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(Variety)   Didn't like "Man of Steel"? It's not Zack Snyder's fault, it's yours for clinging to Christopher Reeve's Superman   (variety.com) divider line 257
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2014-04-21 01:10:41 PM  
I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.
 
2014-04-21 01:13:55 PM  
Glad to see a Man of Steel thread with a good number of people who liked it. Some days I've felt like I've been taking crazy pills, what with all the nerdrage over it.

Man of Steel was fantastic. Yes they fought in the city because Superman didn't have a farking choice in the matter. Zoe and his flunkies were explicitly there to kill everyone. What was Superman supposed to do - hurl super-curses at them from outside the city while they laughed at him and completed their plan, killing everyone, from inside of it? That makes no damn sense... Zoe and company would just stay inside the city and win.
 
2014-04-21 01:14:32 PM  

jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.


I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.
 
2014-04-21 01:15:27 PM  
Mad_Radhu:I rewatched it a couple of times recently on HBO and it really holds together well from a plotting standpoint.

No it doesn't.

Why?

Because you had to watch it 5 farking times, that's why.

The movie was 1 1/2 hours of invincible asshats throwing each other through buildings and then for no real good reason, they hop on a ship and fly away. Rinse repeat.

All of the exploding shiat gave me a headache. This coming from a guy that does 3D particle VFX for a living.
 
2014-04-21 01:20:51 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.

You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Punches Darkseid across the city wit ...


World of Cardboard for the win....
 
2014-04-21 01:21:45 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: The problem isn't Chris Reeves.  It's Superman: perfect heroes are boring as hell.  Aeneas was boring, and his story is saved only by the gods farking with him.

If you want an interesting (super)hero, you want someone flawed.  Some one like Odysseus.  Someone broken like Bruce Wayne.

Captain America should be boring, too, but they did such a good job when they reintroduced him in the comics that he's much more a modern hero, a flawed hero, than Superman can ever be.


Nonsense. Batman is Superman. He never gets shot and has unlimited resources because he's a perfect billionaire. In Dark Knight 1 & 2 he can fly, in Dark Knight he has x-ray vision. How does Batman win every time? He planned ahead while everyone else was sitting on their thumbs. The only reason Batman and Iron Man aren't boring is because Americans are obsessed with the dream of being wealthy.
 
2014-04-21 01:22:04 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Confabulat: Man of Steel was a better Superman movie than any of the Reeve flicks. They are embarrassing to watch in 2014.

Sorry, but no. Man of Steel was ok, but it failed to make me care about a single character in the movie. Pa Kent dies, meh. Ma Kent get's threatened, oh well. Lois's life is in danger, so what? Hell I found myself barely caring about Supes, much less anyone else in the flick. The characters just seemed flat to me.


I feel the same. I didn't get what Superman saw in Lois Lane in this movie except that she just happened to be around a lot when shiat hit the fan. It was clearly a case of the director/writer going, "Well, the audience already knows they're supposed to get together so who cares."
 
2014-04-21 01:22:53 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.

You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Punches Darkseid across the city wit ...


that or the earlier episode where Superman is baited into fighting Captain Marvel.

does no one else have a problem with Superman leaving Smallville with one assumes a mere high school diploma, then manages to do heat vision surgery on Lois Lane, while not leaving a mark on her?  you'd think she'd have a cauterized hole in her abdomen, that she could show Perry White later when he accuses her of hallucinating.   Zack Snyder should go back to making music videos. All his films make as much as sense a 5 year old playing with their toys.  meaning...NONE.
 
2014-04-21 01:24:54 PM  

RyansPrivates: RoyFokker'sGhost: Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.

You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Punches Darkseid a ...


World of Cardboard for the win...

/now with link hotness
//or hotty linkness
 
2014-04-21 01:25:34 PM  

RyansPrivates: RoyFokker'sGhost: Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.

You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Punches Darkseid a ...


Oh god, not the world of cardboard. That's the saddest retcon I've ever seen. "All those times I winced in pain and fell backwards during this 200 episode series? I was faking it. So what if millions of lives depended on me using my full capacity? I wanted to look weak so I could headfake a single buff alien who wears a skirt."
 
