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2014-04-22 05:59:05 PM  
Just more proof the TSA should be disbanded.
 
2014-04-22 06:01:14 PM  
They smoke where it says "No Smoking" LOL what a funny prank!
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They molest children while their parents watch and sometimes even assist the molester LOL so funny!
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They sleep on the job so can they dream up new pranks!
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2014-04-22 06:01:20 PM  
I'm neutral on the TSA. I just wonder, if there's ever another 9/11 or something akin to it, if people will scream "Why didn't the TSA do something?!"
 
2014-04-22 06:03:19 PM  

TerminalEchoes: I'm neutral on the TSA. I just wonder, if there's ever another 9/11 or something akin to it, if people will scream "Why didn't the TSA do something?!"


Stupid people will.
 
2014-04-22 06:05:48 PM  

TerminalEchoes: I'm neutral on the TSA. I just wonder, if there's ever another 9/11 or something akin to it, if people will scream "Why didn't the TSA do something?!"


I'm pro TSA. It gives "special people" a well paid job, and some self-respect. Like Goodwill.
 
2014-04-22 06:08:50 PM  
I like to imagine Cracked, Opposing Views, and The Consumerist locked in a dark, windowless room with only a single knife, lead pipe, and nail-studded club lying on the floor. The room stays locked until only one of them remains standing. That one gets to continue having greenlights on Fark.
 
2014-04-22 06:11:40 PM  
#5. Baggage Hijinks and Wholesale Theft Happen More Often Than You Think

This could not possibly be happening more often than I think it's happening.
 
2014-04-22 06:12:21 PM  

TerminalEchoes: I'm neutral on the TSA. I just wonder, if there's ever another 9/11 or something akin to it, if people will scream "Why didn't the TSA do something?!"


They're doing what they can, which admittedly isn't much.

I just wanted to address this one bullet point in the article:

#5. Baggage Hijinks and Wholesale Theft Happen More Often Than You Think

I don't think so.  I assume anything worth more than $20 that I put into my baggage will be stolen.  I consider myself lucky if it's not.

But thanks for adding "Hijinks" to my fears.  Now not only will I expect anything more valuable than my underwear to be stolen from my baggage I am now going to have to worry that some TSA agent jacked off in my underwear.
 
2014-04-22 06:21:52 PM  
TSA = workfare. Its basically a program to have a place to park urban GED-holders so they aren't on the street robbing people.
 
2014-04-22 06:24:25 PM  

gfid: But thanks for adding "Hijinks" to my fears.  Now not only will I expect anything more valuable than my underwear to be stolen from my baggage I am now going to have to worry that some TSA agent jacked off in my underwear.


Pack Depends or go commando?
 
2014-04-22 06:25:15 PM  
I stopped reading cracked when I realized most articles are bull shiat and you should too
 
2014-04-22 06:27:25 PM  
I once had to do a full body scan (L3 type) and a sweat patch on my back showed up as a couple yellow squares. The guy then had to pat down my sweaty back and as I turned around to nod and continue on I noticed he had no gloves on.

Also, I once flew from Costa Rica back to Canada with a bottle of Blue Label in my bag. Made it intact. That was a very nervous flight.
 
2014-04-22 06:28:29 PM  
When these are your recruiting tools, it's no wonder we have who we have at the "security" checkpoints.

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2014-04-22 06:29:36 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: I once had to do a full body scan (L3 type) and a sweat patch on my back showed up as a couple yellow squares. The guy then had to pat down my sweaty back and as I turned around to nod and continue on I noticed he had no gloves on.

Also, I once flew from Costa Rica back to Canada with a bottle of Blue Label in my bag. Made it intact. That was a very nervous flight.



Sweat and baggy (and pleated) pants produce a lot of false positives on that scanner.
 
2014-04-22 06:31:43 PM  

LessO2: Sweat and baggy (and pleated) pants produce a lot of false positives on that scanner.


Strange for a system built by sweaty, baggy engineers...
 
