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(MLive.com)   You'd think "evidence collection" would beat "organ harvesting" on the priority list when a kid is killed. You'd be wrong   (mlive.com) divider line 120
    More: Strange, Saginaw County, Elijah Dillard, Saginaw, Gift of Life, evidence collection, Brian Zubel, medical examiners, organs  
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2014-04-21 09:20:21 PM  
Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

Where I live the medical examiner and the organ procurement agency (LifeLink) have very well established cooperative agreements for just this sort of thing. Most organ donations are from violent injuries, and many of those are criminal violence.

It is my opinion that Dr. Kanu Virani is either lying, incompetent or more probably both. Organ donation does not preclude a medicolegal examination by a pathologist. I'm disgusted that a judge would sign any order proffered by a police officer that contravened existing law.
 
2014-04-21 09:30:24 PM  

feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.


Exactly.  I'd say the potential to save multiple lives takes precedence over helping the police make a stronger case over who they think the guilty party is.
 
2014-04-22 12:01:06 AM  

feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.


Lack of evidence collection could get set the boy's killer free (should it come to trial).  Usually there isn't so large a conflict, but sometimes you can't have it both ways.
 
2014-04-22 12:10:54 AM  

Ambivalence: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

Lack of evidence collection could get set the boy's killer free (should it come to trial).  Usually there isn't so large a conflict, but sometimes you can't have it both ways.


Punishing a killer can't save multiple lives, multiple forms of evidence exist, and organ transplants have a very real time limit.
 
2014-04-22 12:19:26 AM  

Ambivalence: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

Lack of evidence collection could get set the boy's killer free (should it come to trial).  Usually there isn't so large a conflict, but sometimes you can't have it both ways.


Better a killer go free than an innocent kid die from lack of a vital organ becoming available in time.
 
2014-04-22 01:00:11 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

Lack of evidence collection could get set the boy's killer free (should it come to trial).  Usually there isn't so large a conflict, but sometimes you can't have it both ways.

Better a killer go free than an innocent kid die from lack of a vital organ becoming available in time.


I blame the kids. If their organs were so important to them they should have taken better care of them.
 
2014-04-22 04:21:38 AM  
I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, you've got the possibility of gathering more evidence. On the other, you've got the possibility of helping save the life of another person. This is really serious, and I'm glad smart people are trying to make the right decision, even if it means that a killer has the opportunity to kill again.

Maybe the killer will kill the kid that got the organs. That would be ironic. But yeah, this is very serious. Not something we should joke about.
 
2014-04-22 04:49:03 AM  

feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.


preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.
 
2014-04-22 04:56:21 AM  

log_jammin: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.


Maybe, but preservation of life now trumps what may or may not happen in the future.
 
Skr
2014-04-22 04:58:39 AM  
Seems like this was a pissing contest between the two parties. Will be so nice when we can 3D Print parts on demand instead of relying on tragedy.
 
2014-04-22 05:00:36 AM  
These motherf*cking vultures are suing the local government because they didn't get to scavenge pieces off the corpse of a murdered child? F*ck them.
 
2014-04-22 05:03:39 AM  
Just play'in armchair pathologist, but wouldn't the obvious cause be the brain swelling from that blunt force trauma? Also, they had two or three days of bruise development to document anything else. The squishy organs would have either been mashed beyond transplantability, or hold no probative evidence.
 
2014-04-22 05:10:28 AM  

HotWingAgenda: These motherf*cking vultures are suing the local government because they didn't get to scavenge pieces off the corpse of a murdered child? F*ck them.


I think you learned about organ donation and harvesting from Monty Python.

www.intriguing.com

"We've come for your liver."
 
2014-04-22 05:13:50 AM  
People thinking the organ harvesters are doing it all out of the goodness of their hearts and just want to save lives should look at the prices for a fresh organ. They lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on that body, and that's why they're mad. They even charge the recipient for removal and transportation, so i'm guessing most goes to administrative. Real humanitarians, those people.
 
2014-04-22 05:19:13 AM  
More examples ObamaScare's Godless policies.
 
2014-04-22 05:25:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, you've got the possibility of gathering more evidence. On the other, you've got the possibility of helping save the life of another person. This is really serious, and I'm glad smart people are trying to make the right decision, even if it means that a killer has the opportunity to kill again.


Here's the monkey wrench; Mom, who had been already been charged with a felony in the kid's death, was the one that decided to donate his organs.

Conflict of interest much?
 
