lilplatinum: brimed03: It's not and, except for the bit about productivity, I agree. Don't show up to your brother's wedding in pajamas. Don't show up to grandpa's funeral in shorts and a Juggaloes tee. Don't show up to the classy gentleman's club in a collar-less shirt.Seriously, dressing better for the nudie bar than for church? Yes: unlike the nudie bar, the church will (or should) warmly welcome you *whatever* you wear. That doesn't mean you take advantage of that by wearing crap if you've got better. God doesn't care, but show some respect for where you are and the people you're with.People should certainly understand where they are and dress applicably, you should not show up to formal events like a funeral or a wedding outside of how that event expects people to dress. That would be disrespectful to the *people* hosting the event.I suppose churches should set this expectation before a question of "disrespect" can be ascertained - if it is a formal church that expects it, than I assume that could be taken as "disrspectful" towards those who run the church (although, If I were still a follower of mesopotamian mythology I would probably think it is more disrespectful to waste money that could be going to helping the poor and dry cleaning my suit so that I can show off to my peers in a meaningless display of peacocking).The idiots who decry the fact that people no longer dress up to get on planes, or that employees who don't see customers should somehow have to wear suits like I do are just old people angry that the world has changed, just like I am sure their grandparents decried thing x they did that was 'disrespectful' to their lemming like servitude towards tradition.
WeenerGord: brimed03: Seriously, dressing better for the nudie bar than for church? Yes: unlike the nudie bar, the church will (or should) warmly welcome you *whatever* you wear. That doesn't mean you take advantage of that by wearing crap if you've got better. God doesn't care, but show some respect for where you are and the people you're with.Apparently, there are some churches where you can wear actual crap, and urine too, running down your leg, and the well dressed rich will love on you for it congratulate each other for tolerating you. Go figure.
ciberido: brimed03: And then everybody loses their minds when the Catholics "refuse to get with the 21st century" over issues with actual faith implications like reproductive technology.I realize you aren't speaking of me specifically, and I hesitate to say anything to you that is defensive or argumentative, since you've been very polite and rational, two characteristics rather uncommon in Fark threads. Yet I'd like to address that point all the same, and I'm sorry to say it will be argumentative. Bear in mind I am a Christian but not a Catholic; if that makes my argument any more or less valid in your mind, so be it.None of these issues are new. Birth control predates Jesus. Abortion predates Jesus. Gay marriage predates the Bible (even if it didn't, would you argue the Bible forbids something that didn't exist yet?) Female priests predate Christianity, and the Catholic Church in particular ordained female bishops and deaconesses for hundreds of years before that changed in the 12th century. As Ecclesiastes 1:9 says, there is nothing new under the sun. So, I'm sorry, but "the Church changes glacially on many things" isn't really an excuse. You have had since before you even existed to "get with the times" --- and the farking BC times at that.If you truly believe that the Catholic Church's positions reflect the Will of God, then by all means, stick to your guns and more power to you. We can agree to disagree and go our separate ways. But please do not try to make excuses about history and tradition and slow change. None of that applies to topics that predate the birth of Christ.
brimed03: See, you hit the nail on the head, but the wrong way. Churches shouldn't need to clarify that they are "formal"; wearing one's Sunday best has been the expectation, so if anything they would need to clarify that they are "casual."
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