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(Chicago Trib)   Easter weekend in Chicago sees 26 wounded and 9 dead   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 27
    More: Followup, Chicago, Mount Sinai Hospital, 25th Street, Holy Cross Hospital, Erik Estrada, Chicago Police Department, shootings, Englewood  
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2014-04-20 11:55:40 PM  
3 votes:
Just so I have the argument correct...  When 9 people are killed and 26 wounded in a mass shooting in a red state: "Can we FINALLY address the problems with too many guns?"  But when it happens over the course of a weekend in a blue state: "Meh."
2014-04-20 11:23:04 PM  
3 votes:
and I would like to point out that this is what results when big cities are run exclusively by democrats for 40 years or more.
2014-04-21 08:50:31 AM  
2 votes:

orbister: Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.


Puerto Rico also has a strict gun law, but the murder rate is astronomical. Same is true in Jamaica, Mexico, and a number of other top contenders on the per-capita list.  The US mainland murder rate is upticked by areas which also happen to have gun restrictions.You can own guns in Canada, and it barely scored above the UK. Switzerland came in lower, and they make you take a military grade machine gun home.

So what gives?


I think it would be more accurate to say that it isn't gun control that brings about the big changes. There's alot more to do with the economy, the culture, immigration rates, educational levels, how much gets spent on infrastructure, the local police, corruption in government, nearby warzones, and so on...

So you take the UK which has high education, a strong police force, lots of money to go around and well kept streets in a relatively well to do part of the world.  Oddly enough (like Canada, Switzerland, and other first world areas) the crime rate is low.
You go to the South America and the rates are high.  The economies generally suck, education is poor, there's lots of corruption and the few cops you have can't even access half of their patrol area in a timely fashion.

The problem is that our politicians see the UK's gun control model and get stuck on its stupidity.  Not realizing that you could sprinkle guns all over England and the crime rate wouldn't change.
Then they come to the voters here and, like a bad mechanic, offer to refill the headlight fluid to get rid of that knocking noise in our engine.
Then we waste our time trying to figure out why its not working. Not realizing that you'd have gotten more of a crime reduction by fixing a few roads and properly staffing the schools.
2014-04-20 08:52:38 PM  
2 votes:
So...Sunday in Chicago.
2014-04-21 02:07:55 AM  
1 votes:

doomjesse: I'd love to see a comparison of number of deaths in Chicago on given weekend compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Rio de Janeiro.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
2014-04-21 01:35:37 AM  
1 votes:

Top Geezer: violentsalvation:  For too long politicians have shifted the blame and scapegoated guns as a way to avoid addressing the underlying issues.

And those issues would be....?

Let's hear it from another born & raised or longtime resident.


You're right, I don't live in Chicago, been there once when I was a kid(loved the Museum of Science and Industry). But I see from that map some guns were imported into the city from my native state of Arizona. I don't think the reasons for using the guns in crimes in Chicago were also imported from Arizona or Vermont or Alaska or.... I'm sorry but when the blame is shifted to every other state in the country and everywhere else but Chicago it starts to get a little old for the rest of us too. I'll fully concede that you know more about the problem and how best to fix it than I do, as long as I'm not being blamed for it just because I legally own a gun or two.
2014-04-21 01:22:10 AM  
1 votes:

Top Geezer: redmid17: Top Geezer: It sucks to live here sometimes. Whole swaths of the city are neglected. Tiny Dancer (aka F-bomb Rahm) is buying coffee for guys moving a railroad bridge for a bike trail (a worthy enterprise, don't get me wrong) but why isn't he also in a squad cruising Englewood or Little Village and getting a first-hand look at the blood on the sidewalks and meeting with the grieving families? For every one murder that's Darwin-earned (gang-banging associated) there's another one that's an innocent, and a loss to our future. The city doesn't end west of Western or south of Cermak. You wanna be Mayor? BE MAYOR. Get out there, Farker. You're personally worth MILLIONS. Pull a Bloomberg, if you have to. Do SOMETHING. At the very least, act like you pretend like you almost maybe kinda care. Your appointment book of campaign donors can wait a week or two. IMHO, this is slightly more important.

I like and endorse that whole approach. I do take issue with one small point though. The loss of life is horrible, and the innocent loss of life is far worse. However that ratio is a little off. Something like 80% of Chicago homicide victims have an extensive arrest record (The ones shooting are around 90%). The people being shot are, by and large, not innocent angels. Chicago, probably the state and feds too, has a lot of work to do to drive those numbers down and prevent the death of people you are talking about.

The larger point being that the Mayor - who lives in one of the best neighborhoods in the city (Ravenswood) and was voted in by a large majority of north-siders - seems to ignore the south and west sides. At least Daley paid lip-service to the representatives of those areas. RE just plain ignores them, and/or shuts them out. And thus leading by example, the residents of the north side seem to ignore all other areas. "If it bleeds, it leads". But is quickly forgotten.

We are a city as a whole, or we're not.

It's gotten to the point where there are -two- Chicago ...


But Rahm despite being just as fiscally reckless as Daley will get voted in easily in 2015 because white Chicagoans love his personality.  Chicagoans are suckers for the whole "tough choices" mantra.  Of course not a single "tough choice" will ever effect anyone north of Roosevelt or east of Western, but still they'll praise him for it.  I'd love to say Chicagoans deserve better, but they prove time and again they don't.

/though I did watch the bridge... it was cool.
2014-04-21 01:12:42 AM  
1 votes:

redmid17: violentsalvation: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: [thedrhiphop.files.wordpress.com image 850x516]

No kidding, who would've thought when you ban gun stores in a city with a gun violence problem without doing anything else to combat the violence problem, guns just come in from elsewhere. That's craziness, Chicago might actually have to consider addressing the causes, poor them, that's hard work!