2014-04-22 05:26:57 AM  

log_jammin: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.


We should add another death to a killer's charges since his actions prevented someone from benefiting from the harvested organs.
 
2014-04-22 05:29:43 AM  

Skr: Seems like this was a pissing contest between the two parties. Will be so nice when we can 3D Print parts on demand instead of relying on tragedy.


Agreed. They need to develop cloning and/or 3D printing tech to a point where they can create the necessary organs on demand.
 
2014-04-22 05:52:43 AM  
Everyone says that organ donors are a great thing until you realize that it goes towards saving Dick Cheney's life.
 
2014-04-22 05:54:26 AM  

J. Frank Parnell: People thinking the organ harvesters are doing it all out of the goodness of their hearts and just want to save lives should look at the prices for a fresh organ. They lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on that body, and that's why they're mad. They even charge the recipient for removal and transportation, so i'm guessing most goes to administrative. Real humanitarians, those people.


It is still illegal in the US to sell human body parts.  Yes, medical care costs money, though. Now, if you want to discuss the AMOUNT that is charged, then we could have a conversation.
 
2014-04-22 06:03:09 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, you've got the possibility of gathering more evidence. On the other, you've got the possibility of helping save the life of another person. This is really serious, and I'm glad smart people are trying to make the right decision, even if it means that a killer has the opportunity to kill again.

Maybe the killer will kill the kid that got the organs. That would be ironic. But yeah, this is very serious. Not something we should joke about.


Maybe the killer could strike again and produce even more organs!
 
2014-04-22 06:07:46 AM  

fusillade762: AverageAmericanGuy: I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, you've got the possibility of gathering more evidence. On the other, you've got the possibility of helping save the life of another person. This is really serious, and I'm glad smart people are trying to make the right decision, even if it means that a killer has the opportunity to kill again.

Maybe the killer will kill the kid that got the organs. That would be ironic. But yeah, this is very serious. Not something we should joke about.

Maybe the killer could strike again and produce even more organs!


That's a zero-sum game, man.
 
2014-04-22 06:08:50 AM  

pedobearapproved: We should add another death to a killer's charges since his actions prevented someone from benefiting from the harvested organs.


or we could award him for killing a child and making those organs available to save the lives of others.
 
2014-04-22 06:12:43 AM  

log_jammin: or we could award him for killing a child and making those organs available to save the lives of others.


Or we could award your killer for making your organs available.
 
2014-04-22 06:16:14 AM  
I'm not on the fence at all. The law as written allows the people most dangerous to the child - parents and guardians - to dispose of evidence.
 
2014-04-22 06:23:25 AM  

wildcardjack: Just play'in armchair pathologist, but wouldn't the obvious cause be the brain swelling from that blunt force trauma? Also, they had two or three days of bruise development to document anything else. The squishy organs would have either been mashed beyond transplantability, or hold no probative evidence.


^This. Shouldn't it be fairly obvious what organs are involved? Also, wouldn't an organ harvest allow for a thorough autopsy in the process? Just take pictures of each organ as they come out.
 
2014-04-22 06:25:45 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: r we could award your killer for making your organs available.


you don't want my organs. trust me.
 
2014-04-22 06:29:19 AM  

log_jammin: you don't want my organs. trust me.


Especially the 2 inch d***

//just kidding bro, trying to lighten up the atmosphere here.
 
2014-04-22 06:29:37 AM  
Makes you wonder why more killers don't target those who are, or ensure their target is, an organ donor, and use a method of death that will be erased by the procedure.  I realize that may not be all that simple to do, but I've put all of 30 second's thought into it, while presumably a smart killer would have all the time they need to figure it out.  Maybe that's what separates the Dexters from all the spur of the moment or passion killers.
 
2014-04-22 06:33:39 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: Especially the 2 inch d***


I wish
 
2014-04-22 06:35:26 AM  

Wodan11: Maybe that's what separates the Dexters from all


Psychopathy is what separates you.
 
2014-04-22 06:37:26 AM  
If you saw two guys named Hambone and Flippy, which one would you think liked dolphins the most? I'd say Flippy, wouldn't you? You'd be wrong, though. It's Hambone.

/Subby's headline forced that up from the depths of my memories...
 
2014-04-22 06:41:44 AM  
log_jammin: i  wish

LoL - a dude that can take a barb and get a joke - so rare on fark..
 
2014-04-22 06:43:12 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: log_jammin: i  wish

LoL - a dude that can take a barb and get a joke - so rare on fark..


