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(International Business Times)   Today is St George's Day in England, kind of like President's Day if George Washington was a Turkish dragon slayer who never actually went to the United States   (ibtimes.co.uk) divider line 43
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2014-04-23 08:45:49 AM
A poll by think tank British Future last year found only 40% of people knew that St George's Day was on 23 April, compared to 71% who knew when America's Independence Day was.

Well, not everyone has forgotten.

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2014-04-23 10:13:49 AM
I heard George Washington once slew a dragon by throwing a cherry tree across the Delaware River.
 
2014-04-23 10:15:06 AM
He wasn't Turkish, ffs. If he was born in 270ad, and the Seljuk Turks first made it to Anatolia around the 11th century, that gives him over 700 years before the area was ruled by Turks.

Every bloody year we have a deluge of people thinking they're being clever by pointing out he's Turkish. Funnily enough, considering later Eastern Roman religious thought, what they are in fact doing is being iconoclastic. They think St. George is thought of as a proud, genetically pure Englishman by racist natives, so they seek to destroy that icon.

It's the same for St. Patrick, yes we know he wasn't Irish, and didn't really chase the snakes out of Ireland. Enough already.
 
2014-04-23 10:18:21 AM
Perhaps they can re-enact the whole St. George thing with rats (thousands of them...) taking the place of the dragon.

Anyway, cheerio chaps!
 
2014-04-23 10:19:50 AM
The first time my husband deployed to the Middle East, I put a St George medal on with his dog tags.  We aren't Catholic but it couldn't hurt.  He came home in one piece (mostly).

This hangs in our bedroom.

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2014-04-23 10:24:41 AM
That is a seriously weak-sauce dragon he's killing in the article artwork.
 
2014-04-23 10:24:51 AM

Slaxl: They think St. George is thought of as a proud, genetically pure Englishman by racist natives, so they seek to destroy that icon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_Your_Dragon

All we ever needed to know about "Saint" George but were too terrified to ask.
 
2014-04-23 10:27:08 AM
Why does he kill komodo dragons?  I thought they were extinct?  Thank you?
 
2014-04-23 10:27:54 AM

Arkanaut: I heard George Washington once slew a dragon by throwing a cherry tree across the Delaware River.


It was a lion. He knocked over a cherry tree by throwing a lion at it.

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2014-04-23 10:31:02 AM
The guy was so hardcore he resurrected four times while being tortured to death before dying on the fifth time.

That is why he was sainted.
 
2014-04-23 10:35:51 AM
At least it isn't Boxing Day  o_O, a holiday of gift returns...
 
2014-04-23 10:38:44 AM
A poll by think tank British Future last year found only 40% of people knew that St George's Day was on 23 April, compared to 71% who knew when America's Independence Day was

this is not because we are dumb ( though a fair few are ) but because we just simply don't give a shiat.
 
2014-04-23 10:40:35 AM

Zenith: A poll by think tank British Future last year found only 40% of people knew that St George's Day was on 23 April, compared to 71% who knew when America's Independence Day was

this is not because we are dumb ( though a fair few are ) but because we just simply don't give a shiat.


We need a film where aliens invade, but humans fight back on St. George's day. Then everyone would know when it was!
 
2014-04-23 10:42:32 AM

Slaxl: He wasn't Turkish, ffs. If he was born in 270ad, and the Seljuk Turks first made it to Anatolia around the 11th century, that gives him over 700 years before the area was ruled by Turks.

Every bloody year we have a deluge of people thinking they're being clever by pointing out he's Turkish. Funnily enough, considering later Eastern Roman religious thought, what they are in fact doing is being iconoclastic. They think St. George is thought of as a proud, genetically pure Englishman by racist natives, so they seek to destroy that icon.

It's the same for St. Patrick, yes we know he wasn't Irish, and didn't really chase the snakes out of Ireland. Enough already.


I'd almost call it a counter-crusade, personally.  People get so farking angry that the "persecutors" have icons that they decide to try and tear them down, never realizing that there may be genuinely good people who like said icons too.   As theoretically and theologically impossible as it may be, they want Atheism to be put on the same footing as other religions, and not allow anything to interfere with their 1st Amendment rights therein.

