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(Deadline)   Love the NFL playoffs? Don't have cable? Well, sucks to be you   (deadline.com) divider line 85
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2014-04-23 07:59:39 AM  
There are ways around not having cable, Subby.
 
2014-04-23 08:25:41 AM  

Johnny Texas: I don't even have internet.


Wait...so you don't exist or you are inside the matrix?
 
2014-04-23 08:27:23 AM  
The NFL is just figuring out what the NCAA discovered a few years ago.
 
2014-04-23 08:28:25 AM  
Sports held for ransom by cable companies is what is keeping a lot of the subscriptions going, especially with older viewers, this is their entire business model now. It is no accident that huge new cable contracts are what are driving insane payrolls in sports, like the Dodgers new cable deal. Slow internet speeds by cable companies and their stranglehold on sports are their game-plan to hold off the inevitable move to fiber internet based TV.

/before anyone tells me they get 50mbs from their cable company, tell me what you get from an actual download from a real site. Those speed test numbers are all faked by allowing full access to those sites only, while everything else is throttled.
 
2014-04-23 08:43:39 AM  
Sad. but inevitable.
 
2014-04-23 08:49:21 AM  

Yakk: Sports held for ransom by cable companies is what is keeping a lot of the subscriptions going, especially with older viewers, this is their entire business model now. It is no accident that huge new cable contracts are what are driving insane payrolls in sports, like the Dodgers new cable deal. Slow internet speeds by cable companies and their stranglehold on sports are their game-plan to hold off the inevitable move to fiber internet based TV.

/before anyone tells me they get 50mbs from their cable company, tell me what you get from an actual download from a real site. Those speed test numbers are all faked by allowing full access to those sites only, while everything else is throttled.


Is this what is called...going off on a tangent.
 
2014-04-23 08:53:15 AM  
That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.
 
2014-04-23 09:03:29 AM  
I'll go spend my time doing something else then, like waiting for baseball

Haven't had cable in two years, don't miss it
 
2014-04-23 09:04:19 AM  
So, NFL wants to marginalize itself the way NHL has?
 
2014-04-23 09:05:36 AM  

my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.


watching football on a laptop or desk must suck
 
2014-04-23 09:07:19 AM  

Courtney Love's Genital Warts: So, NFL wants to marginalize itself the way NHL has?


Yep, putting a Wildcard playoff game on ESPN, where they already have MNF, is going to turn the NFL into the NHL.

/don't go outside today guys, the sky is falling
//tough to tell who's going to win the thread, "I'm too cool for cable" guy or "the NFL sucks and is going out of business" guy
 
2014-04-23 09:09:47 AM  
The NFL still has the lowest percentage of playoff games on cable of the four major sports, and it's not even close.
 
2014-04-23 09:11:15 AM  
Wouldn't that put a bit of a crimp in their ad revenues?  Guess they think it's worth it.
 
2014-04-23 09:17:04 AM  
What are two things I will never pay money for as long as I live?
 
2014-04-23 09:17:37 AM  
The NBA and NHL do it and no one bats an eye. The NFL does it, and everyone loses their minds.
Got it.
 
2014-04-23 09:18:05 AM  
Courtney Love's Genital Warts: So, NFL wants to marginalize itself the way NHL Boxing has?

Coming soon to HBO..........
 
2014-04-23 09:18:56 AM  
Just one more ass-bump down the slippery slope.
 
2014-04-23 09:39:55 AM  
If you try and squeeze every last nickel and dime out of it, you eventually kill the golden goose.

"We're the most profitable sports league in the world. Let's find more revenue."
 
2014-04-23 09:47:31 AM  

macadamnut: What are two things I will never pay money for as long as I live?


A clue and an STD test?
 
2014-04-23 09:48:43 AM  
In the near future, Hulu or Netflix or Amazon will get live broadcast rights for a major sport.
 
2014-04-23 09:49:28 AM  

macadamnut: What are two things I will never pay money for as long as I live?


Arabian Horses and a rectalectomy?
 
2014-04-23 09:51:11 AM  

SilentStrider: The NBA and NHL do it and no one bats an eye. The NFL does it, and everyone loses their minds.
Got it.


