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2014-04-22 08:52:48 AM  
Regeneration pill where are you?
 
2014-04-22 09:54:23 AM  
Did he get stronger every day?
 
2014-04-22 10:33:12 AM  
They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?
 
2014-04-22 10:34:40 AM  
Is this from one of those post office shootings in the 90s and the bullet got lost and rerouted and then everyone started using email and buying things on Amazon.com and the post office died before the bullet was delivered, or no?
 
2014-04-22 10:38:11 AM  
22 years to take him out? The shooter should have used something with more stopping power.
 
2014-04-22 10:38:25 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?



Yes.  If death is a direct result of the shooting, yes.

This is also why we should keep an eye on Harry Whittington.  While I wish him no ill will, he's the gatekeeper for a Cheney murder rap...
 
2014-04-22 10:39:12 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Oh yeah.
If you take a long time to kill someone.
They can take a long time to charge you
 
2014-04-22 10:39:23 AM  
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Feels his pain.
 
2014-04-22 10:39:56 AM  
Why didn't he just invent a mini-arc reactor to put in his chest to keep the bullet fragment from moving?
 
2014-04-22 10:41:09 AM  
Guys die from their WWII and Viet Nam wounds every day
 
2014-04-22 10:42:28 AM  

vudukungfu: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Oh yeah.
If you take a long time to kill someone.
They can take a long time to charge you


So would his death be a new crime then?
 
2014-04-22 10:43:41 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Not really the same crime. The same action can be multiple crimes.
 
2014-04-22 10:46:25 AM  
Welcome to Pennsyltucky. Just like Alabama but with a whole lot more taxes. So the DA, I forget his name, wants to make news with a 22-year-old case and some local police chief can't be bothered by the KKK running amuck within shouting distance of teh Gettysburg killing fields.
 
2014-04-22 10:48:00 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: genner

Englebert Slaptyback: a an gunshots wounds


*facepalm*

fixed.


Even better.


Still needs something.... How about an apostrophe!

Englebert Slaptyback: a an gunshots wound's

/Every English teacher I ever had just had chills run down their spines.
 
2014-04-22 10:48:48 AM  
Many states have  a "year and a day" rule, meaning that unless they died withing 366 days of the infliction of the wound, they can't be charged with murder, only the assault/maiming/bodily harm/etc of the initial attack.  Looks like it may not apply here, but worth noting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_and_a_day_rule
 
2014-04-22 10:49:31 AM  

meanmutton: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Not really the same crime. The same action can be multiple crimes.


It really depends on the state if I understand correctly. If attempted murder is an included offense under the same statute as murder and somebody was convicted and sentenced, they might not be able to charge murder now that the guy is dead, at least I've heard about similar cases going that way (not charged after the victim dies years later).

It happens a lot in drunk driving cases--somebody ends up paralyzed, in a coma, whatever, the drunk driver gets charged with DWI/serious bodily injury and goes to prison for that, and later on the victim dies and since serious bodily injury is a lesser included offense the drunk driver ends up skating on vehicular homicide.

/Only a GED in law so don't take my word
 
2014-04-22 10:49:35 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Presumably, yes.  There is no statute of limitations on murder.
 
2014-04-22 10:49:55 AM  
I once had that DA as a private lawyer so I am getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2014-04-22 10:51:43 AM  
In related news:  It's not entirely unusual for a past injury to kill you later.

I had a friend...  When he was 18, he got into a wreck in his truck.  He lived, but had a huge scar on the ball of his shoulder.  Something like 10 years later, a blood clot from that wound made it to his brain, and he suddenly dropped dead.  He otherwise seemed perfectly healthy.

That was farked up!
 
2014-04-22 10:54:01 AM  
What's a cqorqner and what's a shqqting?
 
2014-04-22 10:55:01 AM  
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should have gotten one of these suits.
 
2014-04-22 10:57:50 AM  

durbnpoisn: In related news:  It's not entirely unusual for a past injury to kill you later.

I had a friend...  When he was 18, he got into a wreck in his truck.  He lived, but had a huge scar on the ball of his shoulder.  Something like 10 years later, a blood clot from that wound made it to his brain, and he suddenly dropped dead.  He otherwise seemed perfectly healthy.

That was farked up!


If that's what caused his death, then the death certificate will have his manner of death listed as 'accidental', just like this one was ruled 'homicide'. Something similar happened to an uncle of mine. Coroners really do have an interesting job sorting things like that out.
 
2014-04-22 10:58:33 AM  

BitwiseShift: So the DA, I forget his name, wants to make news with a 22-year-old case and some local police chief can't be bothered by the KKK running amuck within shouting distance of teh Gettysburg killing fields.


If you're aware of a crime that has been committed, perhaps you should call the police.
 
2014-04-22 11:01:56 AM  

SlothB77: [img4.wikia.nocookie.net image 600x1500]

should have gotten one of these suits.


first thing I thought of too

//geek fist bump
 
2014-04-22 11:02:44 AM  
One-in-a-trillion shot. One bullet, placed so perfectly as to paralyze the shoot-ee for two decades before killing them? Amazing. I applaud this shooter's abilities.
 
2014-04-22 11:04:52 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


In most states, yes.

Different charge, so not Double Jeapordy.
 
2014-04-22 11:05:03 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


There's no statue of lamentation on murder.
 
2014-04-22 11:05:29 AM  
This is not the time to revisit the 2nd Amendment. Lets just calm down everyone
 
2014-04-22 11:05:37 AM  
So you had 21 relatively good years!

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2014-04-22 11:06:22 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Yes.
 
2014-04-22 11:06:52 AM  

durbnpoisn: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Presumably, yes.  There is no statute of limitations on murder.


