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2014-04-23 01:24:32 AM

chopit: Right.  Random girl randomly crawling over a random pile of wood where,  good lord, a random pile of bullets were found randomly drilled into a random pile of random wood.

Give me a break.  This was a setup from the start, and if you take little miss random into a random room and ask her random questions, she'll break down and tell you daddy was involved.

Ten bucks says the little girls were related to the perps.


I um, have personal experience of hidden pranks found by kids who were not supposed to be where they were calling the cops. Thankfully long before today's zero tolerance policies.
 
2014-04-23 01:24:47 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: IDK, but as a kid me and my brother found was what we thought was a empty .22 shell and lit the empty on fire with a lighter. The primer flew off and went into a sheet of drywall.
/Craped my pants that day



.22 is rimfire, the primer compound is inside the case, there is no external primer to fly off. Maybe it was a .25acp?
 
2014-04-23 01:31:37 AM

DarkVader: http://bearingarms.com/ever-wondered-what-might-happen-if-you-burned- 2 8000-rounds-of-ammunition-in-a-bonfire/


Great video. Beautiful really.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-23 01:47:30 AM

mutterfark: ♪ And a cartridge in a dead tree...♪


www.bubblews.com
 
2014-04-23 01:54:14 AM

DarkVader: http://bearingarms.com/ever-wondered-what-might-happen-if-you-burned- 2 8000-rounds-of-ammunition-in-a-bonfire/


10 min in and I...
/Like it a lot
 
2014-04-23 02:00:35 AM

Lsherm: What. The. Fark.

What kind of asshole would do something like that?


That could have startled someone!

Arsehole move...most definitely. In this case the arsehole has watched too many movies. The ammunition would have been glorified black cats, not crowd killers.

That being said, there's a very disturbed individual amongst them. Next time the idiot just might get lucky.
 
2014-04-23 02:03:32 AM

Easy Reader: TheMega: Hmmmm.. appears to 7.62x54.. yes, some did actually get manufactured for a machine gun. Majority did not.. but, by all means, let's go with machine gun ammo even tho those are obviously not machine gun ammo. And, that's an assault log, too!!!!!


/god damned assault logs, anyhow
//what machine gun ammo might look like...
[i630.photobucket.com image 850x637]

I see what you mean, but the ones in the log don't look like they're rimmed.  The scale of the bark makes it look like .50 cal., like the kind a Barrett rifle would fire.


Look at the wicker for scale.
 
2014-04-23 02:05:18 AM

John's Long Mustache: Is there any chance the bullets could have been used in a bolt action or single shot rifle and not a machine gun?  Are they marked machine gun only?


Shhh...you're killing the panic. You need to use a buzzword immediately to get everyone worked up again. Say "clip".
 
2014-04-23 02:09:47 AM

Tymast: TheMega: Hmmmm.. appears to 7.62x54.. yes, some did actually get manufactured for a machine gun. Majority did not.. but, by all means, let's go with machine gun ammo even tho those are obviously not machine gun ammo. And, that's an assault log, too!!!!!


/god damned assault logs, anyhow
//what machine gun ammo might look like...
[i630.photobucket.com image 850x637]

It is a tragedy when people do not get the right names,  maybe one day as a nation we'll all be able to identify the caliber by the sound it makes being fired into a large crowd but sadly due to the liberal opression of gun rights, this day may not come.


Yeah, it sucks how people cant take time to read for 5 minutes about the things they rail against. Fark those teabaggers/libs/repubs/wikipedia-haters.

/Ignorance looks awesome on you.
 
2014-04-23 02:33:05 AM

TheMega: Hmmmm.. appears to 7.62x54.. yes, some did actually get manufactured for a machine gun. Majority did not.. but, by all means, let's go with machine gun ammo even tho those are obviously not machine gun ammo. And, that's an assault log, too!!!!!


/god damned assault logs, anyhow
//what machine gun ammo might look like...


