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2014-04-21 07:05:36 PM  
No Washington DC area? We're kinda a big deal here, WE'RE YOUR NATIONS CAPITAL.
Oh, and all the people you bribe to get your way live here. It would be in your best interest to make us happy.
 
2014-04-21 07:17:16 PM  
I'm surfing this on my 28.8 so I'm getting a kic*** NO CARRIER ***
 
2014-04-21 07:57:00 PM  
Still better than Comcast, and I HATE AT&T
 
2014-04-21 08:00:32 PM  
How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.
 
2014-04-21 08:02:32 PM  

StopLurkListen: How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.


Only your sanity
 
Boe
2014-04-21 08:02:47 PM  

Walker: No Washington DC area? We're kinda a big deal here, WE'RE YOUR NATIONS CAPITAL.
Oh, and all the people you bribe to get your way live here. It would be in your best interest to make us happy.


THIS
 
2014-04-21 08:03:22 PM  

StopLurkListen: How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.


I'm paying $40 for 400Mbps.

/no reason for my comment except to run it in
 
2014-04-21 08:05:21 PM  

Walker: No Washington DC area? We're kinda a big deal here, WE'RE YOUR NATIONS CAPITAL.
Oh, and all the people you bribe to get your way live here. It would be in your best interest to make us happy.


AT&T doesn't own the license there.
 
2014-04-21 08:18:08 PM  

StopLurkListen: How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.


If it's like what they're charging in Austin, $70 if you opt-in to "AT&T Internet Preferences" (deep packet inspection so they send you ads) or $99 if you don't opt-in to "Internet Preferences".
 
2014-04-21 08:25:20 PM  

King_Nothing: Walker: No Washington DC area? We're kinda a big deal here, WE'RE YOUR NATIONS CAPITAL.
Oh, and all the people you bribe to get your way live here. It would be in your best interest to make us happy.

AT&T doesn't own the license there.


Baby Bell monopolies live on. Following the breakup of the original AT&T, Washington DC was in the territory of Bell Atlantic which is now Verizon.
 
2014-04-21 08:30:33 PM  
How long until they start calling it 10Gig? AT&T wireless service at my parents house went from 5Mbs 3G to 5Mbs "4g" to 5Mbs "LTE". It is sickening that they can do that. 4G and LTE used to have meanings. Now I have no idea what to expect from my service when LTE runs from 3-45Mbs that I've observed so far.
 
2014-04-21 08:33:18 PM  

dustman81: StopLurkListen: How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.

If it's like what they're charging in Austin, $70 if you opt-in to "AT&T Internet Preferences" (deep packet inspection so they send you ads) or $99 if you don't opt-in to "Internet Preferences".


What kind of speeds do you average? I have Century Link and average .5 to 1.5 Mbps. They've come out 3 times to "fix" it to 3 Mbps (paying for up to 10) but it always goes back to crap. Don't want the data caps but tired of it taking 3 hours to download a podcast.
 
2014-04-21 08:53:42 PM  
I feel nuts for saying this, but I trust AT&T more than I trust Google.
 
2014-04-21 09:03:19 PM  
Good luck in Raleigh-Durham. Didn't whatever service provider is there basically pay the local government not to allow other providers in? Or something like that?
 
2014-04-21 09:05:25 PM  
More competition is better.  That is all.
 
2014-04-21 09:25:49 PM  
The Portland city council just approved Google Fiber here. though there's no guarantee that Google will take them up on it. Blazing fast speeds for a one-time-only hookup fee? Yes, please.
 
2014-04-21 09:42:08 PM  

buckler: The Portland city council just approved Google Fiber here. though there's no guarantee that Google will take them up on it. Blazing fast speeds for a one-time-only hookup fee? Yes, please.


It's 5Mb for free for 7 years with the $300 hookup fee. It's 1Gb for $70 with the hookup fee waived.
 
2014-04-21 10:13:44 PM  
Google Fiber is supposedly here.  Any Austin peeps heard anything?
 
2014-04-21 10:37:40 PM  
Poop thread?
 
