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(WTOP)   Fairfax County school system in Virginia announces new, "sshh, it's OK, precious snowflakes, you can sleep in as late as you want" policy   (wtop.com) divider line 154
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2014-04-22 11:50:42 AM
Snowflakes my ass. Wish my school had done this. I had to be up and out for the bus at seven am, and I am something less than a morning person. Just another hour would have been good.
 
2014-04-22 11:54:40 AM
Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.
 
2014-04-22 11:56:35 AM
Nothing stupid about it. It says kids have to get on buses at 5:45 which is a bit harsh. Studies show later start times are better.
 
2014-04-22 12:17:49 PM
Sorry to bust your bubble, subby, but teenagers do not awaken before 9 AM.  And 11 AM is actually more like it.  They may appear to be awake, but they are not.
 
2014-04-22 12:24:28 PM
Montgomery County (just across the Potomac) is holding a year-long series of discussions and meetings about this. Lots of mailings and robo-phone calls. At question: 15 minute later start time.

FFS My tax dollars at work.
 
2014-04-22 01:08:05 PM

Walker: Nothing stupid about it. It says kids have to get on buses at 5:45 which is a bit harsh. Studies show later start times are better.


The only thing I don't like about it here is that it has flipped the elementary school kids to the earlier schedule, so they have to be at the bus stop by 6:00am (in my neighborhood) and then there's no possibility of HS students watching elementary schoolers until work gets out.
 
2014-04-22 01:09:53 PM
Good. That ought to help them with their hangovers.
 
2014-04-22 01:38:33 PM
Subby's trolly headline is effective!
 
2014-04-22 01:40:43 PM

factoryconnection: Walker: Nothing stupid about it. It says kids have to get on buses at 5:45 which is a bit harsh. Studies show later start times are better.

The only thing I don't like about it here is that it has flipped the elementary school kids to the earlier schedule, so they have to be at the bus stop by 6:00am (in my neighborhood) and then there's no possibility of HS students watching elementary schoolers until work gets out.


Why not have all schools (elementary, middle, and high school) all start at similar times? I may be misunderstanding something about your statement though.
 
2014-04-22 01:40:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.


Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.
 
2014-04-22 01:41:16 PM
Makes sense.  Teenagers don't, as a group, function as well in the early hours.  They also aren't really designed to sit still in a classroom for 7 hours a day with minimal breaks either -- but I doubt we're going to see that one change any time soon.
 
2014-04-22 01:41:24 PM
I hated waking up that early for high school. The one thing that made it easier was I had the easier classes in the morning. If I had a math or english class early I usually did poorly in it.
 
2014-04-22 01:43:11 PM

Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.


I would, but I don't want to cover the later shift. I'm perfectly happy with showing up half-asleep to work and taking a couple hours to wake up if it means I can leave earlier.
 
2014-04-22 01:43:49 PM

Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.


Do you have to be stupid in every single thread you post in?

Serious question.
 
2014-04-22 01:44:56 PM

Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.


I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.
 
2014-04-22 01:45:13 PM
Sorry, subby, but we just don't have the budget to truck in snow for the kids to hike uphill both ways in.

Besides, later start times are correlated with higher test scores, the real point of high school.
 
2014-04-22 01:46:18 PM

SilentStrider: Snowflakes my ass. Wish my school had done this. I had to be up and out for the bus at seven am, and I am something less than a morning person. Just another hour would have been good.


I had to get up at five...
 
2014-04-22 01:46:54 PM

Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.


Well actually, many adults who live in Fairfax and work in DC have to.
 
2014-04-22 01:49:06 PM

Carn: Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.

Well actually, many adults who live in Fairfax and work in DC have to.


Fair point.
 
2014-04-22 01:49:51 PM

Carn: Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.

Well actually, many adults who live in Fairfax and work in DC have to.


Only the turds who live way outside the beltway in communities like Gainesville, Woodbridge, Quantico or Elk Ridge.

Fark those people.
 
2014-04-22 01:51:31 PM
What kind of barbaric high school starts classes at 7:20 a.m.? I'm a morning person, and was as a teenager, and even I would not have wanted to start school that early. Where I live, classes don't start until 8:50 a.m. and finish at 3:15 p.m., elementary school and high school.
 
2014-04-22 01:55:09 PM

Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.


You must not have children, a long commute or anything else most responsible adults have
 
2014-04-22 01:56:23 PM

jst3p: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

Do you have to be stupid in every single thread you post in?

Serious question.


If a user doesn't add anything to a topic I label them as such and give them 2-3 chances (a succession of colors) to prove themselves not to be a waste. If they never add anything productive I eventually just ignore.
 
2014-04-22 01:57:52 PM
Schools are the most unrealistic job training program imaginable. All this is is a little more realism.

