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2014-04-21 02:35:59 PM
God Bless America
 
2014-04-21 02:58:11 PM

somedude210: God Bless America


~Rand Paul
 
2014-04-21 03:00:26 PM
I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.

The problem with the conspiracy theory about 9/11 is this: you can't organise something like that without hundreds, or perhaps thousands of people being involved, and at least one of those is going to blow the whistle on it.
Crackpot evil doesn't scale up. You can find a dozen guys and have a watertight plan, but once you reach a few hundred guys, one of them is going to have a crisis of conscience and talk.
Here's a full round-up of everything that the government would need to do:-
1) Get together the sort of money to pay for it without anyone noticing.
2) Find explosives people who would be prepared to do it. This also relies on those people (and their staff) being in on the plan, and be fully signed up to a moral code that meant they could justify this to themselves.
3) Get accounts people who would pay money to secret bank accounts or bank accounts of explosives companies without them wondering about where the money was going.
4) Pay the security company to allow them access to the buildings, including paying off the guards to not say anything. This also relies on those people being in on the plan, and be fully signed up to a moral code that meant they could justify this to themselves.
5) Pay off people in the records offices about getting the plans for the building to work out the planting of explosives. This also relies on those people being in on it, moral code etc.
6) Paying off the people who supply explosives to the explosives experts as they'd see a spike in demand and following them appearing as experts testifying, would obviously raise suspicion. So, they'd need to be in on it, moral code etc, as well as any of their staff.
7) Hiring a bunch of islamic fellows to take flying lessons and being prepared to be involved in the plan. This also includes having people pay them who would need to be in on it, moral code etc.
The fact is that these guys have absolutely not one scrap of evidence of a conspiracy. No phone conversations, no emails, no receipts for explosives, no witness testimonies from any of the thousands of people listed above.
I'm not saying that their aren't some guys in the Republican Party who would do this on the basis of starting a greater war which would spread democracy in the middle east. There are people who could sleep at night thinking that a few thousands lives would be an acceptable sacrifice. But most people aren't like that.
Consider things like the Nazi death camps. They were supposed to be top secret, staffed by people loyal to the Fuhrer. And in a country where the media was controlled by the government and you could get shot for talking about it, it still got out.
 
2014-04-21 03:13:03 PM
That's not even the worst thing he has done or said.
 
2014-04-21 03:16:34 PM
"Rand Paul endorsee running for Senate in NC is a 9/11 truther"

I'm pretty sure it's now required of any Republican to be as far to the right as Ghengis Khan and question every aspect of government even existing.
 
2014-04-21 03:19:58 PM
It's a sad statement on the situation in the republic when clownshoes like this are just everyday news.
 
2014-04-21 03:22:25 PM
Let me guess, secret plot by radical muslim Obama to create a false flag that would be mishandled by the Bush administration.  He knew they would use it as a pretense to invade Iraq and with failures in multiple wars the presidency would be ripe for the taking.  Then it was just a matter of time before he could tyrannically empty suit his way to socialism.
 
2014-04-21 03:38:53 PM
Saw one of Brannon's ads a few days ago.

Against "intrusive government", but "pro-forced-birth life".  If you don't see the contradiction, you might be a wingnut.

Promises to "stop illegal NSA spying."  Right.  Put the Republicans back in charge and they'll stop illegal NSA spying.  By making it legal.
 
2014-04-21 03:41:54 PM

theorellior: It's a sad statement on the situation in the republic when clownshoes like this are just everyday news.


There was a time when half the government was in favor of owning human beings.  A few nutbars are tame in comparison.
 
2014-04-21 03:42:23 PM
This doesn't even surprise me.
 
2014-04-21 03:43:58 PM
i47.photobucket.com
 
2014-04-21 03:44:21 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Promises to "stop illegal NSA spying."


Gawd, people are morons. Go ahead, morons, vote for a Republican that says he's gonna put a crimp on the intelligence gathering of the military-industrial complex. He'll be voting for drone attacks on US citizens faster than you can say "junket trip to Aruba sponsored by Raytheon".
 
2014-04-21 03:46:08 PM
Why is the TPM linked to when the original article has all the info?

Also this is retarded as fark. Did you all think he was going to endorse the democrat?.
 
2014-04-21 03:46:32 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Saw one of Brannon's ads a few days ago.

Against "intrusive government", but "pro-forced-birth life".  If you don't see the contradiction, you might be a wingnut.