It's not 7.62x54R, since it's not rimmed. Judging by the size of the casing and the bullet, and the fact that it looks to be relatively old surplus ammo, and the fact that this is in Germany, I'm going with 8mm (7.92x57) Mauser.

upload.wikimedia.org

Which most certainly was used in machine guns, such as the MG34 and MG42, but was originally a rifle cartridge. Although to be fair, all light machine guns fire rifle cartridges. That's one of the main reasons they're classified as machine guns, and not submachine guns.
 
2014-04-23 02:50:25 AM

DarkVader: It's hard to tell the scale from the photo.  It's almost like they didn't want us to figure out what it really is.


Yeah, they should have been more specific when they wrote "they found a 20-centimetre-long branch buried in the heap"
 
2014-04-23 03:01:19 AM

generallyso: China White Tea: Without a barrel to contain pressure, probably not a  disaster,really.

Probably not but I wouldn't take a bet to stand next to the fire under the assumption the 'container' was structurally insufficient to propel the bullets in a meaningful way.


Why is the fact that the logs were themselves a container not factoring in for ya?
 
2014-04-23 03:17:56 AM

chopit: Right.  Random girl randomly crawling over a random pile of wood where,  good lord, a random pile of bullets were found randomly drilled into a random pile of random wood.

Give me a break.  This was a setup from the start, and if you take little miss random into a random room and ask her random questions, she'll break down and tell you daddy was involved.

Ten bucks says the little girls were related to the perps.


Pretty much.  Close enough I'll agree with your sentiment.
 
Rat
2014-04-23 03:23:15 AM

IamAwake: generallyso: China White Tea: Without a barrel to contain pressure, probably not a  disaster,really.

Probably not but I wouldn't take a bet to stand next to the fire under the assumption the 'container' was structurally insufficient to propel the bullets in a meaningful way.

Why is the fact that the logs were themselves a container not factoring in for ya?


This is sort of a crude model, but think of it as trying to make your car run without cylinders.  Theres a lot of flash and bang, and the cylinders may move a bit, but your car isn't going any further down the road.  Thats what a barrel is for.  So, having the bullets nailed into the branch (which isn't a permanent structure therefore susceptible to recoil) doesn't mean they'll shoot into the dark distance and land in grandmas cheese covered grits at the Waffle House.  If I'm wrong about all that, lemme know as I've been misinformed about physics.

This doesn't mean that if you're standing too close to the fire you won't get burned, but hey, why put safety into Easter festivities.

™ and now, I'm off to Waffle House to check on gammy's grits.
 
2014-04-23 03:47:51 AM

China White Tea: It was due to be lit the next day, potentially igniting the cartridges and causing disaster.

Without a barrel to contain pressure, probably not a  disaster,really.


I was thinking the same thing, but also wonder if the drilled hole they are stuck in would somewhat act as a barrel.
 
2014-04-23 04:01:33 AM

chopit: Right.  Random girl randomly crawling over a random pile of wood where,  good lord, a random pile of bullets were found randomly drilled into a random pile of random wood.

Give me a break.  This was a setup from the start, and if you take little miss random into a random room and ask her random questions, she'll break down and tell you daddy was involved.

Ten bucks says the little girls were related to the perps.


i agree with this actually.

also, a lot of you have said it's hard to tell scale - the article says how long the piece of wood is:  "...they found a 20-centimetre-long branch..."  i don't know shiat about ammo, but if that's the case, based on the photo the casings are about 1cm at the base and maybe 5cm long, bullet included.  so in the neighborhood of the '7.62 x 39' in the photo helpfully provided by DarkVader.
 
Al!
2014-04-23 04:09:35 AM
I would be surprised if that killed someone.  The mass of the bullet vs the mass of the casing with the added force of being held in wood would be such that whichever projectile actually moved (the bullet or the casing and/or casing+log), it's movements would be a very small percentage of the total energy expended.
 
Al!
2014-04-23 04:16:59 AM
I should expand on my post:

The reason a rifle is deadly is because of the focused point of energy delivered to a small but relatively massive object.  This will not focus the energy properly, nor will it have the added weight of a human to prevent excessive recoil.  This is a failed attempt at worst.

I'm not saying it couldn't kill.  I'm saying death is a very low percentage outcome.  Injuries could certainly occur, and would be likely depending on the situation (meaning a 150' safety radius would likely result in zero near-misses, while no safety radius could result in dozens, and possibly several hits.)  It would be more accurately called shrapnel.
 
