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(Kansas.com)   Defendant afraid tattooed mirror-image letters spelling out the word "murder" on his neck might just prejudice the jury in his murder trial. O Rly?   (kansas.com) divider line 101
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2014-04-23 01:58:12 AM  

ransack.: Danger Avoid Death: stuffy: Get him a scarf that reads DUMBASS.

The fourth Doctor is not amused.

I really like corny sci-fi but I just can't get into Dr. Who. I think it's because I never saw it before I was like 25. I've watched a few episodes and it was like.. okay. I'm pretty sure for some reason that if I grew up watching it I would be waaayyy into it though.


No, it's actually you. I didn't start watching it until the 9th doctor when I was in my 40s and got hooked.
 
2014-04-23 01:59:39 AM  
Or he could request six months delay to grow a beard. I could get a beard to my collar in that time.

/currently past my nips
//my mother hate it because her brother came back from Nam with ptsd and went mad while going feral
///he's a clean shaven minister now
 
Skr
2014-04-23 02:00:04 AM  
He just needs to finish up the tattoo on his neck with a FACE.

fc08.deviantart.net
plausible deniability
 
2014-04-23 02:00:26 AM  

cyberspacedout: Obligatory:


www.thetimes.co.uk
 
2014-04-23 02:04:19 AM  

ransack.: SpinStopper: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".

I hope it took two sessions.

"Yes"

WTF is that? I literally have no idea what anything in that picture is and reverse-GIS was no help.

[i.imgur.com image 300x174]

Still not making sense!


I hope I searched right, but it's a character from Babylon 5 named  Kosh Naranek. I know nothing beyond that. Never watched the show.
 
2014-04-23 02:10:49 AM  

capt.hollister: ransack.: Danger Avoid Death: stuffy: Get him a scarf that reads DUMBASS.

The fourth Doctor is not amused.

I really like corny sci-fi but I just can't get into Dr. Who. I think it's because I never saw it before I was like 25. I've watched a few episodes and it was like.. okay. I'm pretty sure for some reason that if I grew up watching it I would be waaayyy into it though.

No, it's actually you. I didn't start watching it until the 9th doctor when I was in my 40s and got hooked.


Yeah I figured it was just me. There's no way it could be on TV for fifty years and not be good. My dad started watching it when he got BBC America several years ago and he likes it. He really digs corny sci-fi too, and he's crazy into the Puppet Master film series and other Full Moon and Troma films. He also has all of Erich von Däniken's books and I read them as a kid and found them fascinating but I don't believe in ancient aliens. My dad also watches Ancient Aliens and the other programs like that but I don't think I've ever heard him actually talk about religion or aliens or God and I don't think he actually believes all that. He smokes a lot of pot.

I don't know.. I just didn't mesh with it. Maybe it's the British accents?
 
2014-04-23 02:18:24 AM  
It goes with that whole thinking ahead thing that people were always trying to tell him about.

Maybe next time he'll get a nice rainbow tattooed instead.
 
2014-04-23 02:30:35 AM  
It's all fun and games, but someone explain how a prejudiced jury in America is asinine?
 
2014-04-23 02:38:47 AM  

JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".


Way to fight for the justice system ... are you from Iran?
 
2014-04-23 02:45:23 AM  

Ex-Texan: Could say he's a "Lord of the Rings" fan, and "Mordor" was spelled wrong.


Yeah...somehow I don't think that would help his case either.
 
2014-04-23 02:46:46 AM  

tomerson: JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".

Way to fight for the justice system ... are you from Iran?



The D.A.'s job is to try to make this guy seem guilty. Why would that question be out of bounds?
 
2014-04-23 02:48:34 AM  

jaytkay: freetomato: A turtleneck is about a buck at Goodwill, you murderous asshole. Get one of your trashy family members to get you one.

