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2014-04-20 11:54:06 PM

Johnny Texas: What's rust?


Haha! Me too!
 
2014-04-20 11:55:43 PM
Who would buy a Mazda SUV thinking it would last more than 5 years?
 
2014-04-20 11:56:36 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Yah, but I'm sayin that TruCoat, you don't get it, you get oxidation problems. It'll cost ya a heck of a lot more than $500


The previews for the new Fargo tv show looked funny, so I watched the movie. I don't understand what was so good about that movie. I didn't like it and kind of want that time back.
 
2014-04-20 11:59:47 PM

Johnny Texas: It's on Tuesday at 10 eastern. Nobody from the movie and the plot is completely new.


Bathia_Mapes: Tuesdays at 10 pm on FX, but none of the movie actors are in it. It's set in 2006, 10 years after Fargo was released.


Thank you both. Billy Bob Thornton and the Coen bros - this is something to check out.
 
2014-04-21 12:09:51 AM

Bathia_Mapes: [www.yelof.com image 274x210]
Yah, but I'm sayin that TruCoat, you don't get it, you get oxidation problems. It'll cost ya a heck of a lot more than $500


And we're done in one.  The only reason I even clicked on this thread was to make sure this had been covered.
 
2014-04-21 12:31:47 AM

89 Stick-Up Kid: Who would buy a Mazda SUV thinking it would last more than 5 years?


I did, a 2002 Tribute. Kept it for 11 years. It had a couple of small rust spots on the exterior. But I can say this in all honesty, it was a great vehicle. It required only routine maintenance. Traded it in last year with 86,500 miles on it and I'm sure someone else will get a lot more use out of it.
 
2014-04-21 12:32:13 AM
The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

... wait, Mazda owns Ford, or is it the other way around?

Huh.  Apparently ford owned about 1/3 of Mazda (controlling interest) since the mid-90s and manufactured the bulk of US Mazdas until 2008-2010, where Ford divested because the Mazda brand was dragging their main brands down (the 2007 financial crash hit a lot of Asian companies harder than US companies).  I did not know that, guess I learned something today.

// Apparently the divestment was a good move since Mazda damn near disappeared as a brand and had to sell out to Sumitomo, one of the big four Zaibatsu, just to keep the doors open.  Further confirmation that Ford is the only US auto company that knows what the fark it's doing.
 
2014-04-21 01:07:03 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Johnny Texas: It's on Tuesday at 10 eastern. Nobody from the movie and the plot is completely new.

Bathia_Mapes: Tuesdays at 10 pm on FX, but none of the movie actors are in it. It's set in 2006, 10 years after Fargo was released.

Thank you both. Billy Bob Thornton and the Coen bros - this is something to check out.


It premiered on April 15th so you shouldn't have any problems catching up.

There are obvious nods to the movie too.
 
2014-04-21 01:14:47 AM

Bathia_Mapes: There are obvious nods to the movie too.


Whoah! Just checked out your profile page - wife and I are huge Dark Shadow fans, love the new movie (sorry you did not), saddened it wasn't successful enough to prompt more.
 
2014-04-21 01:15:55 AM

Jim_Callahan: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

... wait, Mazda owns Ford, or is it the other way around?

Huh.  Apparently ford owned about 1/3 of Mazda (controlling interest) since the mid-90s and manufactured the bulk of US Mazdas until 2008-2010, where Ford divested because the Mazda brand was dragging their main brands down (the 2007 financial crash hit a lot of Asian companies harder than US companies).  I did not know that, guess I learned something today.

// Apparently the divestment was a good move since Mazda damn near disappeared as a brand and had to sell out to Sumitomo, one of the big four Zaibatsu, just to keep the doors open.  Further confirmation that Ford is the only US auto company that knows what the fark it's doing.


Think of Ford as the Apple Computer of cars. They had the visionary creator, who managed to insert his opinion into how the company was run up until they put him in the ground. GM is Microsoft and Dell having a love child that made cars. They got where they are buy buying the smaller fish and being the first with the worst. Chrysler is Commodore with the marketing department of Alienware.
 
