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(io9)   Remember those thousands of farmers who committed mass-suicide over failed GMO crops? Yeah, about that   (io9.com) divider line 93
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2014-04-21 04:52:39 PM  
300,000 Indian farmers have killed themselves over failed cotton crops

Why weren't they planting Indians?
 
2014-04-21 05:01:30 PM  
Wait really? Well huh...
 
2014-04-21 05:09:16 PM  
Remember those thousands of farmers who committed mass-suicide over failed GMO crops?

No... I'm a bit surprised there was apparently a story about 300,000 people dying and I didn't hear about it. Even though it turned out to be fake, you gotta think something on that scale would, at least, do the usual Facebook rounds even if it didn't make it to any news outlets.
 
2014-04-21 05:38:20 PM  
Nope. Just because you tell a lie doesn't mean anyone believed it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-21 05:52:20 PM  
I don't remember the story either.
 
2014-04-21 06:22:17 PM  
No, but I've only been watching "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" recently.
 
2014-04-21 06:23:16 PM  
Wait, so there *aren't* 300,000 distraught hot farmer's daughters just waiting for my car to break down?
 
2014-04-21 06:44:27 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Wait, so there *aren't* 300,000 distraught hot farmer's daughters just waiting for my car to break down?


I'm struggling with this new found knowledge, too.
 
2014-04-21 07:09:52 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Wait, so there *aren't* 300,000 distraught hot farmer's daughters just waiting for my car to break down?


There are, it's just that you can thank bankers instead of Monsanto.
 
2014-04-21 07:23:17 PM  
But it was still a controlled demolition right? Right????
 
2014-04-21 07:50:04 PM  
Uh, nope. Did not hear about this. Think I would have if it had been a thing.
 
2014-04-21 08:14:11 PM  
Well, there are a quarter-million farmers in India who have committed suicide in the past five years. And SOME of them were growing GMO cotton, and at least some of THOSE crops had reduced yields; therefore I guess you could say there were mass suicides over failed crops if you wanted to.

It sounds way more dramatic than to say "farmers are killing themselves because of bank foreclosures" which is why nobody in the rest of the world has noticed; but there you go.
 
2014-04-21 08:14:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: 300,000 Indian farmers have killed themselves over failed cotton crops

Why weren't they planting Indians?


I know. play to your strength(s)
 
2014-04-21 08:20:55 PM  
It's neither GMOs nor banks.

It's...

[drumroll]

CLIMATE CHANGE!

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2009/oct/11/food-climate-cha ng e-famine-india
 
2014-04-21 08:20:59 PM  
This is the first I've heard about this.
Reminds me of the time I tricked 2 friends into spreading rumors about themselves by asking them if they'd heard the rumor about them. They went around asking everyone about the rumor until it became the talk of the town.
Small town.
CSB
 
2014-04-21 08:21:06 PM  
I think they just made up the story,  in order to debunk it.      I guess that's the easy way to do journalism.
 
2014-04-21 08:21:51 PM  
Shame on all the farmers growing crops. Try to imagine for a second all of those indigenous plant's getting murdered and plowed under just to satisfy the blood-lust of the big corn and cotton industry..the blood of all those plants is on our hands.
 
2014-04-21 08:23:14 PM  
no
 
2014-04-21 08:32:25 PM  
I heard about that the same day I heard that Don Henley died. I remember it clearly.

I had just crossed the Tappan Zee Bridge and the news came on the radio. Then I thought about that Seinfeld episode where Elaine's boyfriend is mesmerized by "Desperado."

It's weird what you remember sometimes.
 
2014-04-21 08:34:22 PM  
Who would believe that?
 
2014-04-21 08:38:38 PM  

cretinbob: no


Me neither.
 
2014-04-21 08:42:57 PM  
The real stories are juicy enough.
 
2014-04-21 08:46:05 PM  
FRFA: The article, written by Anoop Sadanandan

i104.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-21 08:47:45 PM  
For the, "if this was a thing I would have heard about it" crowd:
 It's impossible to hear about everything that happens in the world at any given time, even given the 24 hour news cycle we live in and all the multimedia in between.


Just FYI, I had heard about this, but it's been several years back that it was a "thing". Back then the numbers weren't 300,000 and a lot of people were still killing themselves.

I didn't think it was fake at the time and still don't.
 
2014-04-21 08:48:29 PM  

Somacandra: Uh, nope. Did not hear about this. Think I would have if it had been a thing.


Farmer suicide is a thing in India but as near as I can tell, it never made it over to the US in any substantial news cycle.  One of my co-workers was talking about it after a trip home.  I imagine if a substantial portion of US farmers started committing suicide, the US would pay attention.  It did make it over to some western news outlets:

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21077458
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/23/world/asia/after-farmers-commit-su ic ide-debts-fall-on-families-in-india.html
http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/03/24/india-crops-damage-farmers- su icide-idINDEEA2N00520140324

But you'll note all of those articles accurately found the cause to be bank loans, not GM crops.