2014-04-22 06:33:10 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I like to imagine Cracked, Opposing Views, and The Consumerist locked in a dark, windowless room with only a single knife, lead pipe, and nail-studded club lying on the floor. The room stays locked until only one of them remains standing. That one gets to continue having greenlights on Fark.


I agree WHOLEFARKINGHEARTEDLY.
 
2014-04-22 06:33:23 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: #5. Baggage Hijinks and Wholesale Theft Happen More Often Than You Think

This could not possibly be happening more often than I think it's happening.


This is why I NEVER check bags. I have two pieces and both are carry-on legal.
 
2014-04-22 06:34:05 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: LessO2: Sweat and baggy (and pleated) pants produce a lot of false positives on that scanner.

Strange for a system built by sweaty, baggy engineers...



It's not in there for its effectiveness.   The Germans tested the machine and said it gets a 50% false-positive rate.  They declined.
 
2014-04-22 06:36:09 PM  
#7: loss of 4th amendment of the bill  of rights
#8: loss of 1st amendment of the bill of rights.
 
2014-04-22 06:36:15 PM  
fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.
 
2014-04-22 06:49:01 PM  

Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.


You sound angry.  Have you been through many airports?  You had to take off your jacket and belt and empty your pockets?   This is an outrage!

Yeah, I know it's kind of an inconvenience, but grow the fark up.  I would expect people who have served in the military would be used to a little inconvenience.

I appreciate your service to our country but your fancy dress uniform does't mean shiat out here in the civilian world.
 
2014-04-22 06:51:39 PM  

Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.


This is why my wife stopped using her military ID when she has to fly.  I met a former TSA agent who said that they're required to do a certain number of pat downs no matter what.  They are MORE likely to pat you down if you're military, because you're less likely to complain.  Regular folks will biatch and moan, and generally make it an even bigger pain than it is.  Military people are used to following orders, and will usually go without complaint.
 
2014-04-22 07:07:18 PM  

LessO2: It's not in there for its effectiveness.   The Germans tested the machine and said it gets a 50% false-positive rate.  They declined.


Nice. I wonder if they tested voting machines?

I also wonder why I have to go through a scanner to fly to the States but no farks are given about domestic flights... I think a lot while I fly..
 
2014-04-22 07:10:15 PM  

Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.


I'd make a point to search ANYONE in combat fatigues because who knows what they forgot in their pockets. That being said, I'm normally stripped to a stiff drink from being naked.
 
2014-04-22 07:11:30 PM  

devildog123: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

This is why my wife stopped using her military ID when she has to fly.  I met a former TSA agent who said that they're required to do a certain number of pat downs no matter what.  They are MORE likely to pat you down if you're military, because you're less likely to complain.  Regular folks will biatch and moan, and generally make it an even bigger pain than it is.  Military people are used to following orders, and will usually go without complaint.


Lol I didnt complain, but when it seems like they are profiling someone in uniform it's a bit enervating. Before me, the line moved rather quick, almost as if they were ignoring some of their search protocols. Got to me and i was there for almost half an hour. Best part that I left out before: after wanding me down they found something in a pocket..... A lousy coin i missed when emptying my pockets. So then they proceded to do a pat down like a damn criminal.
 
2014-04-22 07:13:36 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: LessO2: It's not in there for its effectiveness.   The Germans tested the machine and said it gets a 50% false-positive rate.  They declined.

Nice. I wonder if they tested voting machines?

I also wonder why I have to go through a scanner to fly to the States but no farks are given about domestic flights... I think a lot while I fly..


Rules are set by the U.S. for flights to the U.S.  Also why you don't have to take off shoes for inter-Canadian flights too.
 
2014-04-22 07:16:17 PM  

gfid: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

You sound angry.  Have you been through many airports?  You had to take off your jacket and belt and empty your pockets?   This is an outrage!

Yeah, I know it's kind of an inconvenience, but grow the fark up.  I would expect people who have served in the military would be used to a little inconvenience.

I appreciate your service to our country but your fancy dress uniform does't mean shiat out here in the civilian world.


