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(Variety)   Didn't like "Man of Steel"? It's not Zack Snyder's fault, it's yours for clinging to Christopher Reeve's Superman   (variety.com ) divider line
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2014-04-21 03:06:05 PM  
myhollywooddream.com
 
2014-04-21 03:12:06 PM  
no, Man of Steel was boring and lacked any sense of FUN whatsoever
 
2014-04-21 03:22:40 PM  

Mega Steve: It would have been a billion times better if he'd fought a giant spider at the end


Did you know that spiders are one of the deadliest killing machines in the animal kingdom?

/and needed more polar bear razzling
 
2014-04-21 03:30:13 PM  

scottydoesntknow: basemetal: Or...........superhero flicks have been way over done and everyone is bored with them.

Captain America 2 would like a word with you ($586M worldwide).

Mediocre superhero flicks have been way over done, and DC just can't seem to figure out what to do with its property.

Love 'em or hate 'em, Marvel figured out a formula and it's working very well.


After devouring both seasons of Young Justice in one weekend I'd somewhat agree and disagree.

They can't figure out how to make movies for shiat. They seem to do amazing jobs with the animation.
But I think it might be more because of the cast: a lot of smaller, B list heroes, who have to struggle and fight and grow, rather than just having godlike powers. It's really just boring to watch Superman emo-angst about things when he is a literal god.

It was awesome to watch superboy struggle with stuff, and angst a bit, because he couldn't just 'stop holding himself down at 1% of his strength' and bump it to 1.5% to win.

Same really goes for Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, and the other A listers. Sure, Dark Knight/etc with Bale showed us it can be done well. It's just harder.

/anyone recommend something as good as young justice?
//printed or film, doesn't matter
///also enjoyed the previous Teen Titans show
 
2014-04-21 03:36:06 PM  
Anyone else sick of "this" as a response, even when they agree with the thing the "this" is "this"-ing?

/THIS
//THIS
///THIS
 
2014-04-21 03:39:18 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Sybarite: These two were my favorite part.

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yep

mjones73: Antje Traue can kick my ass any day she wants.

amen


The true star of MOS:

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I think more pics are needed.
 
2014-04-21 03:44:29 PM  

kroonermanblack: scottydoesntknow: basemetal: Or...........superhero flicks have been way over done and everyone is bored with them.

Captain America 2 would like a word with you ($586M worldwide).

Mediocre superhero flicks have been way over done, and DC just can't seem to figure out what to do with its property.

Love 'em or hate 'em, Marvel figured out a formula and it's working very well.

After devouring both seasons of Young Justice in one weekend I'd somewhat agree and disagree.

They can't figure out how to make movies for shiat. They seem to do amazing jobs with the animation.
But I think it might be more because of the cast: a lot of smaller, B list heroes, who have to struggle and fight and grow, rather than just having godlike power
s. It's really just boring to watch Superman emo-angst about things when he is a literal god.

It was awesome to watch superboy struggle with stuff, and angst a bit, because he couldn't just 'stop holding himself down at 1% of his strength' and bump it to 1.5% to win.

Same really goes for Flash, Green Lantern, Batman, and the other A listers. Sure, Dark Knight/etc with Bale showed us it can be done well. It's just harder.

/anyone recommend something as good as young justice?
//printed or film, doesn't matter
///also enjoyed the previous Teen Titans show


THIS....er wait.... I agree.

Young justice was pretty good, I enjoyed that take on it (set on the New 52's earth-16, supposedly).  Really liked the whole Roy/Speedy/Arsenal angle.

Am also enjoying Arrow which is still better then AoS (though AoS is showing some promise).  The new Flash may end up being interesting, since it is from the same team.  Goes back to my whole view:  Marvel:Movies::DC:Television(including animation)

Marvel is getting better on TV, but in the same way that DC did with the Nolan Batman movies: we may see a trend starting, but too early tell.
 