2014-04-21 01:29:08 PM  
It would have been a billion times better if he'd fought a giant spider at the end
 
2014-04-21 01:30:02 PM  

RyansPrivates: RyansPrivates: RoyFokker'sGhost: Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.

You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Pun ...


Superman vs. The Elite is another great one. He shows what would happen if he didn't care about collateral damage and goes full anti-hero.

/"I finally get it. Thank you... I made the mistake of treating you people like, people. Now, I understand better... I understand now what the world wants, what it NEEDS. The world needs people in charge, willing to put the animals DOWN!"
 
2014-04-21 01:32:29 PM  
Wow, no Zack.  "Superman Returns" should've clued you in to the fact that a lot of people were tired of Reeve/Donner Superman.

The fact that the story was about as good as Geoff Johns' current run (read: total suck) should've clued you in that MoS wasn't going to be the blockbuster you thought it should've been.
 
2014-04-21 01:33:40 PM  
Face it.
If you hated Donner's first two and loved Man of Steel, you don't know who Superman was and never really cared or read comics.
You can say I'm wrong, but I'm not.
 
2014-04-21 01:34:05 PM  
Hey, Zack... fark you. That work for ya?
 
2014-04-21 01:35:09 PM  

clkeagle: Except that nobody is complainibg about Henry Cavill's performance. He did a great job with the material he was given.

Just like Reeve did.


And, to be honest, Brandon Routh as well.  Not his fault "SR" was (at best) mediocre.
 
2014-04-21 01:35:29 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Superman vs. The Elite is another great one. He shows what would happen if he didn't care about collateral damage and goes full anti-hero./"I finally get it. Thank you... I made the mistake of treating you people like, people. Now, I understand better... I understand now what the world wants, what it NEEDS. The world needs people in charge, willing to put the animals DOWN!"


Oh yes. Loved that and All-Star superman, watched them both on the same weekend.

/and welcome to my DC Animated fans favorites list...
 
2014-04-21 01:35:57 PM  

Rwa2play: clkeagle: Except that nobody is complainibg about Henry Cavill's performance. He did a great job with the material he was given.

Just like Reeve did.

And, to be honest, Brandon Routh as well.  Not his fault "SR" was (at best) mediocre.


Superman Returns remains the only movie that I actually fell asleep in. It was just soooo boring.
 
2014-04-21 01:35:57 PM  
I enjoyed it, girlfriend hated it.
 
2014-04-21 01:36:05 PM  

Geoff Peterson: Man of Steel is a good flick, holds up with the others in this day and age, and has the proper tone. Haters are just regurgitating shiat they hear on the Internet. Like someone said above, I re watched it on HBO, and none of the usual criticisms of this movie really hold any weight....and especially DERP METROPOLIS one. To quote the girl (whatever her name was) "when you save one, we'll kill a million"

(or something close to that). so yeah....no...he had to fight in the city.


Except for Pa Kent dying in the most retarded way imaginable.
 
2014-04-21 01:39:30 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,

I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.

1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE?  I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?

2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.

3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.

All of these things take me out of the movie.


Pretty gawddamn much; it's one thing to ask people to have a level of disbelief when watching a movie and then completely do something stupid to throw that trust out the window.

And I say this as someone that's seen JL:U and continue to shake my head at the utter incompetence and retarded corporate mindset that the higher-ups at DC/WB continue to show.
 
2014-04-21 01:42:59 PM  

ToastmasterGeneral: Superman IV - Nuclear Man?  Nuclear Man.


No, not Nuclear Man...the scenes of him flying look like they should've been in the 70s.

Seriously, I took one look at that and said "WTF?!" out loud; whoever threatened Chris Reeve's career over him not being Superman for that movie should've been blackballed himself.
 
2014-04-21 01:44:24 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: You forgot the fact that the US Government is spending millions of dollars in trying to find out who Superman is when they have radar records of a Kryptonian ship landing in Smallville, more specifically at the Kent home. Military intelligence might be an oxymoron, but it's not that farking blind.

Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.

/[Fighting Darkseid] That man [Batman] won't quit so long as he can draw breath.  None of my teammates will. Me? I've got a  different problem.  [Punches Darkseid through the wall] I feel like I live in a world made of  cardboard.  Always taking care not to break something, to break someone.  Never allowing myself to lose control, even for a moment, or someone could die.  [Punches Darkseid again] But you can take it, can't you, big man? What we have here is a rare opportunity for me to  cut loose, and show you  just how powerful I really am.[Punches Darkseid across the city with a single blow]


All of this right farking here.  That final episode in JLU was light years better than MoS.  Light.  Years.  MoS wasn't fit to smell the shiat of that scene.
 
2014-04-21 01:47:20 PM  
Meh. It was ok. It just wasn't on the level of awesomeness that any of the Marvel Cinematic movies have been, and we were all hoping it would be.

Pa Kent sacrificing himself to a tornado was the major problem I had with the plot. Another Farker pointed out that the movie was about Clark Kent learning to be human and that Pa Kent sacrificing himself was a lesson he had to learn about not being able to save everyone (as a human). While that sounds... ok... it's still a stupid reason to let him die when he didn't have to.

And the music was typical droning Hans Zimmer boring stuff. He used to be great in the 90s (Broken Arrow was great). But now, meh. If only they had included John Williams theme in some form (even Superman Returns did that), because it felt like it was missing. Otherwise, it was ok. But mostly forgettable.
 
2014-04-21 01:47:50 PM  
For greatest Superman comic one-shot stories, look at Starman 75, and Hitman 34. Written from the prospective of reluctant heroes who idolize Superman.

img2.wikia.nocookie.net

http://www.shwiggie.com/hitman/hm-34/
 
2014-04-21 01:48:39 PM  

Stratohead: jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.

I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.


Yeah...I'm sorry but I can't buy MoS even being campy...and I want DC to succeed but good god almighty don't take a giant intellectual dump on your audience and expect people not to raise a stink about it.
 
2014-04-21 01:49:17 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Meh. It was ok. It just wasn't on the level of awesomeness that any of the Marvel Cinematic movies have been, and we were all hoping it would be.

Pa Kent sacrificing himself to a tornado was the major problem I had with the plot. Another Farker pointed out that the movie was about Clark Kent learning to be human and that Pa Kent sacrificing himself was a lesson he had to learn about not being able to save everyone (as a human). While that sounds... ok... it's still a stupid reason to let him die when he didn't have to.

And the music was typical droning Hans Zimmer boring stuff. He used to be great in the 90s (Broken Arrow was great). But now, meh. If only they had included John Williams theme in some form (even Superman Returns did that), because it felt like it was missing. Otherwise, it was ok. But mostly forgettable.


Another one I thought about was how stupid it was for Kal El to reveal exactly how to get over the sensory overload that the enemies were experiencing.

You have Zod, overwhelmed and writhing on the ground, and you tell him to FOCUS?! What a buffoon.
 
2014-04-21 01:50:12 PM  

RyansPrivates: scottydoesntknow: Superman vs. The Elite is another great one. He shows what would happen if he didn't care about collateral damage and goes full anti-hero./"I finally get it. Thank you... I made the mistake of treating you people like, people. Now, I understand better... I understand now what the world wants, what it NEEDS. The world needs people in charge, willing to put the animals DOWN!"

Oh yes. Loved that and All-Star superman, watched them both on the same weekend.

/and welcome to my DC Animated fans favorites list...


Those two features showed me that DCA "get it" and whoever's in charge of DCE doesn't get one fark of the characters.
 
2014-04-21 01:52:46 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Meh. It was ok. It just wasn't on the level of awesomeness that any of the Marvel Cinematic movies have been, and we were all hoping it would be.

Pa Kent sacrificing himself to a tornado was the major problem I had with the plot. Another Farker pointed out that the movie was about Clark Kent learning to be human and that Pa Kent sacrificing himself was a lesson he had to learn about not being able to save everyone (as a human). While that sounds... ok... it's still a stupid reason to let him die when he didn't have to.