/not even very much
//get rid of homework, for another thing
 
2014-04-22 01:58:42 PM

LandOfChocolate: Carn: Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.

Well actually, many adults who live in Fairfax and work in DC have to.

Only the turds who live way outside the beltway in communities like Gainesville, Woodbridge, Quantico or Elk Ridge.

Fark those people.


Even peeps who are in Fairfax city might have to.  I mean if you have to drive and you're by yourself you gotta be on the road by like 6:00 at the latest to make sure you don't get a ticket for HOV violation crossing the bridge, and since 66 is a f*cking whore no matter time or day I'd say that's an optimistic estimate.  Your other option would be Vienna metro but again I hear those spots fill up pretty damn early so unless you've got a bus route close to your house you're in trouble.  Although that early in the morning, all the way in by 50 is probably not too bad.

All this said, 5:45 is pretty god damn early for high school kids to be needing to catch a bus (meaning up at 5:30 probably bare minimum).  I think our high school had first class at maybe 7:40 which wasn't too bad but we used to have jazz band morning practice a couple times a week and that was at 6:45 maybe which meant up by 6:00 or 6:15.  That was always rough for me.

/still not a morning person
 
2014-04-22 01:59:25 PM
Empty H:

If a user doesn't add anything to a topic I label them as such and give them 2-3 chances (a succession of colors) to prove themselves not to be a waste. If they never add anything productive I eventually just ignore.

haha! you can't see this post.
 
2014-04-22 01:59:28 PM

Empty H: Why not have all schools (elementary, middle, and high school) all start at similar times? I may be misunderstanding something about your statement though.


Because then you need twice as many buses and drivers. As it is now, they do the 7-12 kids, then go out and do K-6.
 
2014-04-22 02:00:34 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.

You must not have children, a long commute or anything else most responsible adults have


If we are going to play your game, wouldn't a truly responsible adult have a better system setup for getting their kids to school and not live so far from work?

You trying to tie responsibility to children and distance to work is idiotic.
 
2014-04-22 02:01:00 PM

Empty H: factoryconnection: Walker: Nothing stupid about it. It says kids have to get on buses at 5:45 which is a bit harsh. Studies show later start times are better.

The only thing I don't like about it here is that it has flipped the elementary school kids to the earlier schedule, so they have to be at the bus stop by 6:00am (in my neighborhood) and then there's no possibility of HS students watching elementary schoolers until work gets out.

Why not have all schools (elementary, middle, and high school) all start at similar times? I may be misunderstanding something about your statement though.


My guess - they'd have to have a LOT more busses/bus drivers

Just a guess tho
 
2014-04-22 02:01:03 PM
Mine had a start time of 7:40 am.
This is what caused me to start drinking coffee when I was 14.
 
2014-04-22 02:02:47 PM

busy chillin': Empty H:

If a user doesn't add anything to a topic I label them as such and give them 2-3 chances (a succession of colors) to prove themselves not to be a waste. If they never add anything productive I eventually just ignore.

haha! you can't see this post.


I am a great magician!

/your clothes are now black.
 
2014-04-22 02:02:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I would, but I don't want to cover the later shift. I'm perfectly happy with showing up half-asleep to work and taking a couple hours to wake up if it means I can leave earlier.


Exactly.

I attended Fairfax County schools a few decades ago and our school day was like 7:15am - 2:15pm.  I loved getting home by 2:45 everyday.  If we had started and finished an hour later we'd pretty much be getting home just before sunset during the winter, which would suck.
 
2014-04-22 02:03:33 PM
Well, biological differences aside, it's not like they are loosing hours of education, just an adjusted schedule to make the teaching environment much more effective. By not sending teenagers in at very early hours, your recognizing that their biological clocks are not on the same level as an adult or young child. It's nice to see Fairfax is actually weighing the facts and isn't doing the typical "toughen up" BS that usually accompany these sort of issues.

Also mornings farking suck.... so yeah, good luck Fairfax!

/sarcasm not included
 
2014-04-22 02:03:34 PM
School buses are for poor people or affluents that hate their children.
 
2014-04-22 02:03:35 PM

Wellon Dowd: Empty H: Why not have all schools (elementary, middle, and high school) all start at similar times? I may be misunderstanding something about your statement though.

Because then you need twice as many buses and drivers. As it is now, they do the 7-12 kids, then go out and do K-6.


Ah, makes sense. Thank you.
 
2014-04-22 02:05:11 PM

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: What kind of barbaric high school starts classes at 7:20 a.m.? I'm a morning person, and was as a teenager, and even I would not have wanted to start school that early. Where I live, classes don't start until 8:50 a.m. and finish at 3:15 p.m., elementary school and high school.


