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(Opposing Views)   78-year-old man's wife gets sick, so he calls 911. Does this story end with a.) everyone living happily ever after, b.) sunshine and rainbows or c.) the man looking like he went 12 rounds with Floyd Mayweather?   (opposingviews.com ) divider line
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2014-04-21 06:42:18 PM  
Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.
 
2014-04-21 06:50:00 PM  

gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.


Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.
 
2014-04-21 07:29:38 PM  
Or one round if you're Mayweather's girlfriend.
 
2014-04-21 07:57:17 PM  
In a just society the officers responsible would be hanging from lampposts.
 
2014-04-21 07:57:53 PM  
They should have called the SWAT team in to subdue this raging criminal.

(At least that's what I learned in  an earlier thread)
 
2014-04-21 08:22:52 PM  

nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.


And suing them back to the stone age.
 
2014-04-21 08:47:10 PM  

fusillade762: nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.

And suing them back to the stone age.


Oh, I'm sorry I wasn't clear.  When I said firings, I meant out of a cannon.

/again, unless there's more to this that we don't know
 
2014-04-21 08:52:42 PM  

fusillade762: nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.

And suing them back to the stone age.


No. We can't sue police.

I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying WE CAN'T. They're shielded. So the township pays when you sue, and they just keep on truckin'.
 
2014-04-21 09:18:38 PM  

doglover: fusillade762: nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.

And suing them back to the stone age.

No. We can't sue police.

I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying WE CAN'T. They're shielded. So the township pays when you sue, and they just keep on truckin'.


Then sue the township for a nominal punitive monetary damage of one dollar....

....and the dissolution of the police department....

....and for the complete and utter liquidation of all assets, materiel and objects the department owns (EVERYTHING -- not just money, guns and cars, but also office supplies, buildings and anything else that could possibly be sold for at least one cent each), with all proceeds from the liquidation going to the plaintiffs....

....and for the permanent revocation of all officers' Law Enforcement certifications (i.e. they're all fired and permanently barred from ever being cops in that state again), along with a 5-year suspension of their firearm privileges (they'll still be able to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, but not with gunpowder-based weapons) and a 2-year suspension of their driver's licenses.


/and a unicorn that farts rainbows, since they'd be as likely to get that as they would anything else I listed
 
2014-04-21 09:18:52 PM  
From TFA: According to police, Breshears faces charges of assault on a police officer, resisting arrest, and abuse of the elderly, all three of which he adamantly denies.

He shouldn't be talking to the press, he should be lawyering up. However, the town's lawyer will probably advise to stall and stall and hope he dies, just to avoid a legal decision against the municipality.
 
2014-04-21 09:19:09 PM  
If that is the way it went down there better be jailtime for the officers.

/yah, I know there won't be
 
2014-04-21 09:19:48 PM  

Johnny Texas: There's more to this story than what we're getting from the old man.   Lets put all this kind of crap to bed and make it a federal law that all officers wear cameras.


That. Right there.

/this kind of insanity is being reported far too often
//"Our word against theirs" is no longer sufficient
 
2014-04-21 09:24:23 PM  
Unicorns don't fart rainbows. Now with all that hay in their diet.
 
2014-04-21 09:42:11 PM  
He needs healthcare.
 
2014-04-21 10:26:40 PM  

Johnny Texas: There's more to this story than what we're getting from the old man.  Lets put all this kind of crap to bed and make it a federal law that all officers wear cameras.


Any such legislation would include exceptions for certain classes of law enforcement agents. Police departments would then redefine all police officers as members of one of the exempted classes.
 
2014-04-21 10:32:02 PM  
Is it SOP for police to show up on a call for an ambulance?
 
2014-04-21 10:40:41 PM  

Frederick: Is it SOP for police to show up on a call for an ambulance?


Probably depends on how the call was perceived by the 911 operator. If, for instance, the operator mistook his panic for a fight, unknown situation, domestic or something like that then yes they may have sent PD. I've seen it happen several times.
 
2014-04-21 11:00:14 PM  

Frederick: Is it SOP for police to show up on a call for an ambulance?


I've never seen an ambulance at a house that wasn't accompanied by at least one cruiser.
 
2014-04-21 11:02:55 PM  

nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings

awards for the arresting officers.  More likely outcome.
 
2014-04-21 11:13:15 PM  
Assault on a police officer, bruised knuckles I'm sure.
 
2014-04-21 11:14:25 PM  
I'm sure this is EXACTLY what happened.
Opposing Views is 100% reliable.
I swear the anti-cop crap on Fark is stupider than anything on FOX News.
 
2014-04-21 11:15:36 PM  

nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.


Firings? I hope the cops end up in prison themselves and are given the most slippery soap possible to take into the showers.
 
