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2014-04-22 01:13:53 PM
Obama's time machine strikes again.
 
2014-04-22 01:19:53 PM
Federal judges disagree.
 
2014-04-22 01:22:09 PM
Another right-wing principle carved in bedrock: they support the full enforcement of the law, except when they don't.
 
2014-04-22 01:24:14 PM
Even if his family was there in the 1870s...  the Federal Government, which he hates, paid for the troops that took Nevada from Mexico and for the ones that "pacified" local tribes. His ancestors wouldn't have had land to farm if it wasn't for the federal government. So maybe he should STFU and pay the money he owes.
 
2014-04-22 01:27:25 PM
Bundy and his supporters can suck a hot turd from my sweaty ass. I hope he ends up destitute or in prison.
 
2014-04-22 01:29:38 PM
bluenovaman: I hope he ends up destitute or in prison.

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2014-04-22 01:32:38 PM

kbronsito: Even if his family was there in the 1870s...   the Federal Government, which he hates, paid for the troops that took Nevada from Mexico and for the ones that "pacified" local tribes. His ancestors wouldn't have had land to farm if it wasn't for the federal government. So maybe he should STFU and pay the money he owes.


Also, from the Nevada State Constitution:

Nevada's constitution specifically mentions the rights of the Federal Government, stating at Article 1, Section 2, "The Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States...whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority."

LINK

Nothing this douche says is backed up anywhere by anyone outside of his own f*cked-up head
 
2014-04-22 01:40:39 PM
That's all fine and good, but he doesn't recognize time as even existing.
 
2014-04-22 01:42:28 PM

kbronsito: Even if his family was there in the 1870s...  the Federal Government, which he hates, paid for the troops that took Nevada from Mexico and for the ones that "pacified" local tribes. His ancestors wouldn't have had land to farm if it wasn't for the federal government. So maybe he should STFU and pay the money he owes.


His entire claim is based on the concept of "eminent domain" or "prescriptive easement" which holds that if you think yo own a piece of land, act like you own it and do it open and notoriously for long enough it actually becomes yours.  His claim however is  a cascading  series of fail the like of which I haven;t seen outside a law school exam question

1) Eminent domain does not, and cannot work against the government  ever.  Period. full stop.

2) "Claim of right"  is an element to eminent domain.  Meaning you have to have some reason to believe you really do own the land.  He has none.   Also "claim of right" almost always fails if you fail to carry out the legal responsibilities of a land owner such as insuring the land or paying property taxes on it

3) "Hostile" possession  ie living there or using it without the permission of the landowner is also a necessary element.  The fact that he paid grazing fees until 1992 when he suddenly stop means that the "hostile" use of the land would not begin until 1992, but more importantly also destroys his "claim of right" argument since his payment of fees makes it clear he knew he did NOT own the land

4) it must be "open and continuous" use.   bucket-loads of case law have established that  seasonal grazing of cattle, while not erecting improvements on the land is neither open nor continuous use of land.


Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting permits for a giant, clothing optional, gay friend, anything goes, festival with no rules, no sound limits, and most importantly, no porta-potties for him and his 50,000 closest friends.

(he's kidding...I think..)
 
2014-04-22 01:44:09 PM
Like he gives a rat's ass. His family's owning the land still predates the federal government since, in his eyes, the federal government has never existed.
 
2014-04-22 01:46:29 PM
I guess he did get a bit screwed by the BLM.  Of course, his option to fix that was court....where he lost.  That's it.  End of story.  You don't get to then stop paying grazing fees, and claim land you don't own.  Even if the reason for this in the first place had to do with a government scheme to sell land to some solar company or otherwise find a "better/different" use for the land.
 
2014-04-22 01:47:25 PM
Is this the clown-painting murderer Bundy, the four-touchdowns-in-a-single-game Bundy, or some other guy?
 
2014-04-22 01:47:57 PM

Magorn: kbronsito: Even if his family was there in the 1870s...  the Federal Government, which he hates, paid for the troops that took Nevada from Mexico and for the ones that "pacified" local tribes. His ancestors wouldn't have had land to farm if it wasn't for the federal government. So maybe he should STFU and pay the money he owes.

His entire claim is based on the concept of "eminent domain" or "prescriptive easement" which holds that if you think yo own a piece of land, act like you own it and do it open and notoriously for long enough it actually becomes yours.  His claim however is  a cascading  series of fail the like of which I haven;t seen outside a law school exam question

1) Eminent domain does not, and cannot work against the government  ever.  Period. full stop.