That wouldn't normally have bothered me, because when I wasnt in uniform i was searched the same as others. This day, the line was moving rather fast, almost as if they were ignoring some of their search protocol for the general public. Guy in uniform walks up? Lets keep him here and fark with him for half an hour. The part i left out before as well: after wanding me they got the telltale "beep" of a metal object in my pocket...... It was a farking coin i missed while emptying my pockets..... Then they had the balls to frisk me and pat me down like a god damn criminal. If thats not profiling, I don't know what is. Maybe I'm making a big deal out of it, maybe not.
 
2014-04-22 07:25:27 PM  

LessO2: Rules are set by the U.S. for flights to the U.S.  Also why you don't have to take off shoes for inter-Canadian flights too.


Well it's better if you do, if they're the type to set off the metal detectors. Do you have to go through a scanner for a domestic flight in the states?
 
2014-04-22 07:30:59 PM  

Dirty J1: gfid: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

You sound angry.  Have you been through many airports?  You had to take off your jacket and belt and empty your pockets?   This is an outrage!

Yeah, I know it's kind of an inconvenience, but grow the fark up.  I would expect people who have served in the military would be used to a little inconvenience.

I appreciate your service to our country but your fancy dress uniform does't mean shiat out here in the civilian world.

That wouldn't normally have bothered me, because when I wasnt in uniform i was searched the same as others. This day, the line was moving rather fast, almost as if they were ignoring some of their search protocol for the general public. Guy in uniform walks up? Lets keep him here and fark with him for half an hour. The part i left out before as well: after wanding me they got the telltale "beep" of a metal object in my pocket...... It was a farking coin i missed while emptying my pockets..... Then they had the balls to frisk me and pat me down like a god damn criminal. If thats not profiling, I don't know what is. Maybe I'm making a big deal out of it, maybe not.


I fly about 5 times/year, and since 9/11, I have never been singled out for special treatment until this last fall.  This last fall, three out of four times I was given the full scan and pat down and a test for powders on the back of my hand (one time I had a crushed mint in my back pocket that made it through my laundry).  Just a weird coincidence is what I take from it.

With a dress uniform, there are many parts that the TSA would declare as being metallic.  As mentioned above thread, only the US makes everyone take off your shoes.  That said, I've been wanded for random forgotten coins, just not fully patted down like what happened last fall.
 
2014-04-22 07:33:41 PM  

Tr0mBoNe: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

I'd make a point to search ANYONE in combat fatigues because who knows what they forgot in their pockets. That being said, I'm normally stripped to a stiff drink from being naked.


Wasn't combat fatigues, was dress blues.... And those jackets are a pain in the ass to put on sometimes, making the whole "take your jacket off" airport deal a worse kick in the balls.
 
2014-04-22 07:36:09 PM  

Combustion: TerminalEchoes: I'm neutral on the TSA. I just wonder, if there's ever another 9/11 or something akin to it, if people will scream "Why didn't the TSA do something?!"

I'm pro TSA. It gives "special people" a well paid job, and some self-respect. Like Goodwill.


By special you mean "anyone jobless during a bad economy" and a large % of veterans.
 
2014-04-22 07:39:31 PM  
Walker

They molest children while their parents watch and sometimes even assist the molester LOL so funny!
Obama promised change. Thank the idiot voters.

// remember when bush was bashed becuse the TSA just ordered you to take off your shoes? How they sexually molest us and obama's the Vaterland hero.
 
2014-04-22 07:43:11 PM  
F22raptom

I stopped reading cracked when I realized most articles are bull shiat and you should too
Which of the claims in this article are you professing to be false. Be specific.
 
2014-04-22 07:44:36 PM  
I am a white frumpy 50ish male. There is nothing whatsoever intimidating about me. I ooze law-abiding. When I travel for business, I usually am alone. I am almost always pulled out of line for an enhanced search. I am pretty sure the reason is that TSA knows that I am not going to give them a lot of crap and that they are not going to get in trouble for racial profiling. I have had small wrenches (2 inches long) confiscated. Given ten years or more, I may have been able to disassemble my arm rest.
 