2014-04-21 03:45:20 PM  
kroonermanblack:

/anyone recommend something as good as young justice? printed or film, doesn't matter

Cartoon:
Tron: Uprising... great story and voice-acting. It takes a few episodes to get into it.
Star Wars The Clone Wars
Justice League Unlimited (all episodes were good)

Comics:
Starman (the James Robinson issues, about 80 of them, available as trade paperbacks)
Hitman (by Garth Ennis, about 60 issues)
 
2014-04-21 03:50:45 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: kroonermanblack:

/anyone recommend something as good as young justice? printed or film, doesn't matter

Cartoon:
Tron: Uprising... great story and voice-acting. It takes a few episodes to get into it.
Star Wars The Clone Wars
Justice League Unlimited (all episodes were good)

Comics:
Starman (the James Robinson issues, about 80 of them, available as trade paperbacks)
Hitman (by Garth Ennis, about 60 issues)


Eh, while I liked Tron Uprising, it's kind of a disappointment since it got cancelled and you're left hanging a bit.
 
2014-04-21 04:15:31 PM  

kroonermanblack: scottydoesntknow: basemetal: Or...........superhero flicks have been way over done and everyone is bored with them.

Captain America 2 would like a word with you ($586M worldwide).

Mediocre superhero flicks have been way over done, and DC just can't seem to figure out what to do with its property.

Love 'em or hate 'em, Marvel figured out a formula and it's working very well.

After devouring both seasons of Young Justice in one weekend I'd somewhat agree and disagree.


I wish Netflix would put season 2 of Young Justice up already.  I burned through season 1 in a week.

/and they could get back the DC animated movies too
 
2014-04-21 04:19:14 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Justice League Unlimited (all episodes were good)


Everyone who saw JLU will co-sign, but especially season 1 which was off the charts with fun, action, intrigue, laughs, etc.
 
2014-04-21 04:20:44 PM  

Bubblegum Tate: kroonermanblack: scottydoesntknow: basemetal: Or...........superhero flicks have been way over done and everyone is bored with them.

Captain America 2 would like a word with you ($586M worldwide).

Mediocre superhero flicks have been way over done, and DC just can't seem to figure out what to do with its property.

Love 'em or hate 'em, Marvel figured out a formula and it's working very well.

After devouring both seasons of Young Justice in one weekend I'd somewhat agree and disagree.

I wish Netflix would put season 2 of Young Justice up already.  I burned through season 1 in a week.

/and they could get back the DC animated movies too


If there's one drawback with YJ, it was (sign) Zatanna.  IIRC Season 1 Zee was great.  Season 2 Zee was...trying to make her jailbait (by her costume, not her demeanor), which I did not appreciate.
 
2014-04-21 04:20:52 PM  
Stratohead:

pretty much THIS... they at least keep consistent within their own internal logic.  They don't introduce elements into the plot to justify some other nonsensical point, only to have either ignore it, or create and even more retarded rationalization ...  MoS starts out with a big hole...and just keeps digging deeper and deeper.


You mean like in Avengers when the movie opens with one of their agents getting possessed and they don't think to maybe change the IFF in order to keep him from getting near their airship?  Or the scientist who is completely under Lokis control building a failsafe into a staff he never touches?  Or Loki getting captured so he could unleash the Hulk and escape because he knew the Hulk would be there and he wanted to get caught so he could just escape and so on?  The film is still enjoyable but as I said, it also has a lot of inconsistencies that don't hold up very well.
 
2014-04-21 04:22:14 PM  

Rwa2play: If there's one drawback with YJ, it was (sigh) Zatanna.  IIRC Season 1 Zee was great.  Season 2 Zee was...trying to make her jailbait (by her costume, not her demeanor), which I did not appreciate.


FTFM.
 