All it takes is a simple change in the script:  Instead of Pa Kent telling his son not to do it, Clark should've been saving someone from a distance, the tornado takes an unexpected turn and veers right into the path of Pa, he can't escape and gets swept up.  By the time Clark realizes what's happened it's too late, gets Pa out...but he dies in Clark's arms.
 
2014-04-21 01:56:19 PM  

Rwa2play: ThatBillmanGuy: Meh. It was ok. It just wasn't on the level of awesomeness that any of the Marvel Cinematic movies have been, and we were all hoping it would be.

Pa Kent sacrificing himself to a tornado was the major problem I had with the plot. Another Farker pointed out that the movie was about Clark Kent learning to be human and that Pa Kent sacrificing himself was a lesson he had to learn about not being able to save everyone (as a human). While that sounds... ok... it's still a stupid reason to let him die when he didn't have to.

All it takes is a simple change in the script:  Instead of Pa Kent telling his son not to do it, Clark should've been saving someone from a distance, the tornado takes an unexpected turn and veers right into the path of Pa, he can't escape and gets swept up.  By the time Clark realizes what's happened it's too late, gets Pa out...but he dies in Clark's arms.


Yeah, that would fit better.
 
2014-04-21 01:57:14 PM  

Stratohead: jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.

I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.


The only thing moronic here is the over-analysis of a comic book action movie.

Get a life nerds, ffs.

*Then* maybe you'll stop expecting farking reality to be brought to you in a comic book movie.

You aren't peer reviewing a doctoral thesis. It's a movie about a guy in tights that flies and shoots laser beams from his head.


/old school super fan
//loved the old version and the new
///that one with Kevin Spacey was kinda suckage, but only because of lighting/atmosphere and being so muted and anticlimactic
 
2014-04-21 01:57:18 PM  
The problem w/ Man of Steel was there was no farking Clark Kent. It's Kal-El the space alien trying to figure out how to pretend to be a human. Chris Reeves was Clark Kent, a good mama's boy from Kansas who gets a crush on the fast talking big city reporter, who also happens to be able to fly and is invulnerable. Clark Kent is a more interesting character than Kal-El, period. Kal-El is boring, and weird, and emo, and doesn't enjoy his time around Lois, he's just constantly nervous about her safety.
 
2014-04-21 01:57:56 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Superman tried throwing Zod out into space, Zod fought his way back


Get farked. It was Superman who carried Zod away from a remote cornfield and into Smallville.
 
2014-04-21 01:58:43 PM  
www.shwiggie.com
 
2014-04-21 02:00:56 PM  
old movies are old.

new movies are awesome.
 
2014-04-21 02:08:09 PM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: [www.shwiggie.com image 490x762]


Wow, nice one.
 
2014-04-21 02:09:01 PM  

Rwa2play: Kangaroo_Ralph: [www.shwiggie.com image 490x762]

Wow, nice one.


That issue won an award.  You can read the whole thing here: http://www.shwiggie.com/hitman/hm-34/
 
2014-04-21 02:09:30 PM  
Zombie DJ: No it's Zach's because that end fight scene was laughable.
Even a farking satellite falls on the city because fighting wasn't enough.


This.  Soooo many scenes of buildings....planes....EVERYTHING being completely annihilated over and over again.  Tiresome.

And then when they finally send Zod's followers back into a black hole, Zod starts ranting about Kal-El destroyeing his soul, etc.  And I think "Good, he's working his way up to killing himself, right?"  Wrong!  So we get more farkin' scenes of buildings, etc. being completely annihilated, yadda ya culminating in Superman breaking Zod's neck and killing him!

Not right.  Just....not....right.

Superman has always been about Hope. Even MoS said it, but there was none.
If you lived on Earth when this Superman arrived, you'd just be sitting around waiting for him to destroy your city from a second hand villain.


THIS.

/BTW. Kevin Costner. Dumbest. Death scene. Ever.

THIS times a google.

The best characterization of Superman I've seen has been Bruce Timm's Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited.  There's nothing in The Man of Steel movie that has made me change my mind.
 
