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(Denver Post)   "It's like Guantanamo, with loud, thumping music and sleep deprivation," says, C: a resident near Red Rocks Amphitheatre   (denverpost.com) divider line 59
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2014-04-21 04:54:56 PM
I bet they think bumper-to-bumper traffic is just like The Holocaust, too.
 
2014-04-21 05:02:00 PM
So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.
 
2014-04-21 05:06:07 PM
Nice advert for whatever global dub festival is.

Does look like somewhere that'd be good to see a show, though, even though I feel bad for the residents.
 
2014-04-21 05:09:18 PM
I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

Red Rocks is awesome, love that place.
 
2014-04-21 05:10:01 PM
This is Colorado, right? Can't they just toke up and mellow out?
 
2014-04-21 05:19:11 PM
If you read the article, the complaints aren't about all shows. They are about the dance shows with sh*t like Skrillex. And I can't really disagree with that.
 
2014-04-21 05:25:25 PM

Blues_X: If you read the article, the complaints aren't about all shows. They are about the dance shows with sh*t like Skrillex. And I can't really disagree with that.


I'm betting the residents don't complain about getting to hear shows they enjoy for free. "Ohh, I can hear Blues Traveler from y back deck. Cool. EDM show? Oh noes!"
 
2014-04-21 05:25:53 PM

Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

Red Rocks is awesome, love that place.


I have nothing to add except for my complete agreement.
 
2014-04-21 05:37:54 PM
Morrison  population 430 people and 31 police officers and less than 20 crimes a year. Morrison makes over $1,000,000 a year from speeding tickets and has their own tank and SWAT team that has never been used and until they stop the speed trap that is Morrison I hope Red Rocks does nothing but turn up the volume. Reason and sense play no part in any of the town's other  actions and they are just mad because Red Rocks belongs to Denver and they cannot steal money from people once they are inside the amphitheater. Red Rocks is a place to see and experience   music and has been there long before any of the whiners moved in.
 
2014-04-21 06:33:58 PM

Bob Falfa: Blues_X: If you read the article, the complaints aren't about all shows. They are about the dance shows with sh*t like Skrillex. And I can't really disagree with that.

I'm betting the residents don't complain about getting to hear shows they enjoy for free. "Ohh, I can hear Blues Traveler from y back deck. Cool. EDM show? Oh noes!"


The type of sound has a lot to do with how far it will travel. As it turns out, bass tones travel a lot further before being absorbed by the air and surrounding environment than other tones do. It just so happens that EDM relies on bass-heavy mixes. In other words, even at the same absolute volume, homeowners are going to hear more of the EDM show than they are the Blues Traveler show. No artistic judgments, just plain ol' acoustic science.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-21 06:38:50 PM
Shut up and move.
 
2014-04-21 06:43:06 PM
EVERYTHING I DON"T LIKE IS JUST LIKE THE HOLOCAUST

/not really
 
2014-04-21 06:46:05 PM

Uzzah: The type of sound has a lot to do with how far it will travel. As it turns out, bass tones travel a lot further before being absorbed by the air and surrounding environment than other tones do. It just so happens that EDM relies on bass-heavy mixes. In other words, even at the same absolute volume, homeowners are going to hear more of the EDM show than they are the Blues Traveler show. No artistic judgments, just plain ol' acoustic science.


Some folks are constitutionally incapable of sleeping while hearing a very loud bass.  There is no way to block it (ear plugs do almost nothing).  Sleep deprived people get stabby.
 
2014-04-21 06:56:18 PM

Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.


I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.
 
2014-04-21 07:11:46 PM
Wadded Beef [TotalFark]


I bet they think bumper-to-bumper traffic is just like The Holocaust, too.

Godwined in one. That's some TF level of stupid.
 
2014-04-21 07:15:34 PM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.


Well they knew there was a rock venue just up 'round the bend. So they can't complain about the rock and roll and that's not what they are complaining about. As someone else has already said, this kind of music travels differently than rock or pop. I don't think earthquake-like bass was a reasonable expectation when purchasing a home 20-30 years ago.

