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2014-04-22 10:39:40 AM
This is why churches like Calvary continue to grow while Catholicism and other frumpy, tradition heavy churches stagnate.  There is nothing wrong with going to church in cargo shorts and flipflops.  Hell, Jesus wore a toga.
 
2014-04-22 10:40:47 AM
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2014-04-22 10:44:22 AM

vudukungfu: jasonvatch: Matthew 6:
"28 "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you-you of little faith?"

So... go buck naked?


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2014-04-22 10:45:47 AM
Dressing appropriately is a thing of the past.  It makes no difference if you're talking about church, business, or even going out.

One of the things that children learn is that having different clothes for different activities defines appropriate behavior for the activity.  For example, growing up, we had church clothes, school clothes and play/work clothes.  Our church clothes were never fancy - we were poor.  But when you were wearing your church clothes, a certain behavior was expected.  On Sundays, we had dinner after services and we wore our Sunday clothes because we ate in the dining room with what passed for our good dishes and silverware.  And a higher order of manners was expected.  Most often, we had dinner with the extended family and Grandmother was very exacting about what constituted Sunday manners.

When we went to school, we obviously had our school clothes on.  Again, that dictated a certain kind of behavior and you were expected to behave in school.  Even when we played at recess, we played differently than when we had our play clothes on.  For example, we often had a baseball game going on during recesses at school.  No matter how great the temptation, one would never slide into 2nd base wearing school clothes.  When wearing play clothes, however, he wouldn't hesitate.

It's the same for military, police, sports teams, etc.  When you have the uniform on, certain behavior is expected.

As for church, the lack of any dress standards is part of the problem with the church.  There is no respect for a church when half of the congregation on a Sunday morning is dressed in a manner that would not permit then to enter the sports bar on Saturday night.

When I first entered the ranks of management, office workers were expected to wear suits, white shirts, and ties.  One could remove one's jacket in the confines of his office but jackets were always worn at meetings or when meeting with customers or suppliers.  Women often wore suits but with skirts.  Nowadays, wearing a tie in an office is a rarity.  I was a consultant for over 25 years and worked with clients all over the country.  During that part of my career is when the dress codes changed in offices.  Having observed the change in a couple of companies, including 2 Fortune 100 companies, I would posit that productivity declined after the relaxation of dress codes.  The employees didn't become dumber or lazier or less creative but the sense of urgency, the standards of professionalism, and the sense of decorum dropped dramatically.

We used to say that "Clothes make the man."  That may not have been true but clothes can definitely shape his  behavior.
 
2014-04-22 10:47:37 AM
Good luck with that, you cant even get some of these miscreants to dress decently for their court dates
 
2014-04-22 10:55:53 AM

naughtyrev: Diogenes: "Blessed are the dressmakers, for they will clothe the children of God."

Matthew 5:9

I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers".


Blessed are the pizza makers, heathen.
 
2014-04-22 10:56:05 AM

NewWorldDan: If my wife's church is typical, they should be happy that anyone under the age of 50 is coming to church.


We split our time between our local parish up the block and our old family parish in the city. At the old city church I'd say 80% of the churchgoers are over 50. When we take our 1 and 3 year old we either get the complete stink eye of hate or smiles and approving nods. Whenever the kids are a bit noisy the priest makes sure to mention that a church filled with the cries of youth is a growing church.

/Wish it had a crying room
 
2014-04-22 10:57:23 AM

Mr. Right: When I first entered the ranks of management, office workers were expected to wear suits, white shirts, and ties. One could remove one's jacket in the confines of his office but jackets were always worn at meetings or when meeting with customers or suppliers. Women often wore suits but with skirts. Nowadays, wearing a tie in an office is a rarity. I was a consultant for over 25 years and worked with clients all over the country. During that part of my career is when the dress codes changed in offices. Having observed the change in a couple of companies, including 2 Fortune 100 companies, I would posit that productivity declined after the relaxation of dress codes. The employees didn't become dumber or lazier or less creative but the sense of urgency, the standards of professionalism, and the sense of decorum dropped dramatically.