2014-04-21 02:16:03 PM  

browneye: The best characterization of Superman I've seen has been Bruce Timm's Superman: The Animated Series, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited.  There's nothing in The Man of Steel movie that has made me change my mind.


This.
 
2014-04-21 02:23:32 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Stratohead: jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.

I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.

The only thing moronic here is the over-analysis of a comic book action movie.

Get a life nerds, ffs.

*Then* maybe you'll stop expecting farking reality to be brought to you in a comic book movie.

You aren't peer reviewing a doctoral thesis. It's a movie about a guy in tights that flies and shoots laser beams from his head.


/old school super fan
//loved the old version and the new
///that one with Kevin Spacey was kinda suckage, but only because of lighting/atmosphere and being so muted and anticlimactic


Oh, "FFS." It's just a comic book movie. You aren't watching Citizen Kane.
 
2014-04-21 02:29:47 PM  
Although I do wonder how much of this is CG Henry Cavil, nevertheless, does look better without a shirt than any other Superman on film.

starcasm.net
 
2014-04-21 02:32:50 PM  
Whatever you think of Man of Steel, you have to admit that Kevin Costner's death scene was one of the most ridiculous, hilarious deaths ever filmed.

Singer's Superman flick was kinda goofy, but was an all around better movie.

Reeve all the way-the guy could act, and balanced the characteristics of human and hero perfectly.  Cavill can't act.


//couple years later the world knows who Superman is.
 
2014-04-21 02:34:32 PM  

browneye: Although I do wonder how much of this is CG Henry Cavil, nevertheless, does look better without a shirt than any other Superman on film.

[starcasm.net image 720x420]


Apparently that was all Cavil. People were so shocked at how jacked he got that some speculated he was roiding. He (and everyone else associated with it) vehemently denied that and said he just worked out like a monster.
 
2014-04-21 02:34:37 PM  
Rwa2play:

Except for Pa Kent dying in the most retarded way imaginable.

YES
 
2014-04-21 02:34:39 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Stratohead: jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.

I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.

The only thing moronic here is the over-analysis of a comic book action movie.

Get a life nerds, ffs.

*Then* maybe you'll stop expecting farking reality to be brought to you in a comic book movie.

You aren't peer reviewing a doctoral thesis. It's a movie about a guy in tights that flies and shoots laser beams from his head.


/old school super fan
//loved the old version and the new
///that one with Kevin Spacey was kinda suckage, but only because of lighting/atmosphere and being so muted and anticlimactic


What's funny is the movies everyone loses their minds gushing over(Avengers, Dark Knight) are also riddled with gaping plot holes.  The only thing more annoying than fanboi rage is selective fanboi rage.
 
2014-04-21 02:36:05 PM  

Flappyhead: MurphyMurphy: Stratohead: jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.

I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.

The only thing moronic here is the over-analysis of a comic book action movie.

Get a life nerds, ffs.

*Then* maybe you'll stop expecting farking reality to be brought to you in a comic book movie.

You aren't peer reviewing a doctoral thesis. It's a movie about a guy in tights that flies and shoots laser beams from his head.


/old school super fan
//loved the old version and the new
///that one with Kevin Spacey was kinda suckage, but only because of lighting/atmosphere and being so muted and anticlimactic

What's funny is the movies everyone loses their minds gushing over(Avengers, Dark Knight) are also riddled with gaping plot holes.  The only thing more annoying than fanboi rage is selective fanboi rage.


It's because the characters are better-the actors are better-and the writing is better.  People want good performances, and will forgive some plot holes, as long as there is a beginning and end.
 
2014-04-21 02:37:22 PM  
Nice way to deflect criticism of your movie. "It was his fault people didn't like it!" Zack Snyder is never going to improve as a storyteller with this attitude. He can't get much worse either so he's just going to stagnate and keep making the same old shiat. I can't stand this guy. It's made worse by the powers that be constantly throwing established IPs at him. Suckerpunch is his best movie simply because it didn't shiat on anyone else's creation.