/yes their comments are over the top, but as I've said, stabby
 
2014-04-21 07:16:05 PM
Wait, Skrillex is Judah Friedlander?
 
2014-04-21 07:17:55 PM

Barfmaker: people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it


And they really should have visited the neighborhood sans realtor before doing all that. Then the amphitheater wouldn't be such a shock to them.
 
2014-04-21 07:29:14 PM

dr_blasto: EVERYTHING I DON"T LIKE IS JUST LIKE THE HOLOCAUST

/not really


I usually go with Darfur.
 
2014-04-21 07:33:40 PM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.


I used to work at an airport that was near a lot of very, very high price houses (think 5-10 million). Every couple of years, some idiot would complain and threaten a lawsuit. Even though the airport had been there for 60+ years, they figured if they complained, they'd see some real action. You know, because they are so much more important than the people who lived there before them.
It never worked.
 
2014-04-21 07:52:46 PM
Bob Falfa: they figured if they complained, they'd see some real action. You know, because they are so much more important

I know that guy.
 
2014-04-21 07:55:48 PM

Bob Falfa: Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.

I used to work at an airport that was near a lot of very, very high price houses (think 5-10 million). Every couple of years, some idiot would complain and threaten a lawsuit. Even though the airport had been there for 60+ years, they figured if they complained, they'd see some real action. You know, because they are so much more important than the people who lived there before them.
It never worked.


I live near Peachtree-DeKalb Airport.  The airport has been there for a very long time.  When my neighbor bought his house he didn't happen to notice that private jets buzz this place about 50 times a day.  He's incensed.  I don't even notice them.  You can also hear I-285 and a freight train rumbles past 15+ times a day.  I don't really notice that either.
 
2014-04-21 08:00:24 PM

Rapmaster2000: Bob Falfa: Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.

I used to work at an airport that was near a lot of very, very high price houses (think 5-10 million). Every couple of years, some idiot would complain and threaten a lawsuit. Even though the airport had been there for 60+ years, they figured if they complained, they'd see some real action. You know, because they are so much more important than the people who lived there before them.
It never worked.

I live near Peachtree-DeKalb Airport.  The airport has been there for a very long time.  When my neighbor bought his house he didn't happen to notice that private jets buzz this place about 50 times a day.  He's incensed.  I don't even notice them.  You can also hear I-285 and a freight train rumbles past 15+ times a day.  I don't really notice that either.


Neither will your neighbor once he's lived there a while.
 
2014-04-21 08:11:51 PM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.


Its a world famous amphitheater so its not like they didn't know about it before so fark em they knew what they were buying into.

It reminds me of the neighborhoods around chastain here in Atlanta, the place has been there for a damn long time seems kind of stupid to buy a multimillion dollar house and then act like you didn't know it was there. Or people that buy homes for cheap near an small airport, you can't hide it and its on every map so fark you if you have a problem with it now.


/add me to the list of the red rocks is awesome list
 
2014-04-21 08:18:55 PM

Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.


Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..
 
2014-04-21 08:28:07 PM

hasty ambush: Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.

Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..


Red Rocks wasn't "built" per se.  It's a naturally occuring stone formation that just happens to have exceptional accoustic properties so people eventually built permanent seating in front of it.  But they've had performances out there for over 100 years.  Granted I'm sure they didn't have amplifiers and bass 100 years ago, but still.

Interesting tidbit from wikipedia:

Renowned opera singer Mary Garden put Red Rocks on the world musical map with her performance on May 10, 1911. Having performed at many opera halls around the world, she pronounced Red Rocks the finest venue at which she had ever performed.

There is a yearly award for "finest outdoor concert venue" and red rocks would win it every single year, so eventually they called it the Red Rocks award and exempted Red Rocks from the competition.
 
2014-04-21 08:33:22 PM

hasty ambush: Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.

Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..


1906 was the first performance, the current design was started by Denver in the 30s and now the city or Morrison has sprung up around it so the amphitheater was there decades before the housing community near it.