2014-04-21 04:24:21 PM  

Flappyhead: Stratohead:

pretty much THIS... they at least keep consistent within their own internal logic.  They don't introduce elements into the plot to justify some other nonsensical point, only to have either ignore it, or create and even more retarded rationalization ...  MoS starts out with a big hole...and just keeps digging deeper and deeper.


You mean like in Avengers when the movie opens with one of their agents getting possessed and they don't think to maybe change the IFF in order to keep him from getting near their airship?  Or the scientist who is completely under Lokis control building a failsafe into a staff he never touches?  Or Loki getting captured so he could unleash the Hulk and escape because he knew the Hulk would be there and he wanted to get caught so he could just escape and so on?  The film is still enjoyable but as I said, it also has a lot of inconsistencies that don't hold up very well.


Ummmm everybody knew he was onto something...they just didn't know what he was aiming for until BW tricked him into spilling it.
 
2014-04-21 04:32:54 PM  

Rwa2play: everybody knew he was onto something...they just didn't know what he was aiming for until BW tricked him into spilling it.


And what guy wouldn't spill all over Black Widow given the opportunity.  She has the kind of face I don't come across often.
 
2014-04-21 04:35:05 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: Rwa2play: everybody knew he was onto something...they just didn't know what he was aiming for until BW tricked him into spilling it.

And what guy wouldn't spill all over Black Widow given the opportunity.


Obviously not Loki; "mewling quim" and all that...

She has the kind of face I don't come across often.

Just the face?
 
2014-04-21 04:38:48 PM  

Flappyhead: Stratohead:

pretty much THIS... they at least keep consistent within their own internal logic.  They don't introduce elements into the plot to justify some other nonsensical point, only to have either ignore it, or create and even more retarded rationalization ...  MoS starts out with a big hole...and just keeps digging deeper and deeper.


You mean like in Avengers when the movie opens with one of their agents getting possessed and they don't think to maybe change the IFF in order to keep him from getting near their airship?  Or the scientist who is completely under Lokis control building a failsafe into a staff he never touches?  Or Loki getting captured so he could unleash the Hulk and escape because he knew the Hulk would be there and he wanted to get caught so he could just escape and so on?  The film is still enjoyable but as I said, it also has a lot of inconsistencies that don't hold up very well.


No. Loki planned to be captured to serve as a distraction. Barton and Selvig were assembling the components to build the portal generator and they used the distraction to finish it and set the device up on Stark Tower. Loki also got his staff on the Helicarrier, where it started to mess with the heroes' minds and, later, allowed Barton to track down the invisible ship and nearly knock it out of the sky.
 
2014-04-21 04:39:22 PM  

Larry Mahnken: I'm totally fine with them not using the John Williams Superman March in the movie... but would it not have been perfect music for the end of the movie?


That used to be a real strength of the Reeves Superman and Keaton Batman. Those theme songs are some of the most appropriate I've ever heard for a character. All it takes is those first few notes from either to put an actual visual image of the character in my head.
 
2014-04-21 04:42:36 PM  
I can forgive quite a few criticisms I initially had with MoS but the last 20 minutes was a loud, drawn-out assault on the viewer as the final fight between Supes and Zod was laughable. If the Krypton guys don't actually feel the effects or have repercussions of their head being shoved all the day down the entire side of a skyscraper then the fight is pointless. Dull.
 
2014-04-21 04:44:43 PM  

Rwa2play: Just the face?


Sorry, I was double-entendreing all over the place.
 
2014-04-21 04:45:32 PM  

mongbiohazard: Glad to see a Man of Steel thread with a good number of people who liked it. Some days I've felt like I've been taking crazy pills, what with all the nerdrage over it.

Man of Steel was fantastic. Yes they fought in the city because Superman didn't have a farking choice in the matter. Zoe and his flunkies were explicitly there to kill everyone. What was Superman supposed to do - hurl super-curses at them from outside the city while they laughed at him and completed their plan, killing everyone, from inside of it? That makes no damn sense... Zoe and company would just stay inside the city and win.