2014-04-22 07:45:43 PM  

LessO2: When these are your recruiting tools, it's no wonder we have who we have at the "security" checkpoints.


Cheap ads, or people who use gas and eat pizza are inferior? :)
 
2014-04-22 07:49:00 PM  

devildog123: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

This is why my wife stopped using her military ID when she has to fly.  I met a former TSA agent who said that they're required to do a certain number of pat downs no matter what.  They are MORE likely to pat you down if you're military, because you're less likely to complain.  Regular folks will biatch and moan, and generally make it an even bigger pain than it is.  Military people are used to following orders, and will usually go without complaint.


Military should get a pass. None of them are violent and they never shoot stuff up, so they should be able to skip security procedures.
 
2014-04-22 08:07:26 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I like to imagine Cracked, Opposing Views, and The Consumerist locked in a dark, windowless room with only a single knife, lead pipe, and nail-studded club lying on the floor. The room stays locked until only one of them remains standing. That one gets to continue having greenlights on Fark.


Sorry, but I poisoned all the bottled water they had before the fight.  The only winners here are ourselves.
 
2014-04-22 08:30:03 PM  

Smackledorfer: devildog123: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

This is why my wife stopped using her military ID when she has to fly.  I met a former TSA agent who said that they're required to do a certain number of pat downs no matter what.  They are MORE likely to pat you down if you're military, because you're less likely to complain.  Regular folks will biatch and moan, and generally make it an even bigger pain than it is.  Military people are used to following orders, and will usually go without complaint.

Military should get a pass. None of them are violent and they never shoot stuff up, so they should be able to skip security procedures.


Your sarcasm is noted. Unjustified, but noted. Compared to the general population, military personnel are younger, better educated, healthier, and have far less history or incidence of criminal activity and drug use. Even balanced against PTSD, suicide, and TBI rates that are horrendous, it's still a far safer bet to trust an American in uniform than a member of the general population.
 
2014-04-22 08:35:57 PM  

Dirty J1: Wasn't combat fatigues, was dress blues.... And those jackets are a pain in the ass to put on sometimes, making the whole "take your jacket off" airport deal a worse kick in the balls.


For sure... I'm with ya, buddy. I remember once being in the Black Rose in Boston and a fully decked out marine sergeant (not sure the actual rank but saw at least 3 chevs) walk in. He got a decent amount of respect and people were offering to buy him drinks left and right... I couldn't figure out why he even went into the place... never took an offered drink and didn't buy one himself. Knowing how hilarious and enjoyable boot polishing and ironing is, I can't figure out why he would go in that hive of scum and east coast villainy. One of those drunken mysteries, I guess.
 
2014-04-22 08:38:17 PM  

Dirty J1: gfid: Dirty J1: fark flying.... Every time I've had to go through airport security I've been hassled. One time i was going home to see family wearing my marine corps dress uniform. These assholes made me take off my jacket, belt, shoes, and empty my pockets. Then they wanded me for no apparent reason. What assholes, because if anyone was going to foil a hijacking on my flight, or at least attempt to, it would have been me.....until that experience. After that I prayed someone would hijack the plane so i could just sit there and do nothing out of spite. Maybe even offer some helpful tips to the hijacker.

You sound angry.  Have you been through many airports?  You had to take off your jacket and belt and empty your pockets?   This is an outrage!

Yeah, I know it's kind of an inconvenience, but grow the fark up.  I would expect people who have served in the military would be used to a little inconvenience.

I appreciate your service to our country but your fancy dress uniform does't mean shiat out here in the civilian world.

That wouldn't normally have bothered me, because when I wasnt in uniform i was searched the same as others. This day, the line was moving rather fast, almost as if they were ignoring some of their search protocol for the general public. Guy in uniform walks up? Lets keep him here and fark with him for half an hour. The part i left out before as well: after wanding me they got the telltale "beep" of a metal object in my pocket...... It was a farking coin i missed while emptying my pockets..... Then they had the balls to frisk me and pat me down like a god damn criminal. If thats not profiling, I don't know what is. Maybe I'm making a big deal out of it, maybe not.