Like I said before, fark them, they knew what they were buying. Hell U2 filmed a few videos there in the early 80s and even back then there weren't houses very close to the venue.
 
2014-04-21 08:33:26 PM

hasty ambush: Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.

Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..


They have been playing rock there for some 50 years. But that's not the kind of music residents are complaining about.

Analogy: it's like moving into a neighborhood near an airport. You know the airplanes are loud. Then the airport decides to send up rockets.
 
2014-04-21 08:50:15 PM

AliceBToklasLives: hasty ambush: Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.

Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..

They have been playing rock there for some 50 years. But that's not the kind of music residents are complaining about.

Analogy: it's like moving into a neighborhood near an airport. You know the airplanes are loud. Then the airport decides to send up rockets.


That's not even close to what it like, they are probably just pissed the other shows run longer than rock shows.

Again fark em, they knew it was there and bought the home a mile away anyways.
 
2014-04-21 08:50:43 PM
I went and counted the number of EDM shows at Red Rocks this year. There are 23 this year. I'm an excellent driver.
 
2014-04-21 08:59:54 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-04-21 09:02:05 PM

steamingpile: AliceBToklasLives: hasty ambush: Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.

Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..

They have been playing rock there for some 50 years. But that's not the kind of music residents are complaining about.

Analogy: it's like moving into a neighborhood near an airport. You know the airplanes are loud. Then the airport decides to send up rockets.

That's not even close to what it like, they are probably just pissed the other shows run longer than rock shows.

Again fark em, they knew it was there and bought the home a mile away anyways.


Ok the difference is not that dramatic but these shows are considerably louder that your average show, as demonstrated above with science (you can argue with that shiat).

There has to be a 'we didn't sign up for THIS kind of music' line that lies somewhere between the volume of rock and that of rockets. I suspect literally-shake-your-house bass crosses that line.
 
2014-04-21 09:10:46 PM

AliceBToklasLives: steamingpile: AliceBToklasLives: hasty ambush: Ambivalence: So move.  Red Rocks is awesome.

Which brings me to my question. Which was there first, Red Rock or the Housing developments?  We do get these situation, as an example, where airports are built out in the middle of nowhere, relatively speaking, then development take place and the residence start to complain about the noise-then screw them.

On the other hand if the home owners were there first screw Red Rock..

They have been playing rock there for some 50 years. But that's not the kind of music residents are complaining about.

Analogy: it's like moving into a neighborhood near an airport. You know the airplanes are loud. Then the airport decides to send up rockets.

That's not even close to what it like, they are probably just pissed the other shows run longer than rock shows.

Again fark em, they knew it was there and bought the home a mile away anyways.

Ok the difference is not that dramatic but these shows are considerably louder that your average show, as demonstrated above with science (you can argue with that shiat).

There has to be a 'we didn't sign up for THIS kind of music' line that lies somewhere between the volume of rock and that of rockets. I suspect literally-shake-your-house bass crosses that line.


And again they bought houses a mile away that are new build not 30-40 year old homes, when we were out there to see Rush about 7-8 years ago we saw the new places and thought there is no way we could live this close for the traffic alone during concerts.

Its not like they didn't know it was there, signs are everywhere announcing it and like I stated its world famous, hell the Rush show we were at there were Norwegians sitting right in front of us.

I installed car steroes as a youngin so I know how far low frequencies carry but you gotta know your environment.
 
2014-04-21 09:30:50 PM
I lived at a PGA golf course for a time.   Lots of fun before during after the annual tournament, parties, dinners etc.  Meet the golfers, etc.

Every freakin year, a half dozen or so home owners would complain to the PGA about the traffic, noise etc.

YOU BOUGHT A HOUSE FROM THE PGA.  ON A PGA GOLF COURSE.  SO THE PGA COULD HOLD A TOURNAMENT EVERY YEAR, ON A PROPERLY MANAGED COURSE.  A TOURNAMENT THAT DATES BACK 60 YEARS.  THAT'S AWESOME.  AND YOU COMPLAIN EVERY YEAR ABOUT TRAFFIC? NOISE?  WTF?  DID YOU NOT NOTICE THE TOURNAMENT THAT HAPPENS  EVERY FREAKIN YEAR!