2) "Claim of right"  is an element to eminent domain.  Meaning you have to have some reason to believe you really do own the land.  He has none.   Also "claim of right" almost always fails if you fail to carry out the legal responsibilities of a land owner such as insuring the land or paying property taxes on it

3) "Hostile" possession  ie living there or using it without the permission of the landowner is also a necessary element.  The fact that he paid grazing fees until 1992 when he suddenly stop means that the "hostile" use of the land would not begin until 1992, but more importantly also destroys his "claim of right" argument since his payment of fees makes it clear he knew he did NOT own the land

4) it must be "open and continuous" use.   bucket-loads of case law have established that  seasonal grazing of cattle, while not erecting improvements on the land is neither open nor continuous use of land.


Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting ...


I heard about the Burning Man thing. Pretty funny. (Have my camp meeting on Thursday.)
PS. That bit about occupying farming land that isn't being used and then it becomes yours... I think that may apply in Mexico. It certainly applies in several Latin American countries. So maybe if the federal government hadn't taken the land from Mexico, he could have pulled it off. Damn those feds!
 
2014-04-22 01:48:58 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Is this the clown-painting murderer Bundy, the four-touchdowns-in-a-single-game Bundy, or some other guy?


That was Gacy.
 
2014-04-22 01:51:11 PM

Magorn: Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting permits for a giant, clothing optional, gay friend, anything goes, festival with no rules, no sound limits, and most importantly, no porta-potties for him and his 50,000 closest friends.

(he's kidding...I think..)


If not, I look forward to seeing pickup-loads of gun-toting patriots descend on the area to support the burning man organizers.
 
2014-04-22 01:51:30 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Is this the clown-painting murderer Bundy, the four-touchdowns-in-a-single-game Bundy, or some other guy?


The shoe salesman with the loud wife Bundy.
 
2014-04-22 01:52:23 PM
Doesn't he have his 160 acres?

Isn't he laying claim to 500,000+ acres as his?

Fark this guy.
 
2014-04-22 01:58:44 PM

kbronsito: That was Gacy.


Oops. My bad. Damnit. I ruined a perfectly good (though, admittedly not original) joke.
 
2014-04-22 02:14:26 PM

Chris Ween: I guess he did get a bit screwed by the BLM.  Of course, his option to fix that was court....where he lost.  That's it.  End of story.  You don't get to then stop paying grazing fees, and claim land you don't own.  Even if the reason for this in the first place had to do with a government scheme to sell land to some solar company or otherwise find a "better/different" use for the land.


I think that if the people supporting him visualized that instead of occupying public land without payment he was occupying THEIR land without payment, they'd stop supporting him.  Of course, he is occupying their land, it just happens to be public instead of 100% theirs.

I'm really, really trying to see the other side of this but once I read the column last week by the head of AEI or Reason or something that agreed that Cliven Bundy was an out-of-whack squatter, I figured I'd hit bottom.
 
2014-04-22 02:30:30 PM
So he lied?

I'm shocked. Truly.
 
2014-04-22 02:31:27 PM

Chris Ween: I guess he did get a bit screwed by the BLM.  Of course, his option to fix that was court....where he lost.  That's it.  End of story.  You don't get to then stop paying grazing fees, and claim land you don't own.  Even if the reason for this in the first place had to do with a government scheme to sell land to some solar company or otherwise find a "better/different" use for the land.


"He's wrong, but derp anyway."
 
2014-04-22 02:33:23 PM

SilentStrider: So he lied?

I'm shocked. Truly.


Now, now, he didn't lie. He said his claim to the land predates the BLM's existence. That's a pretty easy bar to step over considering he also says that he doesn't believe the federal government exists at all, so his claim by default is correct.
 
2014-04-22 02:35:38 PM

Magorn: Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting permits for a giant, clothing optional, gay friend, anything goes, festival with no rules, no sound limits, and most importantly, no porta-potties for him and his 50,000 closest friends.

(he's kidding...I think..)


That's something I really want to see. Bundy is a fatass shiathead, some big 'ol gay hippie-fest with lotsa EDM would be perfect. Either you have rules for land use or you don't. Let him see what the alternative is.
 
2014-04-22 02:41:08 PM

Chris Ween: I guess he did get a bit screwed by the BLM.


How? Because the courts didn't find that. Hell, he's a worthless liar. Why would you believe anything that comes out of his cock holster?
 
2014-04-22 02:43:59 PM
Magorn:
Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting ...

Burning Man takes place about 550 miles from Bunkerville NV. Just saying................
 
2014-04-22 02:46:13 PM

Bob Falfa: Magorn:
Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting ...

Burning Man takes place about 550 miles from Bunkerville NV. Just saying................