2014-04-21 01:30:01 AM

Jim_Callahan: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

... wait, Mazda owns Ford, or is it the other way around?

Huh.  Apparently ford owned about 1/3 of Mazda (controlling interest) since the mid-90s and manufactured the bulk of US Mazdas until 2008-2010, where Ford divested because the Mazda brand was dragging their main brands down (the 2007 financial crash hit a lot of Asian companies harder than US companies).  I did not know that, guess I learned something today.

// Apparently the divestment was a good move since Mazda damn near disappeared as a brand and had to sell out to Sumitomo, one of the big four Zaibatsu, just to keep the doors open.  Further confirmation that Ford is the only US auto company that knows what the fark it's doing.


Ford ran Mazda into the ground, the same thing GM did with Suzuki.  Ford doesn't know jack shiat what it's doing.

When both Suzuki and Mazda began making cars without American oversight, the quality greatly improved. It was too late for Suzuki here in the US, but Mazda is making a comeback...don't know if they turned it around soon enough, however.
 
2014-04-21 01:34:48 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: FTFA: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

American manufacturing rears its ugly head again.


Fun fact Toyota Tacomas where recalled over the frame rusting clean in two.
 
2014-04-21 01:41:33 AM

Bathia_Mapes: WhoopAssWayne: Johnny Texas: It's on Tuesday at 10 eastern. Nobody from the movie and the plot is completely new.

Bathia_Mapes: Tuesdays at 10 pm on FX, but none of the movie actors are in it. It's set in 2006, 10 years after Fargo was released.

Thank you both. Billy Bob Thornton and the Coen bros - this is something to check out.

It premiered on April 15th so you shouldn't have any problems catching up.

There are obvious nods to the movie too.


Billy Bob is awesome in this.
 
2014-04-21 02:13:43 AM

Oldiron_79: Fun fact Toyota Tacomas where recalled over the frame rusting clean in two.


For anyone that just did a double-take, I'll save you the trouble of digging into the company recall archives: the last recall for this ceiling'd at 2004, if your truck is from any later model-year it should be fine.

I mean, you should check your frame for rust occasionally because it's more of an issue for trucks than most other vehicles in general, but the Tacoma specifically isn't any worse than any other truck anymore.  The current listed recalls on the last 10 years or so of Tacomas are all control issues or tire issues, more "visit your mechanic once" stuff than actual vehicle-exchange stuff.

So... manufacturers do learn from this kind of thing, eventually.
 
2014-04-21 02:26:13 AM

WhoopAssWayne: Bathia_Mapes: There are obvious nods to the movie too.

Whoah! Just checked out your profile page - wife and I are huge Dark Shadow fans, love the new movie (sorry you did not), saddened it wasn't successful enough to prompt more.


I'm glad you liked my profile page. As you probably guessed, my user name is from Dark Shadows too.

I didn't completely dislike the Burton/Depp DS movie, but I felt they could have done better considering how much of a fan Depp was (he bought the movie rights from Dan Curtis' estate). They did leave it open for a sequel, though.
 
2014-04-21 02:28:35 AM

Speaker2Animals: Billy Bob is awesome in this.


Completely agree.
 
2014-04-21 02:34:57 AM

Bathia_Mapes: I didn't completely dislike the Burton/Depp DS movie, but I felt they could have done better considering how much of a fan Depp was (he bought the movie rights from Dan Curtis' estate). They did leave it open for a sequel, though.


That overhead train shot / knights in white satin was amazing. Chloe Moretz also nailed, and yes Depp (and  So many others,  Jackie Earl - LoL yeah)
 
2014-04-21 03:47:51 AM

Johnny Texas: Since this has turned into a Fargo thread, I'm going to take a moment to say that if you're not watching the series on FX, you're missing something great.


Thanks for the recommend, been keeping my eye on it
 
2014-04-21 03:50:00 AM

lennavan: Basically what I'm saying is American foreign or transplant made is always crap.


FTFY.
 
2014-04-21 04:14:14 AM

Johnsnownw: Jim_Callahan: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

... wait, Mazda owns Ford, or is it the other way around?

