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(ABC)   16 year old survives in wheel well of a flight from California to Maui and, aside from being an idiot, is completely fine   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 113
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2014-04-21 06:59:31 AM
Don't disturb my friend, he's dead tired.
 
2014-04-21 07:05:03 AM
a man who fell onto a suburban London street as a flight from Angola began its descent in 2012.

It's raining men. Can I get a hallelujah?
 
2014-04-21 07:31:10 AM
Great security there airports. If a 16-year-old can hop a fence and get on a plane what's to stop a terrorist from doing it? Answer: Nothing.

Meanwhile for the rest of us inside the airport......
"Sir, I'm gonna need to look inside your asshole"
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2014-04-21 07:43:20 AM
At this point he's earned it. At least let him visit Hollywood and Disneyworld before sending him home.
 
2014-04-21 07:44:50 AM

fusillade762: Don't disturb my friend, he's dead tired.


Done in one, which in this case is also an I.Q.
 
2014-04-21 07:45:45 AM
He didn't have his multipass did he?

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2014-04-21 07:51:32 AM
Seems like a great place to store kids during long flights. I like the setup, now I can drink in peace again.

/dnrtfa
 
2014-04-21 07:54:18 AM
Ok someone isn't telling us the whole story here. The article says the plane left Fresno Sunday morning. No way it took 5 1/2 hours but if it left at say 8am the kids would have lost 3 hours effectively going back in time and authorities could have called the authorities in Fresno alerting them to be on the lookout.
 
2014-04-21 07:55:40 AM
I'm wondering if that would be roomier for my 6'5" can't afford to fly first class self.
 
2014-04-21 07:55:45 AM
I hope someone explains to him that this is "3rd worlder with a death wish" behavior, and that many people have literaly died from this.   Now go ground him until he is 18 and then kick him out.
 
2014-04-21 07:56:20 AM

nickdaisy: At this point he's earned it. At least let him visit Hollywood and Disneyworld before sending him home.


                                        www.raw-milk-facts.com
 
2014-04-21 07:56:37 AM
Simon said security footage from the San Jose airport verified that the boy from Santa Clara, Calif., hopped a fence to get to Hawaiian Airlines Flight 45 on Sunday morning.

Hey, that's great. He was caught on camera and everything, but still able to play ding dong ditch with the landing gear.

Remind me again why the TSA won't let me bring a bottle of water on board or say hi to my friend Jack, loudly and from a distance?
 
2014-04-21 07:58:24 AM

Pontious Pilates: Simon said security footage from the San Jose airport verified that the boy from Santa Clara, Calif., hopped a fence to get to Hawaiian Airlines Flight 45 on Sunday morning.

Hey, that's great. He was caught on camera and everything, but still able to play ding dong ditch with the landing gear.

Remind me again why the TSA won't let me bring a bottle of water on board or say hi to my friend Jack, loudly and from a distance?


Because freedom, hippie!
 
Skr
2014-04-21 08:00:13 AM
wowie! It will be interesting to hear this kids story on how it was up there, once he collects his thoughts.
 
2014-04-21 08:02:18 AM

nickdaisy: At this point he's earned it. At least let him visit Hollywood and Disneyworld before sending him home.


Not only is he lucky to be alive, I'm actually surprised the TSA didn't go full derp and charge him with terrorism.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if his family gets a bill for the return trip, and medical exam.
 
2014-04-21 08:03:58 AM

jimmyjackfunk: Ok someone isn't telling us the whole story here. The article says the plane left Fresno Sunday morning. No way it took 5 1/2 hours but if it left at say 8am the kids would have lost 3 hours effectively going back in time and authorities could have called the authorities in Fresno alerting them to be on the lookout.


First of all, it doesn't seem like anyone knew he was a stow away until after they landed. Secondly, I'm pretty sure a flight from Fresno to Honolulu is just about exactly 5.5 hours.
 
2014-04-21 08:10:09 AM

Walker: Great security there airports. If a 16-year-old can hop a fence and get on a plane what's to stop a terrorist from doing it? Answer: Nothing.

Meanwhile for the rest of us inside the airport......
"Sir, I'm gonna need to look inside your asshole"
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Nobody could be so stupid as to believe that we aren't spending a disgusting amount on "homeland security" that is probably only marginally effective and that maybe we need to rethink this insanity.

FTA: "I have long been concerned about security at our airport perimeters. #Stowaway teen demonstrates vulnerabilities that need to be addressed," tweeted Rep. Eric Swalwell, a Democrat who represents the San Francisco Bay Area's eastern cities and suburbs. "

OH GODDAMN IT!
 
2014-04-21 08:10:09 AM
Wheel wells are pressurized?
 
2014-04-21 08:12:06 AM

strangeluck: nickdaisy: At this point he's earned it. At least let him visit Hollywood and Disneyworld before sending him home.

