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2014-04-22 09:18:51 PM  
Good for him.  He's considered more respectable than most of the others on that 500 list.  He's a lock for HoF.  He's also a damn fine 1b.

FTA:
Of the 25 who have hit 500 homers, 16 are in the Hall of Fame. The nine others --Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Mark McGwire, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds -- are either not yet eligible or tied to performance-enhancing substances.

Junior is also respectable, IMO.
 
2014-04-22 09:26:47 PM  
Nicely done, Sir

/GO GIANTS
 
2014-04-22 09:40:28 PM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-04-22 09:43:52 PM  

Frederick: Good for him.  He's considered more respectable than most of the others on that 500 list.  He's a lock for HoF.  He's also a damn fine 1b.

FTA:
Of the 25 who have hit 500 homers, 16 are in the Hall of Fame. The nine others --Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Mark McGwire, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds -- are either not yet eligible or tied to performance-enhancing substances.

Junior is also respectable, IMO.


Yeah!  Did anyone seriously think Griffey was dirty like Sosa and Bonds?
 
2014-04-22 09:48:04 PM  
Asterisks are the dustbin of envy and the jizz stains of small minds.
 
2014-04-22 09:48:22 PM  
Yes, I'm sure he's clean.  Just like ARod was in 2004.
 
2014-04-22 09:48:54 PM  

Frederick: Good for him.  He's considered more respectable than most of the others on that 500 list.  He's a lock for HoF.  He's also a damn fine 1b.

FTA:
Of the 25 who have hit 500 homers, 16 are in the Hall of Fame. The nine others --Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Mark McGwire, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds -- are either not yet eligible or tied to performance-enhancing substances.

Junior is also respectable, IMO.


Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.
 
2014-04-22 09:56:32 PM  
Prove it, subby
 
2014-04-22 10:01:56 PM  
lol at thinking Pujols is/was clean.

I mean, assuming anyone from the past 50 years is clean is a pretty big assumption at this point
 
2014-04-22 10:05:05 PM  

MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.


Junior? Why do you think so?
 
2014-04-22 10:07:04 PM  

MFAWG: Frederick: Good for him.  He's considered more respectable than most of the others on that 500 list.  He's a lock for HoF.  He's also a damn fine 1b.

FTA:
Of the 25 who have hit 500 homers, 16 are in the Hall of Fame. The nine others --Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Mark McGwire, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds -- are either not yet eligible or tied to performance-enhancing substances.

Junior is also respectable, IMO.

Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.


Junior wasn't juicing during his time with the Reds - hell, he spent half of every year on the DL healing up.

(Though I guess it's possible that you just can't get good steroids in Cincy.)
 
2014-04-22 10:09:19 PM  

JosephFinn: Yeah! Did anyone seriously think Griffey was dirty like Sosa and Bonds?


MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.



I dont know that he did.  I also dont care much.  I think Griffey is a good guy and good ambassador of the game.
 
2014-04-22 10:14:44 PM  
There is no way in hell Pujols is not a juicer.  Also he's probably 3-4 years older than the Angels think he is.
 
2014-04-22 10:27:49 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: There is no way in hell Pujols is not a juicer.  Also he's probably 3-4 years older than the Angels think he is.


But surely he has SOME negative qualities.
 
2014-04-22 10:33:16 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Prove it, subby


This is what I think of all of them. Guilty until they can prove themselves innocent. Haven't their been HGH rumors regarding Pujols?
 
2014-04-22 10:33:23 PM  
in other quirky landmarks.. Jeter got his 3333th tonight
 
2014-04-22 10:35:22 PM  

steveGswine: MFAWG: Frederick: Good for him.  He's considered more respectable than most of the others on that 500 list.  He's a lock for HoF.  He's also a damn fine 1b.

FTA:
Of the 25 who have hit 500 homers, 16 are in the Hall of Fame. The nine others --Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Mark McGwire, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds -- are either not yet eligible or tied to performance-enhancing substances.