Huh.  Apparently ford owned about 1/3 of Mazda (controlling interest) since the mid-90s and manufactured the bulk of US Mazdas until 2008-2010, where Ford divested because the Mazda brand was dragging their main brands down (the 2007 financial crash hit a lot of Asian companies harder than US companies).  I did not know that, guess I learned something today.

// Apparently the divestment was a good move since Mazda damn near disappeared as a brand and had to sell out to Sumitomo, one of the big four Zaibatsu, just to keep the doors open.  Further confirmation that Ford is the only US auto company that knows what the fark it's doing.

Ford ran Mazda into the ground, the same thing GM did with Suzuki.  Ford doesn't know jack shiat what it's doing.

When both Suzuki and Mazda began making cars without American oversight, the quality greatly improved. It was too late for Suzuki here in the US, but Mazda is making a comeback...don't know if they turned it around soon enough, however.


Mazda is doing fine not being associated with Ford anymore. Mazda isn't perfect but their design styling as of late has been ahead of the bland curve, particularly the new Mazda6 and Mazda3.

I'm looking to buy a new 6 when the time comes. Right now I'm still good with an '08 6.

Anyway, it was best to leave Ford in order to forge their own identity again.

Bye.
 
2014-04-21 04:48:51 AM
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2014-04-21 07:00:33 AM

Bathia_Mapes: WhoopAssWayne: Bathia_Mapes: There are obvious nods to the movie too.

Whoah! Just checked out your profile page - wife and I are huge Dark Shadow fans, love the new movie (sorry you did not), saddened it wasn't successful enough to prompt more.

I'm glad you liked my profile page. As you probably guessed, my user name is from Dark Shadows too.

I didn't completely dislike the Burton/Depp DS movie, but I felt they could have done better considering how much of a fan Depp was (he bought the movie rights from Dan Curtis' estate). They did leave it open for a sequel, though.


Agreed...it wasn't bad, but the old show scared the crap out of me as a kid.

/partly because Grandma had a place that sorta looked the mansion shot in your profile
 
2014-04-21 07:17:48 AM

ucan'tcmee: 89 Stick-Up Kid: Who would buy a Mazda SUV thinking it would last more than 5 years?

I did, a 2002 Tribute. Kept it for 11 years. It had a couple of small rust spots on the exterior. But I can say this in all honesty, it was a great vehicle. It required only routine maintenance. Traded it in last year with 86,500 miles on it and I'm sure someone else will get a lot more use out of it.


You don't drive much, man. I do that in like 3 years
 
2014-04-21 07:18:53 AM

SpdrJay: Humans weren't meant to live in places where it snows.


Humans don't rust
 
2014-04-21 07:20:29 AM

Jim_Callahan: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

... wait, Mazda owns Ford, or is it the other way around?

Huh.  Apparently ford owned about 1/3 of Mazda (controlling interest) since the mid-90s and manufactured the bulk of US Mazdas until 2008-2010, where Ford divested because the Mazda brand was dragging their main brands down (the 2007 financial crash hit a lot of Asian companies harder than US companies).  I did not know that, guess I learned something today.

// Apparently the divestment was a good move since Mazda damn near disappeared as a brand and had to sell out to Sumitomo, one of the big four Zaibatsu, just to keep the doors open.  Further confirmation that Ford is the only US auto company that knows what the fark it's doing.


Well, they DO know how to build a transmission that blows up one day after the warranty expires.
 
2014-04-21 07:48:47 AM

knbwhite: StopLurkListen: I thought it was the financing guy that pushed the rustproofing / lojack / etc, not the sales guy...

@Bathia_Mapes

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When I bought my jeep the finance guy was working the Lojack hard.  I was a little interested since I had not heard of it before, but all I could think of was Lundegaard.   I still don't know how widespread Lojack is.  Maybe it has rules like Fight Club.  Anyway, since the guy gave me a line about Lojack being way more expensive or unavailable to purchase after the fact I reverted to my usual attitude toward salespeople.