Promises to "stop illegal NSA spying."  Right.  Put the Republicans back in charge and they'll stop illegal NSA spying.  By making it legal.


That's an interesting point. Liberals sometimes lose their moral compasses and become evil, but in most cases they have the decency to try to hide it. They continue to exhibit shame. Conservatives, it seems to me, are more likely to engage in public evil.
 
2014-04-21 03:48:08 PM
Let's always try and remember that anyone who has even a single question about what happened on 9/11 is a "Truther" and a conspiracy nut. Try it! It makes you feel smarter and more rational than them!
 
2014-04-21 03:48:31 PM

NickelP: Also this is retarded as fark. Did you all think he was going to endorse the democrat?.


He didn't have to endorse a Truther nutbar.
 
2014-04-21 03:51:27 PM

Badmoodman: I'm pretty sure it's now required of any Republican to be as far to the right as Ghengis Khan and question every aspect of government even existing.


9/11 Trutherism is a defect that transcends political affiliation.
 
2014-04-21 03:51:50 PM

AteMyBrain: Let's always try and remember that anyone who has even a single question about what happened on 9/11 is a "Truther" and a conspiracy nut. Try it! It makes you feel smarter and more rational than them!


Nononono. You misunderstand. People who have questions about what happened on 9/11 are fine. Hell, I had numerous questions about it.
The "conspiracy nuts" are the ones who STILL have questions after having the real answers shown to them time and time again. They are the ones who believe or promote things that are entirely bullshiat, like explosives in the towers, missiles hitting the Pentagon, etc.
 
2014-04-21 03:52:21 PM

theorellior: He didn't have to endorse a Truther nutbar.


Just because you shouldn't do something doesn't mean you can't. Study it out.
 
2014-04-21 03:52:22 PM
Rand Paul endorsee running for Senate in NC is a 9/11 truther

Baby steps people: at least the guy isn't a white supremacist.
 
2014-04-21 03:53:11 PM
Do I think 9/11 was an inside job?  No.

Do I think that the GWB administration was evil enough to feed babies through a wood-chipper?  Absolutely.
 
2014-04-21 03:53:15 PM

fenianfark:


The thing I never understood is, even IF there were explosives, and the planes alone couldn't have brought the buildings down alone (and please don't misconstrue my hypothetical as an endorsement), why is the next supposed logical step that the government was responsible? Wouldn't it make much more sense, if that were the case (again, really likely not), that they instead hired a janitor or other low-level employee with a large swath of access to just secretly set the charges in strategic locations? Why the government?
 
2014-04-21 03:54:23 PM

theorellior: NickelP: Also this is retarded as fark. Did you all think he was going to endorse the democrat?.

He didn't have to endorse a Truther nutbar.


Pretty much.  If you can't/won't endorse someone else, then don't endorse anyone.
 
2014-04-21 03:55:00 PM
Everyone knows it was Hulk Hogan
 
2014-04-21 03:55:11 PM

sprgrss: That's not even the worst thing he has done or said.


Brannon is such a complete kook, it hides the fact that he's a complete slimebal as well:

Brannon, a doctor and former tea party activist, previously led an organization called Founder's Truth and has a history of making controversial statements on the radio. He previously called U.S. property taxes "American central planning" and referenced the Holocaust and Soviet Union as other examples of central planning. Brannon also once alleged that the United Nations is a scam to control life. His now-defunct organization's website often posted conspiracy theories like claims that there is fluoridate in the water supply and that the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag.

No, he really is:

In November Brannon said Planned Parenthood had a secret plan to kill newborn babies. He also once compared food stamps to slavery and reportedly helped sponsor and speak at a rally supporting nullification.

But it doesn't matter, because the idiots in this state will still vote for him.
 
2014-04-21 03:58:17 PM

SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.


I don't know what level of 'truther' this person is, but a single CIA agent could have plotted the hijackings and paid for the idiots to do it.  We've had dumber things that the CIA has convinced people to plot, just so that the CIA could arrest them and look like heroes.  For all we know, the CIA did set up the hijackers, pay for their training, and help them get going...and then farked up on the arrest part.

Personally, I think the 50-story building that fell without being hit *was* in fact lined with explosives.  It was originally used to house CIA documents and the CIA is dumb enough and paranoid enough to line the building with explosives in case 'they' tried to take it over ('they' being terrorists, or Communists, or Democrats, or whoever).  It also had a literal boatload of kerosene in it, although why they felt the need to store so much I can't possibly imagine.  But these would have been 40-year-old explosives, and nobody had to push the button to set them off.