This right here.

Seriously, as much as I think that I'm nerdy, I know that I can never hold a candle to some of you guys. The way some people lose their mmind over the most minute details...
 
2014-04-21 04:46:39 PM  

noheadphones: What's funny is the movies everyone loses their minds gushing over(Avengers, Dark Knight) are also riddled with gaping plot holes.  The only thing more annoying than fanboi rage is selective fanboi rage.


It's because the characters are better-the actors are better-and the writing is better.  People want good performances, and will forgive some plot holes, as long as there is a beginning and end.


I'd say that this is evidence for my thesis that people habitually assign way too much importance to plotting when reviewing movies.

You're absolutely right that the other things -- the narrative, the acting, the dialog, and so forth -- are the things that really make or break a film. The plot of a movie is just the skeleton; everything else is the flesh that animates it and gives it character.

By that very point, though, I find criticism that focus on plot points to be off target. I suspect that when people attack plot points in movies (and  every movie has plot holes, kids), it's really a way of rationalizing the facts that they didn't like it. I think that their irritation with the plot is the effect of them not liking a movie, not the cause.
 
2014-04-21 04:51:22 PM  

fatz3456: Larry Mahnken: I'm totally fine with them not using the John Williams Superman March in the movie... but would it not have been perfect music for the end of the movie?

That used to be a real strength of the Reeves Superman and Keaton Batman. Those theme songs are some of the most appropriate I've ever heard for a character. All it takes is those first few notes from either to put an actual visual image of the character in my head.


Hell, the original Williams Superman theme still gives me a bit of a thrill when it kicks into high gear. I actually re-watched the Reeves Superman 1 and the Donner cut of Superman 2, and while a bit cheesy in parts, and the effects are kinda laughable, it still holds up to be a decent flick IMO.

As far as Keaton's Batman theme, it also helps that the animated series for Batman that came about a few years later kept a modified version of the same theme. When I hear that theme I immediately think about Batman:The Animated Series and Kevin Conroy's voice.
 
2014-04-21 04:54:30 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: For greatest Superman comic one-shot stories, look at Starman 75, and Hitman 34. Written from the prospective of reluctant heroes who idolize Superman.

[img2.wikia.nocookie.net image 400x611]

http://www.shwiggie.com/hitman/hm-34/


There will never be any way to swing a Jack Knight adaptation, especially so many years after the run ended and how ancillary he is to just about any significant franchise WB could milk (JSA maybe, but nothing he did in it that they couldn't give to another team member even during Robinson's run).

This is a tragedy. Easily my favorite super hero book, and it's what got me over a youthful "Marvel is better because their characters are more realistic!" fanboyism and learn to embrace the mythology of comics.

Yes the Superman issue is great. However I'd say it's no moreso than every other page of that series.

...except for some of the one-off issues during A Starry Knight. A special appearance by Space Cabbie? REALLY>
 
2014-04-21 04:54:54 PM  
I'm a big fan of the Reeve Superman flicks, especially I & II, but enjoyed the heck out of MOS.  I did start watching it again on HBO recently and found it kind of boring.  I don't really see it as a flick I'll watch over and over.
 
2014-04-21 05:21:13 PM  

Blathering Idjut: I'm a big fan of the Reeve Superman flicks, especially I & II, but enjoyed the heck out of MOS.  I did start watching it again on HBO recently and found it kind of boring.  I don't really see it as a flick I'll watch over and over.


You know, one hopes that B/S will be great.  If it isn't it's going to sink WB and DC; it cannot afford to be mediocre.
 
2014-04-21 05:25:37 PM  

Rwa2play: You know, one hopes that B/S will be great.


Ok, so I *FINALLY* watched Dark Knight Rises.

****SPOILER ALERT JUST TO BE NICE. SERIOUSLY THOUGH, THE MOVIE IS 2 YEARS OLD.****

So... WHY aren't they using Levitt or Bale? I mean, storyling wise, not using Bale can be understood (although they could wedge him in there if they really wanted).... why not his replacement?
 