Anyone here have a CSB Lojack story?


in and of itself, lojack is pretty worthless. Very few cars get stolen these days, and while they act like the cops will be on the tail of the thief the second your lojack goes off, the reality is that the cops will run it a couple hours later, maybe, and by then any decent chop-shop will have gotten the car to bits and pieces by then.

so, lojack is good for recovering your car if stupid joyriders decide to steal it.
the other main benefit? a discount on your insurance.

that's pretty much it.
so, if you think the discount on your insurance will outweigh the cost, its worth it.
 
2014-04-21 07:52:08 AM

lennavan: AverageAmericanGuy: American manufacturing rears its ugly head again.

My 1996 GM manufactured car with 170,000 miles runs great.  The only rust issues are with the exhaust system (straight pipe just got a small hole for the first time, makes it a teenie louder, i'll replace it soon), which of course after 18 winters with salted roads is expected.

Basically what I'm saying is American made is always crap.


My 2003 Buick Century at 19k miles started showing visible rust on the rocker panel.  It was my grandmother's car, spent all of its life in a completely dry garage, washed it just like I would my other cars.  That car now has about 32k miles, and the rust keeps creeping along the bottom of the car.  We still wash it frequently and park it in a dry garage.  If the car had any significant resale value, I would probably try to fix it, but our used market is filled with low mileage Buicks; the most we would get for this car is around $2,000.

My 1996 Volvo 960 has absolutely no rust other than the exhaust, 160k, and seen 18 winters.  My 1990 Volvo 740 was the same way when I sold it last year, 188k, 23 winters in New York State.  The galvanized body and aluminum tailgate on the Volvos definitely make a huge difference when it comes to rust prevention.
 
2014-04-21 08:40:44 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).


Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.
 
2014-04-21 08:42:38 AM

walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.


Spoken like someone who owns an American car.
 
2014-04-21 08:43:03 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Shazam999: AverageAmericanGuy: FTFA: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

American manufacturing rears its ugly head again.

Early to mid 2000 Mazdas are notorious for rusting.

Made in America®


Actually mr nitwit, they are assembled , with exactly the same tooling, and the exact same materials in a half dozen locations all over the world...

But yeah, it's all the fault of the guy on the line...
 
2014-04-21 08:47:53 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.


My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state
 
2014-04-21 09:16:41 AM

lack of warmth: WhoopAssWayne: Salt and slag will do that, regardless of rust-proofing snake-oil. ProTip: wash after every snow and go to an automatic with underbody wash. Or you can be a cheap like my Dad who has a truck with no resale value because he didn't want to pay the $8 after each storm. (Had  a car for 10 years with no rust - full resale value on trade.)

I tried the constant washing thing, and even touched up spots with paint during the summers.  It didn't matter one bit, because the body panels rusted anyways from the inside out.  Seriously, my car looked perfect till I notice a funny bubble spot on the rocker panel.  I poked it and my finger went right through.  I haven't washed either truck, one truck has zero rust and is older, the big truck has some rust underneath and one spot of rust on the inside of the door.  The body of the big truck looks perfect from the outside.  Maybe auto painting has greatly improved since when your dad bought his truck, to the point that constant washing isn't as necessary as it used to be.

/btw, the newer truck is 9 years old with over 160k miles
//older truck has 3 more years and about 240k


POR-15.

My FJ took a farking beating from the brine they use on the roads in SE PA. Hit up everything that looked rusty with that stuff, and it looks better than new.
 
2014-04-21 09:32:16 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Not sure what you're smoking, but I want some.

Ford makes some damn good vehicles and has cleaned up a lot of issues from a decade ago. I'm a Chrysler guy and I can respect the effort they've put in.


I'm a CDJRF guy, too, and I don't respect their efforts at all.  Their newer stuff is even shiattier than their older stuff, and it's more expensive now.

How many fire-related recalls are we up to now on the new Escape?  Seven?   Did they ever fix those shiatty DCTs in the Fiestas and Focuses?

Quality is Job Potato at Ford.
 
2014-04-21 09:33:30 AM

dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.

My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state


Typical for North American manufacture.
 
2014-04-21 09:41:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.

My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state

Typical for North American manufacture.


www.troll.me
 
2014-04-21 10:04:57 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.

My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state

Typical for North American manufacture.