But if the plan was to make sure the towers went down from the hit by the airplane, they could have taped  thermite on the supports pretty easily.  No detonators, no special training, just make sure when the building caught on fire it would be hot enough to take it down.    I don't think that would take anywhere near the level of conspiracy that people think, and the government has tons of the stuff lying around.
 
2014-04-21 03:58:19 PM

Hetfield: theorellior: He didn't have to endorse a Truther nutbar.

Just because you shouldn't do something doesn't mean you can't. Study it out.


Well, crap, you got me there. We're behind the looking glass, here, people.
 
2014-04-21 04:02:11 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Saw one of Brannon's ads a few days ago.

Against "intrusive government", but "pro-forced-birth life".  If you don't see the contradiction, you might be a wingnut.

Promises to "stop illegal NSA spying."  Right.  Put the Republicans back in charge and they'll stop illegal NSA spying.  By making it legal.


Oh come on.  You know, it is possible to accurately portray someone's political beliefs, and still be opposed to it.

Pro-life people (for the most part) believe that life begins at inception, so abortion is essentially murder.  Even the most liberterian people acknowledge that the government should outlaw murder, and would not qualify that as intrusive.  Pro-choice people disagree, and view life starting at other points, and that a woman's right to choose takes precendence.  Refusal to understand where the other side is coming from is one of the reasons the political landscape has gotten so ugly.

And is it really so hard to believe that the liberterian wing of the Republican Party may have different views on the NSA than the interventionalist wing?
 
2014-04-21 04:02:41 PM

Flappyhead: theorellior: NickelP: Also this is retarded as fark. Did you all think he was going to endorse the democrat?.

He didn't have to endorse a Truther nutbar.

Pretty much.  If you can't/won't endorse someone else, then don't endorse anyone.


How many senate raises has Obama opted not to endorse the democrat in?
 
2014-04-21 04:06:45 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.

I don't know what level of 'truther' this person is, but a single CIA agent could have plotted the hijackings and paid for the idiots to do it.  We've had dumber things that the CIA has convinced people to plot, just so that the CIA could arrest them and look like heroes.  For all we know, the CIA did set up the hijackers, pay for their training, and help them get going...and then farked up on the arrest part.

Personally, I think the 50-story building that fell without being hit *was* in fact lined with explosives.  It was originally used to house CIA documents and the CIA is dumb enough and paranoid enough to line the building with explosives in case 'they' tried to take it over ('they' being terrorists, or Communists, or Democrats, or whoever).  It also had a literal boatload of kerosene in it, although why they felt the need to store so much I can't possibly imagine.  But these would have been 40-year-old explosives, and nobody had to push the button to set them off.

But if the plan was to make sure the towers went down from the hit by the airplane, they could have taped  thermite on the supports pretty easily.  No detonators, no special training, just make sure when the building caught on fire it would be hot enough to take it down.    I don't think that would take anywhere near the level of conspiracy that people think, and the government has tons of the stuff lying around.


Nice. 9/10

Would have gotten me without the thermite reference.
 
2014-04-21 04:07:45 PM

NickelP: Flappyhead: theorellior: NickelP: Also this is retarded as fark. Did you all think he was going to endorse the democrat?.

He didn't have to endorse a Truther nutbar.

Pretty much.  If you can't/won't endorse someone else, then don't endorse anyone.

How many senate raises has Obama opted not to endorse the democrat in?


This nutbar is currently running in a primary.  There's seven other Republicans running in that primary.
So your question would be better worded as "How many senate races has Obama opted not to endorse the one insane democrat out of the eight running?"
 
2014-04-21 04:07:52 PM

SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.



1) CIA and Mossad Deal drugs and arms
2) Israeli Special Forces would have no problem doing it
3) They own banks
4) Israeli Security at all the Airports and Building(except Pentagon).
5) Had access to core of building through security
6) The NYPD stopped a truck with Israeli's and explosive residue, they were quietly deported
7) Mossad already knew there was a hijacking planned
 
2014-04-21 04:28:41 PM

flynn80: SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.


1) CIA and Mossad Deal drugs and arms
2) Israeli Special Forces would have no problem doing it
3) They own banks
4) Israeli Security at all the Airports and Building(except Pentagon).
5) Had access to core of building through security
6) The NYPD stopped a truck with Israeli's and explosive residue, they were quietly deported
7) Mossad already knew there was a hijacking planned


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-04-21 04:29:32 PM
Brannon has a history of making bizarre and outlandish comments, causing national Republicans to worry that he could be a liability if he won the nomination.