Not only is he lucky to be alive, I'm actually surprised the TSA didn't go full derp and charge him with terrorism.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if his family gets a bill for the return trip, and medical exam.


I'm just surprised the airline hasn't already sent his family a bill for the flight out.
 
2014-04-21 08:12:25 AM
Before 9/11 - if it were more than 3 hours I'd fly (lived near a major airport, where I was also taking flight lessons, which I gave up) If it is on this continent now I drive. It's actually much easier travel.
 
2014-04-21 08:13:55 AM
Just heard this story on local news radio, a medical expert said there was no possible way this kid could have survived the trip.

Is it possible there was a flash freeze effect? (For lack of a better term) where he was put into a type of coma?

/watches too much sci-fi
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-21 08:14:24 AM
I thought you were supposed to get high on 4/20.
 
2014-04-21 08:15:07 AM

strangeluck: Just heard this story on local news radio, a medical expert said there was no possible way this kid could have survived the trip.

Is it possible there was a flash freeze effect? (For lack of a better term) where he was put into a type of coma?

/watches too much sci-fi


It's not that there's no way, it's just extremely unlikely. He's lucky to have passed out just right and somehow not frozen.
 
2014-04-21 08:18:28 AM

dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?


They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.
 
2014-04-21 08:21:44 AM

dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?


No - they are not pressurized.
 
2014-04-21 08:25:01 AM
Not playing Simon says with that kid!
 
2014-04-21 08:27:35 AM
TSA is little more than a jobs program.  Instead of building bridges or parks, however, they get to violate our privacy and civil liberties.

Thanks Bush (and Obama and Congress)!
 
2014-04-21 08:32:24 AM

Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.


Yeah, this doesn't sound true.
 
2014-04-21 08:41:11 AM
WELL, WHEEL have to see how this all turns out for the kid.
 
2014-04-21 08:43:15 AM

Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.


Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'
 
2014-04-21 08:44:40 AM
Taking the story as written - can you imagine the noise, wind, and general "oh my God, oh my God" if he awoke on descent?
 
2014-04-21 08:51:03 AM
Imagine if this becomes the new "in" thing for teens to do, after planking and such. One did it so now everyone has to try it. Darwin will triumph, and maybe people will actually start to check airport perimeters more carefully.
 
2014-04-21 08:53:04 AM

** kids tougher than the haters here, funny**

 
2014-04-21 08:54:24 AM

devildog123: strangeluck: nickdaisy: At this point he's earned it. At least let him visit Hollywood and Disneyworld before sending him home.

Not only is he lucky to be alive, I'm actually surprised the TSA didn't go full derp and charge him with terrorism.

Although I wouldn't be surprised if his family gets a bill for the return trip, and medical exam.

I'm just surprised the airline hasn't already sent his family a bill for the flight out.


The family will sue the airport and airline for allowing it to happen.
 
2014-04-21 08:55:48 AM
Impressed:

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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-21 09:07:56 AM
The family will sue the airport and airline for allowing it to happen.

That happened after the boy from Atlanta fell on a Boston suburb. At last report, the family lost.  They lost under North Carolina law. California law may dictate a different conclusion.
 
2014-04-21 09:17:06 AM

ZAZ: The family will sue the airport and airline for allowing it to happen.

That happened after the boy from Atlanta fell on a Boston suburb. At last report, the family lost.  They lost under North Carolina law. California law may dictate a different conclusion.


I don't see how anyone would be liable for that kids death, it was his decision to climb up there.

Darwin wins again.
 
2014-04-21 09:20:14 AM
DAMN IT DARWIN! WHERE ARE YOU??
 
2014-04-21 09:22:23 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Before 9/11 - if it were more than 3 hours I'd fly (lived near a major airport, where I was also taking flight lessons, which I gave up) If it is on this continent now I drive. It's actually much easier travel.


As a pilot, of small aircraft, fark the TSA. I'll fly myself and not be subjected to the useless groping.
 
2014-04-21 09:25:13 AM

Skr: wowie! It will be interesting to hear this kids story on how it was up there, once he collects his thoughts.


You might want to rtfa...

"Doesn't even remember the flight," FBI spokesman Tom Simon in Honolulu told The Associated Press on Sunday night. "It's amazing he survived that."
 
2014-04-21 09:25:18 AM
I think we're going to find out that it was a hoax.  I'm with the people who think it's a physical impossibility to survive at that low oxygen level and temperature.

If it's real, we should dissect the kid and find out what makes him tick.  It would be good for humanity both in terms of finding out his special power and removing him from the gene pool.
 
2014-04-21 09:26:55 AM
BS.

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'


Several minutes in a lake vs 5.5 hours? Can you access the cargo hold from the wheel well?
 
2014-04-21 09:28:36 AM

dr_blasto: BS.

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'

Several minutes in a lake vs 5.5 hours? Can you access the cargo hold from the wheel well?