Yes but there is a constitutional limit on the number of times you can be tried for the same crime. I would argue that if the shooter has already been convicted in a criminal court of crime xxxx related to this shooting that there would be some double jeopardy involved.
 
2014-04-22 11:10:48 AM  
22 years. That's a lotta lag.
 
2014-04-22 11:12:01 AM  

Netrngr: durbnpoisn: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Presumably, yes.  There is no statute of limitations on murder.

Yes but there is a constitutional limit on the number of times you can be tried for the same crime. I would argue that if the shooter has already been convicted in a criminal court of crime xxxx related to this shooting that there would be some double jeopardy involved.


Not in this case.  Because he was charged and convicted of assault.  Now that it's murder, it's a whole new charge.
 
2014-04-22 11:12:52 AM  

Prey4reign: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Yes.


this happened in Philly also and the victim was a cop so the DA asked for the death penalty to on the table.
//Really the guy died of a urinary tract infection not a gun shot. Whose to say he could not have gotten an infection if he had not been shot???
 
2014-04-22 11:13:19 AM  

Khellendros: Many states have  a "year and a day" rule, meaning that unless they died withing 366 days of the infliction of the wound, they can't be charged with murder, only the assault/maiming/bodily harm/etc of the initial attack.  Looks like it may not apply here, but worth noting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_and_a_day_rule


Came for the year and a day rule...leaving satisfied.  Now, if we can only get a fertile octogenarian I'll be in high clover.
 
2014-04-22 11:13:37 AM  

cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Yes the criminal probably thought

//puts on sunglasses

he dodged the bullet on a murder rap.
 
2014-04-22 11:15:09 AM  
My grandfather in law was shot in WWI, the bullet lodged by his kidneys right on his spine. Whenever he tried to lift something he would black out from the pain. But the bullet shifted causing him mobility issues. He was basically bed ridden at the end of his life.

Paralysis is a weird thing. All sorts of health problems can come from paralysis. I am thinking of Christopher Reeves who was a quadrapalegic and died of an infected bed sore.
 
2014-04-22 11:18:09 AM  
Disappointed that it wasn't lead poisoning.
 
2014-04-22 11:19:47 AM  

BafflerMeal: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Yes.  If death is a direct result of the shooting, yes.

This is also why we should keep an eye on Harry Whittington.  While I wish him no ill will, he's the gatekeeper for a Cheney murder rap...


Wow, dude, you really need to move on with your life; that kind of hate can't be healthy.
 
2014-04-22 11:21:17 AM  
A recent documentary on the slave-labor building of the Burma railroad in WWII had a very old survivor look in the camera and say "I had my latest nightmare about it 3 weeks ago". Some things never heal.
 
2014-04-22 11:25:44 AM  

soupafi: vudukungfu: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Oh yeah.
If you take a long time to kill someone.
They can take a long time to charge you

So would his death be a new crime then?


I would imagine that they'd take whatever time already served and reduce his murder sentence by that much.

Then again, IANAL.
 
2014-04-22 11:27:47 AM  

Private_Citizen: 22 years to take him out? The shooter should have used something with more stopping power.


I don't know, even an old .22 can take someone out quickly depending on where a person is shot.
 
2014-04-22 11:28:14 AM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: BafflerMeal: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Yes.  If death is a direct result of the shooting, yes.

This is also why we should keep an eye on Harry Whittington.  While I wish him no ill will, he's the gatekeeper for a Cheney murder rap...

Wow, dude, you really need to move on with your life; that kind of hate can't be healthy.


Whittington almost died. Emergency surgery when one of the shot moved during recovery. And you're right. One look at Cheney and you can tell that kind of hate can't be healthy. How many hearts and other thingees has he had in his chest?

/greed and hate and cowardice
 
2014-04-22 11:28:40 AM  

Private_Citizen: 22 years to take him out? The shooter should have used something with more stopping power.


No, it was one of those slow bullets from Dune
 
2014-04-22 11:29:37 AM  

durbnpoisn: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?

Presumably, yes.  There is no statute of limitations on murder.


Which also means that if someone got away with it because of the statute of limitations for assault, they can now be prosecuted...in theory anyway... actually,  I could swear this was on an episode of Law & Order
 
2014-04-22 11:31:18 AM  
gunshot wounds...22 years

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2014-04-22 11:31:58 AM  
Timefragged
 
2014-04-22 11:34:46 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: [images.fineartamerica.com image 702x900]

Feels his pain.


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-04-22 11:35:02 AM  

BafflerMeal: cgraves67: They are considering pressing charges. So if the shooter was already convicted of assualt with a deadly weapon or attempted murder, can they charge him with homicide 22 years later for the same crime?


Yes.  If death is a direct result of the shooting, yes.


No, absolutely not.

If he had not been convicted of anything from the initial act, they could charge him.  But if he's already been convicted (or acquitted) of a crime based on the initial act, they cannot bring new charges.  It is not a separate crime.  Had the guy died after he was charged with assault but before he was convicted, they could add a murder or manslaughter charge.  But they don't get a "second bite of the apple" once the verdict is in.

"Considering" new charges doesn't mean that the prosecutor is actually stupid enough to file them.  It likely just means that some cop made an uneducated comment to a reporter.
 
2014-04-22 11:36:24 AM  
decades ago, in France, an aggrieved Nuke worker put reactive material under the seat of his boss's auto.
The boss's commute was 45 minutes each way.
After some months said boss began to have symptoms of Radiation Poisoning.
Some detective work discovered the material and the person that placed it.

French courts were wondering how to prosecute this as it had made the boss ill, didn't kill him, he would recover, and enjoyed a shorter lifespan.  Instead of 90 (for example) the boss would only live to 70.
How to prosecute that?
I've never found out what they did.  Interesting though.
 
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