Of course, the environuts found a different reason, without any actual proof:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-seeds-of-suicide-how-monsanto-destr oy s-farming/5329947
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/03/201332813553729250. ht ml (note this is the woman responsible for the suggestion in the first place)
http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-foods/indian-fa rm ers-committing-suicide-monsanto-gm-crops/ (because Seatlle restaurants have their finger on the pulse of worldwide farming)

It's not exactly surprising, Monsanto is the new Halliburton.  Say the name and people lose their shiat, proof be damned.
 
2014-04-21 08:50:09 PM  

Fakutu: This is the first I've heard about this.
Reminds me of the time I tricked 2 friends into spreading rumors about themselves by asking them if they'd heard the rumor about them. They went around asking everyone about the rumor until it became the talk of the town.
Small town.
CSB


I have an acquaintance who likes to make up stories about celebrities.  I looked all over for footage of Pam Oliver rubbing players' dicks during sideline interviews.
 
2014-04-21 08:51:47 PM  
Yes, and the story I heard was these farmers wanted the GMO seed so badly they were willing to get loans from loan sharks to buy the seed, and the larger point was the Indian government needs to better support its farmers.

It's massively pirated over there too, and Monsanto has little legal recourse supposedly.
 
2014-04-21 08:56:48 PM  
300,000 / 1,000,000,000 = .03%

/big number, small percentage
 
2014-04-21 09:01:05 PM  

WeenerGord: FRFA: The article, written by Anoop Sadanandan

[i104.photobucket.com image 460x345]


It's an anagram of "An Anon Soda Panda." Apparently, there is an anonymous panda that eschews bamboo for fizzy drinks.
 
2014-04-21 09:01:57 PM  
anti-GMOs: The Left's Climate Change Deniers
 
2014-04-21 09:05:52 PM  
Never heard of the story, but if I had, I'd have approached it with my typical "show me how you got these crappy statistics" method.
 
2014-04-21 09:06:48 PM  
huh, I thought Indian farmers committed suicide because their GMO food crops failed, either wheat or corn. some bastardy crop that doesn't reseed so the farmer has to rebuy seeds every year.

but thanks for letting me know subby
 
2014-04-21 09:08:56 PM  

That Guy Jeff: anti-GMOs: The Left's Climate Change Deniers


And RW survival nuts.

Like the anti-vaccine movement, it is a conspiracy theory that crosses political definitions.
 
2014-04-21 09:10:06 PM  
Don't get me wrong though, I think the protections afforded the big seed companies are a tad ridiculous, and any patent or copyrights should be far more limited than they currently are.
 
2014-04-21 09:10:17 PM  
"Typical of the tales told by anti-GMO activists, the chief villain here is Monsanto- "

The article sounds pretty much like they are playing up a story that wasn't widely accepted to begin with, just to tear it right back down and say "See? All this anti monsant stuff is just made up silliness. If you think Monsanto is evil, you are just as silly as the people who made this stuff up"
 
2014-04-21 09:11:04 PM  
well, here is one Fark thread from 2009:

1,500 farmers commit mass suicide. Boy, are they going to be pissed when they find out someone forgot to notify the Guinness Book of World Records

but no mention of GMO crops.

banking reforms that have forced farmers to turn to private money lenders seems to be the culprit.
 
2014-04-21 09:16:50 PM  
 
2014-04-21 09:17:33 PM  
As if a story from I09 is accurate in the first place...

The fact that I09 is pro-GMO whack really takes away any credibility the GMOers have
 
2014-04-21 09:20:15 PM  

FloridaFarkTag: As if a story from I09 is accurate in the first place...

The fact that I09 is pro-GMO whack really takes away any credibility the GMOers have


Others have linked the stories that lay the blame at bankers and loan sharks, not the GMOs.

Same shiat, different faceless organization screwing the little guy.
 
2014-04-21 09:25:29 PM  
This kind of false story spread by activists has been a problem for a long time..... The first example that I recall that finally got debunked was the "500,000 children are being kidnapped in the United States every year"

http://missingchild.wordpress.com/about/how-many-missing-children-ar e- there/  - This article says 800,000...

However,  think about the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan... Over the period of a decade some 2 million service people served in those wars

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-veterans-numbers/story?id=14928136

Almost everyone knows someone or at least knows of someone who served there.

If 500,000 children a year are being kidnapped, that's 2.5 million children, and obviously 10 million children kidnapped over a decade.  However, you rarely see stories about individual cases in the news, and if you start asking your friends, you'll probably find that few people know of actual cases.....

If the 800,000 children a year are kidnapped, then that's 4 million children over 4 years, 8 million over a decade.