Also, a 7 to 20 lake vs -40 to -60 degree trip at an altitude around 38000 feet. I'm calling shenanigans.
 
2014-04-21 09:30:17 AM
I, too, call shenanigans. Wouldn't he at least have gotten frostbite and have lost some extremities?
 
2014-04-21 09:31:35 AM

Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.


SF to Fresno?  I doubt there would be a significant amount of time at an extreme altitude that would drop temps in the wheel well that low.  I'm having trouble working out the oxygen thing, but a ski suit could probably keep you from freezing.
 
2014-04-21 09:31:36 AM

theknuckler_33: jimmyjackfunk: Ok someone isn't telling us the whole story here. The article says the plane left Fresno Sunday morning. No way it took 5 1/2 hours but if it left at say 8am the kids would have lost 3 hours effectively going back in time and authorities could have called the authorities in Fresno alerting them to be on the lookout.

First of all, it doesn't seem like anyone knew he was a stow away until after they landed. Secondly, I'm pretty sure a flight from Fresno to Honolulu is just about exactly 5.5 hours.



Come on now.
 
2014-04-21 09:32:08 AM
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2014-04-21 09:36:58 AM

dr_blasto: BS.

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'

Several minutes in a lake vs 5.5 hours? Can you access the cargo hold from the wheel well?


iirc the cargo hold would be pressurized, so no.

One possibility, the article doesn't say how long they were at 38k feet.  Maybe they spent most of the flight at a more survivable altitude due to turbulence or something.
 
2014-04-21 09:37:17 AM

dr_blasto: BS.

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'

Several minutes in a lake vs 5.5 hours? Can you access the cargo hold from the wheel well?


The cargo hold isn't pressurized either, though might afford a bit more warmth than the wheel well.
 
2014-04-21 09:38:42 AM

ucfknightryan: dr_blasto: BS.

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'

Several minutes in a lake vs 5.5 hours? Can you access the cargo hold from the wheel well?

iirc the cargo hold would be pressurized, so no.

One possibility, the article doesn't say how long they were at 38k feet.  Maybe they spent most of the flight at a more survivable altitude due to turbulence or something.


They pressurize the cargo hold?
 
2014-04-21 09:40:26 AM
theknuckler_33:

First of all, it doesn't seem like anyone knew he was a stow away until after they landed. Secondly, I'm pretty sure a flight from Fresno to Honolulu is just about exactly 5.5 hours.

Please stop using these 3 words in this sequence.

Thank you.
 
2014-04-21 09:40:52 AM
5.5 hour trip with a cruising altitude of 38,000 feet.  I'll be generous and give the plane one hour to climb to 38,000 feet and one hour to descend from 38,000 feet.  (of course, the conditions at 31,000 feet or 27,000 feet aren't much better.)  That means he is at 38,000 feet for *only* 3.5 hours.

If you go straight from sea level to 38,000 feet in mere moments, like with a flight, you should be dead within 30 minutes due to lack of oxygen and acclimatization - even if the temperatures were not fatally cold, which they are at that height.
 
2014-04-21 09:43:13 AM

inglixthemad: I'll fly myself and not be subjected to the useless groping.


Where's the fun in that?
 
2014-04-21 09:43:45 AM

mike_d85: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

SF to Fresno?  I doubt there would be a significant amount of time at an extreme altitude that would drop temps in the wheel well that low.  I'm having trouble working out the oxygen thing, but a ski suit could probably keep you from freezing.


Someone didn't RTFA, SF to Kahului, not Fresno.
 
2014-04-21 09:44:17 AM
Way to go, tax dollars. There's no farking excuse for this being able to happen.
 
2014-04-21 09:45:41 AM

mike_d85: The cargo hold isn't pressurized either, though might afford a bit more warmth than the wheel well.


Yes it is.  Otherwise any liquid, gel, or household pet would freeze at altitude.
 
2014-04-21 09:45:45 AM

mike_d85: ucfknightryan: dr_blasto: BS.

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'

Several minutes in a lake vs 5.5 hours? Can you access the cargo hold from the wheel well?

iirc the cargo hold would be pressurized, so no.

One possibility, the article doesn't say how long they were at 38k feet.  Maybe they spent most of the flight at a more survivable altitude due to turbulence or something.

They pressurize the cargo hold?


I believe so, since there are at least three accidents that I'm aware of that involve explosive decompression after a cargo hold door failed.
 
2014-04-21 09:48:37 AM
I think we just found the 2014 hide and seek grand champion.
 
2014-04-21 09:49:13 AM
We found DB Cooper!
 
2014-04-21 09:53:46 AM

MooseBayou: theknuckler_33:

First of all, it doesn't seem like anyone knew he was a stow away until after they landed. Secondly, I'm pretty sure a flight from Fresno to Honolulu is just about exactly 5.5 hours.

Please, stop using these 3 words in this sequence.

Thank you.