Riiight, because the same Japanese designed van, loaded with Japanese designed and in many cases, Japanese built parts, would have magically not rusted if it was assembled in japan, you know, because of the magic anti-rust pixie dust the nips save for their domestic factories...

anywho.... enough troll engagement, back to work...
 
2014-04-21 10:16:46 AM

dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.

My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state

Typical for North American manufacture.

Riiight, because the same Japanese designed van, loaded with Japanese designed and in many cases, Japanese built parts, would have magically not rusted if it was assembled in japan, you know, because of the magic anti-rust pixie dust the nips save for their domestic factories...

anywho.... enough troll engagement, back to work...


The NA Odyssey is a North American design. It has nothing but the badge in common with Odysseys from Japan.

That's all from me. I don't find racists worth the time.
 
2014-04-21 10:19:21 AM
Guess we've made progress from the American cars that would rust on the dealer lot.

I've always wanted an International Scout for off roading, but forget to was it once and you fenders turn into rust flakes.
 
2014-04-21 10:30:48 AM

Gleeman: Guess we've made progress from the American cars that would rust on the dealer lot.

I've always wanted an International Scout for off roading, but forget to was it once and you fenders turn into rust flakes.


POR15 on shiat thats already rusty, and rubberized bedliner spray on the inside of body panels so they don't get rusty.
 
2014-04-21 11:48:59 AM

lack of warmth: Bathia_Mapes: [www.yelof.com image 274x210]
Yah, but I'm sayin that TruCoat, you don't get it, you get oxidation problems. It'll cost ya a heck of a lot more than $500

Oh gosh darn it, we had a deal.  We had a gosh darn deal you piece of  mumble mumble. I can't believe this, we had a deal.  Give me my checkbook.



I never understood why -- at this point in the movie -- the customer didn't just threaten to walk away from the deal (and, if that failed, just leave).  I probably would have.
 
2014-04-21 11:57:35 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.

My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state

Typical for North American manufacture.

Riiight, because the same Japanese designed van, loaded with Japanese designed and in many cases, Japanese built parts, would have magically not rusted if it was assembled in japan, you know, because of the magic anti-rust pixie dust the nips save for their domestic factories...

anywho.... enough troll engagement, back to work...

The NA Odyssey is a North American design. It has nothing but the badge in common with Odysseys from Japan.

That's all from me. I don't find racists worth the time.



...so, you're just saying that Honda has no effective quality-control or design review procedures?

/ also, FYI, the formal name of the "State of Japan" is literally "Nippon-koku" (or, alternately, "Nihon-koku" / 日本国); never was sure why the truncation of "nippon" would get Americans' panties in a twist
 
2014-04-21 12:32:04 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: dforkus: AverageAmericanGuy: walkerhound: AverageAmericanGuy: The Escape and the Tribute came off the same assembly lines. The Tribute is just a rebadged Escape (like the Honda Passport is just a rebadged Isuzu Rodeo).

Affecting model years 2001-2004.  Big whoop.  Any car that's been on the road for 10-13 years in salt country is expected to have rust.

Spoken like someone who owns an American car.

My 01 odessy died of rust issues after 10 winters in a salt state

Typical for North American manufacture.

Riiight, because the same Japanese designed van, loaded with Japanese designed and in many cases, Japanese built parts, would have magically not rusted if it was assembled in japan, you know, because of the magic anti-rust pixie dust the nips save for their domestic factories...

anywho.... enough troll engagement, back to work...

The NA Odyssey is a North American design. It has nothing but the badge in common with Odysseys from Japan.

That's all from me. I don't find racists worth the time.


Actually, no.
That generation of Odyssey, just like that generation of Tundra (which had unprecedented and downright dangerous rusting issue) started production in the late 90's, would have been in design and engineering in the mid 90s, at a time when Honda north america had only the beginnings of design presence and virtually no manufacturing engineering domestic to north america...


and as far as the pearl clutching over "racism"... oh boo hoo, hopefully your fainting couch broke your fall.. I'm velly solly if I offended you.

If anyone is throwing around stereotypes with a nigh religious fervor, it's you. The japanese are blameless, if anything ever goes wrong in your japanese car, its because some white guy farted in its general vicinity.. yah... we get it...

anxiously awaiting your reply... Oh I forgot, you're not trolling, and you don't have time for racists, so you won't post again..
 