2014-04-21 05:31:17 PM  
Had an argument with a co worker last week.  He was throwing the same hissy fit about Superman killing Zod.  I reminded him that CR Superman also killed Zod.  "No he didnt no he didnt, he just stripped him of his powers".  And I asked him what he thought happened to Zod after Supes dropped his ass down that chasm?  Its not like its a ball pit down there.
 
2014-04-21 05:36:31 PM  

Flappyhead: ferretman: I liked it.....but then anything, even Superman III, would be better than the abortion that was 'Superman Returns'.

What's funny is Returns was made for the nostalgia crowd, which is precisely why it sucked.  Snyders film had its issues but at least he was willing to go in a new direction and I enjoyed a lot more than I thought I would.


No, "Returns" sucked because it forgot what made the original movies so fun and so good for families. It was more like the Nolan films in that is was darker and more mean-spirited. Gene Hackman always made it look like being "the greatest criminal mind of our time" was so much fun. Kevin Spacey just yelled at everybody and didn't seem to be enjoying himself at all. When the cast isn't having fun, neither is the audience. That's too bad, too, because Brandon Routh was PERFECT as Superman. They honestly should have given him his job back for "Man of Steel". Henry Cavill is fine, but Routh was better. It is freaky how much he looked like Reeve. But "Returns" was too dark and moody. It just wasn't any fun.
 
2014-04-21 05:50:51 PM  

scottydoesntknow: basemetal: Or...........superhero flicks have been way over done and everyone is bored with them.

Captain America 2 would like a word with you ($586M worldwide).

Mediocre superhero flicks have been way over done, and DC just can't seem to figure out what to do with its property.

Love 'em or hate 'em, Marvel figured out a formula and it's working very well.


Making a lot of money doesn't mean it's a good movie.

/or tired and predictable
 
2014-04-21 06:03:14 PM  

RyansPrivates: RoyFokker'sGhost: Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.

You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Punches Darkseid a ...


Captain Marvel calling him out in Clash also applies here: "and you, you were more than a hero. I idolized you. I wanted to BE you. Whenever i was out there, facing down the bad guys, i'd think 'what would Superman do?' Now I know. ...I've fought my share of of pretty nasty bad guys, but I never had to act the way they did to win a fight. I always found another way. I guess I'm saying I like being a hero, a symbol. And that's why I'm quitting the Justice League. You don't act like heroes anymore."
 
2014-04-21 06:13:05 PM  

Rwa2play: RyansPrivates: scottydoesntknow: Superman vs. The Elite is another great one. He shows what would happen if he didn't care about collateral damage and goes full anti-hero./"I finally get it. Thank you... I made the mistake of treating you people like, people. Now, I understand better... I understand now what the world wants, what it NEEDS. The world needs people in charge, willing to put the animals DOWN!"

Oh yes. Loved that and All-Star superman, watched them both on the same weekend.

/and welcome to my DC Animated fans favorites list...

Those two features showed me that DCA "get it" and whoever's in charge of DCE doesn't get one fark of the characters.


I have to agree with that statement. MoS and Dark Knight Rises both have shown to me that DC doesn't understand their characters in the movies. As generally well done as Nolan's series was, the way things played out showed that they wanted 'realism' more than 'Batman.'

I will leave the details out for the moment, but it does show why Marvel's been doing so well without quite as many complaints: They understand the characters a lot more and stay true to the general premise.
 
2014-04-21 06:13:14 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: noheadphones: What's funny is the movies everyone loses their minds gushing over(Avengers, Dark Knight) are also riddled with gaping plot holes.  The only thing more annoying than fanboi rage is selective fanboi rage.


It's because the characters are better-the actors are better-and the writing is better.  People want good performances, and will forgive some plot holes, as long as there is a beginning and end.

