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2014-04-21 03:08:04 AM  
It's Eostre... Or Ostara. `Damned Christians had to go and steal every holiday.
 
2014-04-21 03:13:39 AM  

Nix Nightbird: It's Eostre... Or Ostara. `Damned Christians had to go and steal every holiday.


assimilate or die
 
2014-04-21 03:21:43 AM  

namatad: It is even a more egregious lie when you consider that the murder rate is down for that last 30 years and falling.


Also if you look at the nature of the murders that paints a still different picture. Like 2 of the 9 dead this weekend were due to a murder suicide which involved a county corrections officer and his Chicago police officer wife. That has zero bearing on the safety of Chicago as a city.
 
2014-04-21 03:23:30 AM  

namatad: doomjesse: I'd love to see a comparison of number of deaths in Chicago on given weekend compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Rio de Janeiro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate


So New Orleans is the murder capital of America now? Huh.
 
2014-04-21 03:33:56 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: HawgWild: Nabb1: HawgWild: Nabb1: HawgWild: fusillade762: Any of them come back?

We won't know for a few days. Three, if my calculations are correct.

It's actually two.

Today, tomorrow, the next day. Three days.

As you may have noticed, I didn't say 72 hours.

Died on Friday, still dead Saturday, rose on Sunday (or since Passover fell on Friday the year Jesus was crucified, and that is a Sabbath, there were two Sabbath days in a row, meaning Jesus's crucifixion took place on Thursday afternoon - a Sabbath starts at sundown the night before - not Friday, and that he rose Saturday. A quibbling detail, but very interesting). In fact, I think it was discovered the stone to the tomb had been moved in the morning, which would put the time between death and resurrection at less than 48 hours.

Exactly. Three days. How is this unclear?

Because normal people don't count "1" until a whole "1" has occured.

Ancient Jews apparently thought differently.


I think it's somewhere between 1.5 days and 2.5 days at most. Certainly less than 3 full days.

And I'm also sure that magic did not make him "rise". That's BS. He just needed a long rest.
 
2014-04-21 03:36:19 AM  

namatad: doomjesse: I'd love to see a comparison of number of deaths in Chicago on given weekend compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Rio de Janeiro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate


Damn, Mexico, you scary.
 
2014-04-21 03:41:05 AM  

Precision Boobery: namatad: doomjesse: I'd love to see a comparison of number of deaths in Chicago on given weekend compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Rio de Janeiro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Damn, Mexico, you scary.


Yay drug war!
 
2014-04-21 05:08:54 AM  

doomjesse: namatad: doomjesse: I'd love to see a comparison of number of deaths in Chicago on given weekend compared to Iraq, Afghanistan, or even Rio de Janeiro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Wow...we haven't even cracked the top 20 if measured by murders per 100,000 population. As bad as it was this weekend in Chicago, this kinda puts it in perspective.

/used to live near Belmont and Narragansett in Chicago
//visited Englewood on the south side many times
///even with the violence and gentrification I'll take it over WV any day


I'd love to see it cross-referenced with police spending/taxation though.
 
2014-04-21 05:43:44 AM  

Ikam: ... and I thought my Chicago family gathering this weekend was awkward.   On a serious note, I've been living in and around Chicago most of my life and the whole rise in violence when the weather finally improves is really damn depressing.  It happens every year and it doesn't make it suck any less.  Chance The Rapper's song "Dear Chicago Summer" sums it up in all of its horrible glory.  Ugh.


So does it even out with other cities because no one's getting murdered when it's cold out? Per capita it doesn't look that bad on this chart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate#2012 _c alendar_year_ratios_of_crime_per_100.2C000_population
 
2014-04-21 06:41:07 AM  

Ikam: Brick-House: and I would like to point out that this is what results when big cities are run exclusively by democrats for 40 years or more.

... and I would like to invite you to go fark yourself.  This has nothing to do with politics.


Are you new here? All threads devolve into political debates.
 
2014-04-21 06:45:31 AM  
Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.
 
2014-04-21 06:54:15 AM  
Must be all those white power types the SPLC keeps trying to scare me with, apparently they are the biggest danger to minorities, not other minorities as the FBI would have you believe.
 