2014-04-21 12:36:46 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: AverageAmericanGuy: FTFA: The same problem caused a recall of nearly 386,000 older Ford Escapes earlier this month. The Escape and Tribute are nearly identical vehicles.

American manufacturing rears its ugly head again.

Not sure what you're smoking, but I want some.

Ford makes some damn good vehicles and has cleaned up a lot of issues from a decade ago. I'm a Chrysler guy and I can respect the effort they've put in.



Bwahahahaha...I never had a dog in the ford vs chevy argument (or ford vs who ever), but....

The Ford Explorer and Ford Escape that my workplace has have been nothing but trouble since we got them 2 years ago.  The Escape's brakes litterally quit working on someone a month in and with less than 10k miles.  Not to mention that it's so weak it can't maintain 70mph when going up hill.  The Explorer ended up with a dead cylinder well before it hit 30k miles and had to have a factory rebuilt engine put in (less the warrabnty I believe?). My buddy bought an explorer  new about the same time our office got ours. He has already sold since it was having so many things go wrong.

9 times out of 10 when I go to sign out one of the vehicles, either the Explorer or the Escape has a "Not available, in maintenance" sign on it. The Escape is in for some sort of transmission issue as we speak.

We still have a Jeep and a Saturn View from our last fleet that are going strong, but after seeing what I've seen of these fords, I would never recommend one.

/subaru guy
 
2014-04-21 02:44:26 PM

PunGent: Bathia_Mapes: WhoopAssWayne: Bathia_Mapes: There are obvious nods to the movie too.

Whoah! Just checked out your profile page - wife and I are huge Dark Shadow fans, love the new movie (sorry you did not), saddened it wasn't successful enough to prompt more.

I'm glad you liked my profile page. As you probably guessed, my user name is from Dark Shadows too.

I didn't completely dislike the Burton/Depp DS movie, but I felt they could have done better considering how much of a fan Depp was (he bought the movie rights from Dan Curtis' estate). They did leave it open for a sequel, though.

Agreed...it wasn't bad, but the old show scared the crap out of me as a kid.

/partly because Grandma had a place that sorta looked the mansion shot in your profile


They used exterior shots of Seaview Terrace (aka Carey Mansion) for Collinwood.
 
2014-04-21 04:57:54 PM
Nissan did this 2 years ago with the pathfinder. It's not only Americans that are finding out salt deteriorates metal.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM424989/RC RI T-11V244-5867.pdf

/ Although everyone should know this and act accordingly.
 
2014-04-21 05:40:15 PM

ski9600: The only good Chrysler product lately is the Dodge Sprinter/Mercedes Sprinter.


My Breeze, Ram, Grand Caravan and 200 laugh in your stupid face.
 
2014-04-21 06:51:07 PM

Kurmudgeon: My Breeze, Ram, Grand Caravan and 200 laugh in your stupid face.


My 500, Patriot and Wrangler laugh in your face.  Although those late-'90s Grand Caravans were tanks.
 
2014-04-21 07:41:40 PM

cowsaregoodeating: Nissan did this 2 years ago with the pathfinder. It's not only Americans that are finding out salt deteriorates metal.

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs/jaxrs/download/doc/UCM424989/RC RI T-11V244-5867.pdf

/ Although everyone should know this and act accordingly.




Assembled in Kyushu Japan... Typical Japanese workmanship
 
2014-04-22 12:40:17 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: My 500, Patriot and Wrangler laugh in your face. Although those late-'90s Grand Caravans were tanks.


That would make sense if I had actually said something about your 500, Patriot and Wrangler.
That's ok, you've just continued the senseless Fark bashing of Chrysler that is traditional here.
 
2014-04-22 01:31:01 AM
tl;dr:
"One hundred and nine THOUSAND Mazdas have a rust problem! That is so many Mazdas with this problem! If you have a Mazda, it might be rusting out in a dangerous way! Hope you don't have a Mazda!

(also more than three times as many Fords are affected, but don't worry about that, this is about Mazdas.)"
 
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