2014-04-23 04:35:21 AM

Mithiwithi: Let's not forget that if this log had made it into the fire, when these rounds' propellant ignited, it would have done so in the middle of a pile of burning wood. So rather than slugs spraying out like they were fired from a machine gun, we instead have an expanding cloud of burning wood fragments...


I have an expanding wood too, so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/only burns when I pee though
 
2014-04-23 05:04:49 AM

Tony_Pepperoni: Isn't it true that if you toss bullets in a fire only the shell casings would blow off and the bullets would only fly a few inches?


If loose, yeah. Jammed into a log? I dunno. Hasn't been tried, that I'm aware of. Is anybody seriously defending this as a "harmless prank"?
 
rpl
2014-04-23 05:15:54 AM

TheMega: Hmmmm.. appears to 7.62x54.. yes, some did actually get manufactured for a machine gun. Majority did not.. but, by all means, let's go with machine gun ammo even tho those are obviously not machine gun ammo. And, that's an assault log, too!!!!!


/god damned assault logs, anyhow
//what machine gun ammo might look like...
[i630.photobucket.com image 850x637]


Looks like a 5.56 to me. Article is the best kind of correct; they are used in machine guns too.
 
2014-04-23 05:43:45 AM

Wrencher: DarkVader: It's hard to tell the scale from the photo.  It's almost like they didn't want us to figure out what it really is.

Yeah, they should have been more specific when they wrote "they found a 20-centimetre-long branch buried in the heap"


Ok, so assuming that it's a 20cm stick, that means that the base of the cartridge is about 13mm and the bullet is just over 8mm.  Length is harder because of the angle, looks like between 80-85mm.   We can safely assume that the 20cm measurement is not precise, and the picture is fuzzy, so my measurements (done by stretching a 20mm ruler image to the length of the stick) are probably not all that accurate.

We can safely rule out 50 BMG, the only ammo I know of with "machine gun" in the name.  7.62x39 is only 56mm total length, so that's not it either.  7.62 NATO is 69.9mm long, and 8mm Mauser is 82mm overall length, so that seems most likely.  Assuming my bullet measurement is a bit off, 8mm Mauser is pretty close there too.  And with a base diameter of 11.94mm, it's pretty close to my base measurement too.  So, as suggested by Vern, I believe it's 8mm Mauser.

And it's been used in everything from bolt-action rifles to machine guns.  Calling it "machine gun cartridges" is likely being deliberately inflammatory.

As to the danger, the fire would cook off the ammo, no question there.  The wood would keep the brass from failing as fully, but isn't going to do much of anything to increase the energy transferred to the bullet, since it's not even fully confining the neck of the cartridge, let alone providing any kind of barrel.  I think we can effectively consider it to be roughly equivalent to the cook off of a loose cartridge.  If it's in the center of the fire, any other stick the bullet hits is going to stop it.  You'd get loud noises and possibly a few flying embers.  If it's near the edge, you'll get brass and bullets flying out of the fire.  As seen in the video I posted earlier, at a likely human distance from the fire the bullet could have enough energy to penetrate one layer of sheetrock.  It's absolutely harmless to someone wearing firefighter turn-out gear, but might slightly penetrate unprotected skin, and could cause eye damage to someone not wearing safety glasses.
 
2014-04-23 05:49:54 AM

DarkVader: Wrencher: DarkVader: It's hard to tell the scale from the photo.  It's almost like they didn't want us to figure out what it really is.

Yeah, they should have been more specific when they wrote "they found a 20-centimetre-long branch buried in the heap"

Ok, so assuming that it's a 20cm stick, that means that the base of the cartridge is about 13mm and the bullet is just over 8mm.  Length is harder because of the angle, looks like between 80-85mm.   We can safely assume that the 20cm measurement is not precise, and the picture is fuzzy, so my measurements (done by stretching a 20mm cm ruler image to the length of the stick) are probably not all that accurate.