MoS would have sucked whether it was Superman or an original character. It just wasn't a good movie. Flat characters, go-nowhere thematic elements, cheap, false emotionality, boring, monochrome, shakycam garbage.
 
2014-04-21 02:43:23 PM  

scottydoesntknow: browneye: Although I do wonder how much of this is CG Henry Cavil, nevertheless, does look better without a shirt than any other Superman on film.

[starcasm.net image 720x420]

Apparently that was all Cavil. People were so shocked at how jacked he got that some speculated he was roiding. He (and everyone else associated with it) vehemently denied that and said he just worked out like a monster.


Its in the special features of the bluray that for that one shot his body fat percentage was like 3.5% He had to work out like crazy for the entire movie but that one shot was some crazy shiat that had to be done to show he's a muscular guy. Zack rewarded him by giving a whole pizza after that.

I think the criticism's on Man Of steel are definitely warranted and it's been beaten to death what people hate and like about the movie. I enjoyed it and completely accept all its flaws, I wasn't very convinced about Pa Kent's motivations at all. I couldn't relate to anything he said or did. They could definitely have toned down the CG on the destruction. While the stunts and action was excellent it was overdone.


Even with that I enjoyed the rest of the movie. Also Man of steel was the best honest trailers video you'll ever see, I laugh every single time even though I love the movie and own it on bluray.
 
2014-04-21 02:58:59 PM  

noheadphones: Flappyhead: MurphyMurphy: Stratohead: jjorsett: I liked the Man of Steel movie better. I thought its plotline and character motivations were a lot more coherent than the original films.

I'm guessing you enjoy driving massively large trucks through Grand Canyon sized holes in much the same way this film plows through its enormous plot holes, the 7th fleet takes on your mom.


/Seriously..."Man of Steel" is moronic.

The only thing moronic here is the over-analysis of a comic book action movie.

Get a life nerds, ffs.

*Then* maybe you'll stop expecting farking reality to be brought to you in a comic book movie.

You aren't peer reviewing a doctoral thesis. It's a movie about a guy in tights that flies and shoots laser beams from his head.


/old school super fan
//loved the old version and the new
///that one with Kevin Spacey was kinda suckage, but only because of lighting/atmosphere and being so muted and anticlimactic

What's funny is the movies everyone loses their minds gushing over(Avengers, Dark Knight) are also riddled with gaping plot holes.  The only thing more annoying than fanboi rage is selective fanboi rage.

It's because the characters are better-the actors are better-and the writing is better.  People want good performances, and will forgive some plot holes, as long as there is a beginning and end.


pretty much THIS... they at least keep consistent within their own internal logic.  They don't introduce elements into the plot to justify some other nonsensical point, only to have either ignore it, or create and even more retarded rationalization ...  MoS starts out with a big hole...and just keeps digging deeper and deeper.

Nothing in MoS makes any sense under the barest of scrutiny using the alphabet the FILM gives us to read.
The planets dying...so lets waste one of the few ships we have left giving it to the convicted criminals...they are dangerous so be sure to give them weapons before we put them in the "phantom zone" that surely won't fail as soon as Krypton explodes...oops...they destroyed their planet build ships and "world engines" to make countless colonies on other planets...that exist solely to justify having a ship already on earth and the big "world engine" only to have an "act III"...but all the colonies conveniently just died out the second Krypton exploded? LOL WUT TF?  and let me get this straight... Zods only pissed at Superman because he was a "natural birth" and he is willing to kill all humanity because having asthma for a few years is to much of a hassle? You on some sort of timetable? where you got to be?  and most importantly of all... thank god Zod has to turn his ENTIRE farkING HEAD to aim his "heat vision".
 
2014-04-21 03:03:22 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Also, Zach Snyder needs to STFU. You want to see a Superman/Overpowered Villain fight in Metropolis done right? Watch the final episode of Justice league Unlimited, 'Destroyer', where Superman takes on Darkseid and its only a few thousand times better action and more dramatic than 'Man of Steel'.


They don't show that episode on TV anymore.....it ends with 'Part I'.... :(
 
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