2014-04-21 07:03:55 AM  

Top Geezer: violentsalvation: "...as long as I'm not being blamed for it just because I legally own a gun or two."

You're not being blamed. You're being told to shut the hell up, and butt the hell out. Their is no equivalence between where you currently live and what's going on here.

/apologies, nothing personal (I don't think), but this is pissing me off. I am old and cranky. There is blood on the sidewalks here....and no one gives a shiat.....


If you aren't out protesting in the street them you can STF up and stop being part of the problem as well.
 
2014-04-21 07:05:38 AM  

jaybeezey: Must be all those white power types the SPLC keeps trying to scare me with, apparently they are the biggest danger to minorities, not other minorities as the FBI would have you believe.


Derp.  Yep, that's how they say it too... "these people are the biggest danger to minorities."

them minorities are always gettin' themselves in danger, I tell you what.

say when's your next Klan meetin'?
 
2014-04-21 07:35:39 AM  

Ikam: Brick-House: and I would like to point out that this is what results when big cities are run exclusively by democrats for 40 years or more.

... and I would like to invite you to go fark yourself.  This has nothing to do with politics.


If I may add without intruding too much, I'd recommend the instrument of choice be an non-sanded and unfinished Louisville Slugger wrapped in rusty razor concertina wire.
 
2014-04-21 07:49:44 AM  

Brick-House: and I would like to point out that this is what results when big cities are run exclusively by democrats for 40 years or more.


And over 4400 dead and 32000 wounded is what you get when a big war is started by and run for only 8 years by Republicans. (Iraq)
 
2014-04-21 08:32:39 AM  
I have no doubt Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton will get to the bottom of this and make some speeches blaming George Bush.  That should fix things......
 
2014-04-21 08:35:10 AM  

jaybeezey: Must be all those white power types the SPLC keeps trying to scare me with, apparently they are the biggest danger to minorities, not other minorities as the FBI would have you believe.


If they didn't exist, they would have to be created, just because.
 
2014-04-21 08:36:46 AM  
If we could stop gang-bangers from whacking each other with more laws, that would be a good thing how?
 
2014-04-21 08:50:31 AM  

orbister: Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.


Puerto Rico also has a strict gun law, but the murder rate is astronomical. Same is true in Jamaica, Mexico, and a number of other top contenders on the per-capita list.  The US mainland murder rate is upticked by areas which also happen to have gun restrictions.You can own guns in Canada, and it barely scored above the UK. Switzerland came in lower, and they make you take a military grade machine gun home.

So what gives?

I think it would be more accurate to say that it isn't gun control that brings about the big changes. There's alot more to do with the economy, the culture, immigration rates, educational levels, how much gets spent on infrastructure, the local police, corruption in government, nearby warzones, and so on...

So you take the UK which has high education, a strong police force, lots of money to go around and well kept streets in a relatively well to do part of the world.  Oddly enough (like Canada, Switzerland, and other first world areas) the crime rate is low.
You go to the South America and the rates are high.  The economies generally suck, education is poor, there's lots of corruption and the few cops you have can't even access half of their patrol area in a timely fashion.

The problem is that our politicians see the UK's gun control model and get stuck on its stupidity.  Not realizing that you could sprinkle guns all over England and the crime rate wouldn't change.
Then they come to the voters here and, like a bad mechanic, offer to refill the headlight fluid to get rid of that knocking noise in our engine.
Then we waste our time trying to figure out why its not working. Not realizing that you'd have gotten more of a crime reduction by fixing a few roads and properly staffing the schools.
 
2014-04-21 08:51:04 AM  
I only feel bad when an innocent bystander gets hit. Gang on gang violence? No farks given.
 
2014-04-21 10:32:38 AM  

orbister: Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.



its YOUR fault, bloody revolting peasants.
 
2014-04-21 10:33:01 AM  

lazymojo: jaybeezey: Must be all those white power types the SPLC keeps trying to scare me with, apparently they are the biggest danger to minorities, not other minorities as the FBI would have you believe.

Derp.  Yep, that's how they say it too... "these people are the biggest danger to minorities."

them minorities are always gettin' themselves in danger, I tell you what.

say when's your next Klan meetin'?