Is this a troll account that I'm not aware of?
 
2014-04-22 10:57:34 AM
Brought to you by a guy who thinks Jesus was white.
 
2014-04-22 10:58:22 AM

bhcompy: This is why churches like Calvary continue to grow while Catholicism and other frumpy, tradition heavy churches stagnate.  There is nothing wrong with going to church in cargo shorts and flipflops.  Hell, Jesus wore a toga.


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2014-04-22 11:00:33 AM

gunslinger_RG: Everything wrong with American Christian Right is actually nut shelled in this article if you study it.   American Christian right fundie's today, are not arguing over actual tenets of Christian dogma or parts of high theology but they are up in arms over their TRADITIONS as they have come to know them.  You dress for church, women have a certain role, gays don't come out of the closet, and black men don't get to be president.  It is why they make no sense in terms of actual Christianity because that is not in any way shape or form what they are fighting for at all.

They are pissed the world changed and their traditions are giving way.. as all traditions must... to a new dawn and a new age.


One of the biggest controversies among Christians today (in terms of what causes a regular churchgoer to leave one church to go to another) is whether the church service uses "modern" or "traditional" music.  This includes replacing choirs with "praise teams," or using "nontraditional" instruments like drums and guitars, or singing newer songs in addition to the ones your grandmother sang at church.  Churches actually self-destruct over this issue.  New pastor comes in, maybe brings in a new music director, someone decides to update the music, adds new songs, brings in a praise team with drums and guitars, and the people over 50 go nuts.  There are arguments, meetings, the new guy refuses to go back to the way it was, and most of the older folks go to some other church that still does things the old fashioned way.  Then, because the congregation is only half the size it used to be, there are budget cuts, projects get cancelled, more people drift away.  The church may weather the storm and bounce back, or it may implode.

Down the street, the traditional church?  It's less dramatic, but it's dwindling because most of the congregation is that over-50 crowd and they're not getting any younger.  They're loyal and they stick with the church to the bitter end, but the nice young couples with two kids who just moved into the area won't join.  They don't want 12 people in robes singing "Bringing in the Sheaves" while Mildred the octogenarian plays the piano.  No young couples and no kids means this church is dying, too --- just more slowly.  When you have more funerals than baptisms plus weddings, you're doomed.

Some churches try to keep everyone happy by having both a "contemporary" service and a "traditional service," but that has its own set of problems.  It's much more work for everyone involved, for one thing, and it really only works if your congregation was large enough (compared to the size of the physical building) that you pretty much needed to do double services anyway to accommodate the numbers.  And even then the mere fact that a contemporary service happens is enough to piss off some of the more crotchety oldtimers.

Yes, it's petty and trivial and ridiculous, but this is causing churches to self-destruct all over the USA.  And that's just the music, don't even get me started on pews and baptismal immersion and a million other nitpicks that churchgoers lose their freaking minds over.
 
2014-04-22 11:00:51 AM

naughtyrev: I don't really think Jesus would have given a damn what you wore as long as you were listening to him.


True enough, but it also means that you don't give a damn about Jesus if you really get offended at the idea of combing your hair and finding a pair of least-ripped jeans. The whole "I'm going to wear whatever shiat I want to church." attitude is to be expected, of course, when one lives in WalMartia. After all, if the rest of culture is becoming nothing but fodder for People of WalMart, church will be, too.

So, fly your "WalMart is my soul!" flag high! Go to church in cut-offs and flip-flops, and be MORTALLY OFFENDED that anyone would think it's not the best of all possible things to wear. Glory in your WalMart mind! Revel in your WalMart life!
 
2014-04-22 11:03:29 AM
WWJW?....Oh yeah.  A loincloth and crown of thorns.
 
2014-04-22 11:06:09 AM

Mike Literous: GOD HATES RAGS!1!!!!!1!!!!111


Win..... so much.... win!
 
2014-04-22 11:06:46 AM
Because if there's one thing Jesus wanted, it was a single, centralized, oppulent structure where people could come to once a week to grow their faith and where folks who did not wear the proper attire were shunned and turned away.
 
