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(Jezebel)   Author on human relationships with cats and dogs unable to include a chapter on cat IQ because cats refused to co-operate with scientists when being studied   (jezebel.com) divider line 84
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2014-04-22 01:34:20 PM  
Cats respond well to noms and pettings.  You can even train them to a point with noms
 
2014-04-22 01:38:58 PM  
I'd say that refusing to cooperate with beings several times larger who are trying to study you is a sign of innate intelligence.
 
2014-04-22 01:39:34 PM  
You can train a cat but unfortunately all you end up with is a somewhat smarter homicidal maniac who probably hates you.  I love cats but lets be honest, deep down we are all really thankful that very few species of cat are big enough to hunt and kill humans.
 
2014-04-22 01:41:46 PM  
My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.
 
2014-04-22 01:42:24 PM  
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2014-04-22 01:43:27 PM  
Some cats are incredibly intuitive.
 
2014-04-22 01:45:30 PM  

Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.


Trim their nails.
 
2014-04-22 01:47:57 PM  

Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.


Sooner or later you will die and leave a nice, tender corpse.
 
2014-04-22 01:53:47 PM  

Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.


They know...they just don't care
 
2014-04-22 01:59:04 PM  
It's because the cats are dead inside.
 
2014-04-22 02:00:07 PM  
Did they try running a can opener?
 
2014-04-22 02:06:01 PM  

Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid. My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind)


A friend of mine used to have a cat that would get into the cat food under the sink, so he put a latch on it. The cat figured out it could pull the bottom drawer beside the cabinet out halfway, get into the drawer, move the drawer above it out, and then climb into the area under the sink.
 
2014-04-22 02:14:45 PM  
My macaw and cat can both fetch and roll over.

The dog just sits there.

Need to get that video transfered before the 8mm tape goes bad.
 
2014-04-22 02:16:26 PM  
choosepp.net

My kitteh likes to create universes.
 
2014-04-22 02:17:57 PM  
Pavlov's Cat Results: 
Day 1: Rang bell- cat farked off. 
Day 2: Rang bell - cat went and answered door.
Day 3: Rang bell - cat said he'd eaten earlier.
Day 4: Went to ring bell on day 4 but cat had stolen batteries.
Final day - day 5: Went to ring bell with new batteries, but cat put his paw on bell - so it only made a thunk noise. Then cat rang his own bell. I ate food.
 
2014-04-22 02:21:28 PM  
CSB:

I tried to toilet train my cat.  It involved moving the litter over the toilet, reducing the amount of litter and finally cutting a larger hole until the cat has to stand on the toilet seat, and giving treats each time he used the toilet.  Anyway, our cat couldn't get the hang of perching any more than three feet on the toilet seat, and we gave up.

What we did train the cat to do was to use the litter box with three feet on the edge.  Also to hold his bowel movements until we got home from work.  12 years later he still does this even though we've move the litter back to the floor and don't give him treats for pooping.

/Even before that, my saying was "You can't train a cat to stay off the counters.  You can only train them to stay off the counters when you are around."
//We tried a motion detector, but that just trained him to do it when we weren't around to hear the detector beep.
 
2014-04-22 02:22:38 PM  
People like cats for the same reasons people are attracted assholes.
 
2014-04-22 02:24:19 PM  
Needs more  Catlateral Damage.
 
2014-04-22 02:25:21 PM  

TheGogmagog: //We tried a motion detector,


www.kittycatgroomer.com
Tried this one?
 
2014-04-22 02:26:38 PM  
I had a cat who learned how to turn on the electric blanket.  When we started unplugging it every morning, she learned how to turn on a closet light that was just above a shelf she could lie on.
 
2014-04-22 02:28:16 PM  
Every cat I've had has been devilishly clever. Working switches, circumventing almost every obstacle I put in their way to avoid more dangerous curiosity (IE - climbing into hearing ducts).

Part of it is patience/persistence and part of it is self sufficiency, both of which would be extremely valuable traits as a solitary predator. They're cute, but they're still tiny murder machines that play with their food.
 
2014-04-22 02:30:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Cats respond well to noms and pettings.  You can even train them to a point with noms


I've got one of my cats trained to give high-fives.  Did nothing but made him go through the motions every time he wanted petted, now all you have to say is "Gimme five," and he'll give you one.

He has no self respect though.  That made it easier.
 
2014-04-22 02:35:32 PM  

error 303: Needs more  Catlateral Damage.


meh, too easy
 
2014-04-22 02:39:29 PM  
I find that cats can learn to respond to the command 'move' if given the proper incentive.
 
2014-04-22 02:41:17 PM  
Author never owned a pixie bob. Insanely intelligent in my experience.
 
