had a 50% economic advantage over a combined UK/USSR alliance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II
 
2014-04-23 02:32:12 PM  

xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.


What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.
 
2014-04-23 02:32:21 PM  

RobertBruce: Is Biden pulling strings? I thought Crimea was lost and we could only hope the Russians go no further.  Now Biden says we will never recognize the annexation.


De jure it's lost. De facto we will never recognize the annexation
 
2014-04-23 02:32:33 PM  
I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
static4.businessinsider.com
I love this image.
 
2014-04-23 02:34:26 PM  
The Germans only attacked Hawaii after the murder of Ferdinand the mule.
 
2014-04-23 02:36:14 PM  

LewDux: RobertBruce: Is Biden pulling strings? I thought Crimea was lost and we could only hope the Russians go no further.  Now Biden says we will never recognize the annexation.

De jure it's lost. De facto we will never recognize the annexation


Biden says.  Can you imagine that buffoon as POTUS?  He's a laughing stock.
 
2014-04-23 02:36:58 PM  
Um. Am I the only one remembering that the KGB sent Putin to Krautland and he loved it? (IIRC still speaks Germany.)
justice4germans.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-04-23 02:37:06 PM  

dittybopper: They failed to keep dozens of Soviet Army divisions pinned in the Far East.  By not going to war with the Soviet Union, and by not *ACTING* like they were going to, they let the Soviets move those divisions across the largest country in the World by rail in order to counter the Wehrmacht.


Well, the IJA had just had their asses handed to them at a couple of places called Lake Khasan and Khalkin Gol, so you can hardly blame the Japanese government for sticking to its neutrality pact with the USSR.
 
2014-04-23 02:37:40 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: speaks Germany


what the fark
 
2014-04-23 02:37:41 PM  

bdub77: I gotta be honest, I really did Nazi that coming.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-23 02:40:20 PM  

Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.


He meant Russian military-industrial complex. Obviously
 
2014-04-23 02:41:22 PM  

Rent Party: Yes.  I have acknowledged my blathering, and am now moving on.


Sorry, I missed that.
 
2014-04-23 02:41:56 PM  

dittybopper: DocPeabody: Well.... while those did play a role in their ultimate downfall on the eastern front, there's a lot to be said about their fuel consumption. They failed to take the rich oil fields in the south, thus their war machine halted outside of moscow, unable to keep up with the momentum of  the blitz, not to mention that the weather was causing them to burn twice as much fuel than expected. The pause that was created was a combinationof various factors, some more than others. In terms of the US entry into the war and its effects on the Eastern Front, they were not immediate enough as the the true Western Front was opened until very late in the war. Though to be fair, once it was, their fate was sealed.

Even if they had taken the oil fields, the Germans couldn't compete with Soviet manpower backed up in large degree with US economic might.

Did you know that the USA, all by itself, had a higher GDP than all of the Axis nations *COMBINED*?

Of the combatants in WWII, the US accounted for nearly 45% of the combined GDP of the Allies and Axis, *COMBINED*, in 1942.  By 1944, it had risen to 47%.

Think about that for a moment.  Nearly half of the economic output of every major combatant on all sides was from the US.

Without the US, the Axis would have had a 50% economic advantage over a combined UK/USSR alliance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II


Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with that point either, though manpower doesn't always mean winner. But yes, the US could essentially out produce anyone of the time. We already had won one of the most important aspects of war, the logistics war. BUT if the Germans had successfully secured the oil fields, we might have seen a much different result on the Eastern Front.

Like I said, Germany's failure in the war was the perfect storm for loosing. So many things went wrong so fast that their fate was pretty much sealed early in the war. Sadly, that didn't stop them from fighting it.

/Funny how times change and stay the same
 
2014-04-23 02:42:28 PM  
Also, for anyone who cares, Russian backed terrorist mayor of Slavyansk has kidnapped an American Journalist (Simon Ostrovsky of Vice News) and is currently holding him hostage. farking outrageous.
 
2014-04-23 02:47:33 PM  

This text is now purple: hardinparamedic: They also didn't hold their ground and re-enforce the gains they had made before the onset of winter. Had Hitler not been kill-hungry and tried to fight during the Russian Winter, held his ground and then broke out during the next spring, things might have been different.