Exactly.

I love it when Blowherd always says no one watches hockey because they don't know where to find it.

Which in this day of programming guides, internet, and phone apps is stupidly ignorant to say. Which suits him perfectly.
 
2014-04-23 10:05:09 AM  
Suppose my local team gets in that wildcard playoff game that is televised on ESPN. Is it like MNF where it will also be broadcast on a local station, or will it be ESPN only.

If the former, then I don't care. If the latter, I suppose I'll either go to my parent's house or abandon my wife and kids and hit the bar.
 
2014-04-23 10:05:49 AM  

skrame: Is it like MNF where it will also be broadcast on a local station, or will it be ESPN only.


?

There's the key I was looking for.
 
2014-04-23 10:13:53 AM  
I'm guessing the cross section of people who love the NFL playoffs but don't get ESPN is awfully skimpy
 
2014-04-23 10:16:28 AM  

Yakk: Sports held for ransom by cable companies is what is keeping a lot of the subscriptions going, especially with older viewers, this is their entire business model now. It is no accident that huge new cable contracts are what are driving insane payrolls in sports, like the Dodgers new cable deal. Slow internet speeds by cable companies and their stranglehold on sports are their game-plan to hold off the inevitable move to fiber internet based TV.

/before anyone tells me they get 50mbs from their cable company, tell me what you get from an actual download from a real site. Those speed test numbers are all faked by allowing full access to those sites only, while everything else is throttled.


Comcast just told me they upgraded my connection to over 100Mbps. I tested it and averaged around 10MB/s from steam over about 10 minutes. Seems legit to me
 
2014-04-23 10:21:15 AM  
Don't care if every sport winds up on cable and not over the air stations. Still wouldn't pay $100+ every month for cable. And that rate does not include any Premium channels so I was still missing out on things like Game of Thrones. I'm happy I cut the cord.
 
2014-04-23 10:22:06 AM  

tennesseemike: my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.

watching football on a laptop or desk must suck


HDMI cables, how do they work?
 
2014-04-23 10:22:56 AM  

macadamnut: What are two things I will never pay money for as long as I live?


Condoms and diapers?
 
2014-04-23 10:23:43 AM  

SuperChuck: I'm guessing the cross section of people who love the NFL playoffs but don't get ESPN is awfully skimpy



Yup.

And we're talking about ESPN....it's not like this playoff game will be shown on Showtime.
 
2014-04-23 10:32:19 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: Courtney Love's Genital Warts: So, NFL wants to marginalize itself the way NHL Boxing has?

Coming soon to HBO..........


The NFL won't do the pay-per-view thing pro wrestling has.  They'll put the Superbowl on the NFL network then run a bunch of ads on the radio suggesting, "Call your cable provider and tell them to carry the NFL Network".  Cable providers bend over and include the NFL Network in their standard bundle and everyone pays the NFL a little bit each month whether they watch football or not.
 
2014-04-23 10:34:27 AM  

tennesseemike: my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.

watching football on a laptop or desk must suck


Depends. Sometimes, if I can find a decent connection, ill hook up my laptop to my flatscreen and watch it that way. But recently I haven't had good luck with that. Used to use ATDHE but it hasn't been reliable.
 
2014-04-23 10:35:02 AM  

SuperChuck: I'm guessing the cross section of people who love the NFL playoffs but don't get ESPN is awfully skimpy


I pay for 3 ESPN's of which I watch exactly zero.
 
2014-04-23 10:36:46 AM  

TwoBeersOneCan: tennesseemike: my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.

watching football on a laptop or desk must suck

HDMI cables, how do they work?

 
2014-04-23 10:38:15 AM  

stappawho: TwoBeersOneCan: tennesseemike: my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.

watching football on a laptop or desk must suck

HDMI cables, how do they work?


Good point.  I own a TV, but do not subscribe to any TV services because HDMI cables and the internet exist.  That's what I get for assuming.
 
2014-04-23 10:40:14 AM  

tennesseemike: my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.

watching football on a laptop or desk must suck


If you have an AppleTV or Chromecast, you can get every single game on your TV, streamed directly from the NFL, for about $350 annually.
 