2014-04-22 11:07:30 AM

avratt: WWJW?....Oh yeah.  A loincloth and crown of thorns.


And these same people raggin' about attendees wearing clothes would rag about HIM, too!
 
2014-04-22 11:08:34 AM
The Bible sends mixed messages about the concept of wearing your Sunday best everything.

FTFTFA
 
2014-04-22 11:08:36 AM
I read that article on Sunday morning as I was getting ready to go to church.
What the author is really saying is that he does not like how our culture has changed.  Because it is our culture, not the church members which is doing this.   I'm sure that somewhere in the past someone else was upset that people stopped wearing hand sewn clothes and instead wore finely woven fabric sewed with a machine.
Your respect is not always shown by what you wear, but how you act.  There are very poor people who attend our church and are obviously wearing donated clothing, we don't change how we treat them.  For everyone it is nice to see them, glad they came.  No judging, no criticism, etc.  Of course we are not the kind of church who has a rock band or some fool prancing about on a stage screaming at everyone.  That is what I find more offensive, the person running the service needs to act with a bit more dignity.
 
2014-04-22 11:09:15 AM

Silly_Sot: naughtyrev: I don't really think Jesus would have given a damn what you wore as long as you were listening to him.

True enough, but it also means that you don't give a damn about Jesus if you really get offended at the idea of combing your hair and finding a pair of least-ripped jeans. The whole "I'm going to wear whatever shiat I want to church." attitude is to be expected, of course, when one lives in WalMartia. After all, if the rest of culture is becoming nothing but fodder for People of WalMart, church will be, too.

So, fly your "WalMart is my soul!" flag high! Go to church in cut-offs and flip-flops, and be MORTALLY OFFENDED that anyone would think it's not the best of all possible things to wear. Glory in your WalMart mind! Revel in your WalMart life!


Meh.  I live in Southern California.  The churches in my community have surf competitions.  Concern over what one wears to church is way down the list of important things to worry about from the churches perspective and has nothing to do with socioeconomic status.
 
2014-04-22 11:09:38 AM
HEY! LEPER!

Ya, YOU! GIT outta here!

We have a STRICT two-hands dress code here!
 
2014-04-22 11:10:30 AM
I wore jeans under my cassock for both the Easter Vigil and Sunday services so I'm getting a kick out of some of these replies...
 
2014-04-22 11:10:52 AM

cgraves67: naughtyrev: I don't really think Jesus would have given a damn what you wore as long as you were listening to him.

That is my take on it. If Jesus loves me, he will love me in jeans and a t-shirt just as much as slacks and a button-down with a tie.


True. But, if you show up to church in jeans and a t-shirt, the rest of us might be forgiven for thinking you're a poorly socialized slob.

/atheist, but understands situation-appropriate attire
//my lawn, and so forth...
 
2014-04-22 11:11:21 AM

NewWorldDan: If my wife's church is typical, they should be happy that anyone under the age of 50 is coming to church.


If I may expound a bit on my last post, there's a big divide between the over-50 crowd and the under-40 crowd, with folks in their 40s being largely in transition between those two groups.  The over-50s want things to be very traditional and the under-40s want what's often called "contemporary services," with one of the differences between the two being that the traditional crowd still wears their Sunday best and the contemporaries don't care if you wear jeans and a t-shirt.  There are other differences.

And more and more they go do different churches altogether.  Churches are choosing (and very deliberately and consciously) whether to cater to the young folks or the old fogies, and churchgoers are, in turn, voting with their feet.

Your wife could cross the street and find a church with few people OVER 50.
 
2014-04-22 11:13:47 AM

naughtyrev: Diogenes: "Blessed are the dressmakers, for they will clothe the children of God."

Matthew 5:9

I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers".


Not Beermakers?  How about winemakers?  Perhaps condommakers?  Bluntmakers?  Not Bankers? or Conservative  Politicians?  Pot Growers?  How about Breast Augmentation makers?
I like Breast Augmentation makers best of all - Matt would've liked 'em too, I'm sure of it.
 
2014-04-22 11:15:33 AM

Diogenes


You can't wear cheese. Unless you're Gaga or something.