2014-04-21 10:46:44 PM  

alwaysjaded: dustman81: StopLurkListen: How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.

If it's like what they're charging in Austin, $70 if you opt-in to "AT&T Internet Preferences" (deep packet inspection so they send you ads) or $99 if you don't opt-in to "Internet Preferences".

What kind of speeds do you average? I have Century Link and average .5 to 1.5 Mbps. They've come out 3 times to "fix" it to 3 Mbps (paying for up to 10) but it always goes back to crap. Don't want the data caps but tired of it taking 3 hours to download a podcast.


I dunno about average, but I just checked via speedtest and got 3.3, 3.1, and 3.8 mbps download speeds. (I doublechecked, I am subscribed to 3mbps service. Shhh. Don't tell ATT.)

It may not be of any help, but here's my experience with a similarly frustrating problem -- for the first couple of years in this house we had lots of interference in our telecom and our internet connections kept dropping. It was even audible on the wired phone. We replaced every phone cable and jack in the house; ATT replaced the phone box in the house and then replaced the cable from the telephone pole to the box. Then they replaced some modem card (?) at some junction (?) and finally the problem went away.
 
2014-04-21 11:35:02 PM  

AngryDragon: Still better than Comcast, and I HATE AT&T


I feel ya bro same here
 
2014-04-22 12:34:29 AM  
I won't ever deal with AT&T. They willingly spied on Americans.
 
2014-04-22 01:08:51 AM  

neuroflare: Good luck in Raleigh-Durham. Didn't whatever service provider is there basically pay the local government not to allow other providers in? Or something like that?


I believe that was to prevent municipal internet, which apparently works very well and cheaply where it's allowed.  Which is why they lobbied it away from the people.
 
2014-04-22 02:26:16 AM  

neuroflare: Good luck in Raleigh-Durham. Didn't whatever service provider is there basically pay the local government not to allow other providers in? Or something like that?


I had uVerse in 2010 in North Raleigh.

Time Warner can blow it out its ass. Never had any issues with uverse other than the fact it wasnt fiber to the house. Still miiiiles better than RoadRunner, and cheaper.
 
2014-04-22 03:54:56 AM  
Paying around $50 monthly. Fiber laid by Utopia, hosted by XMission:
i.imgur.com

Cellular service is through ATT. Talk is in the works for 5G, and we are still 3G here.... in a rather large metro area. Fark ATT.
 
2014-04-22 05:29:54 AM  

StopLurkListen: alwaysjaded: dustman81: StopLurkListen: How much would this cost? I'm paying $40 for 3mbps.

If it's like what they're charging in Austin, $70 if you opt-in to "AT&T Internet Preferences" (deep packet inspection so they send you ads) or $99 if you don't opt-in to "Internet Preferences".

What kind of speeds do you average? I have Century Link and average .5 to 1.5 Mbps. They've come out 3 times to "fix" it to 3 Mbps (paying for up to 10) but it always goes back to crap. Don't want the data caps but tired of it taking 3 hours to download a podcast.

I dunno about average, but I just checked via speedtest and got 3.3, 3.1, and 3.8 mbps download speeds. (I doublechecked, I am subscribed to 3mbps service. Shhh. Don't tell ATT.)

It may not be of any help, but here's my experience with a similarly frustrating problem -- for the first couple of years in this house we had lots of interference in our telecom and our internet connections kept dropping. It was even audible on the wired phone. We replaced every phone cable and jack in the house; ATT replaced the phone box in the house and then replaced the cable from the telephone pole to the box. Then they replaced some modem card (?) at some junction (?) and finally the problem went away.


Thanks. They said they changed a card one time at the servers last time they were out here but it started again a few days later. I'll give all the wires a change since I haven't tried that yet.
 
2014-04-22 06:24:08 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I won't ever deal with AT&T. They willingly spied on Americans.


Like other ISPs didn't?
 
2014-04-22 07:29:29 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: Google Fiber is supposedly here.  Any Austin peeps heard anything?





Not in Austin, but Google is supposed to be getting Austin lit up, along with Salt Lake City and Kansas City, KS/MO. That is what has AT&T nervous and pushing 1Gb fiber to this list of cities, starting with Austin.
 
