Jim from Saint Paul: Mad_Radhu: There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script,I shall qualify my questions with the standard "No really, I liked the movie despite these things" defense.1. WHERE. ARE. ALL. THE. DEAD. PEOPLE? I mean they took down umpteen skyscrapers and there was ZERO collateral damage? Really?2. So Pa Kent is 20 feet from a tornado and isn;t being sucked off the ground? SURRRRRRRRRRRRE.3. That and the fact that there are plenty of OTHER scenes where no one is reacting to the CGI. Especiallty when Supes, Lois and the Army dude from Dollhouse™ are all meeting and all of the soliders have their guns trained on Supes. He liftsoff and ALL OF THEM JUST KEEP LOOKING FORWARD LIKE HE IS THERE for another 15 seconds.All of these things take me out of the movie.
scottydoesntknow: My biggest complaint was the stupid explanation for the 'S' on his chest. I know it was taken from some of the more modern comics, but that shiat doesn't mean 'Hope', It means Superman.
Dwight_Yeast: The problem isn't Chris Reeves. It's Superman: perfect heroes are boring as hell. Aeneas was boring, and his story is saved only by the gods farking with him.If you want an interesting (super)hero, you want someone flawed. Some one like Odysseus. Someone broken like Bruce Wayne.Captain America should be boring, too, but they did such a good job when they reintroduced him in the comics that he's much more a modern hero, a flawed hero, than Superman can ever be.
RyansPrivates: imfallen_angel: RyansPrivates: So if he doesn't what did he do at to Zod at the end of the theatrical release of Superman II?You mean the part where he strip them of their powers and have them picked up by the local authorities? (then flies off with Lois back to Metropolis where he wipes her memories)Not the emboldend piece. The theatrical release didn't have that tacked on PC to make palatable for TV. In the theatrical release they get thrown down a trench to (presumably) their deaths. And they are powerless at the time.
buntz: imfallen_angel: You mean the part where he strip them of their powers and have them picked up by the local authorities?wasn't in the theatrical release, therefore I don't accept it as "canon"In the movie WE saw, he threw them in a dark, possibly bottomless, pit.Unless we're too assume he has some mattresses down there
EyeballKid: Perhaps Snyder should put out a press release, tweet something, make some effort to tell everybody waiting for a Superman like the one they remember from the 80s, or even from the 90s sitcom, that the plotlines now are of headier substance than in the past. Nevertheless, those disenfranchised few should hold on, best they can, as I think Snyder will take their concerns for the franchise to concern, he hasn't dropped them, forgotten them, or anything. But, a storyline like that of the most recent film was too heavy, even for Superman to lift.
Dimensio: imfallen_angel: Superman's power are from the sun, not the air he breathes, etc.As I understand, recent DC Comics retcons have Kryptonian abilities being a result both of yellow sunlight exposure and the atmosphere of Earth.
imfallen_angel: Dimensio: imfallen_angel: Superman's power are from the sun, not the air he breathes, etc.As I understand, recent DC Comics retcons have Kryptonian abilities being a result both of yellow sunlight exposure and the atmosphere of Earth.Good thing that he didn't land in China then... he'd have super lung cancer by twelve.Well, at some point they need to stop with the retcons... seriously. if you need to reestablish the origins and rules or the heros over and over so to make it fit the new and epic fashion of the day, it's just terrible writing.Just kill the character off and create a new one already.