/Goatse
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-04-21 09:56:06 AM
My recollection is the cargo hold is pressurized, but not heated. The cabin floor can not hold pressure. It's a lot easier to pressurize a cylinder than a half cylinder. A pressurized cylinder is in tension. A pressurized plate (cabin floor) has a strong bending and shear force.

For comparison, a standard design load for a building floor is 100 pounds per square foot. The cabin floor would have to support about 800 pounds per square foot if the space below were not pressurized.
 
2014-04-21 10:06:21 AM

mike_d85: SF to Fresno?


Congrats, you managed to get both airports wrong.

WTF is up with people getting Fresno in this story?!? Flight originated in Silicon Valley, not Meth Valley, and went to Maui,
 
2014-04-21 10:11:51 AM

inglixthemad: WhoopAssWayne: Before 9/11 - if it were more than 3 hours I'd fly (lived near a major airport, where I was also taking flight lessons, which I gave up) If it is on this continent now I drive. It's actually much easier travel.

As a pilot, of small aircraft, fark the TSA. I'll fly myself and not be subjected to the useless groping.


That introduces a whole lot of new logistical problems that most of us don't have a technique for dealing with, but I agree with your sentiment.
 
2014-04-21 10:15:26 AM

mike_d85: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

SF to Fresno?  I doubt there would be a significant amount of time at an extreme altitude that would drop temps in the wheel well that low.  I'm having trouble working out the oxygen thing, but a ski suit could probably keep you from freezing.


The headline says "California to Maui". That would be hours and hours at cruise altitude. More than 2,000 miles, and against the prevailing winds.
 
2014-04-21 10:15:34 AM

ucfknightryan:
Someone didn't RTFA, SF to Kahului, not Fresno.

Nope, saw a blurb this morning and didn't bother.

MisterRonbo: Congrats, you managed to get both airports wrong.

WTF is up with people getting Fresno in this story?!? Flight originated in Silicon Valley, not Meth Valley, and went to Maui,


Fresno has meth?  I thought it had scrappy Asian prisoners of war.
 
2014-04-21 10:15:46 AM

FLMountainMan: MooseBayou: theknuckler_33:

First of all, it doesn't seem like anyone knew he was a stow away until after they landed. Secondly, I'm pretty sure a flight from Fresno to Honolulu is just about exactly 5.5 hours.

Please, stop using these 3 words in this sequence.

Thank you.

/Goatse


/tub girl
 
2014-04-21 10:21:19 AM
No, wheel wells are not pressurized.

Yes, cargo compartments are pressurized. And heated.

No, there is no access between wheel wells and cargo compartments.

Carry on.
 
2014-04-21 10:23:44 AM
If Little Johnny Runaway's wheel well trick results in me getting probed by some TSA hamfist determined to make sure I'm not smuggling hobbits up my ass, I'm going to find him and beat him.
 
2014-04-21 10:24:44 AM

inglixthemad: As a pilot, of small aircraft, fark the TSA. I'll fly myself and not be subjected to the useless groping.


What type? In the RDU area the NOTAMs just got straight up absurd.
 
2014-04-21 10:31:00 AM

subfactorial: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

Right. About the only explanation that I can think of is that the cold essentially put him in a coma for the duration with such drastically reduced metabolic function that the little oxygen up there was enough. Similar to those people pulled out of frozen lakes after 30m and survive.

Basically another take on 'You're not dead until you're warm and dead.'


There is such a thing called the mammalian dive reflex that allows people to survive incidents of being submerged in cold water for long periods of time.  Basically, the body shuts. down. everything (that it doesn't need to survive) automatically once submerged.  Last I heard, medical experts thought the survivability time was about a hour and, perhaps a little longer, provided they received aggressive medical treatment upon recovery.  But that's the thing - you need to be revived.  I cannot recall ever hearing of a case where the victim reawakened on their own.

It's interesting what the human body can endure under certain circumstances.  Experts say some things are impossible, yet, here we are.
 
2014-04-21 10:34:31 AM

Oblio13: No, wheel wells are not pressurized.

Yes, cargo compartments are pressurized. And heated.

No, there is no access between wheel wells and cargo compartments.

Carry on.


Yeah, but then you're lugging your bag through the aisles.
 
2014-04-21 10:47:55 AM

ucfknightryan: Someone didn't RTFA, SF  San Jose   to Kahului, not Fresno.



Norm Mineta airport in San Jose, not SFO in Burlingame.
 
2014-04-21 10:53:17 AM

MisterRonbo: ucfknightryan: Someone didn't RTFA, SF  San Jose   to Kahului, not Fresno.


Norm Mineta airport in San Jose, not SFO in Burlingame.


I am aware of that, he just seemed confused enough without bringing multiple airports in the same metro area into the discussion.
 
2014-04-21 10:58:12 AM
There was a story of a pilot that got sucked out of an airplane when the windshield blew out. The crew had to hold onto his legs while the top half of his body was on the outside of the plane. He survived that with only a few bruises. Still, the idea that someone could survive in a wheel well for 5 1/2 hours seems implausible to me.
 