I always suspected Mort was a farking nazi

[pab58.files.wordpress.com image 450x313]


Actually he's hiding his disfigurement

o.onionstatic.com
 
2014-04-23 03:00:07 AM  

ransack.: SpinStopper: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".

I hope it took two sessions.

"Yes"

WTF is that? I literally have no idea what anything in that picture is and reverse-GIS was no help.

[i.imgur.com image 300x174]

Still not making sense!


That's a Vorlon from Babylon 5.  HIs answer to almost any difficult two-part question was "yes".  ;)
 
2014-04-23 03:06:04 AM  

SpinStopper: ransack.: SpinStopper: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".

I hope it took two sessions.

"Yes"

WTF is that? I literally have no idea what anything in that picture is and reverse-GIS was no help.

[i.imgur.com image 300x174]

Still not making sense!

That's a Vorlon from Babylon 5.  HIs answer to almost any difficult two-part question was "yes".  ;)


For example:

i57.tinypic.com
 
2014-04-23 03:10:32 AM  
Wait, so the photo's not flipped, it's actually backward? Did he tattoo himself looking in the mirror?

It's like that woman who claimed Obama supporters drew, cut or shaved (I forget which) a "B" on her face or head. Her story was rendered a bit less credible by it being backwards.


/clever Sosh'lists!
 
2014-04-23 03:16:03 AM  

gerbilpox: Wait, so the photo's not flipped, it's actually backward? Did he tattoo himself looking in the mirror?

It's like that woman who claimed Obama supporters drew, cut or shaved (I forget which) a "B" on her face or head. Her story was rendered a bit less credible by it being backwards.


/clever Sosh'lists!


Morton Downey Jr. did it first with a swastika.
 
2014-04-23 03:31:23 AM  
Dear Jeffrey,

You don't spell moron with a D.
 
2014-04-23 03:58:25 AM  
There are no jury trials anymore - prosecutors overcharge people to the extent that it would be crazy to exercise your rights to a trial.

source: get called up every two years, haven't been on one in a decade.
 
2014-04-23 04:12:56 AM  

ransack.: cyberspacedout: Obligatory:

[www.thetimes.co.uk image 780x520]


Uh... that was unexpectedly yet creatively Godwinned. I suppose I also would've accepted a mugshot of Charles Manson as an example contradicting the chart I posted.

Also, now I know to hit "preview" when posting from the mobile site - it automatically added unnecessarily small height and width attributes to the image tag.
 
2014-04-23 04:16:57 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: There are no jury trials anymore - prosecutors overcharge people to the extent that it would be crazy to exercise your rights to a trial.

source: get called up every two years, haven't been on one in a decade.


So wait.  There are no jury trials yet you get called up every 2 years?  Just because you don't get selected doesn't mean the trials don't happen.  They aren't calling you up merely to annoy you (as much as you may think that). Also, it is amazing what you can charge someone with and if anything people are undercharged because so many things they are likely guilty of simply doesn't add any potential time if they are convicted.  The fact is you can't charge someone just because you feel like it, there has to be evidence of the crime and many times criminals are being rewarded with a package discount merely because the courts and public defenders, and prosecutors officers are so grossly underfunded.  Sadly money is always available to police, but no one cares if you can actually put them in prison in a timely and constitutional manner because arrests are what generally gets the headlines.
 
2014-04-23 04:21:13 AM  
i.dailymail.co.uk
Please.
 
2014-04-23 04:27:20 AM  
Hmmm...I might want to get rid of the "Cattle Bugger" tattoo on my face.

/my band's name, I swear.
 
2014-04-23 04:30:19 AM  
Did anyone know his race before clicking the link? Cause that's kind of a staple in criminals threads.
 
2014-04-23 04:37:32 AM  

Daedalus27: So wait.  There are no jury trials yet you get called up every 2 years?  Just because you don't get selected doesn't mean the trials don't happen.