EAT SH*T AND DIE IN A FIRE


I fly my plane out of an airport built in 1922.   Big, noisy airport, then and now.  The airport management has to meet once a year with some homeowners who rant and rave about noise.  The airport management nods their heads and expresses concern, and then thinks to themselves  DO YOU MORONS NOT KNOW HOW TO DO ANY RESEARCH AT ALL BEFORE YOU BUY A HOUSE?  DID YOU NOT LOOK UP ONCE WHEN YOU WERE VISITING THE F*CKING HOUSE BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT?  150,000 LANDINGS AND TAKEOFFS A YEAR.  DO THE MATH.  YOU MISSED ALL THE GODDAM AIRPLANES, HELICOPTERS, JETS, AND SEAPLANEs OVERHEAD?  400 TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS PER DAY AND YOU DIDN'T NOTICE ANY OF THEM?  DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRICE YOU PAID REFLECTED THE FACT THAT YOU LIVE NEAR A GODDAMN AIRPORT, SO YOU PAID LESS FOR THE HOUSE?  HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO PUT TOGETHER A DOWN PAYMENT, GIVEN THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE SH*T FOR BRAINS?

/breath, breath
 
2014-04-21 09:45:24 PM
Red Rocks first concert was in 1906, and the place has been holding concerts regularly since 1949. Two rock concerts caused riots- Aretha Franklin in 1968 and Jethro Tull in 1971. This area is NOT A QUIET LOCATION DURING CONCERT SEASON. And it hasn't been for decades. The people who don't like the 'noise', should contact a realtor and sell. At Mr. Barnum so eloquently said, there is one born every minute, so they should be able to find a buyer.
 
2014-04-21 10:14:25 PM

eurotrader: Morrison  population 430 people and 31 police officers and less than 20 crimes a year. Morrison makes over $1,000,000 a year from speeding tickets and has their own tank and SWAT team that has never been used and until they stop the speed trap that is Morrison I hope Red Rocks does nothing but turn up the volume. Reason and sense play no part in any of the town's other  actions and they are just mad because Red Rocks belongs to Denver and they cannot steal money from people once they are inside the amphitheater. Red Rocks is a place to see and experience   music and has been there long before any of the whiners moved in.


Sounds like The Gorge Amphitheater and Grant County. They biatch up a storm as they count all the money that pours into what otherwise would be drive-thru country.

/Not to mention the money Ellensburg gets from speeders.
 
2014-04-21 10:22:11 PM

Bob Falfa: I used to work at an airport that was near a lot of very, very high price houses (think 5-10 million). Every couple of years, some idiot would complain and threaten a lawsuit. Even though the airport had been there for 60+ years, they figured if they complained, they'd see some real action. You know, because they are so much more important than the people who lived there before them.
It never worked.


Burbank?  Because that one is wildly amusing because the airport was there first and the rich moved in around it so they could fly their private planes out of it.
 
2014-04-21 10:27:00 PM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed


It's a perfectly reasonable answer.  If you can't be arsed to do a little research before laying out a large amount of money on a home, you get what you deserve.  It's not like Red Rocks was hidden from these people under a huge blanket; it was likely a selling point!

/feel the same way about people who live near  the Sports Complex here and complain about the noise of outdoor concerts: they brag about how they can walk to games but biatch endlessly about any show they don't like.
 
2014-04-21 10:32:20 PM

eurotrader: Morrison  population 430 people and 31 police officers and less than 20 crimes a year. Morrison makes over $1,000,000 a year from speeding tickets and has their own tank and SWAT team that has never been used and until they stop the speed trap that is Morrison I hope Red Rocks does nothing but turn up the volume. Reason and sense play no part in any of the town's other  actions and they are just mad because Red Rocks belongs to Denver and they cannot steal money from people once they are inside the amphitheater. Red Rocks is a place to see and experience   music and has been there long before any of the whiners moved in.