2014-04-21 11:16:39 AM

vingamm: DAMN IT DARWIN! WHERE ARE YOU??


Probably off getting stoned on 4/20.
 
2014-04-21 11:24:23 AM
World's most elaborate lookalike prank?
 
2014-04-21 11:32:20 AM

Road Rash: Imagine if this becomes the new "in" thing for teens to do, after planking and such. One did it so now everyone has to try it. Darwin will triumph, and maybe people will actually start to check airport perimeters more carefully.


Came here to post this. After the terrorist tweets thing, is this going to be the new "in" for teens? It actually wouldn't surprise me if we start hearing more reports of kids trying to sneak onto airport tarmacs.
 
2014-04-21 11:37:27 AM

Pontious Pilates: Simon said security footage from the San Jose airport verified that the boy from Santa Clara, Calif., hopped a fence to get to Hawaiian Airlines Flight 45 on Sunday morning.

Hey, that's great. He was caught on camera and everything, but still able to play ding dong ditch with the landing gear.

Remind me again why the TSA won't let me bring a bottle of water on board or say hi to my friend Jack, loudly and from a distance?


So much THIS!

If security is really that lax, it's a friggin wonder that terrorists haven't simply walkd up to a plane, lodged a bomb in the landing gear, and walked away.
 
2014-04-21 11:47:43 AM

HillshirefarmsGOMEAT: There was a story of a pilot that got sucked out of an airplane when the windshield blew out. The crew had to hold onto his legs while the top half of his body was on the outside of the plane. He survived that with only a few bruises. Still, the idea that someone could survive in a wheel well for 5 1/2 hours seems implausible to me.


Keep in mind that the window out required them to make a rapid descent to 10,000 feet so the passengers could breath so he didn't spend that much time at extreme altitude.
 
Skr
2014-04-21 11:57:19 AM

danielscissorhands: Skr: wowie! It will be interesting to hear this kids story on how it was up there, once he collects his thoughts.

You might want to rtfa...

"Doesn't even remember the flight," FBI spokesman Tom Simon in Honolulu told The Associated Press on Sunday night. "It's amazing he survived that."


Oh I read that, I just don't believe it =)
 
2014-04-21 12:00:26 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: a man who fell onto a suburban London street as a flight from Angola began its descent in 2012.

It's raining men. Can I get a hallelujah?



And we're done here
 
2014-04-21 12:02:34 PM
He thinks he's in trouble now. Just wait till his parents get the bill for the plane ride.
 
2014-04-21 12:08:04 PM

stuffy: He thinks he's in trouble now. Just wait till his parents get the bill for the plane ride.


Yeah, but he really wasn't taking up a seat, so...  I dunno, half-price?
 
2014-04-21 12:58:38 PM
Re: cargo holds... isn't that where pets go, so aren't they heated and pressurized, or do they have a special heated area for pets separate from the hold?

Seems unpossible that he could have survived at normal cruising altitude. Crazy! And yes, I bet his family sues the shiat out of the airline (and hopefully they will lose).
 
2014-04-21 01:13:00 PM

Skr: danielscissorhands: Skr: wowie! It will be interesting to hear this kids story on how it was up there, once he collects his thoughts.

You might want to rtfa...

"Doesn't even remember the flight," FBI spokesman Tom Simon in Honolulu told The Associated Press on Sunday night. "It's amazing he survived that."

Oh I read that, I just don't believe it =)


I believe it. He was probably unconscious for most of it. But he might have remembered some of it.
 
2014-04-21 01:24:42 PM

danielscissorhands: Skr: danielscissorhands: Skr: wowie! It will be interesting to hear this kids story on how it was up there, once he collects his thoughts.

You might want to rtfa...

"Doesn't even remember the flight," FBI spokesman Tom Simon in Honolulu told The Associated Press on Sunday night. "It's amazing he survived that."

Oh I read that, I just don't believe it =)

I believe it. He was probably unconscious for most of it. But he might have remembered some of it.


I would guess that most of what he would remember would be a feeling of impending doom as the temperature dropped and it got harder to breathe.
 
2014-04-21 01:27:03 PM

Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.


I wonder if it's similar to some of the "miracle" stories of surviving hypothermia?  I.e. the kid's core temp went down just right and so he was in a state of very slow barely biologically functioning, thus not requiring much oxygen?  There's been some cases of younger kids drowning in frozen lakes and being revived 45 minutes later, similar principle.  And with death from exposure/hypothermia, the rule is they don't pronounce anyone dead until they're warmed up and STILL have no heartbeat.