No one got selected. After the third day, the judge came out and said "You've just finished 19 cases - good work." He meant that 19 cases were settled without a jury trial - all bargained out. That is not justice. These people- and there was one case in particular on the docket that day that was in the local media - were massively over-charged and really had no choice but to plea - a f*cking disgrace. They were denied their basic Constitutional right to a trial.
 
2014-04-23 04:57:26 AM  
For some reason I'm really amused by the fact that pretty much everyone (including the prosecution) thinks covering the tattoo is a good idea, and the problem isn't anyone opposing but the fact that in Kansas it's illegal for anyone to do tattoo work outside of specific registered premises... meaning that no one can actually come into the jail to re-ink him.

Way to randomly cause yourself legal problems through severe over-regulation, Kansas.
 
2014-04-23 05:00:26 AM  
Sure, the neck tattoo says MURDER, but the face tattoo is a teardrop. He's crying! If that doesn't say remorse, what does?
 
2014-04-23 05:38:19 AM  
Sometimes when you label yourself, people  read the label and assume that there's some level of truth in advertising.  That is not unjust, because you choose to put that message out there.
 
2014-04-23 07:23:56 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: freetomato: If the tattooed party truly wants to divorce their past, go this route, MFers! If it's still in your heart, take it like man. Poor life choices have consequences.

Thanks, I watch a lot of indie docos, and that looks really good. I'm *cough* completely legally *cough* downloading it now.


It is very good.  It really stuck with me for days afterward.  Here's a good synopsis of it.
 
2014-04-23 07:27:17 AM  

freetomato: A turtleneck is about a buck at Goodwill, you murderous asshole. Get one of your trashy family members to get you one.


Why does his family have to be trashy?
Some people are just broken.
 
2014-04-23 08:07:40 AM  

KerryKlu: Not to mention the teardrop tat by his left eye.  Get a brain moran!


How else is a thug supposed to properly display the number of people he has killed?  Have some compassion!

/he belongs in jail
 
2014-04-23 08:21:25 AM  

ransack.: I really like corny sci-fi but I just can't get into Dr. Who.


Do you like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? If so, I'd recommend starting with a few choice Tom Baker episodes, from around the era when Douglas Adams was script editor (and sometimes writer)... The whole Key to Time series is great, but if The Pirate Planet doesn't have you laughing and wanting to watch more by the end, then there's probably no hope for you enjoying many of the classic Who episodes...

The new stuff however, tends to have much wider appeal... So, if you've tried, for instance, new Who episodes like "Blink" or "Vincent and the Doctor" or "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances", and still can't get into it, it may just be hopeless...
 
2014-04-23 08:22:42 AM  

lindalouwho: freetomato: A turtleneck is about a buck at Goodwill, you murderous asshole. Get one of your trashy family members to get you one.

Why does his family have to be trashy?
Some people are just broken.


Often, the fruit is not far from the tree.
 
2014-04-23 08:45:47 AM  

freetomato: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: wildcardjack: Not going with just make-up? A bit of concealer each day has to be cheaper than the other options.

A couple years ago, fark had a thread about a guy that got an hour or so of make-up everyday before trial because it was ruled white supremacist tattoos on his face that he got in jail after he killed the guy might unfairly prejudice the jury.

If the tattooed party truly wants to divorce their past, go this route, MFers! If it's still in your heart, take it like man. Poor life choices have consequences.


This is why I believe tattoo removal should be banned. You make those kinds of choices, you're supposed to live with them.
 
2014-04-23 09:07:13 AM  

Ehcks: ransack.: SpinStopper: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".

I hope it took two sessions.

"Yes"

WTF is that? I literally have no idea what anything in that picture is and reverse-GIS was no help.

[i.imgur.com image 300x174]

Still not making sense!

I hope I searched right, but it's a character from Babylon 5 named  Kosh Naranek. I know nothing beyond that. Never watched the show.