Junior is also respectable, IMO.

Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.

Junior wasn't juicing during his time with the Reds - hell, he spent half of every year on the DL healing up.

(Though I guess it's possible that you just can't get good steroids in Cincy.)


If Junior wasn't on the DL as much, he'd have Aaron's record.

And if he was juicing and still on the DL, his body would be imploding right about now.
 
2014-04-22 10:35:55 PM  
I don't necessarily think Pujols is dirty.. but I don't necessarily think he's clean either.
I do think he's lying about his age.
 
2014-04-22 10:36:50 PM  

The Bestest: in other quirky landmarks.. Jeter got his 3333th tonight


That's a helluva lot of gift baskets. I hope he had a Groupon.

Oh, you meant hits?
 
2014-04-22 10:43:13 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: steveGswine: MFAWG: Frederick: Good for him.  He's considered more respectable than most of the others on that 500 list.  He's a lock for HoF.  He's also a damn fine 1b.

FTA:
Of the 25 who have hit 500 homers, 16 are in the Hall of Fame. The nine others --Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Jim Thome, Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Mark McGwire, Gary Sheffield and Barry Bonds -- are either not yet eligible or tied to performance-enhancing substances.

Junior is also respectable, IMO.

Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.

Junior wasn't juicing during his time with the Reds - hell, he spent half of every year on the DL healing up.

(Though I guess it's possible that you just can't get good steroids in Cincy.)

If Junior wasn't on the DL as much, he'd have Aaron's record.

And if he was juicing and still on the DL, his body would be imploding right about now.


Yep.

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/hot link
 
2014-04-22 10:45:25 PM  

The Bestest: I don't necessarily think Pujols is dirty.. but I don't necessarily think he's clean either.
I do think he's lying about his age.


I'd be shocked if he was clean, considering his physique is textbook juicer.
 
2014-04-22 10:45:26 PM  

Frederick: JosephFinn: Yeah! Did anyone seriously think Griffey was dirty like Sosa and Bonds?

MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.


I dont know that he did.  I also dont care much.  I think Griffey is a good guy and good ambassador of the game.


Junior isn't eligible yet. Common thought is he is clean. He's either this year's big name/top vot getter or next year. I can't remember his official retirement year.
 
2014-04-22 10:52:31 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: And if he was juicing and still on the DL, his body would be imploding right about now.


the fact that he spent so much time on the DL is a pretty good indicator he probably wasn't juicing.
 
2014-04-22 10:54:23 PM  

The Bestest: in other quirky landmarks.. Jeter got his 3333th tonight


super model?
 
2014-04-22 11:13:01 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: There is no way in hell Pujols is not a juicer.


Yeah, but then there's no way any player born since 1960 and hitting over .150 isn't a juicer.*

Don't get me wrong--I never cared all that much. The only part of the Steroid Era--which is   not over--that bothered me was the not-so-subtle implication that the entire world was so stupid we couldn't figure out why players whose college nicknames were "Slim" and "Scooter" were suddenly sporting 20" biceps. I didn't appreciate Barry Bonds visibly struggling to force steroid-use denials through a jaw that was so muscly he could barely open it, but what else was he supposed to say?

So I really feel terrible for lumping Pujols in with the juicers if he's not one of them, but for what it's worth, I don't really care. If he was juiced out of his mind to get to 500 HR, he'd probably still have 470 now without it. And I can't think of a single player at 500+ I wouldn't make that assumption about, which will probably hold true for the rest of my life.

With the possible exception of Ichiro Suzuki, who has made a career of hitting for an absurdly high average by slapping singles that land ten feet behind the second baseman. I don't think there's a pill for that yet.
 
2014-04-22 11:23:24 PM  

semiotix: RumsfeldsReplacement: There is no way in hell Pujols is not a juicer.