In 1941 maybe. In 1942, Germany was just trying to hold on in Stalingrad but ran out of supplies. The USSR eventually completed the encirclement and they were screwed.


They meant to be encircled. It was a previous successful strategy as opposed to the tactical withdrawal.

The millitary problem for USSR would be that they would have to such a pocket to deal with.

In 1941 that tactic worked out brilliantly for the Germans, in 1942 the red air force were efficient enough to hamper supplies being delivered, and the size of the pocket was much larger.

---

They should have broken out when it was clear that it wasn't sustainable.
 
2014-04-23 02:48:30 PM  

LewDux: Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.

He meant Russian military-industrial complex. Obviously


I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. The context of the second sentence of his post indicates that he was not referring to the Russian military industrial complex -- unless he is Russian himself (which he isn't).
 
2014-04-23 02:49:01 PM  
Charge of the Light Armored Brigade

/since all this Crimea crap was already done 150 years ago
//maybe do it again October 25th
 
2014-04-23 02:51:20 PM  
It's all just talk until some emo thug from Australia starts gaining popularity with the socialist workers unions.
 
2014-04-23 02:52:35 PM  

SuperChuck: Rent Party: dittybopper: MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'

Actually, it did work out well for them.  Until their allies the Japanese screwed them over in two distinct ways:

1. They attacked the United States, which meant that the US wasn't just a bystander anymore.  This meant billions of aid (in today's dollars) to the Soviet Union, without which they couldn't have fought effectively against the Germans.  It would have been a reprise of the Eastern Front of WWI, when the Russians had to sue for peace.

Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.    The Japanese and the Russians held a strict neutrality pact for the vast majority of the war.  Russia broke it after Germany surrendered.

uhhhhh
Germany invades Russia, June 1941.
Japan attacks Pearl Harbor, Dec 1941



Some folks experience time in forward, some in reverse.  Don't be so picky.
 
2014-04-23 02:52:58 PM  
 "It cannot be, seven decades after the end of the second world war and 25 years after the end of the cold war, that we start changing borders based on ethic, linguistic or religious factors."

Au contraire! This is exactly why borders should be changed. The middle east is so farked right now because the colonists more than 100 years ago drew arbitrary lines in the sand without such regard.
 
2014-04-23 02:54:09 PM  

Richard C Stanford: Kind of ironic this is happening about 100 years after the outbreak of WW1.


Let's just hope all the Archdukes stay out of sight for a while.
 
2014-04-23 02:55:38 PM  

INeedAName: Richard C Stanford: Kind of ironic this is happening about 100 years after the outbreak of WW1.

That's not what Irony means!


Okay, but it's still kind of funny that a hundred years after the start of the First World War it looks like we might be on the verge of starting part three. It's funny in a sad way.
 
2014-04-23 02:56:39 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Rent Party: Your timeline is all fooked up.

Germany didn't invade Russia until nine months after Pearl Harbor.

Operation Barbarossa: 22 June 1941
Pearl Harbor: 7 December 1941

What the hell are you babbling about?


Let him go.
He's on a roll...
 
2014-04-23 02:58:31 PM  

Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.



Putin's audience is the Russian populace.  The US/European response has been exactly what he wanted all along, I'm pretty sure.
 
2014-04-23 03:00:57 PM  

Marmilman: LewDux: Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.

He meant Russian military-industrial complex. Obviously

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. The context of the second sentence of his post indicates that he was not referring to the Russian military industrial complex -- unless he is Russian himself (which he isn't).


But that would mean that e DNRTFA, which I find extremely hard to believe
 
2014-04-23 03:01:31 PM  

Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.


There has been some talk about the west messing around in Ukraine prior to the presidents ouster. So it is possible that this situation was accelerated by the US and Western allies sowing the seeds of rebellion in yet another country to place a pro-western  government in charge.

It has happened before and is generally the reason we get involved in armed conflicts these days. That isn't to say the former President of Ukraine wasn't a criminal but there seems to be a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes
 
2014-04-23 03:04:57 PM  

MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
[static4.businessinsider.com image 850x637]
I love this image.