2014-04-21 11:16:10 PM  
So the old dude looked like he wasn't hurt but just utterly beaten?
 
2014-04-21 11:16:37 PM  

jaylectricity: Frederick: Is it SOP for police to show up on a call for an ambulance?

I've never seen an ambulance at a house that wasn't accompanied by at least one cruiser.


shiat, in my neighborhood the fire department shows up rather than an ambulance, usually. I can't imagine an entire 911 trifecta for someone having a heart attack or something. That's overkill.
/especially because the cops would probably shoot the guy
 
2014-04-21 11:17:44 PM  

PreMortem: Assault on a police officer, bruised knuckles I'm sure.


There was a case 6-8 months ago where a guy was charged with assaulting a police officer because the cop broke his hand pummeling the guy.
 
2014-04-21 11:17:45 PM  

Begoggle: I'm sure this is EXACTLY what happened.
Opposing Views is 100% reliable.
I swear the anti-cop crap on Fark is stupider than anything on FOX News.


So you think police should beat the crap out of unarmed old people?

You realize a broken bone is basically a death sentence for many old people.
 
2014-04-21 11:18:10 PM  

Fark It: In a just society the officers responsible would be hanging from lampposts.


In the real world, this didn't happen the way it says in the article.
IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
I don't know what did happen, but I know this "article" is 100% bullshiat.
But sorry, carry on with your confirmation bias and your fantasy "just society".
 
2014-04-21 11:19:14 PM  

zeroman987: Begoggle: I'm sure this is EXACTLY what happened.
Opposing Views is 100% reliable.
I swear the anti-cop crap on Fark is stupider than anything on FOX News.

So you think police should beat the crap out of unarmed old people?

You realize a broken bone is basically a death sentence for many old people.


Yes, police should beat the crap out of old people randomly, that is definitely what I am saying.
Sorry I didn't make it clear.
 
2014-04-21 11:19:58 PM  
I swear the anti-cop crap on Fark is stupider than anything on FOX News.


The anti cop attitude posted on fark or anywhere else is more than warranted.
 
2014-04-21 11:20:04 PM  
There's no picture of the police officers involved but I'm going to bet there's not a single scratch on either one.
 
2014-04-21 11:21:52 PM  

King Something: doglover: fusillade762: nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.

And suing them back to the stone age.

No. We can't sue police.

I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying WE CAN'T. They're shielded. So the township pays when you sue, and they just keep on truckin'.

Then sue the township for a nominal punitive monetary damage of one dollar....

....and the dissolution of the police department....

....and for the complete and utter liquidation of all assets, materiel and objects the department owns (EVERYTHING -- not just money, guns and cars, but also office supplies, buildings and anything else that could possibly be sold for at least one cent each), with all proceeds from the liquidation going to the plaintiffs....

....and for the permanent revocation of all officers' Law Enforcement certifications (i.e. they're all fired and permanently barred from ever being cops in that state again), along with a 5-year suspension of their firearm privileges (they'll still be able to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, but not with gunpowder-based weapons) and a 2-year suspension of their driver's licenses.


/and a unicorn that farts rainbows, since they'd be as likely to get that as they would anything else I listed


Eighth Amendments, how do they farking work?

/Though I like the way you think.
 
2014-04-21 11:22:28 PM  

Frederick: Is it SOP for police to show up on a call for an ambulance?


Every time I've called 911 for a medical emergency a cop has shown up as a first responder (there's usually a cop closer than an ambulance and they all know basic Weeners first aid)
 
2014-04-21 11:24:15 PM  

Silentbob768768: Frederick: Is it SOP for police to show up on a call for an ambulance?

Every time I've called 911 for a medical emergency a cop has shown up as a first responder (there's usually a cop closer than an ambulance and they all know basic Weeners first aid)


...wow holy filter pwnd haha shouldve seen that coming...first followed by response
 
2014-04-21 11:24:51 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: They should have called the SWAT team in to subdue this raging criminal.

(At least that's what I learned in  an earlier thread)


I think this is only the third or forth thread about this so there will be more. Read up on all of your lawyer stuff.
 
2014-04-21 11:25:00 PM  
and she was wavering hollering help

Well there's yer problem.

/not that that justifies a cop attack
//it's just not surprising
 
2014-04-21 11:25:37 PM  

doglover: fusillade762: nekom: gaslight: Holy sh*t. I mean, we need to wait for the other side to tell their story but prima fascie, is force ever needed by two healthy, young fit constables when a 78 year old is involved? Christ, just making a sudden move around him might make him faint.

Yeah, there often is another side to the story but if this indeed went down as presented, that better lead to firings.

And suing them back to the stone age.

No. We can't sue police.