2014-04-22 07:47:02 AM  

dustman81: White_Scarf_Syndrome: Google Fiber is supposedly here.  Any Austin peeps heard anything?

Not in Austin, but Google is supposed to be getting Austin lit up, along with Salt Lake City and Kansas City, KS/MO. That is what has AT&T nervous and pushing 1Gb fiber to this list of cities, starting with Austin.


I work for AT&T so the scoop is that the rollout will support 1 gig, but will initially be 300 mbs first.
 
2014-04-22 08:06:18 AM  

lewismarktwo: neuroflare: Good luck in Raleigh-Durham. Didn't whatever service provider is there basically pay the local government not to allow other providers in? Or something like that?

I believe that was to prevent municipal internet, which apparently works very well and cheaply where it's allowed.  Which is why they lobbied it away from the people.


Hello from Wilson!

www.speedtest.net

/this is $35/month
 
2014-04-22 08:06:33 AM  
I pay $45/month for 30 megabit service and when the source I am connecting to can serve it up reliably, my ISP(Roadrunner/TWC)delivers it 24/7/365 at a constant 4 megabytes per second. Had them for years, great customer service, reasonable billing department when I want to renegotiate against a competitors offer so they keep me on.

People don't know what causes poor service and don't know who to blame. ISP is always the easy target, but it could be a hundred different pieces of the infrastructure or a billion different websites.

I know that when I connect to a server which propagates information between a network of cloned sources that I pay for access to, I get shown what kind of speed the rest of the net could be provided to me at when my ISP, without hiccups or complaints, delivers it as I described above.
 
2014-04-22 08:15:56 AM  

neuroflare: Good luck in Raleigh-Durham. Didn't whatever service provider is there basically pay the local government not to allow other providers in? Or something like that?


"Raleigh-Durham" isn't monolithic when it comes to local providers. Raleigh was mostly AT&T, Durham mostly Verizon, but Verizon sold off its land-line business to Frontier some time ago. When we got DSL, AT&T had much better options, but the only thing available to us was Verizon (and locals reselling Verizon copper). I'm thinking there was a third player involved, maybe around Chapel Hill, but I don't remember any more.

Google Fiber has been making noise about our area as well, and so has an unknown that's planning to use dark fiber and high-bandwidth wireless to offer "gigabit" (probably just the buzzword, not the actual bits/sec) service around the area. I imagine AT&T is feeling the heat, and I hope TWC is as well.
 
2014-04-22 08:49:50 AM  

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: I won't ever deal with AT&T. They willingly spied on Americans.


I get it, but try to save some hate for the politicians involved and the Republican and Democratic parties that support them, and the asshats that support the parties with total loyally.  AT&T, as big as they are, aren't much different than you.  When the government tells you to quarter these soldiers, you'll be quartering some soldiers.
 
2014-04-22 10:32:16 AM  

fjnorton: AngryDragon: Still better than Comcast, and I HATE AT&T

I feel ya bro same here


Called up AT&T yesterday to see if they could match the Comcast offer of 25 Mbps down for $40 a month (+ modem fee and taxes). Sure enough, the second I mentioned that I could get twice the speed for less money from Comcast, AT&T matched the offer and I didn't have to go through the hassle of switching service. Squeaky wheel gets the grease and what not. (Still paying too much and I hate having to jump through their hoops on a regular basis). It sucks when the only game in town is a choice between AT&T and Comcast (and DirectTV, but c'mon).
 
2014-04-22 11:08:37 AM  
I like Karl Bode's term for this: fiber to the press release.

NCCSB: Where I work, AT&T provided us with a DSL connection to use as a backup to our main connection (a local business-oriented WISP). It was 6M down/768K up (not horrible, but you can get much faster service here from Comcast if you want to deal with them). Then they decided "we're going to kill off DSL and replace it with U-Verse." Well, they came and installed a new router, and lo and behold, it's... DSL by another name! Not only that, but our speeds dropped by half, and they wouldn't put it on the same bill as the phone service (three POTS lines). Instead, they billed it in an employee's name, leading to all sorts of billing snafus. We finally got disgusted with the whole charade and pulled the plug on so-called "U-Verse."