I find it hard to believe there are any portions of that plane you can't step on or stomp on or hit with a hammer at will...
 
2014-04-23 03:05:09 PM  

hardinparamedic: Arkanaut: Ooh, the Germans are mad. I'm so scared! Ooh, the Germans! Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me! Don't let the Germans come after me! Oh no, the Germans are coming after me! They're so big and strong!

FEED ME RUSSIANS!


If there's one thing history has taught us, it is that when Germany there is going to be a war, there is definitely going to be a war.
 
2014-04-23 03:07:17 PM  
He's going to start WW3. And it's going to end very, very badly. I get the impression of Putin that MAD doesn't really phase him. If he can't have what he wants, no one can.

I really should move away from the DC/Annapolis area...
 
2014-04-23 03:08:59 PM  

kindms: Marmilman: xanadian: The military-industrial complex has to turn a profit, subby.  Think of all the jobs in weapons factories and in the military that would be lost if we didn't have a war.

What a crock of shiat post. This potential conflict has nothing to do with the U.S. military industrial complex and everything to do with Putin behaving like a schoolyard bully on the world stage.

There has been some talk about the west messing around in Ukraine prior to the presidents ouster. So it is possible that this situation was accelerated by the US and Western allies sowing the seeds of rebellion in yet another country to place a pro-western  government in charge.

It has happened before and is generally the reason we get involved in armed conflicts these days. That isn't to say the former President of Ukraine wasn't a criminal but there seems to be a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes


My understanding was that the people wanted closer ties to the rest of Europe, the president then pushed a bunch of laws through nixing that and tying them more closely with Russia, and people got pissed.

While I wouldn't be shocked if there was some under the table stuff, it seemed like the people were pretty clear in what they wanted, and then got screwed.
 
2014-04-23 03:11:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: Arkanaut: Ooh, the Germans are mad. I'm so scared! Ooh, the Germans! Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me! Don't let the Germans come after me! Oh no, the Germans are coming after me! They're so big and strong!

FEED ME RUSSIANS!

[greekindependentnews.net image 660x445]

[www.worldwide-military.com image 850x567]


JG 73 "Steinhoff" for great justice! Spent a cold week there some years ago. But seriously, an Eurofighter is too expensive to risk.
 
2014-04-23 03:11:19 PM  

LoneDoggie: MooseBayou: I see your tanks, and I raise you one warthog
[static4.businessinsider.com image 850x637]
I love this image.

I find it hard to believe there are any portions of that plane you can't step on or stomp on or hit with a hammer at will...


Those parts are only optional anyway.

www.aircraftresourcecenter.com

/Hotter than the GAU-8 after firing for 1 second
 
2014-04-23 03:13:26 PM  

SurlyNerd: hardinparamedic: Arkanaut: Ooh, the Germans are mad. I'm so scared! Ooh, the Germans! Uh oh, the Germans are going to get me! Don't let the Germans come after me! Oh no, the Germans are coming after me! They're so big and strong!

FEED ME RUSSIANS!

[greekindependentnews.net image 660x445]

[www.worldwide-military.com image 850x567]

JG 73 "Steinhoff" for great justice! Spent a cold week there some years ago. But seriously, an Eurofighter is too expensive to risk.


So it's essentially the European F-22?
 
2014-04-23 03:14:41 PM  

dittybopper: Rent Party: Yes.  I have acknowledged my blathering, and am now moving on.

Sorry, I missed that.


It's OK.   I can't complain, I'm the one that screwed it up.
 
2014-04-23 03:14:45 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: hardinparamedic: This thread needs moar tank porn.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x637]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x524]
[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]

Wait - do tanks use sealed beam headlights?


Most tanks in NATO countries have them because, unlike in the US, they are designed to be able to be moved under their own power on highways and interstates in that country. (US and most Russian tanks are intended to be moved to their disembarkation point by sea, air or rail, rather than drive there).
 
2014-04-23 03:16:37 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: As I recall, getting in a fight with Russia didn't work out so well for Germany last time

/just sayin'


Only beacuse American was providing material support to Russia in the form of trucks, food, equipment, etc. as well as America (as well as others) invading Occupied France and North Africa.
 
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