2014-04-23 10:44:19 AM  
I'm sure ESPN wasn't too happy NBC was getting flexed scheduling, a block of time uncontested (by football) across America, AND a playoff game, so the NFL gave them a gift.
 
2014-04-23 10:46:17 AM  
Putting the games on cable will mean a smaller audience, and advertisers should refuse to pay the old high rates. They got hosed on the final four games that were moved to cable.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/04/08/why-did-ncaa-final-f o ur-tv-ratings-drop.aspx?source=isesitlnk0000001&mrr=0.20

It is painfully obvious that the NFL doesn't care about viewers, but should still care about advertisers, their primary revenue stream.
 
2014-04-23 10:50:20 AM  

SuperChuck: Yakk: Sports held for ransom by cable companies is what is keeping a lot of the subscriptions going, especially with older viewers, this is their entire business model now. It is no accident that huge new cable contracts are what are driving insane payrolls in sports, like the Dodgers new cable deal. Slow internet speeds by cable companies and their stranglehold on sports are their game-plan to hold off the inevitable move to fiber internet based TV.

/before anyone tells me they get 50mbs from their cable company, tell me what you get from an actual download from a real site. Those speed test numbers are all faked by allowing full access to those sites only, while everything else is throttled.

Comcast just told me they upgraded my connection to over 100Mbps. I tested it and averaged around 10MB/s from steam over about 10 minutes. Seems legit to me


Different units.  10MB/s == 80Mbps.  So you averaged 80% of your max over a 10 minute span.  That's pretty damn good (especially if you understand how TCP/IP works and what "Burst transmission" is)
 
2014-04-23 10:52:38 AM  

Muta: ModernPrimitive01: Courtney Love's Genital Warts: So, NFL wants to marginalize itself the way NHL Boxing has?

Coming soon to HBO..........

The NFL won't do the pay-per-view thing pro wrestling has.  They'll put the Superbowl on the NFL network then run a bunch of ads on the radio suggesting, "Call your cable provider and tell them to carry the NFL Network".  Cable providers bend over and include the NFL Network in their standard bundle and everyone pays the NFL a little bit each month whether they watch football or not.


I forgot to mention the B1G Network that I pay for even though I don't watch if since it only shows Big 10 Sports.
 
2014-04-23 10:53:50 AM  

Yakk: Sports held for ransom by cable companies is what is keeping a lot of the subscriptions going, especially with older viewers, this is their entire business model now. It is no accident that huge new cable contracts are what are driving insane payrolls in sports, like the Dodgers new cable deal. Slow internet speeds by cable companies and their stranglehold on sports are their game-plan to hold off the inevitable move to fiber internet based TV.


ESPN signed a 20 year contract with the SEC. Goodbye to all SEC football games for 20 years. It's a generation of college athletes across the southern US that will play their football for ESPN.

I wonder if they'll make the players dance and shuffle for coins.
 
2014-04-23 10:57:10 AM  

abmoraz: SuperChuck: Yakk: Sports held for ransom by cable companies is what is keeping a lot of the subscriptions going, especially with older viewers, this is their entire business model now. It is no accident that huge new cable contracts are what are driving insane payrolls in sports, like the Dodgers new cable deal. Slow internet speeds by cable companies and their stranglehold on sports are their game-plan to hold off the inevitable move to fiber internet based TV.

/before anyone tells me they get 50mbs from their cable company, tell me what you get from an actual download from a real site. Those speed test numbers are all faked by allowing full access to those sites only, while everything else is throttled.

Comcast just told me they upgraded my connection to over 100Mbps. I tested it and averaged around 10MB/s from steam over about 10 minutes. Seems legit to me

Different units.  10MB/s == 80Mbps.  So you averaged 80% of your max over a 10 minute span.  That's pretty damn good (especially if you understand how TCP/IP works and what "Burst transmission" is)


That's the point I was trying to make. I don't think they're lying all the time. I was suspicious at first because they were doubling my speed at no extra cost but it actually does seem legit.
 