Dingleberry Dickwad: Confabulat: Man of Steel was a better Superman movie than any of the Reeve flicks. They are embarrassing to watch in 2014.Sorry, but no. Man of Steel was ok, but it failed to make me care about a single character in the movie. Pa Kent dies, meh. Ma Kent get's threatened, oh well. Lois's life is in danger, so what? Hell I found myself barely caring about Supes, much less anyone else in the flick. The characters just seemed flat to me.
snowshovel: Mad_Radhu: K3rmy: Christopher Reeve's Superman was cognizant enough to take the fight OUTSIDE OF THE CITY so that innocents did not get hurt while he was fighting Zod and his minions.Yeah, Zod and his minions were playing rope a dope with Superman all though the fight scenes. Keep in mind that although Superman is stronger than the Kryptonians, he was fighting seasoned soldiers bred for battle while he hadn't even thrown a punch against a person before due to this strength (as the movie reminded us of when they showed the scene of Clark getting bullied as a kid and holding back).Which is why the end fight scene at the end was so awful. The more talented fighter (Zod) should've have squashed the guy who had less-than-0% fighting experience at the point when Zod decides to not hold back any punches since the movie showed them to be pretty at equal strength at that time...regardless of all the mumbo-jumbo talk the movie said about Clark's 30 years of being on the planet. Or Zod should've been showing using that vast amount of military strategy to his advantage. Or something.Remember, that born-to-be-a-nebbish-scientist Ka-El almost beat Zod in a fist fight at the start of the movie. It's almost as if Snyder sets up an interesting world of idea, but then at some point he goes "It's cool punchy-kicky time! Let's throw away all of those awesome ideas!"Then again, Zod could just be a lousy fighter regardless of his genetic upbringing.I don't know, sure, Superman 2 is in a time capsule of when it was made, but resolution of how Superman beats Zod just feels a lot more interesting, where Superman realizes that Zod and himself really can't beat each other up to a win, so he uses his knowledge of people around him and finds a clever solution (by using Luthor's underhandedness). I kind of wish that that's the way MoS would've ended, with Clark using some bit of his 30 years of human knowledge to win the battle, instead of simply taking the easy story-telling way out of "I break your neck like a chicken bone."The weirdest part of MoS is how completely joyless and un-fun the movie is. For all of it's faults, Superman Returns has more fun and wonder in this 1:30 scene than the entire MoS movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtJ_VSQrW4Y//and yes, superman logo cellophane trap is stupid
llortcM_yllort: No, Man of Steel sucked because the script was terrible. I hear a lot of people defending Man of Steel from various criticisms, but I have never heard of a reason the movie was actually good. What did you like about Man of Steel, because I don't know of anything it did right./Seriously, who the fark thought turning the dad into a paranoid nutcase then killing him off in the dumbest way possible was a good idea?
buntz: Dwight_Yeast: Someone broken like Bruce WayneHate this argument too. Poor kid was an orphan. Lots of other superheroes have MUCH worse lives. Much worse childhoods. Sure it's devastating that he saw his parents killed. But c'mon..... is that justification for this whole life? He still grew up in the lap of luxury. Not like his parents were killed so he was forced to live on the streets and forced to turn into this Batman character.
Dwight_Yeast: I'm sure there's a term for that in linguistics.
Mad_Radhu: K3rmy: Christopher Reeve's Superman was cognizant enough to take the fight OUTSIDE OF THE CITY so that innocents did not get hurt while he was fighting Zod and his minions.Yeah, Zod and his minions were playing rope a dope with Superman all though the fight scenes. Keep in mind that although Superman is stronger than the Kryptonians, he was fighting seasoned soldiers bred for battle while he hadn't even thrown a punch against a person before due to this strength (as the movie reminded us of when they showed the scene of Clark getting bullied as a kid and holding back). The only time he really brought the fight to a city was when he lost his shiat when Zod threatened Martha and he hurled him into Smallville. All during the Metropolis fight, Superman was either on the other side of the world trying to disable the World Engine, or was struggling to gain any kind of control of the fight. It was an origin story, so a young and inexperienced Superman isn't going to quickly gain the upper hand.I rewatched it a couple of times recently on HBO and it really holds together well from a plotting standpoint. There's really not any major complaint that isn't covered in the script, aside from why the Kryptonians would bother changing the environment of Earth to be more like Krypton if it will make them weaker.
Hebalo: The sequence where Kal learns to fly had a lot of joy in it.
