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2014-04-22 11:28:39 PM
Meh.
 
2014-04-22 11:33:17 PM
Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.
 
2014-04-22 11:34:16 PM
How, exactly, is the [Sad] tag warranted?
 
2014-04-22 11:36:19 PM

Dimensio: How, exactly, is the [Sad] tag warranted?


Longer waiting period to get your stamp?
 
2014-04-22 11:45:04 PM
Oh, you green this one?!

MINE WAS BETTER, DAMMIT!

/can't hear you
 
2014-04-22 11:46:51 PM
Makes those drive-by shootings so much more polite since you don't wake people up.
 
2014-04-22 11:49:53 PM

BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.


Um.

At the range, your gun might be silenced, but the gun in the lanes next to you isn't. Use ear protection.
 
2014-04-22 11:55:17 PM

BadReligion: Dimensio: How, exactly, is the [Sad] tag warranted?

Longer waiting period to get your stamp?


You state a valid point.

/Waited ten months.
//Was told that wait times were up to sixteen.
 
2014-04-22 11:56:23 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.

Um.

At the range, your gun might be silenced, but the gun in the lanes next to you isn't. Use ear protection.


I go to a range that typically doesn't have anyone shooting near me. And I always use ear protection, but a suppressor would be double ear protection.
 
2014-04-23 12:12:20 AM
Honestly, I don't get why silencers are so heavily regulated. You can't kill someone with one on its own other than using it like any other blunt object. And silencers don't generally cut the volume of a gunshot so much that nobody can hear it like in the movies. They're still very loud. That doesn't suggest to me they're something to focus on.
 
2014-04-23 12:15:40 AM

Serious Black: Honestly, I don't get why silencers are so heavily regulated. You can't kill someone with one on its own other than using it like any other blunt object. And silencers don't generally cut the volume of a gunshot so much that nobody can hear it like in the movies. They're still very loud. That doesn't suggest to me they're something to focus on.


"Silencers are tools of criminals. Tragedy follows them."

I am certain that the Director of Communications for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence would not issue such a statement were it not well-supported by extensive research; to do so would be dishonest.
 
2014-04-23 12:23:03 AM

Dimensio: Serious Black: Honestly, I don't get why silencers are so heavily regulated. You can't kill someone with one on its own other than using it like any other blunt object. And silencers don't generally cut the volume of a gunshot so much that nobody can hear it like in the movies. They're still very loud. That doesn't suggest to me they're something to focus on.

"Silencers are tools of criminals. Tragedy follows them."

I am certain that the Director of Communications for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence would not issue such a statement were it not well-supported by extensive research; to do so would be dishonest.


Okay. So? Am I supposed to take my cues from the Brady Campaign 24/7/365 and advocate for no guns anywhere for any reason?
 
2014-04-23 12:27:01 AM

BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.


That's the only reason I would want one. If you practice with one at the range, don't they eventually wear out? Or can you repack them like a muffler?
 
2014-04-23 12:28:34 AM
.22 silenced with sub sonic rounds. The click of the hammer was the loudest noice.

Best squirrel gun ever! Sitting on the back porch on a clear night a cigar in the other hand..

Not the best thing ever, but very nice
 
2014-04-23 12:37:05 AM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.

That's the only reason I would want one. If you practice with one at the range, don't they eventually wear out? Or can you repack them like a muffler?


I think there are a few different ways they're made, packed with whatever material, or built with baffles. The one I used was basically a stack of steel washers with small bends in them so they wouldn't sit flush on each other and air could pass between them. Like a pringles can, but the chips kinda float more and they have a hole through the center.
 
2014-04-23 12:38:50 AM
Motorcycle owners want noisier guns.
 
2014-04-23 12:51:23 AM

violentsalvation: Mitch Taylor's Bro: BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.

That's the only reason I would want one. If you practice with one at the range, don't they eventually wear out? Or can you repack them like a muffler?

I think there are a few different ways they're made, packed with whatever material, or built with baffles. The one I used was basically a stack of steel washers with small bends in them so they wouldn't sit flush on each other and air could pass between them. Like a pringles can, but the chips kinda float more and they have a hole through the center.


Gotcha. I had a motorcycle exhaust like that. Actually, it had packing in the core, too, but it muffled a lot more explosions over the course of its life.
 
2014-04-23 12:52:49 AM

BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.