But yeah, that is some crazy odds.

lifeboat: There is such a thing called the mammalian dive reflex that allows people to survive incidents of being submerged in cold water for long periods of time.  Basically, the body shuts. down. everything (that it doesn't need to survive) automatically once submerged.  Last I heard, medical experts thought the survivability time was about a hour and, perhaps a little longer, provided they received aggressive medical treatment upon recovery.  But that's the thing - you need to be revived.  I cannot recall ever hearing of a case where the victim reawakened on their own.


Indeed - the kid woke up by himself?

People claiming it's a hoax would need to give another explanation for all this (if he actually was inside the plane without paying probably that would be a bigger concern for the TSA) but... yeah, kid is on the ground in Hawaii, and on the security camera in California, so he travelled SOMEHOW.

Crazy story.
 
2014-04-21 01:28:05 PM

anfrind: I would guess that most of what he would remember would be a feeling of impending doom as the temperature dropped and it got harder to breathe.


Probably had the "oh shiat I'm going to actually DIE this was a very very very very bad idea..." thought before passing out.
 
2014-04-21 01:28:51 PM
I miss military transport. Wish I could still do it. Say, $100 anywhere in the US one way. No seats, no reading lights, no air waitress, no interior comforts. Just walk on the unfinished interior of an aircraft with your luggage. A crew member lashes all the bags down to the floor someplace while you find a place to sit on a mesh bench and put earplugs in.

It's really loud, so nobody tries to talk to you. No hustle and bustle of bags going in and out of the overhead. No waking people up when you step over them to take a piss  - just take a nap and wake up where you want to be. Less illness, everything is metal and nylon, so they can just pressure wash to clean, (the carpet and fabric in commercial is, well, nasty.) Plus, you can stretch your legs all the way out, or even lay flat out if the passenger load is light.

Know how when the plane arrives and people are crowded in the aisle and hunch up under the overhead, with everyone frustrated? Don't get that with cargo flights. You can stand up and walk around. No waiting at baggage for the belt to start - pick your stuff up and go.

It's ironic that you go to the airport, get in a Q to check bags, then go through security and sit on hard benches for an hour or two, just to sit on an uncomfortable, but stylish, aircraft seat to be served crap food by someone burned out by routine.

Hell, I'd fly the wheel well for $25 - just give me a jumpsuit and oxygen mask.
 
2014-04-21 01:37:12 PM
FYI - from anotther news site - "A total of 105 people are known to have attempted to fly inside wheel wells on 94 flights worldwide, the FAA's Civil Aerospace Medical Institute says. Of those, 25 made it through, including a 9-year-old child -- a survival rate of 24%. One of the flights went as high as 39,000 feet."

So it is do able, lousy odds though. You'd have to be Stupid or Desperate or Both.
 
2014-04-21 01:39:52 PM

itazurakko: Oblio13: dinch: Wheel wells are pressurized?

They're not, and i'm having a hard time believing this, too. Several hours with temps of probably 40 below, and essentially no oxygen.

I wonder if it's similar to some of the "miracle" stories of surviving hypothermia?  I.e. the kid's core temp went down just right and so he was in a state of very slow barely biologically functioning, thus not requiring much oxygen?  There's been some cases of younger kids drowning in frozen lakes and being revived 45 minutes later, similar principle.  And with death from exposure/hypothermia, the rule is they don't pronounce anyone dead until they're warmed up and STILL have no heartbeat.

But yeah, that is some crazy odds.

lifeboat: There is such a thing called the mammalian dive reflex that allows people to survive incidents of being submerged in cold water for long periods of time.  Basically, the body shuts. down. everything (that it doesn't need to survive) automatically once submerged.  Last I heard, medical experts thought the survivability time was about a hour and, perhaps a little longer, provided they received aggressive medical treatment upon recovery.  But that's the thing - you need to be revived.  I cannot recall ever hearing of a case where the victim reawakened on their own.

Indeed - the kid woke up by himself?

People claiming it's a hoax would need to give another explanation for all this (if he actually was inside the plane without paying probably that would be a bigger concern for the TSA) but... yeah, kid is on the ground in Hawaii, and on the security camera in California, so he travelled SOMEHOW.

Crazy story.


People have survived it before. So, it's not impossible that he survived it.
 
2014-04-21 02:17:15 PM
I can understand the semi-coma state from the cold and lack of oxygen allowing him to somehow live being unlikely, but possible.  But how does he revive once they are preparing for landing and they lower the gear to land at Maui?  Assuming this isn't an elaborate hoax, a lot of freakish things had to go right for him to not only survive the flight, but survive the landing and rollout allowing him to get off the gear on the runway. Perhaps he should be kept in custody and studied/dissected to find out what makes him special.
 
2014-04-21 02:18:14 PM

Maul555: I hope someone explains to him that this is "3rd worlder with a death wish" behavior, and that many people have literaly died from this.   Now go ground him until he is 18 and then kick him out.


He was trying to escape the third world hell hole known as 'California'.