We can safely rule out 50 BMG, the only ammo I know of with "machine gun" in the name.  7.62x39 is only 56mm total length, so that's not it either.  7.62 NATO is 69.9mm long, and 8mm Mauser is 82mm overall length, so that seems most likely.  Assuming my bullet measurement is a bit off, 8mm Mauser is pretty close there too.  And with a base diameter of 11.94mm, it's pretty close to my base measurement too.  So, as suggested by Vern, I believe it's 8mm Mauser.

And it's been used in everything from bolt-action rifles to machine guns.  Calling it "machine gun cartridges" is likely being deliberately inflammatory.

As to the danger, the fire would cook off the ammo, no question there.  The wood would keep the brass from failing as fully, but isn't going to do much of anything to increase the energy transferred to the bullet, since it's not even fully confining the neck of the cartridge, let alone providing any kind of barrel.  I think we can effectively consider it to be roughly equivalent to the cook off of a loose cartridge.  If it's in the center of the fire, any other stick the bullet hits is going to stop it.  You'd get loud noises and possibly a few flying embers.  If it's near the edge, you'll get brass and bullets flying out of the fire.  As seen in the video I posted earlier, at a likely human distance from ...


20cm ruler image.  FTFM, I'm only here because I'm having trouble sleeping tonight.
 
2014-04-23 05:54:39 AM

DarkVader: Wrencher: DarkVader: It's hard to tell the scale from the photo.  It's almost like they didn't want us to figure out what it really is.

Yeah, they should have been more specific when they wrote "they found a 20-centimetre-long branch buried in the heap"

Ok, so assuming that it's a 20cm stick, that means that the base of the cartridge is about 13mm and the bullet is just over 8mm.  Length is harder because of the angle, looks like between 80-85mm.   We can safely assume that the 20cm measurement is not precise, and the picture is fuzzy, so my measurements (done by stretching a 20mm ruler image to the length of the stick) are probably not all that accurate.

We can safely rule out 50 BMG, the only ammo I know of with "machine gun" in the name.  7.62x39 is only 56mm total length, so that's not it either.  7.62 NATO is 69.9mm long, and 8mm Mauser is 82mm overall length, so that seems most likely.  Assuming my bullet measurement is a bit off, 8mm Mauser is pretty close there too.  And with a base diameter of 11.94mm, it's pretty close to my base measurement too.  So, as suggested by Vern, I believe it's 8mm Mauser.

And it's been used in everything from bolt-action rifles to machine guns.  Calling it "machine gun cartridges" is likely being deliberately inflammatory.

As to the danger, the fire would cook off the ammo, no question there.  The wood would keep the brass from failing as fully, but isn't going to do much of anything to increase the energy transferred to the bullet, since it's not even fully confining the neck of the cartridge, let alone providing any kind of barrel.  I think we can effectively consider it to be roughly equivalent to the cook off of a loose cartridge.  If it's in the center of the fire, any other stick the bullet hits is going to stop it.  You'd get loud noises and possibly a few flying embers.  If it's near the edge, you'll get brass and bullets flying out of the fire.  As seen in the video I posted earlier, at a likely human distance from ...


I would thing 30cm or 50cm for the length of the piece of wood, as that seems the standard cut lengths here in Europe.
That would still make it most likely a 7.62 NATO round or 8mm mauser. I would not however deem that the use of machine-gun deliberately inflammatory, as the articles on The Local are translated from the original language.
 
2014-04-23 06:06:29 AM
Exciting and possibly harmful, but not lethal.

/whoever did this was a dick.
 
2014-04-23 06:22:07 AM

TenJed_77: I would thing 30cm or 50cm for the length of the piece of wood, as that seems the standard cut lengths here in Europe.
That would still make it most likely a 7.62 NATO round or 8mm mauser. I would not however deem that the use of machine-gun deliberately inflammatory, as the articles on The Local are translated from the original language.


Well, TFA does say 20cm.  A 30cm stick would increase my measurements by 50%.  .50 BMG is 138mm overall length, 12.95mm bullet diameter, and 20.4mm base diameter, and my measurement would be 120-128mm overall, 12mm bullet diameter, and 19.5mm base diameter.  So, if it's a 30mm stick, it's close to .50 BMG size ammo.