Almost as rare as anybody actually being funny.
 
2014-04-22 06:44:59 AM  

jso2897: Almost as rare as anybody actually being funny.


Make us all laugh.
 
2014-04-22 06:48:26 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: jso2897: Almost as rare as anybody actually being funny.

Make us all laugh.


No.
 
2014-04-22 06:49:25 AM  

jso2897: WhoopAssWayne: jso2897: Almost as rare as anybody actually being funny.

Make us all laugh.

No.


LOL!
 
2014-04-22 07:29:03 AM  

log_jammin: jso2897: WhoopAssWayne: jso2897: Almost as rare as anybody actually being funny.

Make us all laugh.

No.

LOL!


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-22 07:32:54 AM  

NormallyTechnos: Here's the monkey wrench; Mom, who had been already been charged with a felony in the kid's death, was the one that decided to donate his organs.


I thought the dad was alleged to have killed the kid.

This article is an abomination of fragmented, disjointed points, with no coherent point to be found.  I think it's been harvested for sentences.
 
2014-04-22 07:35:27 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: Ambivalence: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

Lack of evidence collection could get set the boy's killer free (should it come to trial).  Usually there isn't so large a conflict, but sometimes you can't have it both ways.

Better a killer go free than an innocent kid die from lack of a vital organ becoming available in time.


Absolutely. He'd be re-arrested in a short period of time I'm sure.

FTFA:    the boy's father, Aki C. Dillard, inflicted the injuries on Feb. 26 and Feb. 27 at the family's home

AND THEN:  from this same article, prosecutors charged Aki Dillard, already jailed on three felonies, with first-degree premeditated murder.

So, if his father, who inflicted injuries over a two-day period "was already jailed on three felonies" How exactly did he accomplish that?

/Stupid "journalists"
 
2014-04-22 07:37:20 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'm on the fence about this. On the one hand, you've got the possibility of gathering more evidence. On the other, you've got the possibility of helping save the life of another person. This is really serious, and I'm glad smart people are trying to make the right decision, even if it means that a killer has the opportunity to kill again.

Maybe the killer will kill the kid that got the organs. That would be ironic. But yeah, this is very serious. Not something we should joke about.


No, ironic would be a kid who lost organs from a beating who then got replacement organs from a kid who died from a beating.

/challenge accepted
 
2014-04-22 07:41:45 AM  

Lith: log_jammin: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.

Maybe, but preservation of life now trumps what may or may not happen in the future.


Could in one hand, shiat in the other, see which fills up first.

Also, if the body's available for organ harvesting, it's probably not a serial killer's handiwork.
 
2014-04-22 07:51:46 AM  

log_jammin: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.


It only took 8 posts until we got a poster with enough brain power to understand this.
 
2014-04-22 07:52:05 AM  

HotWingAgenda: These motherf*cking vultures are suing the local government because they didn't get to scavenge pieces off the corpse of a murdered child? F*ck them.


I'm of this opinion.
 
2014-04-22 07:56:44 AM  

doglover: Also, if the body's available for organ harvesting, it's probably not a serial killer's handiwork.


Well that would depend entirely on the serial killer.  I think the New York Strangler probably left plenty of usable organs whereas Dohmer left nothing but soup bones.
 
2014-04-22 08:05:31 AM  

HotWingAgenda: These motherf*cking vultures are suing the local government because they didn't get to scavenge pieces off the corpse of a murdered child? F*ck them.


This
 
2014-04-22 08:07:01 AM  

log_jammin: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.


A medical exam MIGHT provide the evidence which would convict a killer that MIGHT otherwise walk free and MIGHT kill someone else.

Transplants WILL save the lives of several children. The lungs could give another 6-10 years of normal life to a child with cystic fibrosis. The kidneys could save the lives of two children with advanced kidney failure. The retinas could help two different children see again, etc.
 
2014-04-22 08:07:59 AM  

HotWingAgenda: These motherf*cking vultures are suing the local government because they didn't get to scavenge pieces off the corpse of a murdered child? F*ck them.


Yes, because that local government probably killed two or three children by denying then the organs.
 
2014-04-22 08:10:14 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: log_jammin: feckingmorons: Evidence collection won't save another life, organ transplant can.

preventing a killer from going free could prevent him from killing again.

It took 8 posts until we got a poster with only enough brain power to understand this.



FTFY
 
2014-04-22 08:10:15 AM  
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