Yeah, but then there's no way any player born since 1960 and hitting over .150 isn't a juicer.*

Don't get me wrong--I never cared all that much. The only part of the Steroid Era--which is   not over--that bothered me was the not-so-subtle implication that the entire world was so stupid we couldn't figure out why players whose college nicknames were "Slim" and "Scooter" were suddenly sporting 20" biceps. I didn't appreciate Barry Bonds visibly struggling to force steroid-use denials through a jaw that was so muscly he could barely open it, but what else was he supposed to say?

So I really feel terrible for lumping Pujols in with the juicers if he's not one of them, but for what it's worth, I don't really care. If he was juiced out of his mind to get to 500 HR, he'd probably still have 470 now without it. And I can't think of a single player at 500+ I wouldn't make that assumption about, which will probably hold true for the rest of my life.

*  With the possible exception of Ichiro Suzuki, who has made a career of hitting for an absurdly high average by slapping singles that land ten feet behind the second baseman. I don't think there's a pill for that yet.


The only one that I would ever bet money on beside Suzuki is Frank Thomas. He spent so much of his career fighting for testing and trying to make steroids an issue that I would be stunned if he was cheating. I guess anything is possible but he's the only one I'd feel comfortable with (and I was cynical enough to accidentally wizard Lance Armstrong in a baseball thread years and years ago)
 
2014-04-22 11:32:26 PM  
This is quite an accomplishment for someone who is probably reaching 50 years old.
 
2014-04-22 11:33:31 PM  
FTFA: "Albert Pujols joined the rarest of clubs on Tuesday, and accomplished some unprecedented history in the process."

Really? I'm inclined to think the 600 and 700 HR clubs are rarer. And the non-roid version of all of these are rarer still.

Hell, in baseball alone there have to be a dozen clubs rarer than 500 homers. 1000 stolen bases! (No one joining that one anytime soon.) 4000 hits, 2000 runs scored, 700 doubles, 300 triples, not to mention all the single season milestones that are held by less than 26 people.
 
2014-04-22 11:38:36 PM  

UCJJ: FTFA: "Albert Pujols joined the rarest of clubs on Tuesday, and accomplished some unprecedented history in the process."

Really? I'm inclined to think the 600 and 700 HR clubs are rarer. And the non-roid version of all of these are rarer still.

Hell, in baseball alone there have to be a dozen clubs rarer than 500 homers. 1000 stolen bases! (No one joining that one anytime soon.) 4000 hits, 2000 runs scored, 700 doubles, 300 triples, not to mention all the single season milestones that are held by less than 26 people.


Club is a subjective term. He's the second person to hit 500 while with the Angels. He's the third youngest to reach 500. Don't read TFA or anything. Wouldn't want you to get a headache.
 
2014-04-22 11:58:23 PM  

The Bestest: I don't necessarily think Pujols is dirty.. but I don't necessarily think he's clean either.
I do think he's lying about his age.


RumsfeldsReplacement: There is no way in hell Pujols is not a juicer.


MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.


IlGreven: Yes, I'm sure he's clean.  Just like ARod was in 2004.


And yet you have no evidence for any of it.  He might have used PEDs, he might not, so let's go with innocent until proven guilty.

If a player fails a test, or there is other evidence of PED use that you wouldn't be ashamed to mention in court (possession, receipts for purchases, credible medical testimony, consorting with proven dealers, etc.), then feel free to drag his name through the mud.  A-Rod?  Braun?  Go to town.  Otherwise, Pujols doesn't start threads about your mom and donkeys, and you don't slander him, because as of today, neither of you can back it up with anything.