/submitted this with a better headline
 
2014-04-21 02:23:04 PM

Daedalus27: I can understand the semi-coma state from the cold and lack of oxygen allowing him to somehow live being unlikely, but possible.  But how does he revive once they are preparing for landing and they lower the gear to land at Maui?  Assuming this isn't an elaborate hoax, a lot of freakish things had to go right for him to not only survive the flight, but survive the landing and rollout allowing him to get off the gear on the runway. Perhaps he should be kept in custody and studied/dissected to find out what makes him special.


If he was wedged in well, he could have been asleep until the plane was at the gate, and then slowly came to as his body got used to normal oxygen levels again.  There isn't a lot of space in a wheel well, but it is possible.
 
2014-04-21 02:28:00 PM
I liked pinball
 
2014-04-21 02:34:57 PM
Google "Fidel Maruhi".
 
2014-04-21 02:38:33 PM
This thread was finished before it even took off.

/let off some steam
 
2014-04-21 02:42:05 PM

AngryDragon: Walker: Great security there airports. If a 16-year-old can hop a fence and get on a plane what's to stop a terrorist from doing it? Answer: Nothing.

Meanwhile for the rest of us inside the airport......
"Sir, I'm gonna need to look inside your asshole"
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Nobody could be so stupid as to believe that we aren't spending a disgusting amount on "homeland security" that is probably only marginally effective and that maybe we need to rethink this insanity.

FTA: "I have long been concerned about security at our airport perimeters. #Stowaway teen demonstrates vulnerabilities that need to be addressed," tweeted Rep. Eric Swalwell, a Democrat who represents the San Francisco Bay Area's eastern cities and suburbs. "

OH GODDAMN IT!


Uh, the reason is because the majority of the 300 million people in this country would not fly on air planes if they just accepted the risk of terrorism or death on an aircraft.  The TSA was literally started to provide the flying public with the reassurance that flying is safe, even if it is only the public appearance of safety. 

Remember after 9/11 when most of the national airlines were headed towards bankruptcy because the flying population dropped significantly in response to threat of terror in the skies? Yeah, well, welcome to how you keep businesses in business. 

People don't want to accept that everyday, they could be nuked from orbit by some ex-CCCP general that sold some spare bomb parts to Habib in Pakistan.  They would just rather pretend and/or ignore those threats while driving in a car that is, statistically far less safe, than an aircraft.

TL;DR verion - people are pants-wettingly scared of anything that goes "boo" and will do anything for the reassurance that noise-cancelling headphones offer.
 
2014-04-21 02:42:08 PM
I just had a thought...   if the planes wheels where sitting in the sun for a while before takeoff, they might retain enough heat to stop him from freezing to death...   But that is a lot of hours...
 
2014-04-21 02:58:12 PM

Maul555: I just had a thought...   if the planes wheels where sitting in the sun for a while before takeoff, they might retain enough heat to stop him from freezing to death...   But that is a lot of hours.


Any kind of "stored" heat would go away pretty quickly at 38,000 feet where temps are usually -75F and going ~500 knots for 5.5 hours.

Kid will face charges if the TSA takes a lot of heat for this.  Parents better hope that Britney flashes her hoo-ha again to distract the general public.
 
2014-04-21 02:58:35 PM
Good way to get yourself deaded (as Eccles the school boy from The Goon Show would put it).

A lot of Africans seeking work attempt to get into Europe by hiding in airplane wheel wells and a lot of them freeze or die from lack of oxygen. Occasionally they fall out in flight.

If you want to fly free on the outside of a plane you need Arctic class clothing and oxygen bottles and an oxygen mask, because the air up there is kind of raw and rare.
 
2014-04-21 03:11:42 PM
Interesting, but from CNN so take that for what it's worth...

--------------------------------------

The conditions can put stowaways in a virtual "hibernative" state, the FAA says.

Someone could slip into unconsciousness so that the body cools and "the central nervous system is preserved," said CNN aviation expert Michael Kay. Also, he said, "there could be a situation where inside the bay is warmer than the external air temperature and you wouldn't get the instantaneous freezing of the skin."

Still, "for somebody to survive multiple hours with that lack of oxygen and that cold is just miraculous," airline analyst Peter Forman told CNN affiliate KHON in Honolulu.

The boy's survival is "dumb luck mostly," says Dr. Kenneth Stahl, trauma surgeon at Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital. The temperature outside the airplane could have been as low as 75 or 80 degrees below zero, said Stahl, who is also a pilot. "Those are astronomically low temperatures to survive."

The boy was likely so cold that "he was essentially in a state of suspended animation," Stahl said. Being young likely worked in his favor, too. "No adult would have survived that," Stahl added.
 
2014-04-21 04:25:49 PM
ucfknightryan:

iirc the cargo hold would be pressurized, so no.

One possibility, the article doesn't say how long they were at 38k feet.  Maybe they spent most of the flight at a more survivable altitude due to turbulence or something.