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2014-04-22 11:16:50 AM

Englebert Slaptyback: Diogenes

You can't wear cheese. Unless you're Gaga or something.

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LOL.  I'm going to need a ref on that!
 
2014-04-22 11:18:53 AM

Silly_Sot: naughtyrev: I don't really think Jesus would have given a damn what you wore as long as you were listening to him.

True enough, but it also means that you don't give a damn about Jesus if you really get offended at the idea of combing your hair and finding a pair of least-ripped jeans. The whole "I'm going to wear whatever shiat I want to church." attitude is to be expected, of course, when one lives in WalMartia. After all, if the rest of culture is becoming nothing but fodder for People of WalMart, church will be, too.

So, fly your "WalMart is my soul!" flag high! Go to church in cut-offs and flip-flops, and be MORTALLY OFFENDED that anyone would think it's not the best of all possible things to wear. Glory in your WalMart mind! Revel in your WalMart life!


Couple of facts here: 1) I don't go to church. Haven't been to one other than for weddings in over 30 years. I honestly don't give a damn about Jesus. 2) I don't shop at WalMart. I don't even know where one is near me. 3) I wear a suit to the office 5 days a week, and really the only time I'm bumming around in flip-flops is on the beach.

All that said, I don't care what people wear to church, because it has no impact on my life.
 
2014-04-22 11:21:36 AM

Felix_T_Cat: One of my Pastors worked in a previous church that split over something as stupid as whether men could wear baseball caps during the service.  That said, the women here took one of the young girls aside and said, "Hey, you are not just your cleavage."

The scriptural precedent could be that if you're doing something that doesn't matter, but upsets other people, you should stop in consideration for their weakness.



You're probably referring to  Romans 14:1-4, and while I agree with you in principle, the problem is that pretty much EVERYTHING upsets somebody.  To use the specific example Paul used, do you really think that, because SOME Christians might be offended by eating meat or see non-vegetarianism as sinful, that every Christian in the world should practice vegetarianism "in consideration for their weakness"?  That seems rather extreme and impractical.

Also what about Romans 14:3 specifically, where Paul says "the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them"?  Is that not saying that God commands we NOT JUDGE the person who wears a baseball cap or shows off a little too much cleavage?
 
2014-04-22 11:27:04 AM
Heh. Reminds me of when I was a kid in Puerto Rico and Sunday morning church was basically a fashion show. Puerto Ricans dress appropriately (and possibly overdress) for everything. If I went to church now, I'd feel weird going in jeans or flip-flops but realize that if there is an all-loving God, He probably wouldn't care what you're wearing. Cuz he would love you. (Obviously he doesn't cuz, well... look at the world we live in now. But that's my problem, I'll deal with it.)
 
2014-04-22 11:28:04 AM

hasty ambush: showed some respect for the occasion.


That's the key. Respect. People hate the idea that they should have to respect anything.

rev. dave: Your respect is not always shown by what you wear, but how you act.


How you dress is part of how you act. It's a conscious choice. When you are choosing to wear informal clothing to a formal occasion, you are acting, and your actions are showing disrespect for your surroundings and for the other people there who did take the time to look presentable.

bhcompy: Mr. Right: When I first entered the ranks of management, office workers were expected to wear suits, white shirts, and ties. One could remove one's jacket in the confines of his office but jackets were always worn at meetings or when meeting with customers or suppliers. Women often wore suits but with skirts. Nowadays, wearing a tie in an office is a rarity. I was a consultant for over 25 years and worked with clients all over the country. During that part of my career is when the dress codes changed in offices. Having observed the change in a couple of companies, including 2 Fortune 100 companies, I would posit that productivity declined after the relaxation of dress codes. The employees didn't become dumber or lazier or less creative but the sense of urgency, the standards of professionalism, and the sense of decorum dropped dramatically.

Is this a troll account that I'm not aware of?


What would make you think that? Because somebody has the temerity to say something that doesn't support your pre-existing opinions about how great it is to dress like a slob?
 