Owangotang: Pa Kent's unusual tone and thoughts are pretty much required for a Superman movie in the 21st century. He's a good man at his core, evidenced by his actions saving people during the tornado.
James Rieper: Frank Miller didn't make Superman go dark.How is Frank Miller able to grasp this point of character and Zack Snyder isn't? It's like it's opposite day.
Mid_mo_mad_man: Never has a headline been more accurate.
chewielouie: ToastmasterGeneral: Confabulat: Man of Steel was a better Superman movie than any of the Reeve flicks. They are embarrassing to watch in 2014.Yep.Good for nostalgia only.Yes, and Peter Jackson's King Kong was better than the 1933 version. You kids today, it takes more than splosions to make a good movie. Sorry, but Batman was 100% correct, "Man of Steel . . . was uninspiring."
Grungehamster: James Rieper: Frank Miller didn't make Superman go dark.How is Frank Miller able to grasp this point of character and Zack Snyder isn't? It's like it's opposite day.Screw Miller. Miller's Superman in The Dark Knight Returns is the ultimate example of someone treating Supes as the ultimate boy scout. Superman is treated as an unquestioning tool of those in power, the good little soldier who only decides not to kill Batman and instead pretend to fall for Batman's faked death because of their history and because Batman convinces him that he needs to question authority.Superman has never accepted laws or authorities who he feels are not acting on behalf of the people supposedly served by them and has killed when pushed to a point he feels it is necessary. Snyder's Superman is problematic at times, but Miller's caricature is much worse.
Mugato: Judging a 34 year old movie by its visuals is retarded.
ferretman: I liked it.....but then anything, even Superman III, would be better than the abortion that was 'Superman Returns'.
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Heron: hey were embarrassing to watch when they were made. Man of Steel was still terrible though; got's nothing to do with Reeve or the older movies. The writing was dumb; the philosophy was not just dumb and wrong but actively bad; the acting was wooden; and the attempt to make the Supes property "edgy", "angsty", and "dark" was unnecessary and frankly misses the entire point of the character. Changing Superman from an earnest, hardworking achiever deeply involved in his(adopted) community and with a heart so big he went into journalism so he could fight in print the injustices he can't legally punch to bits, into a Nietzschean loner demi-god detached from human society and sent purposely to awe humanity into submission undermines not only what makes Supes great and the message he was always written to convey, but also transforms his father from a far-sighted, lone moral voice against the excesses and arrogance of the Kyptonian elite into a mere proponent of their galaxy-wide outrages and chauvinistic racism by different means.Man of Steel just completely misses the point, repeatedly. The CG for the action sequences was pretty sweet though.
Fano: He's not the Superman of All-Star Superman or Justice League, so his argument is invalid.Paging PiptheTroll, noted Supermanologist to supesplain to the director.
Owangotang: Pa Kent's unusual tone and thoughts are pretty much required for a Superman movie in the 21st century. He's a good man at his core, evidenced by his actions saving people during the tornado. He does, however, place protecting his fallen alien son from the omnipresent government and a fearful world above all else. Consider his perspective on his life's events, he married Martha and they had no kids of their own. They find Kal and, as said in the movie, they expect the government to arrive and take him but no one ever did. No child of his own, but one is provided for he and Martha by the stars, and you think he wouldn't consider EVERY option possible to protect it?He raised Kal right. He never hid from Kal the truth that ultimately Kal would have to choose who to be. What is more solid, the untested "you must be good because I raised you to be good" philosophy of old or the development from early on in life of the notion that being good requires actively CHOOSING to be good?
mjones73: Antje Traue can kick my ass any day she wants.
thatguyoverthere70: Remember when Superman stole those clothes, and when he ruined that trucker's livelihood and destroyed his property in broad daylight without anyone noticing? I'm all for changing stuff around, getting dark, serious, real, flawed, ect.But the nerd in me draws the line at Pa Kent's advice.Pa Kent is never going to answer "maybe" to the question "Should Clark stand by and let innocent people die in order to protect his own self interests?"
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