I don't see the relevance
 
2014-04-22 02:55:29 PM
I believe that I say this all too often in threads like these: but what in the chocolate covered f*ck is up with this asshat? And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?
 
2014-04-22 02:57:53 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Bob Falfa: Magorn:
Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting ...

Burning Man takes place about 550 miles from Bunkerville NV. Just saying................

I don't see the relevance


People don't understand that the concept of "far" is really different out West.
 
2014-04-22 02:58:17 PM

hubiestubert: I believe that I say this all too often in threads like these: but what in the chocolate covered f*ck is up with this asshat? And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?


Because the tyrannical, oppressive, violent jack-booted thugs have been trying to solve the issue peaceful for 20+ yearsy, like tyrannical, oppressive, violent jack-booted thugs always do.  They're sneaky...that's how they get you
 
2014-04-22 03:00:20 PM

dr_blasto: Lionel Mandrake: Bob Falfa: Magorn:
Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting ...

Burning Man takes place about 550 miles from Bunkerville NV. Just saying................

I don't see the relevance

People don't understand that the concept of "far" is really different out West.


And apparently, there are only "patriot" groups in rural southern Nevada.  They just don't exist in rural northern Nevada.
 
2014-04-22 03:02:47 PM

hubiestubert: I believe that I say this all too often in threads like these: but what in the chocolate covered f*ck is up with this asshat? And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?


To answer your first question, I don't know what a chocolate covered fark is, but he's essentially a sovereign citizen who refuses to recognize the existence of the federal government even though the Nevada Constitution (which he says he follows) demands he supply paramount allegiance to the federal government and follow all federal court rulings.

To answer your second question, the feds have successfully sued him twice, and he's exhausted his appeals both times.
 
2014-04-22 03:03:33 PM
I'll never forgive Bundy for that time he ordered Big John Studd to sneak attack Andre the Giant at The Collossal Jostle.  I still say that Bobby "The Brain" Heenan was behind the whole thing.
 
2014-04-22 03:04:12 PM

hubiestubert: And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?


Well, he sorta has. I'm wondering why he and all his freedumb-loving militia friends haven't been arrested yet for interfering with federal agents in the performance of their official duties, using deadly weapons, which is good for 20 years if the judge is having a bad day.
 
2014-04-22 03:05:53 PM
All you libby libs will be sorry on KartoffelNacht, when True Patriots like Bundy rise up and throw off the shackles of their gummit oppressors!
 
2014-04-22 03:06:45 PM

Serious Black: hubiestubert: I believe that I say this all too often in threads like these: but what in the chocolate covered f*ck is up with this asshat? And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?

To answer your first question, I don't know what a chocolate covered fark is, but he's essentially a sovereign citizen who refuses to recognize the existence of the federal government even though the Nevada Constitution (which he says he follows) demands he supply paramount allegiance to the federal government and follow all federal court rulings.

To answer your second question, the feds have successfully sued him twice, and he's exhausted his appeals both times.


Yup. He's been repeatedly smacked down on this, and I'm honestly disappointed they didn't shoot all these chucklefarks. Still, he'll at least get a swat team at his door one of these nights and will probably spend a few decades in prison, so that's some consolation.
 
2014-04-22 03:07:42 PM
The little guy takes on the US Gov and the MSM and wins.  Time to assissinate his character.
 
2014-04-22 03:08:01 PM

incendi: hubiestubert: And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?

Well, he sorta has. I'm wondering why he and all his freedumb-loving militia friends haven't been arrested yet for interfering with federal agents in the performance of their official duties, using deadly weapons, which is good for 20 years if the judge is having a bad day.



Don't forget multiple counts of each charge. And don't worry, I'm sure they're planning on arresting them soon.
 
2014-04-22 03:08:23 PM

Blues_X: Another right-wing principle carved in bedrock: they support the full enforcement of the law, except when they don't.


You mean like the the  democratics and immigration laws?
 
2014-04-22 03:09:34 PM

cptjeff: Serious Black: hubiestubert: I believe that I say this all too often in threads like these: but what in the chocolate covered f*ck is up with this asshat? And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?

To answer your first question, I don't know what a chocolate covered fark is, but he's essentially a sovereign citizen who refuses to recognize the existence of the federal government even though the Nevada Constitution (which he says he follows) demands he supply paramount allegiance to the federal government and follow all federal court rulings.

To answer your second question, the feds have successfully sued him twice, and he's exhausted his appeals both times.

Yup. He's been repeatedly smacked down on this, and I'm honestly disappointed they didn't shoot all these chucklefarks. Still, he'll at least get a swat team at his door one of these nights and will probably spend a few decades in prison, so that's some consolation.