2014-04-22 11:28:32 AM

Diogenes: gunslinger_RG: Everything wrong with American Christian Right is actually nut shelled in this article if you study it.   American Christian right fundie's today, are not arguing over actual tenets of Christian dogma or parts of high theology but they are up in arms over their TRADITIONS as they have come to know them.  You dress for church, women have a certain role, gays don't come out of the closet, and black men don't get to be president.  It is why they make no sense in terms of actual Christianity because that is not in any way shape or form what they are fighting for at all.

They are pissed the world changed and their traditions are giving way.. as all traditions must... to a new dawn and a new age.  Christ is liberal enough to move forward into the future.  These poor sobs are just going to wail in their little churches about the end of the world when it is just really the end of the world as they have known it.

Oh their faith turns out to be so weak and small.

And for people who drone on about the Puritans, they sure misunderstand the sticking points that made them come here.

They didn't like having others telling them how they should observe their faith.  They thought (rightly) that many of the traditions were a joke.  Every time the War on Christmas noise starts I have to laugh, sadly, at how badly the noisemakers just don't get it.


And do you know why they were told to STFU?  Because they had spent several decades trying to tell everyone else how to worship - and even killed a king over it.  The Puritans were not a small band of meek, quiet lambs, just sitting around England, being sweet and innocent until the mean ole CoE decided to grind them under.  They were the farking Taliban of their day, with their own Oliver bin Cromwell leading the charge to turn England into a wasteland of constipated parsimoniousness.  Hell, the English brought back Charles II simply because they were tired of judgmental sanctimonious Puritanism.  The major failing of Charles was not to ruthlessly and utterly exterminate every sour-faced monochrome motherfarker off the face of the Earth.  Letting the flagrantly socipathic scum infect America was way more of a justification for independence than the Stamp Act - if the British government couldn't protect good, honest colonists from those vermin, it didn't deserve to run the colonies.
 
2014-04-22 11:28:50 AM
"Put the mouse back in the house," saith the Lord.

Or something.  Pretty sure that's in there.
 
2014-04-22 11:31:52 AM

cptjeff: bhcompy: Mr. Right: When I first entered the ranks of management, office workers were expected to wear suits, white shirts, and ties. One could remove one's jacket in the confines of his office but jackets were always worn at meetings or when meeting with customers or suppliers. Women often wore suits but with skirts. Nowadays, wearing a tie in an office is a rarity. I was a consultant for over 25 years and worked with clients all over the country. During that part of my career is when the dress codes changed in offices. Having observed the change in a couple of companies, including 2 Fortune 100 companies, I would posit that productivity declined after the relaxation of dress codes. The employees didn't become dumber or lazier or less creative but the sense of urgency, the standards of professionalism, and the sense of decorum dropped dramatically.

Is this a troll account that I'm not aware of?


What would make you think that? Because somebody has the temerity to say something that doesn't support your pre-existing opinions about how great it is to dress like a slob?


Wow, you REALLY enjoying making up other people's motives, I see.  You know, if people disagreeing with you chaps your ass this much, Fark might not be the best place for you.
 
2014-04-22 11:33:21 AM
I am part of a small congregation, we like it small and on Easter everyone wore nice clothes, but very few suits.  Some of us like me get hot very fast so I try to look nice while staying cool, so no suit jackets.
Sometimes during the summer, you will see people in shorts and t-shirts.  It is no big deal, we don't have one of those churches as a social meeting type of congregations.  I think everyone ends up going where they feel they belong.  Every place is different.
But I also know that the clothes I wear at home and to Wal-Mart are not the same clothes I wear to work.  I thought everyone understood those boundaries.
 
2014-04-22 11:33:53 AM

Diogenes


LOL. I'm going to need a ref on that!


It's from the 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' television series. The gang is watching a movie and they all fall asleep. Everyone has different dreams but the "cheese man" is in all of them for some reason.

Anyway, it seemed to be the most logical response to your post. :-)
 
2014-04-22 11:35:16 AM
I am Pope Francis' smug satisfaction and smirking grin.
 