Are you challenging the claim that the lion's share of gun violence against minorities comes from other members of the same minority?

Because that would be false, and appear that you're just reacting because you think something sounds racist.
 
2014-04-21 10:36:23 AM  

Frank N Stein: I only feel bad when an innocent bystander gets hit. Gang on gang violence? No farks given.


FTA: "One relative said they had said they were not in the gang"

There is no way a teen gang member would lie to an undisclosed relative about their membership status, so you MUST be mistaken.
 
2014-04-21 10:43:57 AM  

Top Geezer: The city doesn't end west of Western or south of Cermak.



it doesn't end, maybe, but it's definitely a bit of a DMZ.
 
2014-04-21 11:50:46 AM  

orbister: Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.


yawn
look - a lie with statistics

you have about 700 murders a year in the UK, for a murder rate of 1.2 per 100,000.
The US is 4.8 per 100,000. Yes guns are probably the reason that the numbers are much higher in the US.
 
2014-04-21 11:53:07 AM  

Frank N Stein: I only feel bad when an innocent bystander gets hit. Gang on gang violence? No farks given.


THIS THIS and MORE THIS.

The they really need to separate the murder numbers, gang/drug dealer related and the rest of the citizens.
It would be quite interesting to look at the data by victim type.
 
2014-04-21 12:14:14 PM  
See, this is the reason we should resort to a level of military intervention. I know, people will say "no, you're a fascist, that will create a martial law situation...." But the police seem to be way too overburdened to really just eliminate this ongoing gang violence problem. Bring in the military and have them seek and destroy gangs, no mercy, no prisoners. Problem solved.
 
2014-04-21 12:35:02 PM  

way south: orbister: Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.

Puerto Rico also has a strict gun law, but the murder rate is astronomical. Same is true in Jamaica, Mexico, and a number of other top contenders on the per-capita list.  The US mainland murder rate is upticked by areas which also happen to have gun restrictions.You can own guns in Canada, and it barely scored above the UK. Switzerland came in lower, and they make you take a military grade machine gun home.

So what gives?

I think it would be more accurate to say that it isn't gun control that brings about the big changes. There's alot more to do with the economy, the culture, immigration rates, educational levels, how much gets spent on infrastructure, the local police, corruption in government, nearby warzones, and so on...

So you take the UK which has high education, a strong police force, lots of money to go around and well kept streets in a relatively well to do part of the world.  Oddly enough (like Canada, Switzerland, and other first world areas) the crime rate is low.
You go to the South America and the rates are high.  The economies generally suck, education is poor, there's lots of corruption and the few cops you have can't even access half of their patrol area in a timely fashion.

The problem is that our politicians see the UK's gun control model and get stuck on its stupidity.  Not realizing that you could sprinkle guns all over England and the crime rate wouldn't change.
Then they come to the voters here and, like a bad mechanic, offer to refill the headlight fluid to get rid of that knocking noise in our engine.
Then we waste our time trying to figure out why its not working. Not realizing that you'd have gotten more of a crime reduction by fixing a few roads and properly staffing the schools.


img.fark.net

Headlight fluid?
 
2014-04-21 01:06:08 PM  

HawgWild: FDR Jones: HawgWild: Nabb1: HawgWild: fusillade762: Any of them come back?

We won't know for a few days. Three, if my calculations are correct.

It's actually two.

Today, tomorrow, the next day. Three days.

As you may have noticed, I didn't say 72 hours.

So when someone says two days, they mean tomorrow. Got it.

No. It just means today and tomorrow are two days.

Here, let's count them together.

1. Today
2. Tomorrow

See? Two days.

Why is this so difficult?!


This whole threadshiat is giving me flashbacks to when I worked at Blockbuster years ago.

"It was a two day rental!"
"Yes, Sir. You rented it on Friday, that was the first day. It was due Saturday, that was the second day. You returned it on Sunday, that was the third day, it was late."
 
2014-04-21 01:09:46 PM  
city with the toughest fun control laws in the nation.  How is that working out for you liberals?
 
2014-04-21 01:16:22 PM  

Dirty J1: See, this is the reason we should resort to a level of military intervention. I know, people will say "no, you're a fascist, that will create a martial law situation...." But the police seem to be way too overburdened to really just eliminate this ongoing gang violence problem. Bring in the military and have them seek and destroy gangs, no mercy, no prisoners. Problem solved.