If it's a 50cm stick, it's safe to say it actually is machine gun ammo, since about the only thing close would be 20x139, with an overall length of 213mm, a base diameter of 28.5mm, and a 20mm shell diameter.  If that's true, it's also capable of being a high explosive shell.

I think we can safely say it's not 7.62 NATO even if it's a 20cm stick, though.
 
2014-04-23 06:53:20 AM

illannoyin: How is it machine gun ammo? Do machine guns take special ammo that can't be used in other types of guns of the same caliber?

/Asking for scientific reasons


C'mon, of course it is. It's jn the "ASSAULT RIFLE" ammo catagory and it's only used in mass killings and to kill children. They should ban it cause there's no reason anyone needs machine gun ammo. No one hunts with machine gun ammo.
 
2014-04-23 08:01:51 AM

NoahFenze: China White Tea: It was due to be lit the next day, potentially igniting the cartridges and causing disaster.

Without a barrel to contain pressure, probably not a  disaster,really.

Haven't bullets gone off in an oven? A disaster would be one of those hitting someone.. I think disaster was a good word.


In an oven?
Were they in a German Chocolate Cake?
 
2014-04-23 08:50:04 AM

chopit: Right.  Random girl randomly crawling over a random pile of wood where,  good lord, a random pile of bullets were found randomly drilled into a random pile of random wood.

Give me a break.  This was a setup from the start, and if you take little miss random into a random room and ask her random questions, she'll break down and tell you daddy was involved.

Ten bucks says the little girls were related to the perps.


Wouldn't shock me in the slightest.  As a kid, I climbed pretty much everything.  Everything but a pile of scrapwood piled for a bonfire.

Anyone know the physics involved here when these things exploded.  Would the brass casings pretty much fly off at higher speeds, and the lead slug just kind of fly off at low speed?  Would depend on how tightly each end of the bullet was wedged in the wood?
 
2014-04-23 09:21:43 AM

TheMega: Hmmmm.. appears to 7.62x54.. yes, some did actually get manufactured for a machine gun. Majority did not.. but, by all means, let's go with machine gun ammo even tho those are obviously not machine gun ammo. And, that's an assault log, too!!!!!


/god damned assault logs, anyhow
//what machine gun ammo might look like...


Nope, not x54. It's missing the rim. Looks kinda long for x39. Mebbe x51 (.308)
 
2014-04-23 09:39:00 AM

jso2897: Tony_Pepperoni: Isn't it true that if you toss bullets in a fire only the shell casings would blow off and the bullets would only fly a few inches?

If loose, yeah. Jammed into a log? I dunno. Hasn't been tried, that I'm aware of. Is anybody seriously defending this as a "harmless prank"?


Pretty much half the posters in this thread.
 
2014-04-23 09:53:15 AM

Chagrin: "machine gun" ammo. Next you'll tell us it's ammo for an AK-47.

/well, actually...


Or an SKS. Which isn't a machine gun.
 
2014-04-23 09:58:26 AM
Ker_Thwap:

Anyone know the physics involved here when these things exploded.  Would the brass casings pretty much fly off at higher speeds, and the lead slug just kind of fly off at low speed?  Would depend on how tightly each end of the bullet was wedged in the wood?

Equal and opposite and all of that.  Not a gun man, but I'm guessing the slug weighs a good bit more than the casing.  A round that is set off loose (say in a fire) would have most of the energy spread outwards, with the casing flying off of the bullet much faster than the slug would be moving away from the casing (though both moving FAR slower than the slug would be if fired from a barrel, where almost all of the energy goes to propelling the slug alone.

I could see a few situations in the wood, in order from least to most likely
(1) The casing is stuck in the wood, and the slug is loose, causing it to be expelled.  Since the slug would be pushing off against the mass of the casing+log, it would have some speed (but again not near barrel velocity).  If the log was braced against other logs, it could move fast enough to cause serious injury (not blasting a hole through anyone, but could still cause an injury)

(2) The slug is stuck, and the casing flies out backwards.  The casing would be moving quickly, but doesn't have much mass, and likely wouldn't do much damage unless it got someone in the eye.  It would be hot from the fire and could cause burns or start a fire

(3) Most likely: The wood would be weak (from the fire) and would explode in a shower of sparks.  Slug/casing wouldn't really go anyway (energy went to the wood).  Splinters may cause minor damage, but fire could easily be spread if the wood is burning at the time and it leaves the fireplace.