Borrowing from a previous thread:
Things that Fark Physicians need to stop thinking are surefire diagnoses of significant PED use:
- A professional athlete developed a chronic injury or condition that shortened his career.
- A professional athlete didn't develop a chronic injury or condition, and played for an unusually long time.
- A player in his mid 20s started hitting more home runs.
- An adult put on weight as he aged.
- An adult may or may not have had acne.
- A player was on a team with someone known to used PEDs.
- A player wasn't on a team with someone known to have used PEDs, but had the same agent, the same manager, and/or a common teammate with someone who did.
- A player wasn't on a team with someone known to have used PEDs, and that means there's a conspiracy that makes sure no one from that team ever gets busted.
- Hank Aaron once tried amphetamines but hated how they made him feel, therefore this other player used PEDs every day.
- I once worked out at a gym 26 minutes from my house and didn't gain as much weight as a young professional athlete with a personal trainer, nutritionist, and coaching staff did.  We obviously have the same genetics, but I choose not to play sports at a professional level because all that money and fame is icky.
- A player grew up in another country, and therefore the good stuff was legally available at a reasonable price in rural villages in developing nations.
- A player grew up in the United States, and therefore had illegal access to the good stuff at a young age, and the resources to get it regularly.
- A player changed teams (and coaching staffs and home parks) and then got better at baseball.
- I know a guy who said this player used, but I can't name him or prove anything because reasons.
- I hate Team X, and like Team Y, therefore everyone on Team X used PEDs and no one on Team Y did.
- Everyone used, and I know this because I have access to evidence that I can't show to anyone.
- A player was really good at baseball, just like other players who failed PED tests like Neifi Perez, Freddy Galvis, and Eliezer Alfonzo.
 
2014-04-23 12:11:23 AM  
Seeing Skaggs on the Angels made me cringe.

/when will the season be over!?!?
//*sob*
///*sobs more*
 
2014-04-23 12:16:02 AM  

TheManofPA: Frederick: JosephFinn: Yeah! Did anyone seriously think Griffey was dirty like Sosa and Bonds?

MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.


I dont know that he did.  I also dont care much.  I think Griffey is a good guy and good ambassador of the game.

Junior isn't eligible yet. Common thought is he is clean. He's either this year's big name/top vot getter or next year. I can't remember his official retirement year.


He retired June 2, 2010, the same day that Armando Galarraga threw his "perfect" game. He'll be eligible following the 2015 season, meaning he'll be elected in 2016.
 
2014-04-23 12:21:20 AM  

ChrisDe: HaywoodJablonski: Prove it, subby

This is what I think of all of them. Guilty until they can prove themselves innocent. Haven't their been HGH rumors regarding Pujols?


How can you prove yourself innocent in an argument like this?
 
2014-04-23 12:26:19 AM  

zekeburger: TheManofPA: Frederick: JosephFinn: Yeah! Did anyone seriously think Griffey was dirty like Sosa and Bonds?

MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.


I dont know that he did.  I also dont care much.  I think Griffey is a good guy and good ambassador of the game.

Junior isn't eligible yet. Common thought is he is clean. He's either this year's big name/top vot getter or next year. I can't remember his official retirement year.

He retired June 2, 2010, the same day that Armando Galarraga threw his "perfect" game. He'll be eligible following the 2015 season, meaning he'll be elected in 2016.


Thanks, I would have thought it was 2015, so I don't know who the big name will be that year. He'll be first ballot but as always he'll have people who leave him off just because and go in with about 85 percent
 
2014-04-23 12:38:25 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: If Junior wasn't on the DL as much, he'd have Aaron's record.


Just Aaron's?  He'd have broken Sadaharu Oh's record as well.
 
2014-04-23 12:39:16 AM  
You farkers who keep screaming "JUICER!" at every quality hitter of the last 20 years are gleefully participating in a theme created and propagated by baby boomer sportswriters so that the players from their youth are still the best players of all time.

Kudos on being a huge part of the problem.
 
2014-04-23 12:54:57 AM  

chimp_ninja: The Bestest: I don't necessarily think Pujols is dirty.. but I don't necessarily think he's clean either.
I do think he's lying about his age.

RumsfeldsReplacement: There is no way in hell Pujols is not a juicer.

MFAWG: Juiced. Guaranfarkingteed.