2014-04-23 10:59:49 AM  

digistil: tennesseemike: my lip balm addiction: That's what the internet is for subby. Haven't owned a tv for a couple of years but I probably enjoy more live sports than you do.

watching football on a laptop or desk must suck

If you have an AppleTV or Chromecast, you can get every single game on your TV, streamed directly from the NFL, for about $350 annually.


Does that include paying the ISP? We pay Cox $50+ every month. Although EVERY SINGLE GAME does sound attractive. (Lived in Phoenix).
 
2014-04-23 11:15:20 AM  

PowerSlacker: The NFL still has the lowest percentage of playoff games on cable of the four major sports, and it's not even close.


And this is relevant because...?

The NFL does not have playoff series. It's one game and done. This works great for weekend viewing which doesn't disrupt the normal network television weekday prime time schedule. Other pro sports have best of 5 or best of 7 series. Those pesky games interfere with normal schedules which is why ESPN exists in the first place.

The NFL doesn't need to do this, but someone is paying them a boatload to try it out.
 
2014-04-23 11:15:22 AM  
don't have cable.
don't have internet.

fark 'em.  fark you, ESPN.  especially now that you suck.

i love sports bars.
 
2014-04-23 11:24:07 AM  

macadamnut: What are two things I will never pay money for as long as I live?


Teeth and a vasectomy?
 
2014-04-23 11:32:03 AM  
cdn01.thewrap.com
Gee, I wonder why this news is coming out now...
 
2014-04-23 11:36:45 AM  

stir22: i love sports bars.


Yep.  As long as I keep myself down to 2 games a week or less, bar surcharges (over what I'd pay for beer/snack at home) are quite a bit cheaper than cable.

At some point, as more people do this (there are a lot of "no cable" guys where I drink) the "public showing" surcharge that the bars currently pay are presumably going to have to go a lot higher.

There's probably got to be a major crackdown on the pirate streamers at some point, too.

And, at some point, there's also a matter of substitution effect.  I got more into MLS soccer because the local team went free-to-air (apparently they gained a whole lot of other viewers at the same time).  I'll watch cricket or lacrosse or minor league hockey or whatever if I can get it free.  The NFL and NCAA think they're immune to that kind of scrub competition.  On the margins, people who aren't deeply committed but watch sports for distraction, they aren't.
 
2014-04-23 11:41:01 AM  

Kuta: The NFL doesn't need to do this, but someone is paying them a boatload to try it out.


Not only does the NFL not need to do this, it actually goes against their core business model.

The NFL became what it is because of television and gambling. They gave the product away, because that's how you maximize the number of people watching the ads for Chico's Bail Bonds.

It's getting to the point where games are becoming almost unwatchable- TD, commercial, PAT, commercial, kickoff, commercial. And that's from the comfort of my own couch, where I have cheap beer and my tablet. I can only imagine what the gameday experience is like at the stadium.

I've got no problem with people making money, but in 30 years, when MLS is the biggest sports league in America, we'll look back and say "you know, maybe letting Dan Snyder try to wring every possible cent out of his fans by attempting to commoditize as much of the gameday experience as he could wasn't the best idea."
 
2014-04-23 11:43:08 AM  

Lawnchair: stir22: i love sports bars.

Yep.  As long as I keep myself down to 2 games a week or less, bar surcharges (over what I'd pay for beer/snack at home) are quite a bit cheaper than cable.

At some point, as more people do this (there are a lot of "no cable" guys where I drink) the "public showing" surcharge that the bars currently pay are presumably going to have to go a lot higher.

There's probably got to be a major crackdown on the pirate streamers at some point, too.

And, at some point, there's also a matter of substitution effect.  I got more into MLS soccer because the local team went free-to-air (apparently they gained a whole lot of other viewers at the same time).  I'll watch cricket or lacrosse or minor league hockey or whatever if I can get it free.  The NFL and NCAA think they're immune to that kind of scrub competition.  On the margins, people who aren't deeply committed but watch sports for distraction, they aren't.


What is fascinating to me is before cable most of the NCAA bowl games were dying. There were hundreds of them being shown on every tiny local tv station around the US. I think there were two broadcast bowl games in the Phoenix viewing area. The rest were on cable.
 
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