Unfortunately, our options are Comcast, AT&T, or the WISP, and the wireless connection has its own disadvantages; more than once a severe storm has knocked our antenna out, or the one on their tower. On the plus side, it's a dumb pipe without all sorts of doodads we'd never use (hello there, Comcast, why don't you offer such a thing?), and even though we're only getting their 3 Mb service, it's 3 Mb in both directions.

I'd actually be OK with Comcast if they would just offer plain old business-grade Internet service; we run our own email, DNS, and web servers on a VPS and have no need for Comcast-provided servers, nor do we need or want cable TV.
 
2014-04-22 12:06:48 PM  
If this is how AT&T and Comcast treat their customers, I'm glad I bought a DVD player (you can
get a decent basic model for under $50) and have access to a store selling used DVDs (as little
as $1 apiece, and I can trade in at any time).....when AT&T and Comcast jump off a cliff into the
corporate ocean like lemmings, I'll stand there laughing.
 
2014-04-22 12:11:15 PM  

AngryDragon: Still better than Comcast, and I HATE AT&T


I don't get the ATT hate, I have never had a bad experience with them, T-Mo on the other hand.......sucks monkey balls.
 
2014-04-22 12:49:36 PM  
If they are well priced, bring it! I am half way between San Francisco and San Jose. Currently pay 55 bucks for 25mbps.
 
2014-04-22 02:23:41 PM  

powhound: Paying around $50 monthly. Fiber laid by Utopia, hosted by XMission:
[i.imgur.com image 336x51]

Cellular service is through ATT. Talk is in the works for 5G, and we are still 3G here.... in a rather large metro area. Fark ATT.


Getting the opportunity to post this never gets old. $70/mo or $120/mo with TV... oh and a free tablet and 2TB DVR/storage box.
www.speedtest.net
 
2014-04-22 03:33:03 PM  

Baumli: powhound: Paying around $50 monthly. Fiber laid by Utopia, hosted by XMission:
[i.imgur.com image 336x51]

Cellular service is through ATT. Talk is in the works for 5G, and we are still 3G here.... in a rather large metro area. Fark ATT.

Getting the opportunity to post this never gets old. $70/mo or $120/mo with TV... oh and a free tablet and 2TB DVR/storage box.
[www.speedtest.net image 300x135]


WTF!?!?

Do you get constant sustained service at that speed? Do they care how much you use it? Are there caps or throttling of any kind? Do they have restrictions against running a server at home? etc. etc. etc.
 
2014-04-22 05:58:44 PM  
The only time I haven't gotten the whole gigabit was on a computer with sub-par performance (my 3 year old laptop always capped at ~450Mbps on ethernet) or on Wifi (max ~300Mbps), few get more than 160Mbps on the Wifi though. There are no limitations to data use, no throttling on Google's end, and there are no rules against having a server for personal use.However, they do not allow servers for public/commercial use, but our installation team laughed at the prospect of them interfering with it and said they ran their own servers. I think, as long as you aren't basically running a business, you're in the clear. The way it has been explained to me, Google Fiber (in it's current stage) is intended for residential use only, businesses are being hooked up after the residential areas are done.

How can they make this service feasible? Well, for one thing, it's Google. Second, they're getting enormous tax breaks/incentives from the local government and pretty much free reign on laying their lines. The other thing, Kansas City is one of the few metropolitan areas that still relies heavily on above-ground utility poles, meaning the cost of laying fiber is significantly reduced, and easier. This service is currently only available in Kansas City areas (except Overland Park), Austin TX, and Provo UT. Very few places in Austin and Provo have gotten it, Kansas City is done, now they're working on the KC suburbs.

On an added note, since Google walked into Kansas City, we've had a myriad of ISPs mail us stuff about getting a 100Mb connection for $70/mo, 20Mb connections for less than $30/mo, and 5Mb connections for free. Google is breaking the oligopoly and it's fantastic.
 
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