I actually loved B5.  It was a surprisingly rich storyline and they had (from what I remember) sweet digital graphics for the space scenes.  Kinda cheesy but really fun and sometimes dark.  I'm sure if I started watching it from scratch again it might not have stood the test of time by in my early teens, it was pretty fun.  I wonder if it's on netflix?
 
2014-04-23 09:45:44 AM  

tomerson: Way to fight for the justice system ... are you from Iran?


In my world, the justice system tries to lock thugs away.  This guy looks like a prime candidate to me.

I suspect you're rooting for him because you, too, are a thug.
 
2014-04-23 10:12:18 AM  

JuggleGeek: tomerson: Way to fight for the justice system ... are you from Iran?

In my world, the justice system tries to lock thugs away.  This guy looks like a prime candidate to me.

I suspect you're rooting for him because you, too, are a thug.


So, you're advocating that Tomerson should be locked away? I mean, forget any suspicion of him committing a crime - he's a "thug" because he says something that is not completely opposed to the rights of another "thug"?

By merely asking these questions, am  Inow a "thug"?

www.wingclips.com
"I am Thugicus!"
 
2014-04-23 10:16:10 AM  
When I testified in a murder trial the defendant had "Murder 1" tattooed on his arm which the detectives took pictures of. Likely on the advice of his attorney, the defendant then altered the tattoo so it was not easily recognizable. The detectives then took pictures of the altered tattoo. The before and after tattoos pictures were then ruled admissible in court by the judge and shown to the jurors. The defendant also made a statement to the police that he just meant to beat up the victim in what was supposed to be just a drug deal but instead turned into a robbery of the guy's Vicodin and a homicide.
 
2014-04-23 10:22:09 AM  

Theaetetus: So, you're advocating that Tomerson should be locked away? I mean, forget any suspicion of him committing a crime - he's a "thug" because he says something that is not completely opposed to the rights of another "thug"?


He has a tattoo saying "murder" on his neck, and he's in jail for killing someone.  He's getting a trial.  What are you butt hurt about, asshole?
 
2014-04-23 10:22:38 AM  
ransack.:

WTF is that? I literally have no idea what anything in that picture is and reverse-GIS was no help.

Vorlon.
 
2014-04-23 11:27:52 AM  

JuggleGeek: tomerson: Way to fight for the justice system ... are you from Iran?

In my world, the justice system tries to lock thugs away.  This guy looks like a prime candidate to me.

I suspect you're rooting for him because you, too, are a thug.


In the United States, perps are innocent until proven guilty. If you have absolute proof that this guy is a thug, besides the fact that you don't like his tattoos, then you'd better get yourself sworn in ASAP.
 
2014-04-23 11:38:43 AM  

charlesmartel11235: I can't help but think of everyone who has failed that dude so completely that he shows up to a felony trial with a hideous neck tat. Kinda makes me appreciate my own upbringing


i know a lot of dumbasses who had inadequate childhoods.  hell, i used to be quite the dumbass myself.  it takes a special kind of dumbass to tattoo murder on your neck.   fark him.
 
2014-04-23 11:45:09 AM  

JuggleGeek: Theaetetus: So, you're advocating that Tomerson should be locked away? I mean, forget any suspicion of him committing a crime - he's a "thug" because he says something that is not completely opposed to the rights of another "thug"?

He has a tattoo saying "murder" on his neck, and he's in jail for allegedlykilling someone.  He's getting a trial.  What are you butt hurt about, asshole?


FTFY. And specifically, what I'm "butt hurt" about is you saying that "in your world", the justice system tries to lock people like Tomerson away, apparently for the crime of saying that juries should be unbiased.
 
2014-04-23 12:39:01 PM  
Will it bias the jury?

"biatch, it might."

www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-04-23 01:38:23 PM  

KerryKlu: Not to mention the teardrop tat by his left eye.  Get a brain moran!


I've never really understand what a teardrop tattoo is supposed to indicate.  "I cry for the people I've killed"?  "I make other people cry"?  "Ain't too much sadder than the tears of a clown when there's no one around"?