I spent just about my entire school career in the county in question and I don't remember HS starting that early. Not sure if that's "new" policy (less than 30 years - god I'm old) or if I'm just remembering wrong

/OHS '84
//Go cougars, or something
 
2014-04-22 02:06:41 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Sorry to bust your bubble, subby, but teenagers do not awaken before 9 AM.  And 11 AM is actually more like it.  They may appear to be awake, but they are not.


Bite me, I had to get up and do farm chores before breakfast, and that was before walking to the hard road then walking the 3 miles to school.
Farking pussies. We got a nation full of them here.
 
2014-04-22 02:06:42 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Empty H: Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.

I am pretty sure most adults don't get up at 530 to get to their 9-5 job.

You must not have children, a long commute or anything else most responsible adults have



I did the responsible thing by making sure I didn't have kids (snip snip), and I found a house within walking distance of where I worked. That way I would waste a lot of resources and add to the city's pollution...like a responsible adult.
 
2014-04-22 02:07:00 PM
This is a good idea even though it won't help out my family. My youngest, who will be a senior at an FCPS high school next year, has to be out the door by 6:35 to catch the bus.
 
2014-04-22 02:10:13 PM

vudukungfu: Marcus Aurelius: Sorry to bust your bubble, subby, but teenagers do not awaken before 9 AM.  And 11 AM is actually more like it.  They may appear to be awake, but they are not.

Bite me, I had to get up and do farm chores before breakfast, and that was before walking to the hard road then walking the 3 miles to school.
Farking pussies. We got a nation full of them here.


Yeah! With all that living longer and healthier lives crap! We should go back to the old days, where people died before 30 and did back breaking work every morning! Better yet, why not get rid of cars, trains, airplanes, and all that other technologies that make kids these days pussies!

/Butthurt over getting the short end of the deal country boy?
//that sort of argument is a slippery slope
 
2014-04-22 02:13:11 PM

GRCooper: I spent just about my entire school career in the county in question and I don't remember HS starting that early. Not sure if that's "new" policy (less than 30 years - god I'm old) or if I'm just remembering wrong

/OHS '84
//Go cougars, or something


MVHS 1982

If I remember correctly, the late bell rang at 7:50 and the day ended at 2:10.
 
2014-04-22 02:13:49 PM

Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.


My boss usually comes in around 10 AM.
 
2014-04-22 02:13:58 PM
It never made sense to drag kids (teens especially) into school in the early morning when they are dead tired then let them out (from school) in mid-afternoon, when they are fully awake and full of energy.

/At least keep them inside until rush hour is over
 
2014-04-22 02:14:27 PM
I assume [stupid] tag was for subby?

Teenagers learn better during later hours.  Hell they should push the whole thing further back than that, and have high school get out at 6-7PM.
 
2014-04-22 02:16:58 PM
But how will all the Education majors get on time to their second jobs before the supper rush?
 
2014-04-22 02:17:25 PM

Smeggy Smurf: You must not have children, a long commute or anything else most responsible adults have


I have 3 kids and start work at 7:30 and I don't wake up till about 6:15.  Get up, get kids up and dressed, drop off at daycare, then off to work.  Sorry I forgot I'm not responsible because I don't wake up at 5:30.
 
2014-04-22 02:17:35 PM

Smeggy Smurf: scottydoesntknow: Hasn't it been proven that starting school later is better for them? Something about the brain not really being awake until 9-10AM.

Tell that to your boss.  Getting up early is all part of preparing to be an adult.


But the studies specifically were talking about adolescents' brains, not adults'.

Hmmm...lemme search the interwebs...

http://www.apa.org/monitor/oct01/sleepteen.aspx
 
2014-04-22 02:18:06 PM

bk3k: I assume [stupid] tag was for subby?

Teenagers learn better during later hours.  Hell they should push the whole thing further back than that, and have high school get out at 6-7PM.


I will go ahead and tell you that won't happen. After school functions and jobs come to mind.
 
2014-04-22 02:19:07 PM
This isn't about snowflakeyness at all. Both of my kids are horrors in the morning, and I genuinely feel pity for anyone they encounter before 9am. Having this change in schedule would be good for everyone's mental health--mine included--and would probably result in higher attendance percentages and test scores.

Our son is getting ready to start high school in the fall, and has opted for a zero period. So school will start at 7. Which means he has to be on the bus at 6. Which means he has to leave the house at 5:50am. A.M. And guess who he's gonna wake up in the process of getting ready every morning?
 
2014-04-22 02:19:51 PM

factoryconnection: The only thing I don't like about it here is that it has flipped the elementary school kids to the earlier schedule, so they have to be at the bus stop by 6:00am (in my neighborhood) and then there's no possibility of HS students watching elementary schoolers until work gets out.


Which is a problem, but it's a supervision problem, not an education problem. Conflating the two is one of the worst things we've done to children over the past century, and it will continue until we stop pretending that childcare is somehow "free" and readily available under the current system.
 
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