However there are only about 74 million children in the United States

http://childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp?popup=true

If  one in 10 were being kidnapped the odds are very high you would know someone personally.


Now, with GMO suicides, since it's very unlikely you know any Indian farmers, it is even easier to make wild claims that won't be challenged.
 
2014-04-21 09:26:08 PM  
The anti-anti GMOer: The right's new Climate Change Denier.
 
2014-04-21 09:26:56 PM  
Wait ...... is Earth Day this week ??
 
2014-04-21 09:35:50 PM  

That Guy Jeff: anti-GMOs: The Left's Climate Change Deniers


Like any other group, they are all for something (science), until they aren't.

Your organic corn is the result of genetic manipulation. Enjoy!
 
2014-04-21 09:39:43 PM  
GREAT SCOTT! Run a correction beneath the tide schedules on Page 39!
 
2014-04-21 09:50:25 PM  

jaybeezey: That Guy Jeff: anti-GMOs: The Left's Climate Change Deniers

Like any other group, they are all for something (science), until they aren't.

Your organic corn is the result of genetic manipulation. Enjoy!


Don't forget all the CHEMICALS that are in that organic corn. And every other thing they eat, touch, breathe, and see.
 
2014-04-21 09:53:03 PM  

Muta: The anti-anti GMOer: The right's new Climate Change Denier.


I know, right. I mean, what next, will the anti-GMOers next use as their talking point the, you know, actual scientific data as stated by the scientists themselves?

Oh wait....
 
2014-04-21 10:00:49 PM  

Lokkii: This kind of false story spread by activists has been a problem for a long time..... The first example that I recall that finally got debunked was the "500,000 children are being kidnapped in the United States every year"

http://missingchild.wordpress.com/about/how-many-missing-children-ar e- there/  - This article says 800,000...

However,  think about the war in Iraq, and Afghanistan... Over the period of a decade some 2 million service people served in those wars

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-veterans-numbers/story?id=14928136

Almost everyone knows someone or at least knows of someone who served there.

If 500,000 children a year are being kidnapped, that's 2.5 million children, and obviously 10 million children kidnapped over a decade.  However, you rarely see stories about individual cases in the news, and if you start asking your friends, you'll probably find that few people know of actual cases.....

If the 800,000 children a year are kidnapped, then that's 4 million children over 4 years, 8 million over a decade.

However there are only about 74 million children in the United States

http://childstats.gov/americaschildren/tables/pop1.asp?popup=true

If  one in 10 were being kidnapped the odds are very high you would know someone personally.


Now, with GMO suicides, since it's very unlikely you know any Indian farmers, it is even easier to make wild claims that won't be challenged.


Same with the whole "There are 10 million sex slaves in the USA" or "There are 500,000 sex slaves in town for the super bowl". Total bullshiat (not that sexual slavery is okay, but inflated numbers are not cool either)
 
2014-04-21 10:11:05 PM  
I like how so many of the anti-GMO articles (e.g. dailymail) claim Monsanto seeds include a "terminator gene",despite the clear evidence that Monsanto has never sold terminator seeds.   I don't think any firm has sold V-GURT seeds, the closest thing are hybrids which do not breed true, and of course this predates GMO.

Lokkii: This kind of false story spread by activists has been a problem for a long time..... The first example that I recall that finally got debunked was the "500,000 children are being kidnapped in the United States every year"


The tricky thing with the "children reported missing" each year statistic is that some children run away and come back repeatedly,  are counted multiple times.  The statistic can be seriously skewed when you add up 5 years together to make a big dramatic number of "missing" children.

Repeats shouldn't be an issue with farmer suicides, other than cases where "non-farmers" take over the failed farm, face the same overwhelming challenges, and commit suicide in turn.
 
2014-04-21 10:12:22 PM  
Anyone that doesn't challenge a wild claim with huge numbers, requesting some kind of proof(Hell, even a list of names and places where they died, and actual crop lists) deserves their own ignorance. If only we could exile them from the social process of policymaking...
 
2014-04-21 10:22:06 PM  

Hermione_Granger: For the, "if this was a thing I would have heard about it" crowd:
 It's impossible to hear about everything that happens in the world at any given time, even given the 24 hour news cycle we live in and all the multimedia in between.


Just FYI, I had heard about this, but it's been several years back that it was a "thing". Back then the numbers weren't 300,000 and a lot of people were still killing themselves.

I didn't think it was fake at the time and still don't.


I think someone (I worked with an Indian guy at the time) mentioned it, but he said it was something 'close to' 3,000 farmers and it wasn't over cotton but debt. Then again he was blaming the government for the problem saying that something was behind, et al.

I don't know, but then again the only thing I care about is too much monoculture (to avoid banana problems), and that the studies verifying safety aren't paid for by the company (or a competitor of the company) hawking the product. The first because we see how big a fark up that is with bananas, and the second because I know how greedy humans are.
 
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