Embrace your creation, you fu*ktards. You brought us the steaming pile of crap, now roll around in it. Any way you cut it, your voting bloc is dying. If you continue keeping them on your tickets you will continue to be known as the greatest threat to humanity in all of history (besides you know who), and if you kick them out you still lose your voting bloc. Either way your time as a national power is limited and dwindling.
 
2014-04-21 04:38:45 PM

flynn80: SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.


1) CIA and Mossad Deal drugs and arms
2) Israeli Special Forces would have no problem doing it
3) They own banks
4) Israeli Security at all the Airports and Building(except Pentagon).
5) Had access to core of building through security
6) The NYPD stopped a truck with Israeli's and explosive residue, they were quietly deported
7) Mossad already knew there was a hijacking planned


Makes perfect sense...as long as your wearing exactly the right amount of tin foil
 
2014-04-21 04:39:31 PM
As of now, Brannon appears able to make a run-off for the Republican nomination. Interesting that a poll released two weeks ago shows the incumbent Democrat Kay Hagen slightly ahead of the current GOP frontrunner but trailing slightly to Brannon, currently second among GOP candidates. She also trails when polled against each of the 3 other Republican prospects.
 
2014-04-21 04:46:13 PM

SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.

The problem with the conspiracy theory about 9/11 is this: you can't organise something like that without hundreds, or perhaps thousands of people being involved, and at least one of those is going to blow the whistle on it.
Crackpot evil doesn't scale up. You can find a dozen guys and have a watertight plan, but once you reach a few hundred guys, one of them is going to have a crisis of conscience and talk.
Here's a full round-up of everything that the government would need to do:-


There are two kinds of 9/11 truthers:  those who believe the government made it happen, and those who believe they let it happen.  Your post completely debunks the former.
 
2014-04-21 04:55:32 PM
Kook endorses other kook. Shocking.
 
2014-04-21 04:59:18 PM

Smoking GNU: flynn80: SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.


1) CIA and Mossad Deal drugs and arms
2) Israeli Special Forces would have no problem doing it
3) They own banks
4) Israeli Security at all the Airports and Building(except Pentagon).
5) Had access to core of building through security
6) The NYPD stopped a truck with Israeli's and explosive residue, they were quietly deported
7) Mossad already knew there was a hijacking planned


The don't need citations when they KNOW it's true. They just KNOW it.

At least, it COULD have been true, so that means it's PROBABLY true and we all know they WOULD HAVE DONE IT so yeah, it happened just like that and anyone who thinks otherwise is shilling for the government.
 
2014-04-21 05:00:21 PM
I don't think he's a truther, he's just been deluded by the loudmouths in the tea party into thinking that he will get more votes by appealing to mouth-breathers like this than by putting forth intelligent policies and trying to appeal to rational people.

Or he could just be pants on head retarded.  Like I care.
 
2014-04-21 05:09:42 PM

flynn80: SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.


1) CIA and Mossad Deal drugs and arms
2) Israeli Special Forces would have no problem doing it
3) They own banks
4) Israeli Security at all the Airports and Building(except Pentagon).
5) Had access to core of building through security
6) The NYPD stopped a truck with Israeli's and explosive residue, they were quietly deported
7) Mossad already knew there was a hijacking planned


iblamethejews.jpg
 
2014-04-21 05:15:05 PM

UNC_Samurai: sprgrss: That's not even the worst thing he has done or said.

Brannon is such a complete kook, it hides the fact that he's a complete slimebal as well:

Brannon, a doctor and former tea party activist, previously led an organization called Founder's Truth and has a history of making controversial statements on the radio. He previously called U.S. property taxes "American central planning" and referenced the Holocaust and Soviet Union as other examples of central planning. Brannon also once alleged that the United Nations is a scam to control life. His now-defunct organization's website often posted conspiracy theories like claims that there is fluoridate in the water supply and that the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag.

No, he really is:

In November Brannon said Planned Parenthood had a secret plan to kill newborn babies. He also once compared food stamps to slavery and reportedly helped sponsor and speak at a rally supporting nullification.

But it doesn't matter, because the idiots in this state will still vote for him.


Brannon has also been found liable in civil court for misleading investors.