As long as you register it, I don't care.

It's pretty practical for hunting, from what I understand.

Just keep in mind a gun is used to destroy. Don't try to make it sound like a harmless hobby.
 
2014-04-23 01:12:51 AM
Silencers are the shoulder thing that goes up, right?
 
2014-04-23 01:17:24 AM

The_Sponge: Silencers are the shoulder thing that goes up, right?


i74.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-23 01:20:08 AM

Darth_Lukecash: BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.

As long as you register it, I don't care.

It's pretty practical for hunting, from what I understand.

Just keep in mind a gun is used to destroy. Don't try to make it sound like a harmless hobby.


You sound like someone completely ignorant of the law regarding both guns and NFA items such as suppressors. Do a little research if you care at all about the subject.
 
2014-04-23 01:29:54 AM

BalugaJoe: Motorcycle owners want noisier guns.


Heh. Now I'm just picturing a pistol with a cherry bomb muffler on the end.
 
2014-04-23 01:30:40 AM
I've never gotten the whole pearl clutchy thing over suppressors. The only gun they make movie quiet is a .22. Frankly, I think they should be required as hearing safety gear. I'd really like one for my 1911; but, would rather not wait a year.
 
2014-04-23 01:35:00 AM

fusillade762: Makes those drive-by shootings so much more polite since you don't wake people up.


You realize, of course, one is legally required to register a suppressor?

Also, you can't just cut a pipe in half and make one yourself. I don't know if you're required to submit your fingerprints for a suppressor; but, I think you are required to do so with a CCW if I remember correctly.
 
2014-04-23 01:35:35 AM

iheartscotch: I've never gotten the whole pearl clutchy thing over suppressors. The only gun they make movie quiet is a .22. Frankly, I think they should be required as hearing safety gear. I'd really like one for my 1911; but, would rather not wait a year.


Not only a year, but $700 for the suppressor, and $200 for the stamp. For something that some back room machine shop could make for criminals, but they make law abiding folks jump through hoops and pay excessive taxes on them. A lot of the NFA stuff makes little sense, most of all suppressors, Short Barrel Rifles, and Short Barrel Shotguns.
 
2014-04-23 01:41:44 AM

BadReligion: iheartscotch: I've never gotten the whole pearl clutchy thing over suppressors. The only gun they make movie quiet is a .22. Frankly, I think they should be required as hearing safety gear. I'd really like one for my 1911; but, would rather not wait a year.

Not only a year, but $700 for the suppressor, and $200 for the stamp. For something that some back room machine shop could make for criminals, but they make law abiding folks jump through hoops and pay excessive taxes on them. A lot of the NFA stuff makes little sense, most of all suppressors, Short Barrel Rifles, and Short Barrel Shotguns.


I've seen the internals of a industrial grade suppressor. The internal baffles are shaped like backward facing miniature leaves(or propeller blades) arranged in a rotating helix. It'd take one hell of a machinist to do that by hand. Granted, crude silencers could easily be manufactured in the manner you suggest; but, not to that quality.
 
2014-04-23 01:43:16 AM
I see the issue of calling it a "silencer" has been addressed. Thank you.

/my phased plasma AR-47 in a 40 watt range is deadly silent
 
2014-04-23 01:48:18 AM

iheartscotch: BadReligion: iheartscotch: I've never gotten the whole pearl clutchy thing over suppressors. The only gun they make movie quiet is a .22. Frankly, I think they should be required as hearing safety gear. I'd really like one for my 1911; but, would rather not wait a year.

Not only a year, but $700 for the suppressor, and $200 for the stamp. For something that some back room machine shop could make for criminals, but they make law abiding folks jump through hoops and pay excessive taxes on them. A lot of the NFA stuff makes little sense, most of all suppressors, Short Barrel Rifles, and Short Barrel Shotguns.

I've seen the internals of a industrial grade suppressor. The internal baffles are shaped like backward facing miniature leaves(or propeller blades) arranged in a rotating helix. It'd take one hell of a machinist to do that by hand. Granted, crude silencers could easily be manufactured in the manner you suggest; but, not to that quality.


The guy building those illegal submachine guns to sell to biker gangs in Australia could have probably made a serviceable suppressor.
 
2014-04-23 02:39:41 AM

iheartscotch: fusillade762: Makes those drive-by shootings so much more polite since you don't wake people up.