2014-04-22 11:35:25 AM

hasty ambush: People don't know how to dress for anything anymore be it work church , court a or just being seen in public-have some self dignity people. You should see the way some folks show up for job interviews. I kid you not, one woman came in to fill out an application at our HR in jogging shorts and heels.

I don't go to church on any regular basis , just for things like wedding or when the SO drags me to one of her things but people dress like slobs. Nobody says buy and wear expensive clothes but at least make sure they are clean and no flip flops,shorts or (as much as Like seeing good looking chicks in them ) short skirts and stripper heels. Heck even as kids we, weren't rich (6 kids in my family) but we had one set of clothes and shoes set aside for things like church, weddings, school events etc,. They were not fancy and they were often hand me downs but we looked presentable and showed some respect for the occasion.

How often to we hear about how easy it is to spot the Americans at Disney land or elsewhere by the way they dress?


Can somebody find/link last year's thread from the article on Bieber wearing overalls or whatever to the White House? I want to compare the Farker handles between that thread and this. See how much kneejerk anti-religion hypocrisy is going on. And who's doing it.
 
2014-04-22 11:35:56 AM
Even worse than church: ritzy country clubs. My sister dated a rich guy (endodontist) who was a member of the local country club, and he would invite the family up there for their buffet dinners on special occasions. One time I wore some jeans - really nice, brand new jeans - and caught hell. There was no posted prohibition of jeans, and no one said anything to my face, but the waiter eventually came over and said the maitre d' had received a complaint from one of the members that I was wearing jeans. I could not get up and go to the buffet table for the rest of the meal and had to have food brought to me, and beeline for the exit when the meal was done. One of the most humiliating experiences ever, and for wearing jeans? And to think that somebody actually had the nerve to complain about it! As one of those upper crust ladies might say, "Well, I never!"

The next year we went, the sign at the front that once read "GENTS - PLEASE REMOVE HATS" read "NO HATS, BLUE JEANS OR CELL PHONES."

Needless to say, I would never waste my money on one of those snooty clubs, even if I was raking it in.
 
2014-04-22 11:37:10 AM

naughtyrev: I don't really think Jesus would have given a damn what you wore as long as you were listening to him.


Poor and whore, come unto me?
 
2014-04-22 11:37:56 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Johnny, what can you make of this?


I can make a hat, or a brooch, or a pterodactyl...
 
2014-04-22 11:38:39 AM

Mike Literous: GOD HATES RAGS!1!!!!!1!!!!111


win
 
2014-04-22 11:39:41 AM
img.fark.net
 
2014-04-22 11:40:59 AM

gunslinger_RG: Everything wrong with American Christian Right is actually nut shelled in this article if you study it.   American Christian right fundie's today, are not arguing over actual tenets of Christian dogma or parts of high theology but they are up in arms over their TRADITIONS as they have come to know them.  You dress for church, women have a certain role, gays don't come out of the closet, and black men don't get to be president.  It is why they make no sense in terms of actual Christianity because that is not in any way shape or form what they are fighting for at all.

They are pissed the world changed and their traditions are giving way.. as all traditions must... to a new dawn and a new age.  Christ is liberal enough to move forward into the future.  These poor sobs are just going to wail in their little churches about the end of the world when it is just really the end of the world as they have known it.

Oh their faith turns out to be so weak and small.


What's funnier is that Jesus stated that they have made the word of God invalid by their traditions (Matthew chapter 15):

Then there came to Jesus from Jerusalem Pharisees and scribes, saying: "Why do your disciples overstep the tradition of the men of former times? For example, they do not wash their hands when about to eat a meal."In reply he said to them: "Why do you overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? For example, God said, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'Let the one who speaks abusively of his father or mother be put to death.' But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother: "Whatever I have that could benefit you is a gift dedicated to God," he need not honor his father at all.' So you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition. You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you when he said: 'This people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from me. It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.'"
 
2014-04-22 11:41:19 AM

destrip


Even worse than church: ritzy country clubs. My sister dated a rich guy (endodontist) who was a member of the local country club, and he would invite the family up there for their buffet dinners on special occasions. One time I wore some jeans - really nice, brand new jeans - and caught hell.