I'd say that this is evidence for my thesis that people habitually assign way too much importance to plotting when reviewing movies.

You're absolutely right that the other things -- the narrative, the acting, the dialog, and so forth -- are the things that really make or break a film. The plot of a movie is just the skeleton; everything else is the flesh that animates it and gives it character.

By that very point, though, I find criticism that focus on plot points to be off target. I suspect that when people attack plot points in movies (and  every movie has plot holes, kids), it's really a way of rationalizing the facts that they didn't like it. I think that their irritation with the plot is the effect of them not liking a movie, not the cause.


and it was people like yourself that Mike Judge was lampooning with the "Ass the Movie" segment of Idocricy.
 
2014-04-21 06:21:23 PM  
Actually the real plot hole in Superman 2 was how did powerless Clark and Lois get back to civilization from the Fortress of Solitude? I mean that' s a long walk from the North Pole, unless they borrowed Santa's sleigh.
 
2014-04-21 06:22:52 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: fatz3456: Larry Mahnken: I'm totally fine with them not using the John Williams Superman March in the movie... but would it not have been perfect music for the end of the movie?

That used to be a real strength of the Reeves Superman and Keaton Batman. Those theme songs are some of the most appropriate I've ever heard for a character. All it takes is those first few notes from either to put an actual visual image of the character in my head.

Hell, the original Williams Superman theme still gives me a bit of a thrill when it kicks into high gear. I actually re-watched the Reeves Superman 1 and the Donner cut of Superman 2, and while a bit cheesy in parts, and the effects are kinda laughable, it still holds up to be a decent flick IMO.

As far as Keaton's Batman theme, it also helps that the animated series for Batman that came about a few years later kept a modified version of the same theme. When I hear that theme I immediately think about Batman:The Animated Series and Kevin Conroy's voice.


bruce time said about the superman theme that you should be able to sing the word "Superman" to it. It fits the Williams song, the superman cartoon, and I'm pretty sure the old Fleischer shorts and George reeves version.
 
2014-04-21 06:32:05 PM  

Zombie DJ: Superman has always been about Hope. Even MoS said it, but there was none.
If you lived on Earth when this Superman arrived, you'd just be sitting around waiting for him to destroy your city from a second hand villain.


This. Kirby and Lee got it first, Miller got it, Burton got it, Dini & Timm got it, the current Marvel crew gets it, even Nolan got it. Realism is all well and good, but they're superheroes. With great power comes great responsibility. They have to stand for something. What did MoS Supes stand for? Epic amounts of destruction porn?
 
2014-04-21 06:32:09 PM  

Rwa2play: RyansPrivates: scottydoesntknow: Superman vs. The Elite is another great one. He shows what would happen if he didn't care about collateral damage and goes full anti-hero./"I finally get it. Thank you... I made the mistake of treating you people like, people. Now, I understand better... I understand now what the world wants, what it NEEDS. The world needs people in charge, willing to put the animals DOWN!"

Oh yes. Loved that and All-Star superman, watched them both on the same weekend.

/and welcome to my DC Animated fans favorites list...

Those two features showed me that DCA "get it" and whoever's in charge of DCE doesn't get one fark of the characters.


"the Elite" is fantastic at showing us why asking superman to be dark and edgy is like telling Frank Miller that All star Batman and Robin is fundamentally what we want.

"Is that Superman?" "Not anymore."
 
2014-04-21 06:58:42 PM  
I thought George Reeves was too old and not muscular enough to make a convincing superman. Henry Cavill is just too "petty," like Billy Zane. To me, Christopher Reeve was perfect. He was manly, had that strong jaw, and just enough muscle tone without looking like a Rob Liefeld reject.
 
2014-04-21 07:27:06 PM  
Mad_Radhu

I rewatched it a couple of times recently on HBO and it really holds together well from a plotting standpoint.
Next time watch it sans beer / pot brownies.
 