It's just petty stupidity to me.  Religions exist, and the true celebration of them is not done to stick it to those who don't believe in it.  As long as people don't want to face up to their own insecurities, it'll keep being this stupid.
 
2014-04-23 10:42:57 AM
Ok, so I celebrate today with some fish and chips.  I thought British ate that every day, but oh, well.  Cheerio, chaps!
 
2014-04-23 10:43:47 AM

Slaxl: Zenith: A poll by think tank British Future last year found only 40% of people knew that St George's Day was on 23 April, compared to 71% who knew when America's Independence Day was

this is not because we are dumb ( though a fair few are ) but because we just simply don't give a shiat.

We need a film where aliens invade, but humans fight back on St. George's day. Then everyone would know when it was!


I want Godzilla in it or even better a remake/mashup with Gorgo trashing central London (would settle for Docklands)
 
2014-04-23 10:46:08 AM

elgrancerdo: Ok, so I celebrate today with some fish and chips.  I thought British ate that every day, but oh, well.  Cheerio, chaps!


fish n chips are a mix of Belgian and Portugeuse cuisines and I'm cool with that.
 
2014-04-23 10:47:12 AM

MBooda: Arkanaut: I heard George Washington once slew a dragon by throwing a cherry tree across the Delaware River.

It was a lion. He knocked over a cherry tree by throwing a lion at it.

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Wow, the rare George of the Jungle reference on Fark!  Nice!
 
2014-04-23 10:47:49 AM
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2014-04-23 10:57:53 AM

Slaxl: Zenith: A poll by think tank British Future last year found only 40% of people knew that St George's Day was on 23 April, compared to 71% who knew when America's Independence Day was

this is not because we are dumb ( though a fair few are ) but because we just simply don't give a shiat.

We need a film where aliens invade, but humans fight back on St. George's day. Then everyone would know when it was!


"We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Administrative Professional's Day!


/damn, skunked again
 
2014-04-23 11:08:11 AM
Who gives a fark? In the UK it's an excuse to wear a silly costume and go to the pub, or skip the costume and just go to the pub.
 
2014-04-23 11:08:58 AM
Wait, I thought Jesus fought the dragon. Did he lie to me?

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2014-04-23 11:10:12 AM

patrick767: Who gives a fark? In the UK it's an excuse to wear a silly costume and go to the pub, or skip the costume and just go to the pub.


So <insert any day of week> then?
 
2014-04-23 11:13:00 AM
Well then.

Tea and toast, anyone?
 
2014-04-23 11:14:54 AM

FriarReb98: Religions exist, and the true celebration of them is not done to stick it to those who don't believe in it.


My sky-faerie can kick you sky-faeries derrière, so there!

The fact that religion persists is abhorrent. It's a social disease which should be treated as such. Preventing the initial indoctrination is the correct approach.

Boo-hoo if this upsets the delusionals.  Because the sooner we stop interpreting the real world through the rantings of madmen, and abdicating personal responsibility in favour of magical beings, the better for everyone concerned.

I say, good on 'em.
 
2014-04-23 11:29:05 AM
You know who else never went to America?
 
2014-04-23 11:32:12 AM

Arkanaut: I heard George Washington once slew a dragon by throwing a cherry tree across the Delaware River.


The force of the collision was so hard that it sent the dragon flying for miles. The impact crater was so massive that we call it the Grand Canyon
 
2014-04-23 11:34:50 AM
I'm going to St. George Island FL in a couple weeks.  Does that count?
 
2014-04-23 11:47:04 AM
George Washington had his own set of problems...

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2014-04-23 11:51:05 AM
Happy St. George's Day, to all my English friends!

Enjoy a pint on me, y'all!

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2014-04-23 12:13:14 PM

Slaxl: He wasn't Turkish, ffs. If he was born in 270ad, and the Seljuk Turks first made it to Anatolia around the 11th century, that gives him over 700 years before the area was ruled by Turks.

Every bloody year we have a deluge of people thinking they're being clever by pointing out he's Turkish.


He wasn't even necessarily born in Anatolia. Wikipedia says: "... born in Lydda, Roman Palestine, was a soldier in the Roman army ... His father was Gerontius, a Greek Christian from Cappadocia, and an official in the Roman army. His mother, Polychronia was a Palestinian Christian."