You realize, of course, one is legally required to register a suppressor?

Also, you can't just cut a pipe in half and make one yourself. I don't know if you're required to submit your fingerprints for a suppressor; but, I think you are required to do so with a CCW if I remember correctly.


You realize, of course, that information has no bearing on my joke?
 
2014-04-23 03:23:52 AM

BadReligion: iheartscotch: I've never gotten the whole pearl clutchy thing over suppressors. The only gun they make movie quiet is a .22. Frankly, I think they should be required as hearing safety gear. I'd really like one for my 1911; but, would rather not wait a year.

Not only a year, but $700 for the suppressor, and $200 for the stamp. For something that some back room machine shop could make for criminals, but they make law abiding folks jump through hoops and pay excessive taxes on them. A lot of the NFA stuff makes little sense, most of all suppressors, Short Barrel Rifles, and Short Barrel Shotguns.


Hint: Criminals will always go outside the law for what they want.

Double Hint: Law abiding people obey laws. Why would they biatch when it's the law?

Triple Hint: Laws change.
 
2014-04-23 03:32:51 AM

BadReligion: Darth_Lukecash: BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.

As long as you register it, I don't care.

It's pretty practical for hunting, from what I understand.

Just keep in mind a gun is used to destroy. Don't try to make it sound like a harmless hobby.

You sound like someone completely ignorant of the law regarding both guns and NFA items such as suppressors. Do a little research if you care at all about the subject.


You mentioned the paperwork and stamps. I was just listening to what you said.   The article mentioned hunting... it suppresses the sound enough so it doesn't spook the animals if you miss with the first shot.

I'll be frank, I'm not sure why guns have to be loud. I figure you would want to reduce the sound. Is it so people know you are using it?  Doesn't the suppressor affect range and accuracy a bit?

I've only shot a civil war rifle, A 22 target pistol, a glock 9mm (that was my dads).  Dad wanted me to try the 45, but having a muscle condition, I didn't want to risk the recoil. The 22 was the only pistol I had enough control over.

I actually liked target shooting. Despite that, I was well aware that I was carrying a destructive force in my hands.  It's just that I'm not really into it enough to buy a gun and maintain it.  I know myself well enough.
 
2014-04-23 05:18:32 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: BadReligion: Too much paperwork involved, which is sad, since suppressors have many uses for law abiding owners. They make a pistol better for home defense, so you don't deafen yourself, and they are good for using at the range so you don't slowly lose your hearing.

Um.

At the range, your gun might be silenced, but the gun in the lanes next to you isn't. Use ear protection.


And I thought silencers had a very limited lifespan? Something about the baffles inside them giving out after a certain number of rounds. (I could very well be wrong in this.)
 
2014-04-23 05:32:10 AM

Dimensio: How, exactly, is the [Sad] tag warranted?


Because, won't someone think of the children!

Because small penis.

Because you don't need it.

Because the 2nd amendment BAD!

Because reasons.

Disregard the fact that enlightened Europeans that the left are constantly trying to emulate are often required to use one.
 
2014-04-23 05:33:43 AM
A nice WTF from the article:

Locally, though, the number of people requesting permission to carry automatic weapons is also rising, and officials and gun shop owners alike attribute that increase to a new popularity in silencers and suppressors.

[...]

Anyone who wants to own an automatic weapon - in which silencers and suppressors are included - must get permission from their local law enforcement jurisdiction and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.



Automatic weapons?!?  Are they just reading NFA 1934 and assuming that everything in that law is the same?  Holy cats, that's a bag o' stupid, even without the Brady Campaign's intentionally misleading and logically inconsistent oral diarrhea.  The free use of both suppressors and "silencers" in the same article is ridiculous enough, but...automatic weapons?!?
 
2014-04-23 05:34:58 AM
You can get your USDA supply of irony in a single sentence, here:

But while silencers and suppressors continue to become more popular, misconceptions about them persist, according to Roddel.
 
2014-04-23 05:41:55 AM
Seen a thug on a TV hoodlum program use a homemade one to shoot someone. It looked like he made his silencer by cutting the bottom out of a quart soda bottle. He then inserted the barrow of his gun into the drinking end and fired threw the bottle. I think he had filled the soda bottle with steel wool to act as a buffer.
 