2014-04-21 07:33:49 PM  

Fano: "Is that Superman?" "Not anymore."


Damn straight.

Superman strikes a particular tone. One you have to get right or it doesn't work. That's why Batman's so flexible. All you need is black, a bat symbol and copious psychological problems.

Superman doesn't work like that. Did you read the recent Adventures of Superman run, Fano? If not, I recommend going to Comixology and getting on that.
 
2014-04-21 07:40:58 PM  
MurphyMurphy

The only thing moronic here is the over-analysis of a comic book action movie.
You know you're a gusher, when your argument is "Stop thinking!"
 
2014-04-21 07:47:09 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Fano: "Is that Superman?" "Not anymore."

Damn straight.

Superman strikes a particular tone. One you have to get right or it doesn't work. That's why Batman's so flexible. All you need is black, a bat symbol and copious psychological problems.

Superman doesn't work like that. Did you read the recent Adventures of Superman run, Fano? If not, I recommend going to Comixology and getting on that.


and you couldnt be more wrong sbout Batman. which is why the Nolan films may be popular, but they sure as fark arent Batman.  "I hate guns...better arm my vehicles to the teeth and shoot them alot, just to show how much I hate guns!"...retarded.  Nolans "Batman" isnt a detective either...he detects jack and shiat. he just has a lot of money and a massive pile of plot-tonium.
 
2014-04-21 07:56:33 PM  

Stratohead: Nolans "Batman" isnt a detective either...he detects jack and shiat. he just has a lot of money and a massive pile of plot-tonium.


None of the Batman films had him as a detective or a scientist. He figured out the combination of The Joker's cosmetic poison scheme in the first film and he did that non-sensical CSI shiat with the bullet in TDK but apparently the world's greatest detective and scientist is too hard to write for.
 
2014-04-21 08:12:45 PM  

Mugato: Mad_Radhu: (as the movie reminded us of when they showed the scene of Clark getting bullied as a kid and holding back)

And in S2 he goes back after getting back his powers and kicks that trucker's ass. That never sat right with me.


That never sat right with me either.  When I was a kid it was funny and I guess it was added for laughs but it makes Superman look like a puss.  He cries when he gets his butt kicked and only returns when he's invincible.  I love Superman I-III, though.  I saw the original in the theater when I was 7.  Oddly enough to this day it's the only movie I ever saw in the theater that had an intermission.  WTF?

'Superman isn't brave.  You don't understand. He's smart, handsome, even decent. But he's not brave. No, listen to me. Superman is indestructible, and you can't be brave if you're indestructible. It's people like you and your mother. People who are different, and can be crushed and know it. Yet they keep on going out there every time.'

/I always loved that movie quote
//Wouldn't expect it to be obscure on Fark
 
2014-04-21 08:37:10 PM  

Mugato: Stratohead: Nolans "Batman" isnt a detective either...he detects jack and shiat. he just has a lot of money and a massive pile of plot-tonium.

None of the Batman films had him as a detective or a scientist. He figured out the combination of The Joker's cosmetic poison scheme in the first film and he did that non-sensical CSI shiat with the bullet in TDK but apparently the world's greatest detective and scientist is too hard to write for.


Here's hoping the next reboot will make him a detective. I have to give Burton Batman some credit for pulling us away from the Adam West goofiness that all superhero movies had to do (even Reeves Superman with the beloved Otis and then Richard Pryor). That led to the animated series and away from "isn't that the guy that hangs out with Scooby Door?" Adam West Batman solved puzzles with insane moon logic. Nolan Batman started promising, but collapsed under his own seriousness. Next outing we can hope for a guy that solves mysteries and whomps bad guys, like Robert Downey Sherlock Holmes, but with less weirdness other than wearing a cape and bat ears.

I know I wear my DCAU fandom on my sleeve.
 