So long as they get a few of those "patriots" that were on the bridge pointing weapons at federal employees, I'll be OK with this.

Throw in a few felony charges and confiscate their firearms. I will smile and laugh.
 
2014-04-22 03:10:13 PM
Water rights. To give water to livestock. In Nevada. Well, if that's not a terrific waste of water, then I don't know what is.
 
2014-04-22 03:10:34 PM

hubiestubert: I believe that I say this all too often in threads like these: but what in the chocolate covered f*ck is up with this asshat? And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?


I suppose you think he has just descended into lawlessness.  A descent into what people like label as criminality, but what you don't understand, is that descent is the highest form of patriotic.
 
2014-04-22 03:10:34 PM

kyrg: like the the  democratics


Well, at least you tried.
 
2014-04-22 03:11:21 PM

incendi: hubiestubert: And why has he not been just been sued into oblivion yet?

Well, he sorta has. I'm wondering why he and all his freedumb-loving militia friends haven't been arrested yet for interfering with federal agents in the performance of their official duties, using deadly weapons, which is good for 20 years if the judge is having a bad day.


I think they are just waiting until things quiet down and then go in. They don't want to go in guns blazing.
 
2014-04-22 03:11:44 PM

cubic_spleen: All you libby libs will be sorry on KartoffelNacht,


Oh, that is excellent, just fantastic.

Funny'd.
 
2014-04-22 03:11:56 PM
they weren't great about keeping records back in the 1870's.  Doesn't mean he didn't own the land earlier than 1954 or 1951 or whatever it was.  Just because there was no record of the Bundy's residing and grazing cattle on that land doesn't mean he wasn't doing it.   It just means there was no record of him doing it.  I bet record-keeping wasn't given a priority in rural Nevada in the early 1900's.

And should the government just be able to take a private citizen's own property if it wants to?  It shouldn't be able to do that.  The article doesn't say when the government/ BLM took ownership of the land, though I guess they never took the 160 acres his family bought in 1954.
 
2014-04-22 03:12:13 PM

Magorn: Personally I am amused by news today that one of the organizers of Burning Man (which pays a crap-ton of use fees to BLM for use of a parcel not far from Bundy) says he's "inspired" by Bundy's actions and will ALSO use the disputed land right around Bundy;s ranch without paying fees or getting permits for a giant, clothing optional, gay friend, anything goes, festival with no rules, no sound limits, and most importantly, no porta-potties for him and his 50,000 closest friends.

(he's kidding...I think..)


Sounds more like almost a "counter protest' against Bundy. Its really a brilliant idea, and while its a "joke" I think if he gets enough people he might just go through with it.
 
2014-04-22 03:12:45 PM

Wook: The little guy takes on the US Gov and the MSM and wins.  Time to assissinate his character.


did you stuff him with character?

all i see is a free loading deadbeat who chose not to pay his bills and when the BLM came out to make things right in the eyes of the law, he pointed a gun at them, oh, and he thinks his ... (get this) beliefs trump reality.
 
2014-04-22 03:12:48 PM

Wook: The little guy takes on the US Gov and the MSM and wins.  Time to assissinate his character.


Yeah what a hero. He complains he doesn't get free government hand outs, disobeys the law and then threatens to kill people. What a GOP hero.
 
2014-04-22 03:14:10 PM

Wook: The little guy takes on the US Gov and the MSM and wins.  Time to assissinate his character.


Tubby isn't so little. He's a liar and a cheat. He's done all the character "assissinatin'" on his own. Hell, he has lied about every bit of the history except where he' s mentioned that his cattle have been on the land before.
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kyrg: Blues_X: Another right-wing principle carved in bedrock: they support the full enforcement of the law, except when they don't.

You mean like the the  democratics and immigration laws?


I'm sure you're smart enough to figure out this has nothing to do with immigration at all, right? But, hey, what specific immigration laws do the "democratics" ignore?
 
2014-04-22 03:14:49 PM

SlothB77: they weren't great about keeping records back in the 1870's.  Doesn't mean he didn't own the land earlier than 1954 or 1951 or whatever it was.  Just because there was no record of the Bundy's residing and grazing cattle on that land doesn't mean he wasn't doing it.   It just means there was no record of him doing it.  I bet record-keeping wasn't given a priority in rural Nevada in the early 1900's.

And should the government just be able to take a private citizen's own property if it wants to?  It shouldn't be able to do that.  The article doesn't say when the government/ BLM took ownership of the land, though I guess they never took the 160 acres his family bought in 1954.


For all I know, that land belonged to my family.  Now I'm really pissed.
 
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