Which would make him Palestinian by birth, though Anatolian (Cappadocian) if reckoned by his father's birth, or even Greek by his presumed native language.

Over his life-span, 275/281 - 303 AD, he could also be called Roman (as part of the Roman empire) and that his parents were claimed to be nobles from the Anicia gens, or Eastern Roman or Byzantine (which was partitioned from the Western half in 285 by the emperor Diocletian).

// In the eastern part, Greek was always the predominant language though it didn't supplant Latin as the official language until 620.
 
2014-04-23 12:23:24 PM
He is he patron saint of people with leprosy, the plague and syphilis.

I thought the patron saint of people with all venereal diseases was St Vitalis.
Syphilis, an STD so glamorous that it has two patron saints. And one of them is British.
 
2014-04-23 12:43:56 PM
Dum dah-dum-dum...

This is the countryside
My name is St George
I'm a knight
Saturday, July 10th, 8:05 pm
I was working out of the castle on the nightwatch
when a call came in from the Chief
A dragon had been devouring maidens
Homicide
My job, slay him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUdFLyNCeI4&feature=kp
 
2014-04-23 12:55:25 PM
Many people that I know of that happen to practice paganism either hate St. George (dragonslaying and all), or think the story is hogwash (dragonslaying and all).
 
2014-04-23 12:57:51 PM

patrick767: Who gives a fark? In the UK it's an excuse to wear a silly costume and go to the pub, or skip the costume and just go to the pub.


Good to know the people in the UK have their priorities set straight. Or crawl towards them, depending how much you drank before setting your priorities
 
2014-04-23 03:08:07 PM
So, more like Columbus Day?
 
2014-04-23 04:51:36 PM
I thought it was St Georges day everywhere.

/And have a Happy Shakespeare's Birthday.
 
2014-04-23 07:34:40 PM

Valiente: You know who else never went to America?


Amerigo Vespucci. He's was farking liar
 
2014-04-23 07:35:58 PM
But did he ever try to CATCH the dragon?

/Just a little bit higher!
//Can't catch me!
 
2014-04-23 08:56:37 PM

Sybarite: A poll by think tank British Future last year found only 40% of people knew that St George's Day was on 23 April, compared to 71% who knew when America's Independence Day was.

Well, not everyone has forgotten.

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Saint George's Day is Shakespeare's birthday and death day?

Could they have been more contrived and obvious when they invented him?
 
2014-04-23 09:46:20 PM
Another government holiday?
 
2014-04-24 11:00:47 AM

Aar1012: Arkanaut: I heard George Washington once slew a dragon by throwing a cherry tree across the Delaware River.

The force of the collision was so hard that it sent the dragon flying for miles. The impact crater was so massive that we call it the Grand Canyon


It's not like that at all. Dude was twelve stories high, made of radiation.

My understanding is that St. George was the Catholic Christian version of the Mithras cult, essentially. He was venerated by the Christian warriors the same way the pagans venerated Mithras, in a cult that was almost entirely military-based. So it spread wherever the Roman army went, and survived longest in England. It lasted in England because those left behind by the Romans were essentially cut off from the rest of civilization when St. George veneration died down elsewhere, or was replaced by other military saints like James in Spain, or Demetrius in the Orthodox world.
 
2014-04-24 12:39:32 PM

phyrkrakr: My understanding is that St. George was the Catholic Christian version of the Mithras cult, essentially. He was venerated by the Christian warriors the same way the pagans venerated Mithras, in a cult that was almost entirely military-based. So it spread wherever the Roman army went, and survived longest in England. It lasted in England because those left behind by the Romans were essentially cut off from the rest of civilization when St. George veneration died down elsewhere, or was replaced by other military saints like James in Spain, or Demetrius in the Orthodox world.


Is there any real scholarship on this (as opposed to crackpot). Religion in Roman times was quite syncretic with wide scale borrowings. Roman Mithraism was distinct from Mithra in Zoroastrianism though it borrowed some elements to give it ancient validity. There are debates whether Roman Mithraism predates Christianity or postdates it and about which way the borrowings go.
 
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