In short: Chance of severe injury is very very low, chance of minor injury is present, chance of no injury is high.  Chance of disaster is nil, but chance of something not nice is significant.
(1) the slug mostly stays put and the casing shoots backwards.  The
 
2014-04-23 10:25:51 AM
PhDemented: (1) the slug mostly stays put and the casing shoots backwards. The

FTFM
Posting Fail
 
2014-04-23 10:52:16 AM
"machine gun ammo"
*rolls eyes*
 
2014-04-23 10:53:36 AM
mutterfark


♪ And a cartridge in a dead tree...♪

THAT should have been the headline.

/still laughing at that.
 
2014-04-23 10:56:05 AM
That log only holds 9 rounds. So that would be legal in CA and NY?
 
2014-04-23 11:01:52 AM

stevetherobot: jso2897: Tony_Pepperoni: Isn't it true that if you toss bullets in a fire only the shell casings would blow off and the bullets would only fly a few inches?

If loose, yeah. Jammed into a log? I dunno. Hasn't been tried, that I'm aware of. Is anybody seriously defending this as a "harmless prank"?

Pretty much half the posters in this thread.


No, we're saying it's dangerous, and that there is a small chance of someone being slightly injured, and a very very small chance of it putting somebody's eye out, unless it's actually not a 20cm log as it was described in TFA, but a 50cm long log, in which case there's a chance that somebody actually used 20x139 autocannon cartridges with a high explosive shell, in which case there's a good chance of serious injury.

But since that's almost certainly not the case, and since if it weren't noticed it would almost certainly have ended up near the center of the fire, the likely result would be about the same as tossing a few firecrackers in the bonfire, some loud noises and some sparks.
 
2014-04-23 11:05:30 AM

OnlyM3: That log only holds 9 rounds. So that would be legal in CA and NY?


I'm going with yes, since CA's magazine limit is 10 rounds, and NY's 7 round limit got tossed by a federal judge.
 
2014-04-23 11:15:32 AM
Only gun nuts give even the slightest flying fark about the use of the phrase "machine gun ammo."


Yes, they should have said rifle ammo to keep pedantic people from losing their goddamn minds
 
2014-04-23 11:18:40 AM
Also, that assault log may not actually be able to harm anyone but whoever took the time to make that stupid thing sure as hell thought it would.
 
2014-04-23 11:33:38 AM

dascott: Only gun nuts give even the slightest flying fark about the use of the phrase "machine gun ammo."


Yes, they should have said rifle ammo to keep pedantic people from losing their goddamn minds


Yes, they should have said rifle ammo.  But not just to keep pedantic people happy, but also to display some journalistic integrity, and to avoid being unnecessarily inflammatory.

dascott: Also, that assault log may not actually be able to harm anyone but whoever took the time to make that stupid thing sure as hell thought it would.


That's one possibility.  Alternatively, whoever took the time to make it knew it would be either discovered or in a location in the fire where it would be a harmless noisemaker.  Since we don't even know who made it, we certainly don't have a motive.
 
2014-04-23 12:05:12 PM

DarkVader: dascott: Only gun nuts give even the slightest flying fark about the use of the phrase "machine gun ammo."


Yes, they should have said rifle ammo to keep pedantic people from losing their goddamn minds

Yes, they should have said rifle ammo.  But not just to keep pedantic people happy, but also to display some journalistic integrity, and to avoid being unnecessarily inflammatory.

dascott: Also, that assault log may not actually be able to harm anyone but whoever took the time to make that stupid thing sure as hell thought it would.

That's one possibility.  Alternatively, whoever took the time to make it knew it would be either discovered or in a location in the fire where it would be a harmless noisemaker.  Since we don't even know who made it, we certainly don't have a motive.