Sometimes you get special treatment, sometimes you don't.  I remember getting it once and I wasn't wearing a uniform.  The wand went off around my waistline because I was wearing Levi's with the little rivets.  The guy asked me what I had in my pockets.   Well, I actually only had a few toothpicks in my pockets.  He let me on the airplane anyway.

My other favorite trips through security:

* I kept leaving the secured area to go smoke cigarettes and each time coming back through security the foil in my cigarette pack set off the metal detectors.  The 3rd and final time I went through the guy recognized me and just said "fark it" and didn't bother to check.

* I was drinking and had a bottle of 151 proof rum in my bag.  Security guy sees it and tells me to talk to "the guy in the orange vest" who was at the end of the security checkpoint.  "The guy in the orange vest" wasn't paying attention.  I just kept on walking.

* And the best was when lighters were prohibited.  They actually caught me with a Bic lighter...and they told me I wasn't allowed to take it on the plane and to throw it away before I boarded.  Yeah, okay.  Sure thing.  Of course I boarded the airplane with that lighter.  What is this?  Security by the honor system or something?

I flew a lot when lighters were prohibited on planes and the TSA only noticed 2 of my lighters.  There was that one that they trusted me to throw away before I boarded and the other one they actually confiscated.  It was okay though because when I smoked, I rarely traveled with only one lighter and I had another one in my pocket.

How much damage could you actually cause with a Bic lighter on an airplane?  I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "not much".
 
2014-04-22 08:38:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Your sarcasm is noted. Unjustified, but noted. Compared to the general population, military personnel are younger, better educated, healthier, and have far less history or incidence of criminal activity and drug use. Even balanced against PTSD, suicide, and TBI rates that are horrendous, it's still a far safer bet to trust an American in uniform than a member of the general population.


My sarcasm is there because fark gets a hard-on for the greatness and superiority of the military some of the time, and then hates them the rest of the time. It is inconsistent. But I thought the militarization of the police, and even the hiring of retired military to that job, was terrible because all the cops are evil violent sadists as a result?  And all the TSA agents themselves are retarded morons (again according to the bulk of fark), despite it being made up of more veterans than other jobs.

Finally, I've seen plenty of studies saying soldiers who saw combat are more likely to wind up arrested for violent crimes than civilians.

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/14/17316693-study-combat- so ldiers-more-likely-to-commit-violent-crimes


That said, risk of being involved in a generally violent act really has little bearing or connection to the chance of committing a mass-shooting or terrorist act. I couldn't tell you how shiat breaks down in that regard , but I will say the moment we decide a guy dressed up in uniform gets less attention from security (not that TSA is much more than theater anyways, but hypothetically...) then I really wouldn't be surprised to find that path beyond security used by the terrorists.

So ya, sorry, but serving in the military shouldn't make you any more immune to the stupid rules everyone else puts up with at the airport.  You are welcome to an alternate opinion.
 
2014-04-22 08:55:21 PM  

LemSkroob: TSA = workfare. Its basically a program to have a place to park urban GED-holders so they aren't on the street robbing people.


It's cute when the disenfranchised get some power to abuse.
 
2014-04-22 09:01:23 PM  

Smackledorfer: So ya, sorry, but serving in the military shouldn't make you any more immune to the stupid rules everyone else puts up with at the airport.  You are welcome to an alternate opinion.


Strangely enough, my opinion is that we should stop the stupid dog and pony show molest, take nekkid pictures, and grope security theater at our airports. It's a blatant violation of Amendment IV and of our right to travel.
 
2014-04-22 09:02:48 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Smackledorfer: So ya, sorry, but serving in the military shouldn't make you any more immune to the stupid rules everyone else puts up with at the airport.  You are welcome to an alternate opinion.

Strangely enough, my opinion is that we should stop the stupid dog and pony show molest, take nekkid pictures,

steal stuff, and grope security theater at our airports. It's a blatant violation of Amendment IV and of our right to travel.