IlGreven: Yes, I'm sure he's clean.  Just like ARod was in 2004.

And yet you have no evidence for any of it.  He might have used PEDs, he might not, so let's go with innocent until proven guilty.

If a player fails a test, or there is other evidence of PED use that you wouldn't be ashamed to mention in court (possession, receipts for purchases, credible medical testimony, consorting with proven dealers, etc.), then feel free to drag his name through the mud.  A-Rod?  Braun?  Go to town.  Otherwise, Pujols doesn't start threads about your mom and donkeys, and you don't slander him, because as of today, neither of you can back it up with anything.

Borrowing from a previous thread:
Things that Fark Physicians need to stop thinking are surefire diagnoses of significant PED use:
- A professional athlete developed a chronic injury or condition that shortened his career.
- A professional athlete didn't develop a chronic injury or condition, and played for an unusually long time.
- A player in his mid 20s started hitting more home runs.
- An adult put on weight as he aged.
- An adult may or may not have had acne.
- A player was on a team with someone known to used PEDs.
- A player wasn't on a team with someone known to have used PEDs, but had the same agent, the same manager, and/or a common teammate with someone who did.
- A player wasn't on a team with someone known to have used PEDs, and that means there's a conspiracy that makes sure no one from that team ever gets busted.
- Hank Aaron once tried amphetamines but hated how they made him feel, therefore this other player used PEDs every day.
- I once worked out at a gym 26 minutes from my house and didn't gain as much weight as a young professional athlete with a personal t ...


Or you can not give a fark because it's just bullshiatting about sports.
 
2014-04-23 12:55:37 AM  

dameron: You farkers who keep screaming "JUICER!" at every quality hitter of the last 20 years are gleefully participating in a theme created and propagated by baby boomer sportswriters so that the players from their youth are still the best players of all time.

Kudos on being a huge part of the problem.


That's a hell of a good point.
Here's a history lesson. In the third Tour de France ever (over a century ago) the two favorites quit half way through the first stage to protest the doping in the race. Baseball is the same farking story. Meth, coke, weird shiatty meds that didn't do everything they promised... they've been trying this shiat for decades. Science has narrowed down what actually works. That's why we can catch the juicers, but they've always been there.

On the bright side, the clean guys have always been there. I really believe that. If I didn't I couldn't bring myself to watch. I just can't believe that every damn hayseed with a good arm/bat has been corrupted.
 
2014-04-23 01:27:10 AM  

dameron: You farkers who keep screaming "JUICER!" at every quality hitter of the last 20 years are gleefully participating in a theme created and propagated by baby boomer sportswriters so that the players from their youth are still the best players of all time.

Kudos on being a huge part of the problem.


You're not wrong. (Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not actually the reason anyone's getting "vitamin shots," so you're wrong about that.) But then again, there's no contradiction between using steroids and being a quality hitter. That's why so many quality hitters use them--to get an edge on the other quality hitters. The journeyman backup 3B making the league minimum for half a season and batting .222 the whole way doesn't take steroids because there wouldn't be any point (and he couldn't really afford the BALCO-level treatment anyway).

As for the idea that only Sandy Koufax and Harmon Killebrew were ever any good, I don't know anyone who believes that, other than the boomer sportswriters you're talking about. If Babe Ruth had access to the trainers that a AAA player does today, he'd have hit a thousand home runs. And if the pitchers he faced had the same advantage, he'd have ended up with half that.

So yeah: today's players are better on the merits. They're the top of a much larger pool, they're much more incentivized than ballplayers who were basically middle-class, they've got space-age (legal) technology helping them all along the way, and all the rest. But those are also precisely the reason there's so much doping. And it's to the point where it's getting really hard to blame them. It's a shiatty situation, because in some sense yeah, it'd be nice for everyone to know that the very best got there without having to fark with their health, but that doesn't mean the situation doesn't exist.
 