I am surprised that you were surprised by this. Were you completely unfamiliar with the concept of a "country club"?

Even if your only CC experience was watching 'Caddyshack', you were an invited guest for dinner so a little extra effort would have been expected.
 
2014-04-22 11:43:07 AM

Diogenes: naughtyrev: Diogenes: "Blessed are the dressmakers, for they will clothe the children of God."

Matthew 5:9

I think it was "Blessed are the cheesemakers".

You can't wear cheese.  Unless you're Gaga or something.


or from Green Bay......
 
2014-04-22 11:43:46 AM

ciberido: NewWorldDan: If my wife's church is typical, they should be happy that anyone under the age of 50 is coming to church.

If I may expound a bit on my last post, there's a big divide between the over-50 crowd and the under-40 crowd, with folks in their 40s being largely in transition between those two groups.  The over-50s want things to be very traditional and the under-40s want what's often called "contemporary services," with one of the differences between the two being that the traditional crowd still wears their Sunday best and the contemporaries don't care if you wear jeans and a t-shirt.  There are other differences.

And more and more they go do different churches altogether.  Churches are choosing (and very deliberately and consciously) whether to cater to the young folks or the old fogies, and churchgoers are, in turn, voting with their feet.

Your wife could cross the street and find a church with few people OVER 50.


Traditional Service = soul-crushing monotony interspersed with jeremiads about how 1830s America was the Golden Age of Christianity and if the darkies, women, and poor would just accept that rape and lynching are God's gifts life would be better.

Contemporary Service = soul-crushing monotony interspersed with horribly vapid songs performed by people so musically incompetent passers-by would charge them for busking.

I always thought you couldn't get more useless than a traditional service - until I attended a contemporary one and realized there were entire depths of vacuousness that had not been plumbed.  Pretty much gave up on church after that, when I realized that in 25 years, I had heard a grand total of 3 sermons that weren't complete dreck.
 
2014-04-22 11:44:53 AM

Mike Literous: GOD HATES RAGS!1!!!!!1!!!!111


Huh. I think you just won the internet.
 
2014-04-22 11:45:38 AM

ciberido: cptjeff: bhcompy: Mr. Right: When I first entered the ranks of management, office workers were expected to wear suits, white shirts, and ties. One could remove one's jacket in the confines of his office but jackets were always worn at meetings or when meeting with customers or suppliers. Women often wore suits but with skirts. Nowadays, wearing a tie in an office is a rarity. I was a consultant for over 25 years and worked with clients all over the country. During that part of my career is when the dress codes changed in offices. Having observed the change in a couple of companies, including 2 Fortune 100 companies, I would posit that productivity declined after the relaxation of dress codes. The employees didn't become dumber or lazier or less creative but the sense of urgency, the standards of professionalism, and the sense of decorum dropped dramatically.

Is this a troll account that I'm not aware of?


What would make you think that? Because somebody has the temerity to say something that doesn't support your pre-existing opinions about how great it is to dress like a slob?

Wow, you REALLY enjoying making up other people's motives, I see.  You know, if people disagreeing with you chaps your ass this much, Fark might not be the best place for you.


Oh, poor little baby. Did somebody on the internet hurt your feelings?

The poster I was responding to called a perfectly reasonable post trolling. I wanted to confront them on the judgement they made to force them to examine why they made it. Given the attitude of most people on fark towards the entire concept of formal attire, it's not hard to guess what that motivation was. I might be wrong about their motivation, but if I were a betting man, I'd put money on that particular one.
 
2014-04-22 11:48:20 AM

Mr. Right: I would posit that productivity declined after the relaxation of dress codes. The employees didn't become dumber or lazier or less creative but the sense of urgency, the standards of professionalism, and the sense of decorum dropped dramatically.


Posit all you want, but there is plenty of research that proves you have it backwards. As dress codes have relaxed, productivity has exploded. Granted, my office is very casual, but the only folks here in suits are incompetent, and hide behind their dress. The best workers here don't worry over much about their fashion.
 
2014-04-22 11:51:02 AM
Religious people are pretty much assholes.
 
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