2014-04-21 08:38:44 PM  

Fano: Rwa2play: RyansPrivates: scottydoesntknow: Superman vs. The Elite is another great one. He shows what would happen if he didn't care about collateral damage and goes full anti-hero./"I finally get it. Thank you... I made the mistake of treating you people like, people. Now, I understand better... I understand now what the world wants, what it NEEDS. The world needs people in charge, willing to put the animals DOWN!"

Oh yes. Loved that and All-Star superman, watched them both on the same weekend.

/and welcome to my DC Animated fans favorites list...

Those two features showed me that DCA "get it" and whoever's in charge of DCE doesn't get one fark of the characters.

"the Elite" is fantastic at showing us why asking superman to be dark and edgy is like telling Frank Miller that All star Batman and Robin is fundamentally what we want.

"Is that Superman?" "Not anymore."


I had heard about "What's so funny about..." but that story was amazing to see as an animated feature.  All-Star Superman as well; two stories that showed us that Superman can be a badass hero.

That and his beatdown of Darkseid at the end of JLU.
 
2014-04-21 08:48:47 PM  

Fano: Here's hoping the next reboot will make him a detective


I don't see that happening. If any series of films were to get into the intellectual side of Batman it would have been the Nolan films but it didn't happen. The reboot is going to have Superman, Wonder Woman and who knows who else. They're not going to have time for a smart Batman and the kids would probably be bored if they did.
 
2014-04-21 08:53:54 PM  
I really enjoyed Man of Steel.  That being said, I have a few problems with it:

#1 - How was Jor-El even close to a match for Zod at the beginning of the movie.  Yes, I know Zod killed Jor-El, but it shouldn't have even been a fight!  If your entire race is based on genetically engineering your future generations to serve a single focus, how in the hell would a person bred and raised to be a scientist stand 5 seconds in a fight with a person bred and raised to be a soldier.  Now the defense could be made that Zod was raised to be a General, and to lead men is not the same as besting them all in hand-to-hand combat.  But even if that were true, Zod would still have a million times more experience and capabilities in combat than the scientist that was Jor-El.  This is like watching Boris from Goldeneye man-handle Jason Bourne.  It just shouldn't happen.  That fight should have lasted two seconds before they killed Jor-El.  Even barring that, however, how does a freaking General KNOW that there was an ignition code sent out from Jor-El's home, but not have a few aircraft on stand-by to immediately scuttle anything that tried to take off from that house?

#2 - Yes, we saw Clark overhearing those two guys talking about the government going after something that was buried in the ice, but in the next scene he's part of their equipment team?  How the hell did that happen?  I'm pretty sure if the government/armed forces is looking into a mysterious anomaly buried in ice, they're not going to allow just any joe schmoe to show up and say "Hey, got any work?".  They'd have their own people for that, right?  So how was Clark there without a question asked?  Did he just avoid anyone and everyone that could have possibly known he wasn't on their crew?

#3 - Why does Lois have the superpower of "Being exactly where she needs to be for the plot"?  She is literally every single place she needs to be in order for the plot to progress in some small way.  The one at the end was the biggest farking headscratcher.  Zod and Superman just literally flew ALL OVER METROPOLIS but just so happen to land within 20 seconds of Lois so she can come witness his tragic victory over Zod.  Even ignoring all of the other extremely convenient Lois sightings in the film, this one takes the cake.


None of those stopped me from enjoying the film.  I'm not a fan of Superman by any means, I honestly can't stand the character, but I liked that movie.  Hell, maybe that's WHY I liked the movie.
 
2014-04-21 08:55:26 PM  

Mugato: Fano: Here's hoping the next reboot will make him a detective

I don't see that happening. If any series of films were to get into the intellectual side of Batman it would have been the Nolan films but it didn't happen. The reboot is going to have Superman, Wonder Woman and who knows who else. They're not going to have time for a smart Batman and the kids would probably be bored if they did.


Yeah, they'll save that for their animated universe movies.

/Justice League: Doom is my favorite so far
 
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