I'm not sure how it works for commercial planes, but I know that in the military, one of the things that breaks down all the time is the cabin pressurizer, and sometimes its cheaper/faster to fly the plane to the part than to ship the part over to fix the plane, so they just tell them to fly below 8000ft.
 
2014-04-21 05:29:08 PM
Watched this story on the news earlier. The reporter stated the boy climbed up into the plane not knowing where it was headed. If I climbed into a plane that had a picture of a Hawaiian chick on the tail, and had "Hawaiian" in big bold letters across the fuselage, I'm guessing we're going to Hawaii.
 
2014-04-21 05:50:51 PM

jankyboy: Watched this story on the news earlier. The reporter stated the boy climbed up into the plane not knowing where it was headed. If I climbed into a plane that had a picture of a Hawaiian chick on the tail, and had "Hawaiian" in big bold letters across the fuselage, I'm guessing we're going to Hawaii.


San Jose Airport has regular flights to both Honolulu and Maui, so he might have been able to figure out that the plane was headed to Hawaii, but not necessarily which of the islands.
 
2014-04-21 06:31:00 PM

clear_prop: Daedalus27: I can understand the semi-coma state from the cold and lack of oxygen allowing him to somehow live being unlikely, but possible.  But how does he revive once they are preparing for landing and they lower the gear to land at Maui?  Assuming this isn't an elaborate hoax, a lot of freakish things had to go right for him to not only survive the flight, but survive the landing and rollout allowing him to get off the gear on the runway. Perhaps he should be kept in custody and studied/dissected to find out what makes him special.

If he was wedged in well, he could have been asleep until the plane was at the gate, and then slowly came to as his body got used to normal oxygen levels again.  There isn't a lot of space in a wheel well, but it is possible.


Daedalus27: I can understand the semi-coma state from the cold and lack of oxygen allowing him to somehow live being unlikely, but possible.  But how does he revive once they are preparing for landing and they lower the gear to land at Maui?  Assuming this isn't an elaborate hoax, a lot of freakish things had to go right for him to not only survive the flight, but survive the landing and rollout allowing him to get off the gear on the runway. Perhaps he should be kept in custody and studied/dissected to find out what makes him special.


susler: I think we're going to find out that it was a hoax.  I'm with the people who think it's a physical impossibility to survive at that low oxygen level and temperature.

If it's real, we should dissect the kid and find out what makes him tick.  It would be good for humanity both in terms of finding out his special power and removing him from the gene pool.

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2014-04-21 06:40:09 PM
Forget all the pressure and heat issues.  I think he is pretty lucky to not have been pressed into hamburger as the gear stowed.  Is there a diagram posted in there on where to put your body to avoid turning the plane into a gigantic juicer?
 
2014-04-21 07:23:18 PM

Deja_VooDoo: I think we just found the 2014 hide and seek grand champion.


No, that's Malaysia Air flight 370. This guy isn't even close.
 
2014-04-21 09:56:13 PM
I don't think we've performed a many experiments involving adolescent human boys 5-6 miles above sea level that lasted several hours long, with the subjects losing consciousness.  If anything, there might have been test pilots and astronauts who were subjected to such extremes for short durations, but soon after they lost consciousness, someone would say, "Whoa! Let'shiat the red button!  We've spent a lot of money training that guy."

I'm not saying it's true, but it doesn't sound outrageous to me.
 
2014-04-21 10:02:21 PM
Heh. "Performed many" and "Let us hit the red button!"
 
2014-04-21 10:32:34 PM
And that boy, the one who survived in the wheel well, went on to become Hitler the Second!

/true story
 
2014-04-21 11:39:48 PM

WhoopAssWayne: inglixthemad: As a pilot, of small aircraft, fark the TSA. I'll fly myself and not be subjected to the useless groping.

What type? In the RDU area the NOTAMs just got straight up absurd.


We have a Mooney Acclaim Type S. The doc has been talking of selling the Meridian (Piper - link is to the current model his is older) and building an Epic LT. At the same time he's said I should start building turboprop time and consider selling my share in the M20 to buy into the LT.

I don't know if I want to jump that far. My insurance rate would jump quite a bit because I have almost no turboprop time. Fortunately I have had my high altitude certification and IFR for a few years now. On the plus, the Epic would let me fly just about anywhere in a few hours. On the negative, the costs could push me out do flying as much as I like. Flipping the switch on the Mooney is a heck of a lot less per hour than the Epic.

I don't go ''Out East' much, but I can tell you if it's like border crossing: I feel for you. I fly to Canada (wife's from Ontario province) on a regular basis. Waiting for customs (and you can't open the door even if it's hot out) is a biatch. How close is Raleigh to the SFRA? I didn't go look at the NOTAMs, are they POTUS (et al.) related?
 
2014-04-22 12:09:29 PM
This MUST be a lie. I was ASSURED you would be dead in 15 seconds at that altitude in the flight 370 thread.
 
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