Los Angeles came back from the brink, and LA was much worse than Chicago.  They did it by continually strengthening the police force, gentrifying many shiatty areas, and rolling along the economic train as it ramped up in the mid 90s through the late 00s.  The housing boom had a lot of disadvantages, but one of the advantages was that it helped with improving fringe neighborhoods and the fringe gradually shrunk in on the worst areas.  Gun control really wasn't a significant part of LA's recovery in the post LA riots world
 
2014-04-21 02:41:21 PM  

Top Geezer: If - as Chuck D said - that rap is the CNN of the hood, then here's a dispatch from the South Side:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3eZQigvsI&feature=kp

"Why you think they don't talk about it? They deserted us here
Where the f*** Matt Lauer at? Somebody get Katie Couric in here
Probably scared of all the refugees; look like we had a fu***n' hurricane here
They'll be shooting whether it's dark or not, I mean the days is pretty dark a lot
Down here, it's easier to find a gun than it is to find a f**king parking spot
No love for the opposition, specifically a cop position
Cause they've never been in our position
Getting violations for the nation, correlating, you dry snitchin'

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too
I know you scared... me too
I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too
If you was there, then we'd just knew you cared too
It just got warm out, this the shiat I've been warned 'bout
I hope that it storm in the morning, I hope that it's pourin' out
I hate crowded beaches, I hate the sound of fireworks
And I ponder what's worse between knowing it's over and dying first
Cause everybody dies in the summer
Wanna say ya goodbyes, tell them while it's spring
I heard everybody's dyin' in the summer
So pray to God for a little more spring"

AM disc jockey radio voice: "This one goes out to Mayor Emanuel!"


Except you won't get that kind of thoughtful analysis from CNN. Srsly.
 
2014-04-21 02:58:20 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: way south: orbister: Is this a good place to point out that we have about 40 murders by gun per year in the UK, and about 30 times the population of Chicago. Also strict gun control. Hooray.

Puerto Rico also has a strict gun law, but the murder rate is astronomical. Same is true in Jamaica, Mexico, and a number of other top contenders on the per-capita list.  The US mainland murder rate is upticked by areas which also happen to have gun restrictions.You can own guns in Canada, and it barely scored above the UK. Switzerland came in lower, and they make you take a military grade machine gun home.

So what gives?

I think it would be more accurate to say that it isn't gun control that brings about the big changes. There's alot more to do with the economy, the culture, immigration rates, educational levels, how much gets spent on infrastructure, the local police, corruption in government, nearby warzones, and so on...

So you take the UK which has high education, a strong police force, lots of money to go around and well kept streets in a relatively well to do part of the world.  Oddly enough (like Canada, Switzerland, and other first world areas) the crime rate is low.
You go to the South America and the rates are high.  The economies generally suck, education is poor, there's lots of corruption and the few cops you have can't even access half of their patrol area in a timely fashion.

The problem is that our politicians see the UK's gun control model and get stuck on its stupidity.  Not realizing that you could sprinkle guns all over England and the crime rate wouldn't change.
Then they come to the voters here and, like a bad mechanic, offer to refill the headlight fluid to get rid of that knocking noise in our engine.
Then we waste our time trying to figure out why its not working. Not realizing that you'd have gotten more of a crime reduction by fixing a few roads and properly staffing the schools.

[img.fark.net image 289x175]

Headlight fluid?


img.fark.net
Needs to be changed once every 1000 hours of night driving for best performance.
They might not have it at your local auto shop, but if you send me your credit card I can order some for you.
 
2014-04-21 04:58:37 PM  

fusillade762: Any of them come back?


Let's wait for three days and see.
 
2014-04-21 05:42:58 PM  

jst3p: This whole threadshiat is giving me flashbacks to when I worked at Blockbuster years ago.

"It was a two day rental!"
"Yes, Sir. You rented it on Friday, that was the first day. It was due Saturday, that was the second day. You returned it on Sunday, that was the third day, it was late."


Oh man, *shudder*, Blockbuster. I always just kept telling myself at least it wasn't food service.
 
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