Inflammatory perhaps to a handful of people with wadded-up panties over such things.  Whose predictable thread-shiatting derail vagina-weeping every time a magazine is called a "clip" or a semi-auto rifle an "assault weapon" makes me want to grab them and shout NOBODY GIVES A fark BUT YOU.

And no, I think it is quite safe to assume that someone intended to do harm.  There are easier ways to make a "harmless noisemaker."
 
2014-04-23 01:23:31 PM

John's Long Mustache: Is there any chance the bullets could have been used in a bolt action or single shot rifle and not a machine gun?  Are they marked machine gun only?


Let's see, the current tally seems to be that they are 7.62x54R (the R stands for Rimmed) or .50 BMG (which is what it looks like to me). The 7.62x54R is commonly used in the SVD rifle:

ilarge.listal.com

The .50 BMG is most commonly used in the Browning M2 Machine Gun, however an enterprising gentleman about 30 minutes from me invented the second most common rifle to use the round: the Barrett M82 Rifle. You have seen pictures of it countless times since it was adopted by many nations as a high powered sniper platform and anti-materiel rifle.

upload.wikimedia.org
So yes, the article's use of the phrase "Machine Gun Bullets" is both incorrect (on two levels, as they are cartridges, not bullets) and sensationalist.
 
2014-04-23 03:57:12 PM

washington-babylon: John's Long Mustache: Is there any chance the bullets could have been used in a bolt action or single shot rifle and not a machine gun?  Are they marked machine gun only?

Let's see, the current tally seems to be that they are 7.62x54R (the R stands for Rimmed) or .50 BMG (which is what it looks like to me). The 7.62x54R is commonly used in the SVD rifle:

[ilarge.listal.com image 850x162]

The .50 BMG is most commonly used in the Browning M2 Machine Gun, however an enterprising gentleman about 30 minutes from me invented the second most common rifle to use the round: the Barrett M82 Rifle. You have seen pictures of it countless times since it was adopted by many nations as a high powered sniper platform and anti-materiel rifle.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]
So yes, the article's use of the phrase "Machine Gun Bullets" is both incorrect (on two levels, as they are cartridges, not bullets) and sensationalist.


Those cartridges are not rimmed....

If the article is correct about the length of the log, they're almost certainly 8mm (7.92x57) Mauser.

It works in machine guns like this one:

upload.wikimedia.org

But also in bolt-action hunting rifles like this:

www.huntingriflesreviews.com
 
2014-04-23 04:43:23 PM

DarkVader: washington-babylon: John's Long Mustache: Is there any chance the bullets could have been used in a bolt action or single shot rifle and not a machine gun?  Are they marked machine gun only?

Let's see, the current tally seems to be that they are 7.62x54R (the R stands for Rimmed) or .50 BMG (which is what it looks like to me). The 7.62x54R is commonly used in the SVD rifle:

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The .50 BMG is most commonly used in the Browning M2 Machine Gun, however an enterprising gentleman about 30 minutes from me invented the second most common rifle to use the round: the Barrett M82 Rifle. You have seen pictures of it countless times since it was adopted by many nations as a high powered sniper platform and anti-materiel rifle.

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So yes, the article's use of the phrase "Machine Gun Bullets" is both incorrect (on two levels, as they are cartridges, not bullets) and sensationalist.

Those cartridges are not rimmed....

If the article is correct about the length of the log, they're almost certainly 8mm (7.92x57) Mauser.

It works in machine guns like this one:

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But also in bolt-action hunting rifles like this:

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So is the final consensus 8mm mauser? If so, it still bears out the point: this isn't a "Machine Gun Bullet" (can we stop calling "cartridges" "bullets" already, journalists?) as the article says, it is just a plain old commonly found German rifle cartridge.

As a side note, I did some digging and found an actual Machine Gun Cartridge. As in "exclusively used for a Machine Gun (for now)".  Check it out: LSAT Caseless Ammunition.

/The current testbed is a LMG, but I could see it being expanded to other platforms after further testing.
 
2014-04-24 12:09:23 AM
I wonder if the anti-gunners are getting tired of being mocked for their ignorance yet?  Seemed to be no fervor in this thread at all.
 
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