2014-04-23 01:34:09 AM  

semiotix: dameron: You farkers who keep screaming "JUICER!" at every quality hitter of the last 20 years are gleefully participating in a theme created and propagated by baby boomer sportswriters so that the players from their youth are still the best players of all time.

Kudos on being a huge part of the problem.

You're not wrong. (Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not actually the reason anyone's getting "vitamin shots," so you're wrong about that.) But then again, there's no contradiction between using steroids and being a quality hitter. That's why so many quality hitters use them--to get an edge on the other quality hitters. The journeyman backup 3B making the league minimum for half a season and batting .222 the whole way doesn't take steroids because there wouldn't be any point (and he couldn't really afford the BALCO-level treatment anyway).

As for the idea that only Sandy Koufax and Harmon Killebrew were ever any good, I don't know anyone who believes that, other than the boomer sportswriters you're talking about. If Babe Ruth had access to the trainers that a AAA player does today, he'd have hit a thousand home runs. And if the pitchers he faced had the same advantage, he'd have ended up with half that.

So yeah: today's players are better on the merits. They're the top of a much larger pool, they're much more incentivized than ballplayers who were basically middle-class, they've got space-age (legal) technology helping them all along the way, and all the rest. But those are also precisely the reason there's so much doping. And it's to the point where it's getting really hard to blame them. It's a shiatty situation, because in some sense yeah, it'd be nice for everyone to know that the very best got there without having to fark with their health, but that doesn't mean the situation doesn't exist.


You are a farking dolt who has no idea what the hell you are talking about. Many of the players busted or implicated are exactly the kind of players you say "don't take steroids."
 
2014-04-23 01:42:02 AM  
Uh, Pujols is a Roider. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
2014-04-23 01:59:34 AM  

ISO15693: Uh, Pujols is a Roider. Sorry to burst your bubble.


What are you basing this on?
 
2014-04-23 03:29:08 AM  
I think when all is said and done, we're going to learn that Pujols juiced.

/so does Rafa Nadal
 
2014-04-23 03:51:39 AM  
OMG he watched his home run and the pitcher didn't get all butt hurt and no benches were cleared......What about the unwritten rules?
 
2014-04-23 05:07:56 AM  
My favorite out of all the 500:

www.stlcardinalbaseball.com
 
2014-04-23 05:07:56 AM  

daveb0rg: OMG he watched his home run and the pitcher didn't get all butt hurt and no benches were cleared......What about the unwritten rules?


Haha.  Yeah, but Pujols has got gravitas, cachet -he's got standing.  Only a pitcher of equal measure could pull off getting butthurt.

/I love the unwritten rules
 
2014-04-23 05:20:58 AM  

Benjamin Stone: My favorite out of all the 500:


Still hasn't landed yet. My second favorite baseball memory next to Ozzie's home run to make everyone Go Crazy.
 
2014-04-23 05:28:54 AM  

Benjamin Stone: My favorite out of all the 500:

[www.stlcardinalbaseball.com image 298x429]


My favorite too, but postseason stats don't count towards career, upping his total to 518.
 
2014-04-23 05:38:08 AM  

dikkcor28: Benjamin Stone: My favorite out of all the 500:

[www.stlcardinalbaseball.com image 298x429]

My favorite too, but postseason stats don't count towards career, upping his total to 518.


Ah, true.

Regular season favorites would be the back to back walk off home runs against the Cubs in 2011. Because Cubs. :)
 
2014-04-23 06:41:38 AM  

The Bestest: I don't necessarily think Pujols is dirty.. but I don't necessarily think he's clean either.
I do think he's lying about his age.


Junior was clean. He never bulked up, his output matched expectations, he never peaked late, his head is a normal size, and he was hurt. A LOT.

Pujols is clean too. His field play is just as good as his hitting, he isn't weirdly bulky, and he's not solely a long-ball hitter.

He is, however, almost certainly older than they claim.
 
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