2014-04-23 05:45:43 AM

Mark Ratner: I see the issue of calling it a "silencer" has been addressed. Thank you.

/my phased plasma AR-47 in a 40 watt range is deadly silent


Hey, just what you see here, pal.
 
2014-04-23 05:47:02 AM

Dimensio: Serious Black: Honestly, I don't get why silencers are so heavily regulated. You can't kill someone with one on its own other than using it like any other blunt object. And silencers don't generally cut the volume of a gunshot so much that nobody can hear it like in the movies. They're still very loud. That doesn't suggest to me they're something to focus on.

"Silencers are tools of criminals. Tragedy follows them."

I am certain that the Director of Communications for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence would not issue such a statement were it not well-supported by extensive research; to do so would be dishonest.


Honest question: did Sarah Brady actually give two shiats about gun ownership and gun violence before her husband was shot?

Anyway, an increase in suppressor sales isn't worth a Sad tag; they're extremely helpful for hunting purposes, where you're less likely to wear ear pro.
 
2014-04-23 05:48:05 AM
You know that even a suppressed weapon is like 90db or more when fired, right subby?
 
2014-04-23 05:50:10 AM

fluffy2097: You know that even a suppressed weapon is like 90db or more when fired, right subby?


WHAT?
 
2014-04-23 05:52:37 AM
You can make one out of an oil filter, iirc
 
2014-04-23 05:53:05 AM

Serious Black: Dimensio: Serious Black: Honestly, I don't get why silencers are so heavily regulated. You can't kill someone with one on its own other than using it like any other blunt object. And silencers don't generally cut the volume of a gunshot so much that nobody can hear it like in the movies. They're still very loud. That doesn't suggest to me they're something to focus on.

"Silencers are tools of criminals. Tragedy follows them."

I am certain that the Director of Communications for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence would not issue such a statement were it not well-supported by extensive research; to do so would be dishonest.

Okay. So? Am I supposed to take my cues from the Brady Campaign 24/7/365 and advocate for no guns anywhere for any reason?


Whoosh.
 
2014-04-23 05:53:08 AM

Kalashinator: Honest question: did Sarah Brady actually give two shiats about gun ownership and gun violence before her husband was shot?


Does it matter? Unnecessarily shot (and wounded, maimed, and dead) Americans - more than 100,000 a year - is still a tragedy.
Was I seriously opposed to drunk driving before I buried 5 friends before I turned 20? No.
Am I now? Let's just say that no judge has ever let me sit on a jury for a drunk driving case.

Kalashinator: Anyway, an increase in suppressor sales isn't worth a Sad tag; they're extremely helpful for hunting purposes, where you're less likely to wear ear pro.


I always don ear protection before I fire.
But I started out in Field Artillery, so ...
 
2014-04-23 05:54:15 AM
FTA: "The AR-15 weapons platform is very modular," said Shim, referring to a type of rifle used by the U.S. military. "It's like Barbie for men."

/snicker
 
2014-04-23 05:54:15 AM

Danger Avoid Death: fluffy2097: You know that even a suppressed weapon is like 90db or more when fired, right subby?

WHAT?


It's the suppressors are most effective for subsonic rounds thing.
 
2014-04-23 05:56:41 AM
I would really like one someday.  It's a tad too much for me to spend on something like though.
 
2014-04-23 05:56:44 AM

Danger Avoid Death: fluffy2097: You know that even a suppressed weapon is like 90db or more when fired, right subby?

WHAT?


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2014-04-23 05:57:17 AM

Deacon Blue: You can make one out of an oil filter, iirc


I dunno, it just seems like Quaker State or STP oil filter suppressors would be a lot quieter than FRAM ones. FRAM just sounds noisier.
 
2014-04-23 05:58:24 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Was I seriously opposed to drunk driving before I buried 5 friends before I turned 20? No.
Am I now? Let's just say that no judge has ever let me sit on a jury for a drunk driving case.


What the....  Karma really likes to rub salt into the wound!  I've not been called for jury duty  once on a drunk driving case in my forty years, and you've been called up enough times that you can say  that?  I'm sorry.  :-(
 
2014-04-23 05:58:31 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Danger Avoid Death: fluffy2097: You know that even a suppressed weapon is like 90db or more when fired, right subby?

WHAT?

It's the suppressors are most effective for subsonic rounds thing.


WHOOOOSH!

/see fluffy for help
 
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