2014-04-22 02:41:49 PM  

Egoy3k: You can train a cat but unfortunately all you end up with is a somewhat smarter homicidal maniac who probably hates you.  I love cats but lets be honest, deep down we are all really thankful that very few species of cat are big enough to hunt and kill humans.


Even if there were more species like that, it wouldn't matter.  We'd kill *WAY* more of them than they could possibly kill of us.

It's something we humans are really, really good at.
 
2014-04-22 02:45:35 PM  

phalamir: Pavlov's Cat Results: 
Day 1: Rang bell- cat farked off. 
Day 2: Rang bell - cat went and answered door.
Day 3: Rang bell - cat said he'd eaten earlier.
Day 4: Went to ring bell on day 4 but cat had stolen batteries.
Final day - day 5: Went to ring bell with new batteries, but cat put his paw on bell - so it only made a thunk noise. Then cat rang his own bell. I ate food.


I love Eddie, I hope he wins for Mayor in 2016 or whenever he's running..
 
2014-04-22 02:57:19 PM  

choo: TheGogmagog: //We tried a motion detector,

[www.kittycatgroomer.com image 350x350]
Tried this one?


Sssscat are (is?) awesome.  If I move the can  to a different location my cat freaks.  I have several positioned in the house, and when I had two cats I learned the usual suspect was not jumping on the kitchen counters.

The entertainment value of those is priceless.
 
2014-04-22 02:57:23 PM  

Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.


That's not really an understanding issue. Kneading is an instinctive reaction/communicative act that cats do both when they're safe, and to communicate affection. Your cat has about as much chance of learning not to knead you as you have of, say, learning not to yawn, or not to hug people. Or maybe to not complement a particular person who finds them upsetting.
 
2014-04-22 03:01:09 PM  

Odd Bird: Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.

Sooner or later you will die and leave a nice, tender corpse.


Cats will commit opportunistic cannibalism it's true, though most cases of it you hear about have more to do with cats not having a way out of the house than preference. Being an obligate carnivore will do that to you, unfortunately. I have a theory that this is why cats instinctively wander away from their usual places and hide before they die; reduces the chances of spreading diseases to associates who might find and nibble on them.
 
2014-04-22 03:02:42 PM  
Solon Isonomia:

Every cat I've had has been devilishly clever. Working switches, circumventing almost every obstacle I put in their way to avoid more dangerous curiosity (IE - climbing into hearing ducts).


Those must be the smallest cats I've ever heard of.  Don't they get covered in ear wax?  Yuck!
 
2014-04-22 03:15:05 PM  
My Finnish friend the artist used to have a friend who owned an interesting and very beautiful cat that she'd got as a baby from a Finnish cattery.

This cat was a wicked smart, mischievous little badass who played psychological domination games with the artist until both decided to call it a draw. The cat became extremely loyal to him afterward.

I have reason to think that cat was part Felis Sylvestris, and not entirely Domesticus.

We all sometimes speculated on the results the cattery might have if they decided to breed cats specifically for smarts.

Fortunately for us humans, perhaps, I heard later on that the cattery had decided to breed slightly different [presumably fully Domesticus] breeds of cats.
 
2014-04-22 03:17:53 PM  
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2014-04-22 03:20:39 PM  
 
2014-04-22 03:23:16 PM  
Sounds like the researchers need more intelligence. If they can build rockets to the moon surely they can figure out how smart cats are.
 
2014-04-22 03:31:28 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: A friend of mine used to have a cat that would get into the cat food under the sink, so he put a latch on it. The cat figured out it could pull the bottom drawer beside the cabinet out halfway, get into the drawer, move the drawer above it out, and then climb into the area under the sink.


I've known a number of cats that have figured out how to open cabinet doors and drawers.  My own cat has drawers and screen doors down pat, but he still struggles with cabinet doors.

One of the more interesting (but sad) feats was when a relative's 21 year old cat had a stroke and went blind.  She adapted by using the furniture, cabinets and doorways in the house as reference points.
 
2014-04-22 03:45:41 PM  

TheGogmagog: "You can't train a cat to stay off the counters. You can only train them to stay off the counters when you are around."


this is true, but you can try putting tin foil on the countertop for a while. eventually the cat decides they didnt like to go up there anyway and stops doing it
 
2014-04-22 03:50:28 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: TheGogmagog: "You can't train a cat to stay off the counters. You can only train them to stay off the counters when you are around."

this is true, but you can try putting tin foil on the countertop for a while. eventually the cat decides they didnt like to go up there anyway and stops doing it


More like a scat matt.
 
2014-04-22 04:01:32 PM  

Bonanza Jellybean: TheGogmagog: "You can't train a cat to stay off the counters. You can only train them to stay off the counters when you are around."

this is true, but you can try putting tin foil on the countertop for a while. eventually the cat decides they didnt like to go up there anyway and stops doing it


My cats would shred the foil.  They farking LOVE tin foil.
 