Jury finds GOP Senate candidate misled investors
http://www.wral.com/jury-finds-gop-senate-candidate-misled-investors /1 3406154/
 
2014-04-21 05:26:05 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Saw one of Brannon's ads a few days ago.

Against "intrusive government", but "pro-forced-birth life".  If you don't see the contradiction, you might be a wingnut.

Promises to "stop illegal NSA spying."  Right.  Put the Republicans back in charge and they'll stop illegal NSA spying.  By making it legal.


They already did, actually. That's what's scary- the Patriot Act enabled this (even if the intent wasn't to authorize it per se).
 
2014-04-21 05:32:04 PM
What I don't get is that if you believe that 9/11 was an inside job, then wouldn't the perpetrators have to have been Republicans?  So if you believe that the Republican party is responsible for it and you are running as a Republican, then what does that say about you?

/Aside from the fact that you're crazy
 
2014-04-21 05:39:11 PM
He is one of the least crazy ones running for the senate nomination. The scarier thing is they have a chance of getting elected.
 
2014-04-21 05:42:04 PM
The media would have you believe that this candidate's alleged flirtation with trutherism will bring down his campaign, but the fact is that no campaign in history has been brought down by it.  The issue just doesn't burn hot enough in the public concioussness to cause the support of the base to give way allowing the structure of the campaign to pancake on top of itself.
 
2014-04-21 05:47:25 PM
If you believe that 9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by a republican government why on earth would you run as a republican?
 
2014-04-21 05:49:02 PM

SurfaceTension: I have this on my profile. The original poster that I saw posting this was farkeruk.

The problem with the conspiracy theory about 9/11 is this: you can't organise something like that without hundreds, or perhaps thousands of people being involved, and at least one of those is going to blow the whistle on it.
Crackpot evil doesn't scale up. You can find a dozen guys and have a watertight plan, but once you reach a few hundred guys, one of them is going to have a crisis of conscience and talk.
Here's a full round-up of everything that the government would need to do:-
1) Get together the sort of money to pay for it without anyone noticing.
2) Find explosives people who would be prepared to do it. This also relies on those people (and their staff) being in on the plan, and be fully signed up to a moral code that meant they could justify this to themselves.
3) Get accounts people who would pay money to secret bank accounts or bank accounts of explosives companies without them wondering about where the money was going.
4) Pay the security company to allow them access to the buildings, including paying off the guards to not say anything. This also relies on those people being in on the plan, and be fully signed up to a moral code that meant they could justify this to themselves.
5) Pay off people in the records offices about getting the plans for the building to work out the planting of explosives. This also relies on those people being in on it, moral code etc.
6) Paying off the people who supply explosives to the explosives experts as they'd see a spike in demand and following them appearing as experts testifying, would obviously raise suspicion. So, they'd need to be in on it, moral code etc, as well as any of their staff.
7) Hiring a bunch of islamic fellows to take flying lessons and being prepared to be involved in the plan. This also includes having people pay them who would need to be in on it, moral code etc.
The fact is that these guys have absolutely not one s ...


Or, as South Park succinctly put it:

"It was only the most complicated and flawlessly executed conspiracy of ALL TIME."

/also: "1/4 of the country is RETARDED!"
 
2014-04-21 05:52:21 PM
I get very frustrated when people say that Jet Fuel does not get hot enough to melt steel.  Why is this an issue?  All it had to do was get hot enough to soften the steel a bit and then let all the weight of the floors above bend it.  CRASH!
 
2014-04-21 05:59:50 PM

UNC_Samurai: sprgrss: That's not even the worst thing he has done or said.

Brannon is such a complete kook, it hides the fact that he's a complete slimebal as well:

Brannon, a doctor and former tea party activist, previously led an organization called Founder's Truth and has a history of making controversial statements on the radio. He previously called U.S. property taxes "American central planning" and referenced the Holocaust and Soviet Union as other examples of central planning. Brannon also once alleged that the United Nations is a scam to control life. His now-defunct organization's website often posted conspiracy theories like claims that there is fluoridate in the water supply and that the Boston Marathon bombing was a false flag.

No, he really is:

In November Brannon said Planned Parenthood had a secret plan to kill newborn babies. He also once compared food stamps to slavery and reportedly helped sponsor and speak at a rally supporting nullification.

But it doesn't matter, because the idiots in this state will still vote for him.


I want him to win the nomination.  It will guarantee Kay Hagan's reelection.
 
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