Breathe in deeply. As your breath flows out, let your buttocks relax.
 
2014-04-21 10:47:56 PM

OnlyM3: Wadded Beef [TotalFark]

I bet they think bumper-to-bumper traffic is just like The Holocaust, too.

Godwined in one. That's some TF level of stupid.


I think your snark meter needs recalibrating.
 
2014-04-21 10:53:56 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Bob Falfa: I used to work at an airport that was near a lot of very, very high price houses (think 5-10 million). Every couple of years, some idiot would complain and threaten a lawsuit. Even though the airport had been there for 60+ years, they figured if they complained, they'd see some real action. You know, because they are so much more important than the people who lived there before them.
It never worked.

Burbank?  Because that one is wildly amusing because the airport was there first and the rich moved in around it so they could fly their private planes out of it.


No, Westchester NY (HPN). The airport has a White Plains NY address, but it borders Greenwich CT.
 
2014-04-21 11:07:38 PM
I've had lunch in Morrison- it does tastes like Gitmo food.
 
2014-04-21 11:07:54 PM

Bob Falfa: No, Westchester NY (HPN). The airport has a White Plains NY address, but it borders Greenwich CT.


Oh that's really funny, as it's obviously the airport people from Greenwich are flying out of.
 
2014-04-21 11:36:46 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Bob Falfa: No, Westchester NY (HPN). The airport has a White Plains NY address, but it borders Greenwich CT.

Oh that's really funny, as it's obviously the airport people from Greenwich are flying out of.


They complain about that airport while taking off in their Gulfstreams.
 
2014-04-22 12:05:24 AM
It's the farking EDM shows that are causing the problems. Yep. Mostly just one type of show and one type of crowd that is causing the farking problems. It used to be the hippie/jam crowds that were the problem, now it's the EDM crowds. No way every show should suffer because of the obnoxious EDM crowd.

//It's no longer a 'camping' problem, it really is a noise issue.
 
2014-04-22 12:15:40 AM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.


it's almost like there isn't this thing called the Internet where one could search on the pros and cons of an area before moving into it...
 
2014-04-22 01:19:03 AM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.


Caveat Emptor
 
2014-04-22 02:06:06 AM

Ow! That was my feelings!: It's the farking EDM shows that are causing the problems. Yep. Mostly just one type of show and one type of crowd that is causing the farking problems. It used to be the hippie/jam crowds that were the problem, now it's the EDM crowds. No way every show should suffer because of the obnoxious EDM crowd.

//It's no longer a 'camping' problem, it really is a noise issue.


You sound exactly like the people in South Philly complaining about the "noise" from the stadiums and that the shows draw a "certain type of people" when what they really want to say is that it was Jay Z, the crowd had black people in it and eggplants near their houses scare the shiat out of them.

/they never biatch when it's Springstreen, and he always has pyro.
 
2014-04-22 02:35:57 AM
I lived in Dayton for a bit. I remember talking to residents who were surprised that the race track located next to an airport would at times be noisy. Thats when I discovered the true meaning of the Florida tag.
 
2014-04-22 05:34:57 AM

Barfmaker: Bob Falfa: I'm betting the amphitheater was there before you moved in, jackass.

I hate this answer.

It doesn't matter who was there first, people paid good money for a house and all the expenses that go with it and now they're screwed.

And countless people like you step up to defend the developers and the city because the buyers should have known better or done their own studies or whatever.

fark them if you can get away with it, great motto.


My feeling is that they *shouldn't* have gotten away with it in the first place. For example, in my town during the housing bubble, they were trying to wedge housing developments everywhere. But no matter how hard they tried, no one would buy into the one on the side of the highway, downwind of the farm. This could've been the same deal, but they decided to live with it because they liked the idea of living within earshot of Red Rocks, but didn't consider music would change against their liking. Ignorance is painful and costly in this situation.
 
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