2014-04-22 04:03:33 PM  
*quietly tosses random lipstick in, dashes out*
 
2014-04-22 04:03:57 PM  

animekev: Solon Isonomia:

Every cat I've had has been devilishly clever. Working switches, circumventing almost every obstacle I put in their way to avoid more dangerous curiosity (IE - climbing into hearing ducts).

Those must be the smallest cats I've ever heard of.  Don't they get covered in ear wax?  Yuck!


Damn you autocorrect...
 
2014-04-22 04:10:20 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Bonanza Jellybean: TheGogmagog: "You can't train a cat to stay off the counters. You can only train them to stay off the counters when you are around."

this is true, but you can try putting tin foil on the countertop for a while. eventually the cat decides they didnt like to go up there anyway and stops doing it

More like a scat matt.


Not all cats are bothered by foil.  Mine aren't.
 
2014-04-22 04:10:25 PM  
Cats might be difficult to work with?

i1020.photobucket.com

The little spazzes...
 
2014-04-22 04:15:11 PM  

nitefallz: Crotchrocket Slim: Bonanza Jellybean: TheGogmagog: "You can't train a cat to stay off the counters. You can only train them to stay off the counters when you are around."

this is true, but you can try putting tin foil on the countertop for a while. eventually the cat decides they didnt like to go up there anyway and stops doing it

More like a scat matt.

Not all cats are bothered by foil.  Mine aren't.


And some will claw it up and then chew it, like mine.
 
2014-04-22 04:17:25 PM  
Dogs will obey stupid commands because it pleases their master.

Cats will make their humans do stupid things to amuse them.
 
2014-04-22 04:19:42 PM  
I have had several cats, each with different ways of showing just how smart they were.

One of my favorite anecdotes is about a tom I had. One day I came home and he'd shredded a whole roll of paper towels. I yelled at him then refused to speak to or interact with him for days. On about the third day of this, he came to me, kind of gave a submissive pose "apology" and I resumed normal behavior toward him. He never did that againas long as I had him, though he had plenty of opportunity. I had to give him up, and later, I heard his new owner kept finding injured and dead bats in the driveway. It turns out that he would get on the roof and sit above a porch light. When the bats would come to feast on the tasty insects, he'd whack em right out of the air.

As a scientist, I understand why directed study of domestic feline intelligence is a biatch; as a cat lover, I have no doubt they have the capacity for great understanding.
 
2014-04-22 04:28:02 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Smeggy Smurf: Cats respond well to noms and pettings.  You can even train them to a point with noms

I've got one of my cats trained to give high-fives.  Did nothing but made him go through the motions every time he wanted petted, now all you have to say is "Gimme five," and he'll give you one.

He has no self respect though.  That made it easier.


My wife and I did the same.

Now that they know this they come over and either raise their paws in the air when they're hungry or they smack me.
 
2014-04-22 04:31:34 PM  

animekev: Solon Isonomia:

Every cat I've had has been devilishly clever. Working switches, circumventing almost every obstacle I put in their way to avoid more dangerous curiosity (IE - climbing into hearing ducts).

Those must be the smallest cats I've ever heard of.  Don't they get covered in ear wax?  Yuck!


i48.tinypic.com
"It lives on wax, feeds on the innards of flowers, and it has a decided liking for the human ear. The natives hereabout, they have a distinct terror of it, they do. You see, it moves and it rests so lightly on a human being, that one is practically unconscious of it. Now, if you were to place one of these cats in a man's hair, just above his ear, well... once in the ear, it's a thousand-to-one chance of it ever coming out the same way again. You see, Mr. Macy, it can't turn round. Backing out is impossible. So it continues to feed as it goes, and it crawls right inside of the head. ".
 
2014-04-22 04:32:43 PM  
 Actually, I don't think cats are that stupid, it's just that they're such giant assholes that it doesn't matter if they're smart or not.  They're basically just evil.
 
2014-04-22 04:40:59 PM  

Heron: Ethertap: My cats are pretty stupid.  My sister has a cat that figured out doorknobs (the latch kind), but mine still struggle to understand that I am made out of meat and if they dig their claws in (typically while kneading before they lie down for a nap), I yell.

That's not really an understanding issue. Kneading is an instinctive reaction/communicative act that cats do both when they're safe, and to communicate affection. Your cat has about as much chance of learning not to knead you as you have of, say, learning not to yawn, or not to hug people. Or maybe to not complement a particular person who finds them upsetting.


I don't yell at my cats for kneading. Most if the time it's not an issue, but sometimes they get a little aggressive with the claws and its more if a "I just stepped on a lego" type of yell.
 
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