I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying WE CAN'T. They're shielded. So the township pays when you sue, and they just keep on truckin'.



I don't believe that's true.  I think that you can personally sue a Police Officer for things they do while on the job.  You're going to have an uphill battle and probably get harassed non-stop but you can do it.  A lot of them even carry personal insurance on themselves just for such contingencies.
 
JVD
2014-04-21 11:27:00 PM  
Good people need to bring back vigilantism.
 
2014-04-21 11:27:48 PM  
Whenever I find a story that is covered almost exclusively by blogs only, my BS meter twitches a bit.

Then when I read "Breshears says he first started having problems with police at the beginning of the year" my BS meter starts moving inexorably upward.

Something tells me he isn't just a frail old 78 year old man who got beat down by the big bad cops.

/lots of old men aren't exactly frail at 78
//my dad could kick most of your asses and he's 81 ;-)
 
2014-04-21 11:28:08 PM  

doglover: I'm not saying we shouldn't, I'm saying WE CAN'T. They're shielded


FWIW, Only when it is found that they are acting within the scope of their authority and within policy will the city/state/federal government step in and take the hit in court for their LEOs.
 
2014-04-21 11:30:02 PM  

doglover: We can't sue police.


These NYPD officers, with over 200 lawsuits total against them, will be relieved to hear that.

It's just silly to claim that it's not possible to sue a police officer.  Americans most certainly can, and do, sue police officers all the damn time.
 
2014-04-21 11:31:27 PM  

Begoggle: I'm sure this is EXACTLY what happened.
Opposing Views is 100% reliable.
I swear the anti-cop crap on Fark is stupider than anything on FOX News.


I think the only folks who support this kind of violence are the "Government is Good" derps.

This stuff happens too much. Unless that elderly man pulled a gun, those cops committed assault/battery, grevious bodily harm, and elder abuse
 
2014-04-21 11:33:28 PM  

Begoggle: Fark It: In a just society the officers responsible would be hanging from lampposts.

In the real world, this didn't happen the way it says in the article.
IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
I don't know what did happen, but I know this "article" is 100% bullshiat.
But sorry, carry on with your confirmation bias and your fantasy "just society".


Fark. Where people know what they don't know, 24/7
 
2014-04-21 11:34:03 PM  
The cops must have just finished their mandatory annual VAWA training.
 
2014-04-21 11:34:35 PM  

Begoggle: Fark It: In a just society the officers responsible would be hanging from lampposts.

In the real world, this didn't happen the way it says in the article.
IT DID NOT HAPPEN.


Because we all know law enforcement in this country isn't capable of what's alleged in the article.  All cops are heroes.

I don't know what did happen, but I know this "article" is 100% bullshiat.

Well which is it?  You don't know or you know?

But sorry, carry on with your confirmation bias and your fantasy "just society".

vizfact.com

You missed a spot.
 
2014-04-21 11:34:50 PM  
Also, can we stop linking opposing views? It is bad enough they have a one-sided presentation of the facts, but they rarely even have a handle on their own side. This article is ridiculous.

Rootus: /lots of old men aren't exactly frail at 78


Not only are they not all frail, but plenty of them are ornery assholes. Some of the most obnoxious people I ever ran across in my life were the elderly.  The sweet ones are great, the jerks behave worse than teenagers.

The ones that are frail, meanwhile, could look bruised up like that with very little effort too. Something to keep in mind.
 
2014-04-21 11:36:13 PM  
Who: Elbert Breshears, et al.
What: Assault, dementia, etc..
Where: ummmm...
When: Recently? Last year?
Why? Not enough information, so I'll let that slide.

This is why it's always a good idea to go to the source, which has a link in the headlined article.
 
2014-04-21 11:37:01 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Johnny Texas: There's more to this story than what we're getting from the old man.   Lets put all this kind of crap to bed and make it a federal law that all officers wear cameras.

That. Right there.

/this kind of insanity is being reported far too often
//"Our word against theirs" is no longer sufficient


Want to bet there would be "technical problems" with the video seemingly every time something like this happened?
 
2014-04-21 11:37:27 PM  
So cops get scared and have to beat up a 78 year old man.  They also hae to shoot small dogs and taze children.  Are there any cops left who aren't pussies?
 
2014-04-21 11:38:37 PM  

Fark It: In a just society the officers responsible would be hanging from lampposts.


not for a first offense.
 
2014-04-21 11:38:55 PM  

Fark It: Well which is it?  You don't know or you know?


It isn't conflicting to say "I don't know what happened" and "I can confidantly claim the one-sided half-assed piss-poor article on opposing views it complete garbage".


Opposing Views article: A man opened his mailbox and a dragon came out and burned him!

Any sane person, "I don't what burned him, but I know it wasn't a dragon from his mailbox."
 
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