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(ABC)   16 year old survives in wheel well of a flight from California to Maui and, aside from being an idiot, is completely fine   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 113
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2014-04-21 02:58:35 PM  
Good way to get yourself deaded (as Eccles the school boy from The Goon Show would put it).

A lot of Africans seeking work attempt to get into Europe by hiding in airplane wheel wells and a lot of them freeze or die from lack of oxygen. Occasionally they fall out in flight.

If you want to fly free on the outside of a plane you need Arctic class clothing and oxygen bottles and an oxygen mask, because the air up there is kind of raw and rare.
 
2014-04-21 03:11:42 PM  
Interesting, but from CNN so take that for what it's worth...

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The conditions can put stowaways in a virtual "hibernative" state, the FAA says.

Someone could slip into unconsciousness so that the body cools and "the central nervous system is preserved," said CNN aviation expert Michael Kay. Also, he said, "there could be a situation where inside the bay is warmer than the external air temperature and you wouldn't get the instantaneous freezing of the skin."

Still, "for somebody to survive multiple hours with that lack of oxygen and that cold is just miraculous," airline analyst Peter Forman told CNN affiliate KHON in Honolulu.

The boy's survival is "dumb luck mostly," says Dr. Kenneth Stahl, trauma surgeon at Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital. The temperature outside the airplane could have been as low as 75 or 80 degrees below zero, said Stahl, who is also a pilot. "Those are astronomically low temperatures to survive."

The boy was likely so cold that "he was essentially in a state of suspended animation," Stahl said. Being young likely worked in his favor, too. "No adult would have survived that," Stahl added.
 
2014-04-21 04:25:49 PM  
ucfknightryan:

iirc the cargo hold would be pressurized, so no.

One possibility, the article doesn't say how long they were at 38k feet.  Maybe they spent most of the flight at a more survivable altitude due to turbulence or something.


I'm not sure how it works for commercial planes, but I know that in the military, one of the things that breaks down all the time is the cabin pressurizer, and sometimes its cheaper/faster to fly the plane to the part than to ship the part over to fix the plane, so they just tell them to fly below 8000ft.
 
2014-04-21 05:29:08 PM  
Watched this story on the news earlier. The reporter stated the boy climbed up into the plane not knowing where it was headed. If I climbed into a plane that had a picture of a Hawaiian chick on the tail, and had "Hawaiian" in big bold letters across the fuselage, I'm guessing we're going to Hawaii.
 
2014-04-21 05:50:51 PM  

jankyboy: Watched this story on the news earlier. The reporter stated the boy climbed up into the plane not knowing where it was headed. If I climbed into a plane that had a picture of a Hawaiian chick on the tail, and had "Hawaiian" in big bold letters across the fuselage, I'm guessing we're going to Hawaii.


San Jose Airport has regular flights to both Honolulu and Maui, so he might have been able to figure out that the plane was headed to Hawaii, but not necessarily which of the islands.
 
2014-04-21 06:31:00 PM  

clear_prop: Daedalus27: I can understand the semi-coma state from the cold and lack of oxygen allowing him to somehow live being unlikely, but possible.  But how does he revive once they are preparing for landing and they lower the gear to land at Maui?  Assuming this isn't an elaborate hoax, a lot of freakish things had to go right for him to not only survive the flight, but survive the landing and rollout allowing him to get off the gear on the runway. Perhaps he should be kept in custody and studied/dissected to find out what makes him special.

If he was wedged in well, he could have been asleep until the plane was at the gate, and then slowly came to as his body got used to normal oxygen levels again.  There isn't a lot of space in a wheel well, but it is possible.


Daedalus27: I can understand the semi-coma state from the cold and lack of oxygen allowing him to somehow live being unlikely, but possible.  But how does he revive once they are preparing for landing and they lower the gear to land at Maui?  Assuming this isn't an elaborate hoax, a lot of freakish things had to go right for him to not only survive the flight, but survive the landing and rollout allowing him to get off the gear on the runway. Perhaps he should be kept in custody and studied/dissected to find out what makes him special.


susler: I think we're going to find out that it was a hoax.  I'm with the people who think it's a physical impossibility to survive at that low oxygen level and temperature.

If it's real, we should dissect the kid and find out what makes him tick.  It would be good for humanity both in terms of finding out his special power and removing him from the gene pool.

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2014-04-21 06:40:09 PM  
Forget all the pressure and heat issues.  I think he is pretty lucky to not have been pressed into hamburger as the gear stowed.  Is there a diagram posted in there on where to put your body to avoid turning the plane into a gigantic juicer?
 
2014-04-21 07:23:18 PM  

Deja_VooDoo: I think we just found the 2014 hide and seek grand champion.


No, that's Malaysia Air flight 370. This guy isn't even close.
 
2014-04-21 09:56:13 PM  
I don't think we've performed a many experiments involving adolescent human boys 5-6 miles above sea level that lasted several hours long, with the subjects losing consciousness.  If anything, there might have been test pilots and astronauts who were subjected to such extremes for short durations, but soon after they lost consciousness, someone would say, "Whoa! Let'shiat the red button!  We've spent a lot of money training that guy."

I'm not saying it's true, but it doesn't sound outrageous to me.
 
2014-04-21 10:02:21 PM  
Heh. "Performed many" and "Let us hit the red button!"
 
2014-04-21 10:32:34 PM  
And that boy, the one who survived in the wheel well, went on to become Hitler the Second!

/true story
 
2014-04-21 11:39:48 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: inglixthemad: As a pilot, of small aircraft, fark the TSA. I'll fly myself and not be subjected to the useless groping.

What type? In the RDU area the NOTAMs just got straight up absurd.


We have a Mooney Acclaim Type S. The doc has been talking of selling the Meridian (Piper - link is to the current model his is older) and building an Epic LT. At the same time he's said I should start building turboprop time and consider selling my share in the M20 to buy into the LT.

I don't know if I want to jump that far. My insurance rate would jump quite a bit because I have almost no turboprop time. Fortunately I have had my high altitude certification and IFR for a few years now. On the plus, the Epic would let me fly just about anywhere in a few hours. On the negative, the costs could push me out do flying as much as I like. Flipping the switch on the Mooney is a heck of a lot less per hour than the Epic.

I don't go ''Out East' much, but I can tell you if it's like border crossing: I feel for you. I fly to Canada (wife's from Ontario province) on a regular basis. Waiting for customs (and you can't open the door even if it's hot out) is a biatch. How close is Raleigh to the SFRA? I didn't go look at the NOTAMs, are they POTUS (et al.) related?
 
2014-04-22 12:09:29 PM  
This MUST be a lie. I was ASSURED you would be dead in 15 seconds at that altitude in the flight 370 thread.
 
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