I mean, sure, on some high level it's supposed to indicate "I'm dangerous; I'm tough."  I'm just not real clear on the chain of logic that gets there from a teardrop.
 
2014-04-23 01:46:31 PM  

ransack.: SpinStopper: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: JuggleGeek: When this goes to trial, I'm hoping the first question the DA asks him when he gets on the stand is "Did you get the "murder" tattoo before you killed him, or after?".

I hope it took two sessions.

"Yes"

WTF is that? I literally have no idea what anything in that picture is and reverse-GIS was no help.


Kosh Naranek, the ambassador for the Vorlons from the television show Babylon 5.  I think he's referring to this exchange.

Kosh: They are alone. They are a dying people. We should let them pass.
Sinclair: The Narn or the Centauri?
Kosh: Yes.
 
2014-04-23 01:54:57 PM  
The part I love about this the most is his attorney wants the tattoo removed.  I read another article about this dirtbag where it said the attorney wants the tattoo removed at taxpayer expense.

Of course, I think anyone with any brainpower will realize he's just trying to stall or looking for some extremely lame reason for a mistrial.
 
2014-04-23 01:57:45 PM  
Wait, I though tats were a expresion of your true self, and how you want to be percieved......what could be prejudicial about his tats?
 
2014-04-23 02:38:15 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Daedalus27: So wait.  There are no jury trials yet you get called up every 2 years?  Just because you don't get selected doesn't mean the trials don't happen.

No one got selected. After the third day, the judge came out and said "You've just finished 19 cases - good work." He meant that 19 cases were settled without a jury trial - all bargained out. That is not justice. These people- and there was one case in particular on the docket that day that was in the local media - were massively over-charged and really had no choice but to plea - a f*cking disgrace. They were denied their basic Constitutional right to a trial.


How do you know it wasn't justice and that they were overcharged?  Instead maybe they were given a discount and decided to take it. How do you know they were innocent and bullied into taking a deal? Yes, you can get creative and overcharge a defendant, but it can get dismissed at the preliminary hearing or on motions if you are really outside the box. Prosecutors can't just tack on a murder charge for the petty theft case to try and get them to plead guilty, it doesn't work that way regardless of what you have seen on TV.

Instead there are often numerous charges of a similar type or punishment level that may or may not lead to a lengthy sentence  (say 3 counts of theft and a couple commercial burglary).  Now they could potentially be treated as several separate incidents allowing for consecutive sentences but as a plea, they will be treated concurrently which can shave off a year or two.  Is this overcharging in your mind? Or say there were a couple different drugs found on a person and each drug was a separate count of possession of a controlled substance but as a plea deal they can plea to one drug.  Is that overcharging to get the plea? Sure prosecutors incentivize getting pleas and public defenders and defense certainly are pushing to resolve things.  That is the system we have built since it simply can't handle most cases going to trial due to lack of resources for the courts, public defenders, and prosecutors offices.
 
2014-04-23 04:06:53 PM  

Theaetetus: FTFY. And specifically, what I'm "butt hurt" about is you saying that "in your world", the justice system tries to lock people like Tomerson away, apparently for the crime of saying that juries should be unbiased.


I didn't say that Tomerson should be locked away.  You just made that up.  Much like Tomerson made up crap about how I'm opposed to justice and must be from Iran.

I'm done with your trolling now.
 
2014-04-23 08:44:15 PM  

ciberido: KerryKlu: Not to mention the teardrop tat by his left eye.  Get a brain moran!

I've never really understand what a teardrop tattoo is supposed to indicate.  "I cry for the people I've killed"?  "I make other people cry"?  "Ain't too much sadder than the tears of a clown when there's no one around"?

I mean, sure, on some high level it's supposed to indicate "I'm dangerous; I'm tough."  I'm just not real clear on the chain of logic that gets there from a teardrop.


+1 for the Smokey reference.
 
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