They've only got about a month and a half until they need to start allowing gun stores and ranges. Well unless they just want to avoid more lawsuits and checks issued to the plaintiffs.


Good, it won't affect the gun violence problem either way, fighting against law-abiding gun owners has been a pointless distraction from everything else wrong with the city. For too long politicians have shifted the blame and scapegoated guns as a way to avoid addressing the underlying issues.
2014-04-21 12:41:09 AM  
1 votes:

chewynathan: The end result of slavery in this nations past.


Do you mean the lack of apostrophes (nation's)?

But really: when will these white people stop shooting up the streets?

didir?
Wait... no, I did not.
2014-04-21 12:23:49 AM  
1 votes:

Top Geezer: It sucks to live here sometimes. Whole swaths of the city are neglected. Tiny Dancer (aka F-bomb Rahm) is buying coffee for guys moving a railroad bridge for a bike trail (a worthy enterprise, don't get me wrong) but why isn't he also in a squad cruising Englewood or Little Village and getting a first-hand look at the blood on the sidewalks and meeting with the grieving families? For every one murder that's Darwin-earned (gang-banging associated) there's another one that's an innocent, and a loss to our future. The city doesn't end west of Western or south of Cermak. You wanna be Mayor? BE MAYOR. Get out there, Farker. You're personally worth MILLIONS. Pull a Bloomberg, if you have to. Do SOMETHING. At the very least, act like you pretend like you almost maybe kinda care. Your appointment book of campaign donors can wait a week or two. IMHO, this is slightly more important.


I like and endorse that whole approach. I do take issue with one small point though. The loss of life is horrible, and the innocent loss of life is far worse. However that ratio is a little off. Something like 80% of Chicago homicide victims have an extensive arrest record (The ones shooting are around 90%). The people being shot are, by and large, not innocent angels. Chicago, probably the state and feds too, has a lot of work to do to drive those numbers down and prevent the death of people you are talking about.
2014-04-21 12:16:34 AM  
1 votes:

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Brick-House: and I would like to point out that this is what results when big cities are run exclusively by democrats for 40 years or more.

Why do you do this? Can't you just comment on something without bringing up politics? Add something useful to a conversation, don't be "that guy".


I know, right? He should know by now that, to be clever on Fark, political attacks need to go the *other* direction.
2014-04-21 12:10:39 AM  
1 votes:
thedrhiphop.files.wordpress.com
2014-04-20 11:47:36 PM  
1 votes:

HawgWild: FDR Jones: HawgWild: Nabb1: HawgWild: fusillade762: Any of them come back?

We won't know for a few days. Three, if my calculations are correct.

It's actually two.

Today, tomorrow, the next day. Three days.

As you may have noticed, I didn't say 72 hours.

So when someone says two days, they mean tomorrow. Got it.

No. It just means today and tomorrow are two days.

Here, let's count them together.

1. Today
2. Tomorrow

See? Two days.

Why is this so difficult?!


Congratulations: this is possibly the silliest argument I've seen on Fark in a long time.  Can we fight over why the Hobbits didn't walk to Mordor instead?
2014-04-20 11:29:36 PM  
1 votes:

Ikam: Brick-House: and I would like to point out that this is what results when big cities are run exclusively by democrats for 40 years or more.

... and I would like to invite you to go fark yourself.  This has nothing to do with politics.


But it does. It does indeed.  The 2nd Amendment is more or less a political line issue anymore.
2014-04-20 11:28:01 PM  
1 votes:
Thank God for their overly restrictive gun laws or there may be real violence in the streets.

/I'm so glad the left are keeping us safe.
2014-04-20 11:27:41 PM  
1 votes:
So a much higher body count than the latest incident at Fort Hood. When does President Obama come on TV to address the concerns of the nation?
2014-04-20 11:26:11 PM  
1 votes:

HawgWild: Nabb1: HawgWild: fusillade762: Any of them come back?

We won't know for a few days. Three, if my calculations are correct.

It's actually two.

Today, tomorrow, the next day. Three days.

As you may have noticed, I didn't say 72 hours.


So when someone says two days, they mean tomorrow. Got it.
2014-04-20 11:25:22 PM  
1 votes:
The end result of slavery in this nations past.
2014-04-20 11:22:13 PM  
1 votes:
... and I thought my Chicago family gathering this weekend was awkward.   On a serious note, I've been living in and around Chicago most of my life and the whole rise in violence when the weather finally improves is really damn depressing.  It happens every year and it doesn't make it suck any less.  Chance The Rapper's song "Dear Chicago Summer" sums it up in all of its horrible glory.  Ugh.
2014-04-20 11:20:49 PM  
1 votes:
And to think, these are the cooked book numbers the Mayor and Police Chief release to make us feel that things are not as bad as they really are.
2014-04-20 11:14:59 PM  
1 votes:
To be fair, the weather was real nice this weekend.
2014-04-20 11:14:11 PM  
1 votes:
Not enough.
2014-04-20 10:03:47 PM  
1 votes:
Sunday, Bloody Sunday.

/followed by Bloody Monday, Bloody Tuesday...
2014-04-20 09:40:30 PM  
1 votes:

HawgWild: fusillade762: Any of them come back?

We won't know for a few days. Three, if my calculations are correct.


It's actually two.
2014-04-20 09:33:18 PM  
1 votes:
Their oughta be  a law.....
2014-04-20 09:33:12 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Any of them come back?


Not yet. But it's a bit early for the November elections.
2014-04-20 09:25:40 PM  
1 votes:
People get shot during holidays and family get-togethers. Film at 11.
 
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