FTFM.
 
2014-04-22 09:17:44 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Smackledorfer: So ya, sorry, but serving in the military shouldn't make you any more immune to the stupid rules everyone else puts up with at the airport.  You are welcome to an alternate opinion.

Strangely enough, my opinion is that we should stop the stupid dog and pony show molest, take nekkid pictures, and grope security theater at our airports. It's a blatant violation of Amendment IV and of our right to travel.


Were metal detectors also a violation of the 4th?

How about security at courtrooms?

I agree tsa is security theater and not necessary fwiw
 
2014-04-22 09:28:13 PM  
No thank I think I'll walk.
 
2014-04-22 09:40:45 PM  

Smackledorfer: demaL-demaL-yeH: Smackledorfer: So ya, sorry, but serving in the military shouldn't make you any more immune to the stupid rules everyone else puts up with at the airport.  You are welcome to an alternate opinion.

Strangely enough, my opinion is that we should stop the stupid dog and pony show molest, take nekkid pictures, and grope security theater at our airports. It's a blatant violation of Amendment IV and of our right to travel.

Were metal detectors also a violation of the 4th?

How about security at courtrooms?

I agree tsa is security theater and not necessary fwiw


Metal detectors were not:
1. No lasting records or physical contact.
2. Extremely limited scope and for a very limited purpose.
3. Back when, the detectors were run by private corporations, and not by sworn government employees enforcing government rules.
Courtrooms:
1. Clear and  present danger. Every judge I know, and I know more than a few, has received credible threats.
2. No physical contact or lasting records.
3. Extremely limited scope and for the limited purpose of keeping weapons out of courtrooms.
 
2014-04-22 10:24:52 PM  

gfid: How much damage could you actually cause with a Bic lighter on an airplane? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "not much".


You could use it to light the bomb you keep in your underpants, or your shoe, or both. ;)
 
2014-04-23 02:20:14 AM  

gfid: How much damage could you actually cause with a Bic lighter on an airplane? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say "not much".


Not much, unless you also happened to have a bottle of flammable liquid such as 151-proof rum.
 
2014-04-23 11:15:25 AM  

MBrady: http://petergreenberg.com/2009/09/15/lessons-of-911-the-travel-detect i ve-talks-travel-safety-and-security-with-colonel-jack-jacobs/

A pilot for Continental Airlines. And this didn't happen to her once, but it happened four or five times over the course of five months. She was going through security as all of us do, and the TSA agent confiscated her nail clippers saying they were a dangerous item. She looked at him and said, "Where do you think I'm going after I leave this security area? I'm going to be a commander of an airplane. I think I can do a whole lot more damage sitting in the left seat than these nail clippers can."

A pilot for Delta [who also had his nail clippers confiscated]. He said, "I'm the pilot," and they said, "It doesn't matter. It's on our list and we have no discretion." He said the following, "If you look at my book, I've got to check out the aircraft before we take off. I'm flying a 757. If you look at the last page, it tells me as my last requirement before I close up the aircraft, I have to turn around and make sure the fire axe is on the bulkhead. I've got an axe. What do I need a pair of nail clippers for?" They didn't laugh at that either.

tsa "security" anyone?


While I agree the nail clippers bit is stupid, let us take a weapon that is dangerous but not as dangerous as an axe. Like a knife.

Now, the pilot has an axe, but it is an axe that remains on his/her plane.  The knife the pilot smuggles through security can be handed off to someone to wield in an attack on another plane, stole from the pilot, or carelessly left laying around. Thus, regardless of access to an axe in the plane itself, the integrity of the secure area must be preserved in the rest of the airport.

And again, in case I've not said this enough in this and other tsa threads: I think the entire thing is over-the-top security theater.  But there have always been secure areas within airports, and basic security measures 101 says you don't let people fill the secure area with banned items. One inch pocket knives have been banned for over thirty years (I got yelled at when I was six for having one in my pocket that the metal detector picked up). Things are at a pants-wetting extreme right now, but the overall concepts of security are not new.
 
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